Police State....

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Because someone questions the veracity of what the State tells us it doesn't mean they're conspiracists - I, and others, just don't swallow every morsel of what we're told and accept it without question. Messageboards have been rife with the indignant amongst us ranting at people going out for quiet walks. Today I was Llandaff Fields. Apart from the fact that I saw 3 pairs of coppers on foot which is a rarity itself, they stopped an elderly couple parking their car so they could have a walk and told them to leave. This couple probably lived in a cramped house or flat with no garden. Their actions wouldn't have harmed anyone -even themselves, yet what they did was wrong. Why ? Because the Government told us it was..

You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.

[Tuerto]

You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.

Well said.

[CCFCC3PO]

You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.

My folks are on Day 16 of lockdown. The free thinkin' Monkfish and others like him will ensure they stay locked in even longer. Selfish fools.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

You have to ask why they parked their car in order to take a walk when we are being implored to walk or exercise in our immediate vicinity. Using petrol stations constitutes a risk and a car breaking down or being involved in an accident will involve other people's assistance and services. Most people can see the sense in people not driving somewhere in order to exercise when people's lives are ultimately at risk.

I've no idea where they drove from, but for those who have parks and open spaces in their vicinity it's less likely they'll pass/receive an infection onto someone else in a wide open space than stepping to one side on a narrow pavement. Anyway, my point is that whilst I know my views are in the small minority on here, I will always question Authority - wherever it comes from.

[Croesy Blue]

I've no idea where they drove from, but for those who have parks and open spaces in their vicinity it's less likely they'll pass/receive an infection onto someone else in a wide open space than stepping to one side on a narrow pavement. Anyway, my point is that whilst I know my views are in the small minority on here, I will always question Authority - wherever it comes from.

I'm with you we should always be questioning authority but social disctance is being proven to save lives at the moment.

[CCFCC3PO]

I've no idea where they drove from, but for those who have parks and open spaces in their vicinity it's less likely they'll pass/receive an infection onto someone else in a wide open space than stepping to one side on a narrow pavement. Anyway, my point is that whilst I know my views are in the small minority on here, I will always question Authority - wherever it comes from.

Less likely, maybe. But, what happens if one of them touches a surface that someone else has infected? People are infectious while showing no symptoms. They are elderly, at risk, and getting pneumonia could mean (best case scenario) 24 hours of care for 10-14 days. It could also mean that they have infected other people before getting sick themselves. It could also mean that a doctor or nurse gets sick after treating them, meaning even more strain on the hospital that is now caring for them 24 hours a day.

Worst case scenario, they die gasping for air, alone, in pain, confused, scared because the doctor decided to give the last remaining ventilator to a 18 year old woman who contracted the disease on her one visit out a week to a supermarket to get food for her parents and who has a better chance of survival.

Surely you can see the possible chains of events that their need for a drive and a walk could set off? Which part of it don't you get?

[The Lone Gunman]

I've no idea where they drove from....

It doesn’t matter where they drove from. Not a jot.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

It doesn’t matter where they drove from. Not a jot.

Lord Sumption, a former Justice of the Supreme Court, told Radio 4's World At One the actions of Derbyshire Police - which also included uploading drone footage of walkers to social media - had "shamed our policing traditions".

"The tradition of policing in this country is that policemen are citizens in uniform, they are not members of a disciplined hierarchy operating just at the government's command," he said.

"The police have no power to enforce ministers' preferences but only legal regulations which don't go anything like as far as the government's guidance."

[Tuerto]

Lord Sumption, a former Justice of the Supreme Court, told Radio 4's World At One the actions of Derbyshire Police - which also included uploading drone footage of walkers to social media - had "shamed our policing traditions".

"The tradition of policing in this country is that policemen are citizens in uniform, they are not members of a disciplined hierarchy operating just at the government's command," he said.

"The police have no power to enforce ministers' preferences but only legal regulations which don't go anything like as far as the government's guidance."

The question is-Did the police act illegally or under the powers that they've recently been given? I don't know? Sumpiton is a Barrister with Right leaning Libertarian political views, his thoughts i are just his opinion on the situation?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

The question is-Did the police act illegally or under the powers that they've recently been given? I don't know? Sumpiton is a Barrister with Right leaning Libertarian political views, his thoughts i are just his opinion on the situation?

Was the main item on BBC News just now too. The right-leaning Emily Thornbury, also commenting similarly. It's not right,left. liberal, it's remembering the coppers are our servants before all else..

[tell it like it is]

Was the main item on BBC News just now too. The right-leaning Emily Thornbury, also commenting similarly. It's not right,left. liberal, it's remembering the coppers are our servants before all else..

Lady Nugee is right leaning?

[Tuerto]

Was the main item on BBC News just now too. The right-leaning Emily Thornbury, also commenting similarly. It's not right,left. liberal, it's remembering the coppers are our servants before all else..

I think it is important to establish whether or not the police acted within the law, if they did and people disagree with with these new powers then it does become political because it would have been passed in Parliament. I suppose it's how the Police interpret these new powers, which has always been a problem.

[CCFCC3PO]

Was the main item on BBC News just now too. The right-leaning Emily Thornbury, also commenting similarly. It's not right,left. liberal, it's remembering the coppers are our servants before all else..

And, to serve the public, they sometimes have to do things that upset a smaller proportion of the public.

I feel that police telling elderly people to go home serves me. It means that there is less chance of the NHS being overrun, that if someone I know gets ill despite following the rules they have a better chance of getting the equipment they need (although still, not a great chance). It also means we can all get back to work before our employers go bust (maybe you have none of these concerns).

So, the police sending people home in this current crisis that could get much much worse is absolutely serving the public. 1400 plus families have already lost loved ones to this, the NHS has lost 3 medical staff. What are you doing to stop the spread?

[Croesy Blue]

Lord Sumption, a former Justice of the Supreme Court, told Radio 4's World At One the actions of Derbyshire Police - which also included uploading drone footage of walkers to social media - had "shamed our policing traditions".

"The tradition of policing in this country is that policemen are citizens in uniform, they are not members of a disciplined hierarchy operating just at the government's command," he said.

"The police have no power to enforce ministers' preferences but only legal regulations which don't go anything like as far as the government's guidance."

There's no doubt some police are dick heads who go to far, we've always known that.

But anyone driving to go for a walk in the current situation is either clueless or an arse hole.

[The Lone Gunman]

Lord Sumption, a former Justice of the Supreme Court, told Radio 4's World At One, blah blah blah.

Here's the thing - my parents are pretty much like the people you described yesterday. They are in their mid-eighties and look quite frail. They both have underlying health conditions which would put them at considerable risk of death if they contracted this virus. My father still loves to drive and he does so often. He goes out to the local recreational club and plays bridge five nights a week and occasionally goes to watch City games. Meanwhile, my mother is a very sociable person who goes to church twice a week and frequently visits her friends. Both of my parents enjoy walking in the sunshine in the open air. No doubt doing so at the present point in time would lift their spirits.

Nevertheless, in line with the advice of the government, the medical experts and the NHS doctors and nurses, they have stayed at home for almost all of the last three weeks. The few occasions they have left their house have been for brief early morning strolls when they've gone no further than around the block - something they've done about once every three days since they began locking themselves away.

The reason they haven't driven off to a beauty spot and gone for a walk is they are sensible people who understand that doing so would be ridiculous under the current circumstances. They don't want to run the risk of contracting the virus and they don't want to place any unnecessary burdens on the emergency services or the NHS, so they are following all of the guidelines and staying at home.

If everyone in this country followed the guidelines, which for the most part are very easy to understand, then it would give us the best chance of overcoming this crisis as quickly as possible. However, it seems a good percentage of the UK public are still ignorant, arrogant, selfish or stupid enough to believe the guidelines somehow don't apply to them.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question, so I'll rephrase it a little:

Do you believe everyone should be allowed to drive to Llandaff Fields, park up and go for a stroll? Or should that privilege be reserved for old and frail people who think a walk in the sunshine in the open air would lift their spirits?

[life on mars]

Here's the thing - my parents are pretty much like the people you described yesterday. They are in their mid-eighties and look quite frail. They both have underlying health conditions which would put them at considerable risk of death if they contracted this virus. My father still loves to drive and he does so often. He goes out to the local recreational club and plays bridge five nights a week and occasionally goes to watch City games. Meanwhile, my mother is a very sociable person who goes to church twice a week and frequently visits her friends. Both of my parents enjoy walking in the sunshine in the open air. No doubt doing so at the present point in time would lift their spirits.

Nevertheless, in line with the advice of the government, the medical experts and the NHS doctors and nurses, they have stayed at home for almost all of the last three weeks. The few occasions they have left their house have been for brief early morning strolls when they've gone no further than around the block - something they've done about once every three days since they began locking themselves away.

The reason they haven't driven off to a beauty spot and gone for a walk is they are sensible people who understand that doing so would be ridiculous under the current circumstances. They don't want to run the risk of contracting the virus and they don't want to place any unnecessary burdens on the emergency services or the NHS, so they are following all of the guidelines and staying at home.

If everyone in this country followed the guidelines, which for the most part are very easy to understand, then it would give us the best chance of overcoming this crisis as quickly as possible. However, it seems a good percentage of the UK public are still ignorant, arrogant, selfish or stupid enough to believe the guidelines somehow don't apply to them.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question, so I'll rephrase it a little:

Do you believe everyone should be allowed to drive to Llandaff Fields, park up and go for a stroll? Or should that privilege be reserved for old and frail people who think a walk in the sunshine in the open air would lift their spirits?

Your point is well made and the only reason why we have a spread of the virus, deaths and NHS Pressure and supermarket shelf clearing whcih is hurting the elderly and key workers is down to peoples self responsibility and discipline ,we either care or we dont ,we either follow advise , or we don't .

May ones god got with everyone

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Here's the thing - my parents are pretty much like the people you described yesterday. They are in their mid-eighties and look quite frail. They both have underlying health conditions which would put them at considerable risk of death if they contracted this virus. My father still loves to drive and he does so often. He goes out to the local recreational club and plays bridge five nights a week and occasionally goes to watch City games. Meanwhile, my mother is a very sociable person who goes to church twice a week and frequently visits her friends. Both of my parents enjoy walking in the sunshine in the open air. No doubt doing so at the present point in time would lift their spirits.

Nevertheless, in line with the advice of the government, the medical experts and the NHS doctors and nurses, they have stayed at home for almost all of the last three weeks. The few occasions they have left their house have been for brief early morning strolls when they've gone no further than around the block - something they've done about once every three days since they began locking themselves away.

The reason they haven't driven off to a beauty spot and gone for a walk is they are sensible people who understand that doing so would be ridiculous under the current circumstances. They don't want to run the risk of contracting the virus and they don't want to place any unnecessary burdens on the emergency services or the NHS, so they are following all of the guidelines and staying at home.

If everyone in this country followed the guidelines, which for the most part are very easy to understand, then it would give us the best chance of overcoming this crisis as quickly as possible. However, it seems a good percentage of the UK public are still ignorant, arrogant, selfish or stupid enough to believe the guidelines somehow don't apply to them.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question, so I'll rephrase it a little:

Do you believe everyone should be allowed to drive to Llandaff Fields, park up and go for a stroll? Or should that privilege be reserved for old and frail people who think a walk in the sunshine in the open air would lift their spirits?

"guidelines". Nothing wrong with guidelines. People are free to choose whether it's right or wrong. Walking around a supermarket, along the pavement etc, would seem a lot more hazardous to infection than being in your car and then in wide open spaces. If you are 'allowed' to drive a couple of miles to your nearest supermarket then why not half a mile to a large open space.

[lardy]

"guidelines". Nothing wrong with guidelines. People are free to choose whether it's right or wrong. Walking around a supermarket, along the pavement etc, would seem a lot more hazardous to infection than being in your car and then in wide open spaces. If you are 'allowed' to drive a couple of miles to your nearest supermarket then why not half a mile to a large open space.

Because thousands of people were going to the same wide open spaces. Snowdon had its busiest day in living memory. It only happened about ten days ago. Is your memory that short?

[Croesy Blue]

"guidelines". Nothing wrong with guidelines. People are free to choose whether it's right or wrong. Walking around a supermarket, along the pavement etc, would seem a lot more hazardous to infection than being in your car and then in wide open spaces. If you are 'allowed' to drive a couple of miles to your nearest supermarket then why not half a mile to a large open space.

If everyone has that attitude we will be ****ed though.

You are allowed to drive to your supermarket because you need food to survive.

[The Lone Gunman]

"guidelines". Nothing wrong with guidelines. People are free to choose whether it's right or wrong. Walking around a supermarket, along the pavement etc, would seem a lot more hazardous to infection than being in your car and then in wide open spaces. If you are 'allowed' to drive a couple of miles to your nearest supermarket then why not half a mile to a large open space.

So let's get this straight: despite the Coronavirus pandemic, you believe each and every one of us (including your frail old couple) should still be free to choose whether or not we want to drive to Llandaff Fields, park up and go for a walk. Is that right?

[Croesy Blue]

"guidelines". Nothing wrong with guidelines. People are free to choose whether it's right or wrong. Walking around a supermarket, along the pavement etc, would seem a lot more hazardous to infection than being in your car and then in wide open spaces. If you are 'allowed' to drive a couple of miles to your nearest supermarket then why not half a mile to a large open space.

They'll soon stop being "guidelines" if people are too stupid to abide by them.