Right then...managerial options

[cardiff55]

Our transfer policy has to be the worst in the top two divisions, even worse than Fulham. I think NW has spent £57m on transfer fees (approx) since he's been here and we have no value in our team especially. He did well with free transfers and out of contract players like Bamba, Hoilett, NML and Etheridge were excellent, when he actually spends money it is awful. Paterson has been decent though.

Tomlin (£1.6m), Ward (£1.6m), Bogle (£750k), Paterson (£425k), Madine (£6m), Reid (£10m), Cunningham (£4m), Smithies (£3.5m), Bacuna (£3m), Murphy (£11m),Flint (£6m), Whyte (£2m), Pacl (£750k), Glatzel (£5.5m), Vaulks (£2.1m), Vassell (£2m). Actually that's about £60m if the Pack fee is right.

Not many of those have been exceptional or even good for us, about 5 of them can't get a game, and Flint and Murphy are OK but are they worth the fee? We don't seem to pick up players any more then be able to profit from them , either by having good performances on the pitch or selling one (Zohore being one exception). Plus the gambles last season on loans of Camarasa, Arter and Niasse, only one of whom played well.

Unfortunately our 'friends' down West have spent shedfulls too but sold a load of players for big fees to keep them going.

How much would we get back for ours listed above. Some will be released at the end of the season (Bogle, Ward, Tomlin). Two of those were deemed not good enough not long after we signed them and sent out on loans, now we want them as first choices. It shows how far backwards we have gone, so to be where we are and 6 points of the top is no bad.

We need someone in who can do what Dave Jones did, sign - in his words 'waifs and strays' and get them to perform and then sell them on for big fees, Loovens, Johnson, Chopra etc.

[J R Hartley]

Our transfer policy has to be the worst in the top two divisions, even worse than Fulham. I think NW has spent £57m on transfer fees (approx) since he's been here and we have no value in our team especially. He did well with free transfers and out of contract players like Bamba, Hoilett, NML and Etheridge were excellent, when he actually spends money it is awful. Paterson has been decent though.

Tomlin (£1.6m), Ward (£1.6m), Bogle (£750k), Paterson (£425k), Madine (£6m), Reid (£10m), Cunningham (£4m), Smithies (£3.5m), Bacuna (£3m), Murphy (£11m),Flint (£6m), Whyte (£2m), Pacl (£750k), Glatzel (£5.5m), Vaulks (£2.1m), Vassell (£2m). Actually that's about £60m if the Pack fee is right.

Not many of those have been exceptional or even good for us, about 5 of them can't get a game, and Flint and Murphy are OK but are they worth the fee? We don't seem to pick up players any more then be able to profit from them , either by having good performances on the pitch or selling one (Zohore being one exception). Plus the gambles last season on loans of Camarasa, Arter and Niasse, only one of whom played well.

Unfortunately our 'friends' down West have spent shedfulls too but sold a load of players for big fees to keep them going.

How much would we get back for ours listed above. Some will be released at the end of the season (Bogle, Ward, Tomlin). Two of those were deemed not good enough not long after we signed them and sent out on loans, now we want them as first choices. It shows how far backwards we have gone, so to be where we are and 6 points of the top is no bad.

We need someone in who can do what Dave Jones did, sign - in his words 'waifs and strays' and get them to perform and then sell them on for big fees, Loovens, Johnson, Chopra etc.

We received seven figures in loan fee and bonuses for Madine. Allegedly.

[J R Hartley]

Our transfer policy has to be the worst in the top two divisions, even worse than Fulham. I think NW has spent £57m on transfer fees (approx) since he's been here and we have no value in our team especially. He did well with free transfers and out of contract players like Bamba, Hoilett, NML and Etheridge were excellent, when he actually spends money it is awful. Paterson has been decent though.

Tomlin (£1.6m), Ward (£1.6m), Bogle (£750k), Paterson (£425k), Madine (£6m), Reid (£10m), Cunningham (£4m), Smithies (£3.5m), Bacuna (£3m), Murphy (£11m),Flint (£6m), Whyte (£2m), Pacl (£750k), Glatzel (£5.5m), Vaulks (£2.1m), Vassell (£2m). Actually that's about £60m if the Pack fee is right.

Not many of those have been exceptional or even good for us, about 5 of them can't get a game, and Flint and Murphy are OK but are they worth the fee? We don't seem to pick up players any more then be able to profit from them , either by having good performances on the pitch or selling one (Zohore being one exception). Plus the gambles last season on loans of Camarasa, Arter and Niasse, only one of whom played well.

Unfortunately our 'friends' down West have spent shedfulls too but sold a load of players for big fees to keep them going.

How much would we get back for ours listed above. Some will be released at the end of the season (Bogle, Ward, Tomlin). Two of those were deemed not good enough not long after we signed them and sent out on loans, now we want them as first choices. It shows how far backwards we have gone, so to be where we are and 6 points of the top is no bad.

We need someone in who can do what Dave Jones did, sign - in his words 'waifs and strays' and get them to perform and then sell them on for big fees, Loovens, Johnson, Chopra etc.

The number of players discarded before they have hardly kicked a ball in anger is a disgrace. Not all signings are going to be a success but weve spent millions on players who have been deemed surplus to requirements before the ink has barely dried on them signing the contract. Will Vaulks being the latest player to receive such poor treatment.

[cardiff55]

The number of players discarded before they have hardly kicked a ball in anger is a disgrace. Not all signings are going to be a success but weve spent millions on players who have been deemed surplus to requirements before the ink has barely dried on them signing the contract. Will Vaulks being the latest player to receive such poor treatment.

Exactly. I know managers have their favourites but I have never seen a City manager have so many non-favourites.

[Enoch Mort]

Exactly. I know managers have their favourites but I have never seen a City manager have so many non-favourites.

Does anyone in "authority" at the club question any of his decisions ? Why the high rate of expensive mistakes in the transfer market ? Why are expensive signings only getting occasional games in the U23s ? Why do we have to offload a very expensive signing on loan ? Who are these Mackay brothers ? amongst other questions......

The Trust recently published details on who some of the mysterious names that are, supposedly, Board Members and the the only ones who appeared to have any credibility were VT, KC and MD who are on the transfer committee plus Steve Borley. Of all those names it is VT is the one with all the power and if an experienced operator like NW gets his ear to the exclusion of everyone else then he can get leeway to do as he sees fit with the money provided. So far, as has been stated, a lot of money appears to have been wasted. Where are the checks and balances ? As NW was not able to keep us in the Premier League for more than one season we only get 2 years parachute payments not 3. it seems as if the first tranche of year 1 parachute payments has not been spent wisely. Do we give him carte blanche in January in the final months of his contract ? That prospect worries me.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Our transfer policy has to be the worst in the top two divisions, even worse than Fulham. I think NW has spent £57m on transfer fees (approx) since he's been here and we have no value in our team especially. He did well with free transfers and out of contract players like Bamba, Hoilett, NML and Etheridge were excellent, when he actually spends money it is awful. Paterson has been decent though.

Tomlin (£1.6m), Ward (£1.6m), Bogle (£750k), Paterson (£425k), Madine (£6m), Reid (£10m), Cunningham (£4m), Smithies (£3.5m), Bacuna (£3m), Murphy (£11m),Flint (£6m), Whyte (£2m), Pacl (£750k), Glatzel (£5.5m), Vaulks (£2.1m), Vassell (£2m). Actually that's about £60m if the Pack fee is right.

Not many of those have been exceptional or even good for us, about 5 of them can't get a game, and Flint and Murphy are OK but are they worth the fee? We don't seem to pick up players any more then be able to profit from them , either by having good performances on the pitch or selling one (Zohore being one exception). Plus the gambles last season on loans of Camarasa, Arter and Niasse, only one of whom played well.

Unfortunately our 'friends' down West have spent shedfulls too but sold a load of players for big fees to keep them going.

How much would we get back for ours listed above. Some will be released at the end of the season (Bogle, Ward, Tomlin). Two of those were deemed not good enough not long after we signed them and sent out on loans, now we want them as first choices. It shows how far backwards we have gone, so to be where we are and 6 points of the top is no bad.

We need someone in who can do what Dave Jones did, sign - in his words 'waifs and strays' and get them to perform and then sell them on for big fees, Loovens, Johnson, Chopra etc.

Do we really want to go back to those days, whereby as soon as we signed someone more than useful the vultures were circling and we were forced to sell because we didnt have a pot to piss in?

I'd certainly like us to be signing the likes of the forementioned players, rather than the crocks & stiffs that Warnock seems to favour, but I would like us to build upon such players and not sell all the time, as we have done in the past.

[cardiff55]

Do we really want to go back to those days, whereby as soon as we signed someone more than useful the vultures were circling and we were forced to sell because we didnt have a pot to piss in?

I'd certainly like us to be signing the likes of the forementioned players, rather than the crocks & stiffs that Warnock seems to favour, but I would like us to build upon such players and not sell all the time, as we have done in the past.

No I didn't mean that, but for the club's finances it's clearly better to pay a decent fee and when we sell on make a profit or at least break even. Under Warnock we have just spent money madly and would struggle to get half of it back. So many of his signings have proved to be not good enough. like I said fans are now clamouring for the inclusion of Ward, Bogle, Tomlin and Bamba, and even accepting that Bacuna has a regular place in midfield. two seasons ago that would have been unthought of, except for Bamba of course.

Although to be fair Warnock doesn't seem very tolerant of players if they don't perform- Tomlin and Bogle quickly sent out on loan within months of signing for us. Now glazed has finally been dropped and Ward gets the noid , with Bogle to come on late in the game. It's just we have too many players underperforming at the moment. Only a few have been consistent this season, Etheridge, Smithies, Ralls and Peltier (consistently good that is!).

But we got out money back and maybe made a small profit on Reid when he eventually goes to Fulham. I suppose the fees on Ward, Bogle and Tomlin are not that big and will be written off when they go. But Glatzell and Madine were £11.5m and I doubt we'd get much back for either of them. I wouldn't be surprised if Glaztel returns to Germany iN January, he doesn't look as though he is enjoying himself.