Giggs on the brink of Wales appointment

[ccfc_is_my_life]

I dont think players who win 9 leagues in 11 years, and 13 in 20 do so by being in a "comfort zone".

Theres a difference between someone having a winning metality and actually winning things, and someone who gives 100% and is desperate to win but never wins anything. .

Comparing Ryan Giggs and Craig Bellamys winning mentality is like comparing Phil Taylor to Mervyn King.

Bellamy was a football nomad because he had no respect for his peers and chased the pound note. He was either bombed out because the hassle of managing him outweighed what he produced on the pitch, or he forced a move for money.

He couldnt even respect the great Sir Bobby Robson and even took a golf club to a team mates legs ffs.

If Giggs started at Norwich, he'd be chasing the money too. Giggs was at the biggest club in Europe during his time after all.

[J R Hartley]

If Giggs started at Norwich, he'd be chasing the money too. Giggs was at the biggest club in Europe during his time after all.

If youre auntie had bollocks she would be your uncle.

Giggs was winning things at Man U and Bellamy never played for anyone decent for a reason.

Giggs was at Man U because he was a winner from a young age, long before he broke into the first team.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

If youre auntie had bollocks she would be your uncle.

Giggs was winning things at Man U and Bellamy never played for anyone decent for a reason.

Giggs was at Man U because he was a winner from a young age, long before he broke into the first team.

Youth level? Look how many came from that group.
Senior level? Man Yoo best club in Europe for most of his career there.
International level? Performances nowhere near as good as at Man Yoo - because he couldn't elevate players.

Bellamy got on at people due to wanting perfection. Giggs motivating people? Hmm.

[J R Hartley]

Youth level? Look how many came from that group.
Senior level? Man Yoo best club in Europe for most of his career there.
International level? Performances nowhere near as good as at Man Yoo - because he couldn't elevate players.

Bellamy got on at people due to wanting perfection. Giggs motivating people? Hmm.

And of those that come through Giggs broke in to the team first, and stayed longer than anyonelse.

He cant be blamed for some of the awful rubbish he had to play with. Bellamy didnt exactly inspire Wales to do well as a player either.

[qccfc]

I'm absolutely devastated that the choice is Giggs, i can only assume that the panel was dazzled by his status and glittering playing career.

I never really like Giggs in his Wales playing days, as a fan who was at every game to see him not turn up for Wales, but then play for Manchester United on the weekend was a constant betrayal. The decision sent the message that the games were not important and it spread through the squad, and then to the fan base, why should we pay our money when the star attraction cannot be bothered.

Giggs starts this job with a lot less credit with the fans than some former players will get. I also get the impression that Giggs wasnt a popular member of the squad that he played with for Wales. Gabbidon suggests on FOF, that he didn't particularly intergrate himself with the other players.

That being said you would imagine that he could inspire the next generation coming through, and the younger fan will have less of the bad memories associated with him than the middle aged, who carry the grudge. You would hope he is a capable manager because that reputation will not last long if things start badly.

[blue matt]

I never really like Giggs in his Wales playing days, as a fan who was at every game to see him not turn up for Wales, but then play for Manchester United on the weekend was a constant betrayal. The decision sent the message that the games were not important and it spread through the squad, and then to the fan base, why should we pay our money when the star attraction cannot be bothered.

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This, I took 3 / 4 days off work ( sometimes without pay ) to go and watch Wales around Europe

Friendlies or Games that were meaningless ( due to failed qualifications ) It didnt matter to me, i was going to support my Country, Cheer on the team.

When you learnt that Giggs had pulled out of the squad ( pre internet days ) despite playing for Man Utd on Saturday , it became a bit of a joke, almost expected, how can a player think so little of his country that he couldnt be arsed to play ( i know i have mentioned i represented Wales in Judo ) you have no greater honour to represent your country in sport, it should be the pinnacle, it just wasnt for him, so how can he expect respect from todays players ? ? ? Saying " Oh I won this and that for man utd " will not cut it

[J R Hartley]

This, I took 3 / 4 days off work ( sometimes without pay ) to go and watch Wales around Europe

Friendlies or Games that were meaningless ( due to failed qualifications ) It didnt matter to me, i was going to support my Country, Cheer on the team.

When you learnt that Giggs had pulled out of the squad ( pre internet days ) despite playing for Man Utd on Saturday , it became a bit of a joke, almost expected, how can a player think so little of his country that he couldnt be arsed to play ( i know i have mentioned i represented Wales in Judo ) you have no greater honour to represent your country in sport, it should be the pinnacle, it just wasnt for him, so how can he expect respect from todays players ? ? ? Saying " Oh I won this and that for man utd " will not cut it

You are not seriously comparing amateur judo to being a proffesional footballer at the very top level!?!?!

[blue matt]

You are not seriously comparing amateur judo to being a proffesional footballer at the very top level!?!?!

indeed I am

Where the ultimate honour is to represent your county, it doesnt mind if its amateur judo or proffesional footballer at the very top level

That Welsh Logo / dragon on your chest ( or on your hip in judo's case ) should be a honour

[Nick]

indeed I am

Where the ultimate honour is to represent your county, it doesnt mind if its amateur judo or proffesional footballer at the very top level

That Welsh Logo / dragon on your chest ( or on your hip in judo's case ) should be a honour

Can't disagree with that at all.

A great honour to represent your country in what ever your chosen sport is.

And don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[the other bob wilson]

If youre auntie had bollocks she would be your uncle.

Giggs was winning things at Man U and Bellamy never played for anyone decent for a reason.

Surely it doesn't matter who the better or more successful player was?

This piece

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...spite-14154068

gives the definite impression that Bellamy came over really well at his interview and that the decision to appoint Giggs was based on his achievements as a player. I appreciate that it is hard for any young managerial wannabe to build a reputation for themselves when they have had very little chance to do so (I disregard those four matches Giggs took charge of in 13/14 at Man United because they prove nothing either way), but the members of the Class of 92 and the players Ferguson signed around that time (e.g. Paul Ince) have not enjoyed much managerial success between them when they have had a go at the job, so all that playing success did little to make them managerial successes. Off the top of my head, I can think of Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce who have made decent managerial careers from Man United sides managed by Alex Ferguson, but they were of an older generation to Giggs - he might turn out to be a good manager of Wales, but I must say that when I hear Bellamy and Giggs talk about the game, I know which one I would be more inclined to choose if I were hiring a manager.

[J R Hartley]

Surely it doesn't matter who the better or more successful player was?

This piece

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...spite-14154068

gives the definite impression that Bellamy came over really well at his interview and that the decision to appoint Giggs was based on his achievements as a player. I appreciate that it is hard for any young managerial wannabe to build a reputation for themselves when they have had very little chance to do so (I disregard those four matches Giggs took charge of in 13/14 at Man United because they prove nothing either way), but the members of the Class of 92 and the players Ferguson signed around that time (e.g. Paul Ince) have not enjoyed much managerial success between them when they have had a go at the job, so all that playing success did little to make them managerial successes. Off the top of my head, I can think of Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce who have made decent managerial careers from Man United sides managed by Alex Ferguson, but they were of an older generation to Giggs - he might turn out to be a good manager of Wales, but I must say that when I hear Bellamy and Giggs talk about the game, I know which one I would be more inclined to choose if I were hiring a manager.

It does matter when some people are arguing that Bellars has more of a winning mentality than Giggs and that Giggs only won what he did because he was surrounded by better players than Bellamy, completely ignoring the fact Giggs was a far, far better player than Bellamy.

I think too much credance is being given to this WOL story by people who usually pour scorn on WOL stories. Just because Bellamy interviewed well it doesnt mean Giggs interviewed badly. Obviously not as he got the job?!?! It could be the FAWs way of praising Bellamy so not to burn bridges with him as no doubt he can be of use to Welsh football if not now, then in the future.

I wouldnt have had either of them as manager. I would rather Roberts out of those interviewed and I dont know why we are restricting ourselves to a Welsh manager. Rob Phillips suggested Michael Laudrup and I think that is a good shout.

As has already been suggested I would rather Bellamy carry on with our youngsters with the view to taking over from Warnock. Much the same as Gerrard is doing at Liverpool.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

It does matter when some people are arguing that Bellars has more of a winning mentality than Giggs and that Giggs only won what he did because he was surrounded by better players than Bellamy, completely ignoring the fact Giggs was a far, far better player than Bellamy.

I think too much credance is being given to this WOL story by people who usually pour scorn on WOL stories. Just because Bellamy interviewed well it doesnt mean Giggs interviewed badly. Obviously not as he got the job?!?! It could be the FAWs way of praising Bellamy so not to burn bridges with him as no doubt he can be of use to Welsh football if not now, then in the future.

I wouldnt have had either of them as manager. I would rather Roberts out of those interviewed and I dont know why we are restricting ourselves to a Welsh manager. Rob Phillips suggested Michael Laudrup and I think that is a good shout.

As has already been suggested I would rather Bellamy carry on with our youngsters with the view to taking over from Warnock. Much the same as Gerrard is doing at Liverpool.

Laudrup would have been a great choice - fair play to Rob Phillips on that one. There is no doubt Giggs has a winning mentality, I just find him a cold person who has a high level of self-interest. I'll be interested to hear what he says in the press conference, will he talk about the youth teams for example, and whether he is happy with the prospects coming through (apart from the obvious ones like Woodburn)? How about his backroom staff? Even little things like - does he talk about Wales in an abstract way rather than a "We/Us" language.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Surely it doesn't matter who the better or more successful player was?

This piece

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...spite-14154068

gives the definite impression that Bellamy came over really well at his interview and that the decision to appoint Giggs was based on his achievements as a player. I appreciate that it is hard for any young managerial wannabe to build a reputation for themselves when they have had very little chance to do so (I disregard those four matches Giggs took charge of in 13/14 at Man United because they prove nothing either way), but the members of the Class of 92 and the players Ferguson signed around that time (e.g. Paul Ince) have not enjoyed much managerial success between them when they have had a go at the job, so all that playing success did little to make them managerial successes. Off the top of my head, I can think of Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce who have made decent managerial careers from Man United sides managed by Alex Ferguson, but they were of an older generation to Giggs - he might turn out to be a good manager of Wales, but I must say that when I hear Bellamy and Giggs talk about the game, I know which one I would be more inclined to choose if I were hiring a manager.

Fergie players who became decent managers - I'd like to add Gordon Strachan to the list. Mark Robins is also doing a decent enough job in the lower leagues.

[the other bob wilson]

Fergie players who became decent managers - I'd like to add Gordon Strachan to the list. Mark Robins is also doing a decent enough job in the lower leagues.

Fair point about Strachan and Robins has been a good manager at a certain level, but, again, they are from earlier Man United teams - the team which had the "winning mentality" came along later, but I can't think of one proven manager that the more successful team of the nineties produced.