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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    Try reading about it and you may understand it if you are clever enough.
    I have read about it, and the narrative that is being put forward doesn't appear to be backed up by what is actually happening.

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I have read about it, and the narrative that is being put forward doesn't appear to be backed up by what is actually happening.
    Read these then

    http://www.europeanfinancialreview.com/?p=6074

    https://www.mondialisation.ca/the-ri...ocracy/5532097

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ceta-eu-canada

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Yes I have read articles like this, and I certainly agree that the rising scale and power of these mega corporations needs to be countered.
    The EU is one of the only bodies that is willing to stand up to them though (China aside but let's not go down that road) in terms of workers rights, taxation, data protection, market manipulation and a raft of other areas name any country who has done more to tackle the excesses of multinationals?

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Yes I have read articles like this, and I certainly agree that the rising scale and power of these mega corporations needs to be countered.
    The EU is one of the only bodies that is willing to stand up to them though (China aside but let's not go down that road) in terms of workers rights, taxation, data protection, market manipulation and a raft of other areas name any country who has done more to tackle the excesses of multinationals?
    Well last time I looked youth unemployment was around 25% in most southern EU countries, the minimum wage in most countries is barely enough to live on, the EU allows offshoring of profits and revenues to avoid corporation tax and the ex head of the EU lobbies for Goldman Sachs while he is in the job.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/gold...-lobbying.html

    The so-called workers benefits, other than the EU time directive, sick pay and holiday pay, add up to very little. Remember when people had a job for life? With pension, holiday and sick pay? It is because the EU has enabled huge corporations to shift work to countries with lower wages and promote the gig economy that rights have been eroded.

    And I can name a country that has done more than the EU to protect workers from corporations. Iceland.

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    Well last time I looked youth unemployment was around 25% in most southern EU countries, the minimum wage in most countries is barely enough to live on, the EU allows offshoring of profits and revenues to avoid corporation tax and the ex head of the EU lobbies for Goldman Sachs while he is in the job.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/gold...-lobbying.html

    The so-called workers benefits, other than the EU time directive, sick pay and holiday pay, add up to very little. Remember when people had a job for life? With pension, holiday and sick pay? It is because the EU has enabled huge corporations to shift work to countries with lower wages and promote the gig economy that rights have been eroded.

    And I can name a country that has done more than the EU to protect workers from corporations. Iceland.
    Like all skilled illusionists, the EU are good at making you think they are doing something by saying one thing and doing another.

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by severncity View Post
    Well last time I looked youth unemployment was around 25% in most southern EU countries, the minimum wage in most countries is barely enough to live on, the EU allows offshoring of profits and revenues to avoid corporation tax and the ex head of the EU lobbies for Goldman Sachs while he is in the job.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/gold...-lobbying.html

    The so-called workers benefits, other than the EU time directive, sick pay and holiday pay, add up to very little. Remember when people had a job for life? With pension, holiday and sick pay? It is because the EU has enabled huge corporations to shift work to countries with lower wages and promote the gig economy that rights have been eroded.

    And I can name a country that has done more than the EU to protect workers from corporations. Iceland.
    The EU identified that Apple weren't paying enough tax in Ireland and made them repay it, something which wasn't being pursued by the Irish government itself. On numerous times it has attempted to bring in laws clamping down on multinationals ability to export profits to low tax countries, but has been vetoed at every turn by, yes you guessed it, the UK.
    In the meantime the UK has slashed corporation tax and actually purposefully made it easier to export profits in an attempt to be a patsy to the multinationals. After brexit this is only going to get worse.

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    The EU identified that Apple weren't paying enough tax in Ireland and made them repay it, something which wasn't being pursued by the Irish government itself. On numerous times it has attempted to bring in laws clamping down on multinationals ability to export profits to low tax countries, but has been vetoed at every turn by, yes you guessed it, the UK.
    In the meantime the UK has slashed corporation tax and actually purposefully made it easier to export profits in an attempt to be a patsy to the multinationals. After brexit this is only going to get worse.
    Only if we allow it! Don't throw away your pussy hat, it will come in handy later, and I will be marching alongside you (minus the pussy hat)

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    Re: Genuine question for leavers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Only if we allow it! Don't throw away your pussy hat, it will come in handy later, and I will be marching alongside you (minus the pussy hat)
    No Matter how much an Independent Britain is interested in tackling the power of multinationals, our ability to do so is drastically reduced Vs what it would be within the EU.
    Also the only people predicting any kind of a rosy future after brexit are doing so on the assumption that we will be pandering to multinationals much more than we already do.

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