Marlon Pack

[the other bob wilson]

Blackpool were relegated after their only season in the Premier League. Bradford haven't played in the Premier League since 2001. Oldham haven't played in the Premier League since 1994. They are completely irrelevant comparisons.

Rubbish, they were all in the Premier League and survived for a season. In fact everyone who has played more than one season in the League have survived for at least one of them bar us - that's not me being cowardly, that's not me being disloyal, that's me simply stating a fact.

Someone on my blog used the word "grateful" yesterday to describe the attitude of manager and some of those at the top of the club towards Premier League football last season - I've been using the term "plucky little Cardiff City" to describe the sentiment that the object of the exercise had been achieved in getting to the top flight and anything else was a bonus, but the effect is the same. We went down because, for the first two or three months of last season, the message coming out of Cardiff City Stadium was that it would be a miracle if we stayed up (e.g. our manager continually saying it would be the biggest achievement of his career if he kept us up) - by the time we realised that this was not the case, Brighton had got too far in front of us.

[The Lone Gunman]

Rubbish, they were all in the Premier League and survived for a season.

I'm pretty sure Blackpool only had one season in the Premier League.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Rubbish, they were all in the Premier League and survived for a season. In fact everyone who has played more than one season in the League have survived for at least one of them bar us - that's not me being cowardly, that's not me being disloyal, that's me simply stating a fact.

Someone on my blog used the word "grateful" yesterday to describe the attitude of manager and some of those at the top of the club towards Premier League football last season - I've been using the term "plucky little Cardiff City" to describe the sentiment that the object of the exercise had been achieved in getting to the top flight and anything else was a bonus, but the effect is the same. We went down because, for the first two or three months of last season, the message coming out of Cardiff City Stadium was that it would be a miracle if we stayed up (e.g. our manager continually saying it would be the biggest achievement of his career if he kept us up) - by the time we realised that this was not the case, Brighton had got too far in front of us.

I think it's a somewhat tenuous argument, but the 'plucky little Cardiff' stuff is truly a mis-placed sentiment. A new stadium with an attendaces averaging over 30,000, a capital City voted frequently one the best places to live, and a billionaire owner. If you were looking for the criteria for success then we have it, except of course when it comes down to what really, really matters - the key personnel - manager/ owners etc, and following on from that the players. At the moment we're all fur coat and no knickers...

[LeningradCowboy]

Rubbish, they were all in the Premier League and survived for a season. In fact everyone who has played more than one season in the League have survived for at least one of them bar us - that's not me being cowardly, that's not me being disloyal, that's me simply stating a fact.

Someone on my blog used the word "grateful" yesterday to describe the attitude of manager and some of those at the top of the club towards Premier League football last season - I've been using the term "plucky little Cardiff City" to describe the sentiment that the object of the exercise had been achieved in getting to the top flight and anything else was a bonus, but the effect is the same. We went down because, for the first two or three months of last season, the message coming out of Cardiff City Stadium was that it would be a miracle if we stayed up (e.g. our manager continually saying it would be the biggest achievement of his career if he kept us up) - by the time we realised that this was not the case, Brighton had got too far in front of us.

We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.

[Enoch Mort]

We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.

The transfer committee consists of 4 people 3 of which, in my view, know very little about football. Those 3 probably determine the net budget with VT having the final say but who to sign will be down to one person only. If recruitment is shambolic, and there is no doubt that poor and expensive decisions have been made, then it is only down to one person.

[LeningradCowboy]

The transfer committee consists of 4 people 3 of which, in my view, know very little about football. Those 3 probably determine the net budget with VT having the final say but who to sign will be down to one person only. If recruitment is shambolic, and there is no doubt that poor and expensive decisions have been made, then it is only down to one person.

I'm not trying to exonerate the manager, but who decided that we should recruit players in this way?

[Enoch Mort]

I'm not trying to exonerate the manager, but who decided that we should recruit players in this way?

Probably because VT thought that he was being taken to the cleaners in previous transfers and he thought that a transfer committee might sort that problem. As a consequence it seems that the current arrangements allow for shambolic transfer recruitment but within budget.

[the other bob wilson]

We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.

We didn't have the weakest squad in the division, it's pretty obvious Huddersfield did and, for all of their spending, Fulham were shambolic defensively - they only got as close to us as they did because of a decent run after their relegation had been confirmed. Claims such as yours play right into the didn't we do well to get so close to staying up mentality that takes no account of facts such as the size of our average attendance last season - we should be on a par with clubs like Leicester, Brighton, Wolves and Southampton given our potential and doing better than teams such as Watford and Bournemouth, but as soon as we get close to doing so, we get all coy and have the football equivalent of a nose bleed.

[LeningradCowboy]

We didn't have the weakest squad in the division, it's pretty obvious Huddersfield did and, for all of their spending, Fulham were shambolic defensively - they only got as close to us as they did because of a decent run after their relegation had been confirmed. Claims such as yours play right into the didn't we do well to get so close to staying up mentality that takes no account of facts such as the size of our average attendance last season - we should be on a par with clubs like Leicester, Brighton, Wolves and Southampton given our potential and doing better than teams such as Watford and Bournemouth, but as soon as we get close to doing so, we get all coy and have the football equivalent of a nose bleed.

Our first choice XI was better than Huddersfield and Fulham last season, but we did have the weakest squad in the division - remember the subs bench at Fulham.

Sunderland had an average attendance of over 32,000 playing in League One last season. Leeds had an average attendance of over 34,000 and they haven't played in the Premier League for 15 years. It just doesn't matter in modern football.

[The Gifaffe]

We didn't get relegated because of the 'message' coming out of Cardiff City Stadium. We got relegated because we had the weakest squad in the division, which is because our player recruitment, apart from a brief period soon after Neil Warnock was appointed, has been shambolic ever since Vincent Tan fell out with Malky Mackay and Iain Moody.

We were relegated because we could not score enough goals. Only one team score less than us and they finished rock bottom.
However, one team conceded more than us and stayed up because they scored 21 more goals which delivered 11 more points.

We didn't have a premier league striker at the start of the season, and the one we signed/were in the process of signing/never signed met an unfortunate fate. We were unlucky, but we were certainly not significantly worse than Burnley or Brighton. And if the Chelsea game had VAR we might well still be up.

[The Lone Gunman]

And if the Chelsea game had VAR we might well still be up.

This again.....

If VAR was in operation for the Chelsea game, the visitors would have been awarded a penalty within the first few minutes.

[NYCBlue]

This again.....

If VAR was in operation for the Chelsea game, the visitors would have been awarded a penalty within the first few minutes.

We would have had a penalty awarded every time we had a corner or a long throw into the area if VAR was in operation.

[The Lone Gunman]

We would have had a penalty awarded every time we had a corner or a long throw into the area if VAR was in operation.

Possibly would have got into Europe then, provided someone could take penalties.

[NYCBlue]

Possibly would have got into Europe then, provided someone could take penalties.

Almost certainly. Probably would have VAR'd our way to the very top. If only the club had had the foresight to remain in the EPL.