"The Conservative and Unionist Party" - barking mad.
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"The Conservative and Unionist Party" - barking mad.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...otland-ireland
That does demonstrate how conflicted they are over Europe ,why doesn't Labour ,bugger this lets take the opposite view , it cant ,can it as its held to ransom by its leader and worried that they would lose 26 odd seats to Brexit????????Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You really think that the main lesson to be learned from that poll is that the Labour leader, and a small number of loyalists, is still unwilling to commit to a definitive position on Brexit?
No its shows how fragmented they are , they need to take a single policy position of leave or stay , and get of the fence . The Tories had the same divide , that resulted in a removal of its leader as they felt it wasn't in tune with the majority of Tory membership , ( surely the sudden rise of the Brexit party can't be ignored ) The will have a string leave policy if as it seems Boris gets in ??
No I dont , I just find their overall position on this issue over the last two years bewildering to say the least , a better strategy may have them in or close to power by now, as its widely recognized this government is dreadful , and should be slaughtered in the polls by now ?
The Labour Party straddles the Leave/Remain divide more than any other party in the UK parliament. The Tories are way over on the Leave side of the argument and all the others bar Labour are clearly for one side or the other - making life very simple.
It is clear that a significant minority of Labour MPs and members want to see Brexit delivered (even if they voted Remain in 2016) but when it comes to Labour voters, and especially Labour voters in Midlands or northern Labour-Tory marginals the size of the Brexit support becomes a major problem for the party.
As a Remain voter I hoped to see Labour adopt a more aggressive 2nd referendum and Remain position earlier, but I can fully understand the decision to adopt 'constructive ambiguity', let the Tories rip themselves apart, argue for a general election and concentrate on all the non-Brexit issues which have been ignored for over 3 years.
But I think the road has now run out. After the Euro and local elections it is not enough for Labour to be just less damaged than the Tories - they have to somehow drop the ambiguity and argue hard as a minimum for a new vote on Brexit, not as something in the middle distance, but something that has to happen in a defined timescale. Corbyn is edging closer to that but hasn't taken the final step (unlike MacDonald, Abbott, and media supporters like Owen Jones and Paul Mason). Labour will be hurt by that, but they will be hurt (by Brexit, LibDems, nationalists and Greens) if they don't.
The one thing that sticks in my craw though is the cynical posturing of Tom Watson and his mates. Like many others in the PLP he is more concerned with the parliamentary Labour civil war and scoring points off Corbyn, than with steering the party to a new policy position. It is the principled Remainers like Clive Lewis that I take notice of (as well as some of the minority of 'deliver Brexit' MPs like Lisa Tandy who have also argued their case responsibly and effectively).
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