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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    because there are so many possible Brexit scenarios (May's deal, Norway style, Canada, no-deal), that's impossible to interpret. Many say leave means leave, but there are reputable, unbiased polls that suggest as many as half of leave voters wanted to remain in the single market and customs union. It's a mess created by the lack of clarity of what Brexit meant in 2016 - hell, there were leave campaigners promising lots of different flavours of Brexit from soft to no-deal.
    There were secret remainers within the leave campaign and vagueness was all part of the plan. A second referendum was always going to be Plan C. May and the EU leadership are doing their best to ensure that we never fully leave.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    There were secret remainers within the leave campaign and vagueness was all part of the plan. A second referendum was always going to be Plan C. May and the EU leadership are doing their best to ensure that we never fully leave.
    I've heard it all now.

    Simple question. When the wording of the question in the referendum was drafted and debated, as it must have been, would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain? Actually, I'll answer it for you. The answer is no. It would have been a straightforward remain victory as all polls have suggested.

    The leave vote needed to appeal to everyone who might consider leaving the EU, whether hard or soft, deal or no deal. Split the leave vote and leave would have lost. That decision, no doubt enforced by the leave campaign, has caused all the problems.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I've heard it all now.

    Simple question. When the wording of the question in the referendum was drafted and debated, as it must have been, would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain? Actually, I'll answer it for you. The answer is no. It would have been a straightforward remain victory as all polls have suggested.

    The leave vote needed to appeal to everyone who might consider leaving the EU, whether hard or soft, deal or no deal. Split the leave vote and leave would have lost. That decision, no doubt enforced by the leave campaign, has caused all the problems.
    You have your opinion and I have mine. I described in detail two years ago what would happen, and here we are in the position that I predicted.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You have your opinion and I have mine. I described in detail what would happen, and here we are as I predicted.
    Mine is hardly an opinion.

    Perhaps you need to answer my question then. When the wording of the question in the referendum was drafted and debated, as it must have been, would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain?

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Mine is hardly an opinion.

    Perhaps you need to answer my question then. When the wording of the question in the referendum was drafted and debated, as it must have been, would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain?
    Cameron didn't want to leave and he never thought we would vote to leave, but as a double-lock the terms of leaving had to be vague, so that no leave outcome could be decided in the first referendum.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Cameron didn't want to leave and he never thought we would vote to leave, but as a double-lock the terms of leaving had to be vague, so that no leave outcome could be decided in the first referendum.
    That doesn't make sense whatsoever. Again, I'll ask. Would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain?

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    That doesn't make sense whatsoever. Again, I'll ask. Would the leave campaign have been happy for it to have been a straight shoot out between leave everything, no-deal and remain?
    We discussed this topic to death two years ago. My prediction was spot-on. Goodnight!

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