Goodnight Ryan

[Pedro de la Rosa]

C'mon guys,the group that got to the semi's in 2016 didn't exactly hit the ground running either and I seem to remember nobody wanted Colman as manager as well.Its all too easy to blame the manager and it smacks of a knee jerk reaction rather than a considered view.I quite like the style Giggs is trying to play but these youngsters are not yet in the same place as those 4 yrs ago.Just because we had some success 4 yrs ago lets not become english fans by throwing our toys out when thing don't go to plan.I think this current crop could eventually do as well if not better than the 2016 lot.

If you can tell me what the plan is, I'd love to know. Giggs has had 18 months in the job and I'm still no closer to finding out what we're trying to do. It looked like 4-2-4 last night, the front 4 were pushed up so high we couldn't get them the ball and resorted to lumping it forward to James. Giggs is being let down, massively, by some of the bigger names (with the exception of Joe Allen) but there are major alarm bells ringing. He's not going to go anywhere though so I'm praying he can turn it around in the next 3 months.

[sneggyblubird]

If you can tell me what the plan is, I'd love to know. Giggs has had 18 months in the job and I'm still no closer to finding out what we're trying to do. It looked like 4-2-4 last night, the front 4 were pushed up so high we couldn't get them the ball and resorted to lumping it forward to James. Giggs is being let down, massively, by some of the bigger names (with the exception of Joe Allen) but there are major alarm bells ringing. He's not going to go anywhere though so I'm praying he can turn it around in the next 3 months.

Won't be 3 months I'm afraid,some of our players are babies and far from the finished article.One good tournament has given some fans the same expectations as england fans.We may have to face up to the fact that we won't qualify this time.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Won't be 3 months I'm afraid,some of our players are babies and far from the finished article.One good tournament has given some fans the same expectations as england fans.We may have to face up to the fact that we won't qualify this time.

What's the plan though? What's Giggs trying to do?

[sneggyblubird]

Well as I'm not in his confidence I will hazard a guess.Just like Coleman before him I think he's trying to give as much experience as possible to the so in time they will mature into a good side just like the 2016 squad which incidentally were regarded as pants by many before then with many calling for Colmans head.

[Ianto13]

Well as I'm not in his confidence I will hazard a guess.Just like Coleman before him I think he's trying to give as much experience as possible to the so in time they will mature into a good side just like the 2016 squad which incidentally were regarded as pants by many before then with many calling for Colmans head.

Quite right, in fact Coleman had a worse start than Giggs with easier fixtures but it came right in the Euros! Giggs has until the next World Cup to prove himself so let’s support him!