Club statement on bullying allegations

[Wales-Bales]

I was pushed very hard as a teenager by coaches with international playing experience. Some people couldn't handle it, but I came out of it a stronger person, and I was even selected to be the team captain. I always gave 100% and I was a team player, so I never really had any negative experiences. I am naturally very focussed and mentally strong with an abundance of controlled aggression, so football was the perfect sport for me. I understand that times change and things are a little different now, but you still need certain attributes to succeed in team sports, and in my era we just learnt about these realities at a younger age.

[Father Dougal]

I was pushed very hard as a teenager by coaches with international playing experience. Some people couldn't handle it, but I came out of it a stronger person, and I was even selected to be the team captain. I always gave 100% and I was a team player, so I never really had any negative experiences. I am naturally very focussed and mentally strong with an abundance of controlled aggression, so football was the perfect sport for me. I understand that times change and things are a little different now, but you still need certain attributes to succeed in team sports, and in my era we just learnt about these realities at a younger age.

Well done you.

Did you actually read the statement from the club though or was this always going to be your response?

[Wales-Bales]

Well done you.

Did you actually read the statement from the club though or was this always going to be your response?

Yes I read it. I think the clubs will now review the goals of their academy systems after this inquiry. The original intention was to develop young players with the right skills and mental strength to make it as professional football players. This involved pushing people beyond their comfort zones in search of their weaknesses. As discussed elsewhere, only a few players have the right attributes to progress into professional sport, so the question now is how will they go about separating the few who have the potential to make the grade? If you run the academy like an after-school club where nobody is ever scolded, and voices never raised, the clubs will never know how the players are likely to react in a high-pressure professional environment. I have no idea what the solution is, but a precident has been set and the model that worked for over a hundred years has now been declared unacceptable.

[The Lone Gunman]

Yes I read it. I think the clubs will now review the goals of their academy systems after this inquiry. The original intention was to develop young players with the right skills and mental strength to make it as professional football players. This involved pushing people beyond their comfort zones in search of their weaknesses. As discussed elsewhere, only a few players have the right attributes to progress into professional sport, so the question now is how will they go about separating the few who have the potential to make the grade? If you run the academy like an after-school club where nobody is ever scolded, and voices never raised, the clubs will never know how the players are likely to react in a high-pressure professional environment. I have no idea what the solution is, but a precident has been set and the model that worked for over a hundred years has now been declared unacceptable.

Considering that club's report is confidential, you literally have no idea what the statement is referring to when it talks of bullying and abuse by current and former employees, significant concerns relating to an unacceptable coaching environment and a lack of effective safeguarding processes. Not a clue. Nevertheless, you talk about a precedent being set, clubs (plural) reviewing the aims of their academies following this investigation and a model that worked for over a hundred years being declared unacceptable.

You're just a narcissistic idiot. It's a pity that, once again, you've decided to try to make this thread about you, because the club's frank statement is not only a damning indictment of its own youth system but it clearly highlights the deficiencies of an individual some have believed would make a good manager.

[Wales-Bales]

Considering that club's report is confidential, you literally have no idea what the statement is referring to when it talks of bullying and abuse by current and former employees, significant concerns relating to an unacceptable coaching environment and a lack of effective safeguarding processes. Not a clue. Nevertheless, you talk about a precedent being set, clubs (plural) reviewing the aims of their academies following this investigation and a model that worked for over a hundred years being declared unacceptable.

You're just a narcissistic idiot. It's a pity that, once again, you've decided to try to make this thread about you, because the club's frank statement is not only a damning indictment of its own youth system but it clearly highlights the deficiencies of an individual some have believed would make a good manager.

I have real world experiences of being coached by ex-pros from the age of 13, and they were hard bastards and very demanding. They could destroy you in a second, but it was all part of the development process of being a team player. Like I said some people couldn't handle it, but it had no adverse effect on me, and I even thrived in such an environment. Obviously times have changed with our current snowflake culture, and people can no longer accept a bollocking for making a mistake, or failing to make an effort. The question still remains about how these young players are going to transition into the harsh world of professional football, or is football going to adapt and become less aggressive and more polite? Tackling is already on the way out, so are we heading towards a contactless sport where taking part is more important than winning?

Regarding calling people narcissistic idiots, I would have put you and the ball into Row back in the day if we had ever met on a football pitch

[Wales-Bales]

Regarding calling people narcissistic idiots, I would have put you and the ball into Row back in the day if we had ever met on a football pitch

Regarding calling people narcissistic idiots, I would have put you and the ball into Row Z back in the day, if we had ever had the pleasure of meeting on a football pitch

[Maurice Swan]

Yes...I agree...if you are not thick-skinned enough to cope with it then the game is not for you...s

[ken smith]

I have real world experiences of being coached by ex-pros from the age of 13, and they were hard bastards and very demanding. They could destroy you in a second, but it was all part of the development process of being a team player. Like I said some people couldn't handle it, but it had no adverse effect on me, and I even thrived in such an environment. Obviously times have changed with our current snowflake culture, and people can no longer accept a bollocking for making a mistake, or failing to make an effort. The question still remains about how these young players are going to transition into the harsh world of professional football, or is football going to adapt and become less aggressive and more polite? Tackling is already on the way out, so are we heading towards a contactless sport where taking part is more important than winning?

Regarding calling people narcissistic idiots, I would have put you and the ball into Row back in the day if we had ever met on a football pitch

I think all them Crewe youth players would disagree with you.

[Wales-Bales]

I think all them Crewe youth players would disagree with you.

Wherever you find a concentration of children there is always a danger that the pedos are not very far away. The issue that you highlight could still be a problem in a well run academy, as their focus is on gaining the trust of vulnerable young people. The type of bevaviour that I am talking about is a different thing altogether.

[Toadstool]

Considering that club's report is confidential...... it clearly highlights the deficiencies of an individual some have believed would make a good manager.

How can you know it highlights this if it's confidential?

[Wales-Bales]

How can you know it highlights this if it's confidential?

Oops

[The Lone Gunman]

How can you know it highlights this if it's confidential?

On reflection I can't and it was clearly remiss of me to link the content of Cardiff City's public statement with the alleged behaviour of the gentleman who stepped from his role as the club's Under 18's coach and subsequently left the club altogether following the public allegations of bullying which led to this investigation.

I'm sure it is purely coincidental that the club has made a statement saying it had discovered an unacceptable coaching environment while investigating accusations of bullying and abuse by current and former employees, and it has subsequently implemented robust changes to its procedures in this regard aimed at protecting young players.

[Jimmy the Jock]

On reflection I can't and it was clearly remiss of me to link the content of Cardiff City's public statement with the alleged behaviour of the gentleman who stepped from his role as the club's Under 18's coach and subsequently left the club altogether following the public allegations of bullying which led to this investigation.

I'm sure it is purely coincidental that the club has made a statement saying it had discovered an unacceptable coaching environment while investigating accusations of bullying and abuse by current and former employees, and it has subsequently implemented robust changes to its procedures in this regard aimed at protecting young players.

If you knew what had actually happened you wouldn't be as quick to start firing bullets.

[Toadstool]

I'm sure it is purely coincidental that the club has made a statement saying it had discovered an unacceptable coaching environment while investigating accusations of bullying and abuse by current and former employees, and it has subsequently implemented robust changes to its procedures in this regard aimed at protecting young players.

That's the thing - it may well be coincidental - we don't know.

Plenty of people were pulled up for making assumptions about the causes of the Sala plane crash before the official report and rightly so.

I'm glad you're magnanimous to admit your error

[xsnaggle]

Considering that club's report is confidential, you literally have no idea what the statement is referring to when it talks of bullying and abuse by current and former employees, significant concerns relating to an unacceptable coaching environment and a lack of effective safeguarding processes. Not a clue. Nevertheless, you talk about a precedent being set, clubs (plural) reviewing the aims of their academies following this investigation and a model that worked for over a hundred years being declared unacceptable.

You're just a narcissistic idiot. It's a pity that, once again, you've decided to try to make this thread about you, because the club's frank statement is not only a damning indictment of its own youth system but it clearly highlights the deficiencies of an individual some have believed would make a good manager.

Shirley both these statements can't be true at the same time?

[Toadstool]

Shirley both these statements can't be true at the same time?

Thats what i I said - unless of course he's in the "inner circle"

[CCFCC3PO]

I was pushed very hard as a teenager by coaches with international playing experience. Some people couldn't handle it, but I came out of it a stronger person, and I was even selected to be the team captain. I always gave 100% and I was a team player, so I never really had any negative experiences. I am naturally very focussed and mentally strong with an abundance of controlled aggression, so football was the perfect sport for me. I understand that times change and things are a little different now, but you still need certain attributes to succeed in team sports, and in my era we just learnt about these realities at a younger age.

Cock.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Cock.

Give him a chance. You just don't understand narcissistic delusion!

[Wales-Bales]

Give him a chance. You just don't understand narcissistic delusion!

I understand the real world mate, having lived through it!

[RonnieBird]

I understand the real world mate, having lived through it!

Stop stalking people Cyril / Dorcas

[Wales-Bales]

Cock.

Who the feck are you? I was just giving an example of the attributes that would get you through what some might consider to be a harsh regime. The clubs are looking for specific types of people, and while some have zero problems thriving in such environments, others have great difficulty. It looks like the clubs will now have to gear themselves towards the lowest common denominator, or find some other way to weed out weakest links.

[The Lone Gunman]

I was pushed very hard as a teenager by coaches with international playing experience. Some people couldn't handle it, but I came out of it a stronger person, and I was even selected to be the team captain. I always gave 100% and I was a team player, so I never really had any negative experiences. I am naturally very focussed and mentally strong with an abundance of controlled aggression, so football was the perfect sport for me. I understand that times change and things are a little different now, but you still need certain attributes to succeed in team sports, and in my era we just learnt about these realities at a younger age.

Unbelievable.

Literally.