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    I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.
    But there is a good chance people who aren't showing symptoms have the virus and are contangeous though, you're going to end up with loads more ill and loads more needing to use the ICU in that case.

    Italy and Spain isolated anyone showing symptoms initially and it didn't do any good there, why would it work here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    But there is a good chance people who aren't showing symptoms have the virus and are contangeous though, you're going to end up with loads more ill and loads more needing to use the ICU in that case.

    Italy and Spain isolated anyone showing symptoms initially and it didn't do any good there, why would it work here?
    As I said, lesser of two evils. Trump's been struggling to convey the same message re the cure being worse than the disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    As I said, lesser of two evils. Trump's been struggling to convey the same message re the cure being worse than the disease.
    I'm not sure what proof you have that this solution will cause "global economic collapse" though. We've had recessions before, yes times weren't great but there weren't days as bad as we've seen in Italy and Spain recently.

    Is the cure worse than the disease, have you seen how bad things are in New York at the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I'm not sure what proof you have that this solution will cause "global economic collapse" though. We've had recessions before, yes times weren't great but there weren't days as bad as we've seen in Italy and Spain recently.

    Is the cure worse than the disease, have you seen how bad things are in New York at the moment?
    I haven't any proof. Evidence is plentiful though. Yesterday the US published data of new unemployment claims made there. It was 3.3 million, over four times more than at any time previously which includes the depths of the 1930s Great Depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    I haven't any proof. Evidence is plentiful though. Yesterday the US published data of new unemployment claims made there. It was 3.3 million, over four times more than at any time previously which includes the depths of the 1930s Great Depression.
    There is a huge difference between a recession and halting global economic activity. Keeping everybody at home for 18 months has never been tried before. How are they going to feed everybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    But there is a good chance people who aren't showing symptoms have the virus and are contangeous though, you're going to end up with loads more ill and loads more needing to use the ICU in that case.

    Italy and Spain isolated anyone showing symptoms initially and it didn't do any good there, why would it work here?
    Dr Anthony Fauci has just come out and said the fatality rate of the Corona virus could be 0.1%, which is the same as pandemic flu. Would that be cause to shut down the entire global economic system? Furthermore, this research is ongoing, so it's not going to be a random decision that will get everybody back to work. The alternative option of doing nothing is fraught with danger, unless you are ok with the idea of the world descending into a Mad Max scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Dr Anthony Fauci has just come out and said the fatality rate of the Corona virus could be 0.1%, which is the same as pandemic flu. Would that be cause to shut down the entire global economic system? Furthermore, this research is ongoing, so it's not going to be a random decision that will get everybody back to work. The alternative option of doing nothing is fraught with danger, unless you are ok with the idea of the world descending into a Mad Max scenario.
    Foxy women in skimpy leather outfits? Can handle that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Dr Anthony Fauci has just come out and said the fatality rate of the Corona virus could be 0.1%, which is the same as pandemic flu. Would that be cause to shut down the entire global economic system? Furthermore, this research is ongoing, so it's not going to be a random decision that will get everybody back to work. The alternative option of doing nothing is fraught with danger, unless you are ok with the idea of the world descending into a Mad Max scenario.
    The research pamphlet by Fauci you posted was dated 28th February 2020. Seems he has just come out in the way that Philip Schofield has just come out!

    The bit that you don't seem to or want to understand from the research article was that the 0.1% will not reached naturally, rather by all the draconian measures currently in place across the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    The research pamphlet by Fauci you posted was dated 28th February 2020.
    That would explain Trump's carefully considered view about opening up the US for business again. What a position to be in, either he will go down in history as being one of the greatest presidents ever for saving America, or he will be remembered as the mad fool who destroyed America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    That would explain Trump's carefully considered view about opening up the US for business again. What a position to be in, either he will go down in history as being one of the greatest presidents ever for saving America, or he will be remembered as the mad fool who destroyed America.
    Today's UK deaths figure makes that tweet you post looked way overoptimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Today's UK deaths figure makes that tweet you post looked way overoptimistic.
    We are depending on those people to be right, so let's just hope that they are

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    That would explain Trump's carefully considered view about opening up the US for business again. What a position to be in, either he will go down in history as being one of the greatest presidents ever for saving America, or he will be remembered as the mad fool who destroyed America.
    Another one of your stupid either/ors. My money is firmly in the latter spectrum.

    What do you think or are you too busy self-isolating on a fence to have anything firmer than a nudge nudge wink wink as usual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Another one of your stupid either/ors. My money is firmly in the latter spectrum.

    What do you think or are you too busy self-isolating on a fence to have anything firmer than a nudge nudge wink wink as usual?
    It's a good thing that he has based his thoughts on the latest available evidence. Regarding how he comes out of it, surely it's in the lap of the gods, isn't it? It's a bold move, so naturally the consequences will be heightened either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Dr Anthony Fauci has just come out and said the fatality rate of the Corona virus could be 0.1%, which is the same as pandemic flu. Would that be cause to shut down the entire global economic system? Furthermore, this research is ongoing, so it's not going to be a random decision that will get everybody back to work. The alternative option of doing nothing is fraught with danger, unless you are ok with the idea of the world descending into a Mad Max scenario.
    Looks like Trump has tacked back to health being a more immediate priority than wealth so I guess it's time for you to adapt your rhetoric to stay in step.

    Last night, when he wasn't blaming New York health workers for the wholesale theft of tens of thousands of protective equipment, Trump gave two figures.

    He said that the deaths of 100k Americans due to this virus would be a "good result" and that an additional 2.2 million Americans would have died if the country did not take the measures that it has. You (well most people) may take what Trump utters with a pinch of salt but it does at least spell out the health/wealth dilemma in terms where you might grasp when people are talking about its impact pre or post intervention and give all this flu comparisons the break it deserves!

    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...through-end-of

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    Re: Coronavirus update

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    I'd go for isolating the already ill - whether elderly or not - route rather than the path being taken. To me it's the lesser of two evils. I'm amongst a small minority though.
    You do realise this is being spread by people who have no symptoms at all.

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