Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

[William Treseder]

Fu*k sake it’s like tag bitching on here.
Sorry to be having a pop at Pep guys.
I know some of you hold him in such high regard, but going back to the gist of the post, when it comes to football management, certain jobs suit certain managers. Always has done, always will. Warnocks your man for getting out of the championship, peps your man to introduce scintillating football.
One of the best pieces of football management has to be Jock Stein winning the European cup with 11 players who all bar one, were born within a 30 mile radius of Parkhead, or Clough getting promoted to the old 1st División with Forest and winning it the next season, and the European cup twice,or Shankley and Paisley sweeping all before them with Liverpool, or Fergie and his youngsters sweeping all before them.
For all Peps style and panache, and all the dough at his disposal, he’s 8 points behind his biggest rivals already, and still hasn't won the big one with them.
By the way, some of the football Arsenal played under Wenger was every bit as good as Peps Man City.

[the other bob wilson]

Fu*k sake it’s like tag bitching on here.
Sorry to be having a pop at Pep guys.
I know some of you hold him in such high regard, but going back to the gist of the post, when it comes to football management, certain jobs suit certain managers. Always has done, always will. Warnocks your man for getting out of the championship, peps your man to introduce scintillating football.
One of the best pieces of football management has to be Jock Stein winning the European cup with 11 players who all bar one, were born within a 30 mile radius of Parkhead, or Clough getting promoted to the old 1st División with Forest and winning it the next season, and the European cup twice,or Shankley and Paisley sweeping all before them with Liverpool, or Fergie and his youngsters sweeping all before them.
For all Peps style and panache, and all the dough at his disposal, he’s 8 points behind his biggest rivals already, and still hasn't won the big one with them.
By the way, some of the football Arsenal played under Wenger was every bit as good as Peps Man City.

Only a half of Warnock's eight promotions have been from the second tier to the first, so, in essence, he's got a side promoted to the First Division/Premier League once a decade over the period of his time in management - a good record considering that a lot of the seasons he has spent in the job were in the lower divisions, but not as good as suggested by falling back on the eight promotions line.

As I implied in my previous message in this thread, you're making the assumption that Guardiola would not be a success at a lower level then the Premier League or its equivalent in other countries, but there is no evidence out there that this would be the case. In fact, as J R Hartley says, he has a 100 per cent promotion record in the lower divisions in Spain as he guided Barcelona B to the third tier of football in that country to the fourth in his one season with them. So, there is a small amount of evidence that he could manage effectively at a lower level.