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Thread: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

  1. #26

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Leighton James has more chance of winning the Premier League with Citeh than Guardiola has of winning the CL with a Scottish team.
    Could Pep get school kids across a road whilst full of drink though?

  2. #27

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Could Pep get school kids across a road whilst full of drink though?
    He'd get them dribbling around moving cars and nutmegging pedestrians. Perhaps he falls short in the inane, drunken swearing at kids stake.

  3. #28

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    You can only polish a turd so much.
    KO games v a 38 game slog.


    Know who I’ll be siding with.

  4. #29

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I’d say Neil Lennon would have a much better chance of winning the premiership with Man City than Pep would have winning the champions league with either Celtic or Rangers.
    Then why are Man City paying Pep what they pay him when they could just bring in Neil Lennon or Neil Warnock on a fraction of his wages?

  5. #30

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Then why are Man City paying Pep what they pay him when they could just bring in Neil Lennon or Neil Warnock on a fraction of his wages?
    I'd love to see that, Warnock in charge of Man City for a seasom 'He's a smashing lad is De brooner, Just needs to get the ball up to the big man a bit quicker' I love it me'

  6. #31

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Then why are Man City paying Pep what they pay him when they could just bring in Neil Lennon or Neil Warnock on a fraction of his wages?
    They might if he keeps losing to teams like Norwich and Wolves.

  7. #32

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    They might if he keeps losing to teams like Norwich and Wolves.
    But they won’t, will they.

  8. #33

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    But they won’t, will they.
    Well he can afford to splash out on a few good defenders in January can’t he?
    That’s the difference when you’ve got pots of dough.

  9. #34

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Well he can afford to splash out on a few good defenders in January can’t he?
    That’s the difference when you’ve got pots of dough.
    They won’t replace him with a shite manager...

  10. #35

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Well he can afford to splash out on a few good defenders in January can’t he?
    That’s the difference when you’ve got pots of dough.
    Well answer the question you’ve avoided. If it’s just about spending the cash why ain’t Man U up there with Liverpool and City?

  11. #36

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Well answer the question you’ve avoided. If it’s just about spending the cash why ain’t Man U up there with Liverpool and City?
    That’s obvious. They’ve not spent wisely.
    It’s also difficult to attract top class players when you’re not in the champions league.

  12. #37

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    That’s obvious. They’ve not spent wisely.
    It’s also difficult to attract top class players when you’re not in the champions league.
    Would Lennon spend the money Pep has spent at City wisely?

  13. #38

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    That’s obvious. They’ve not spent wisely.
    It’s also difficult to attract top class players when you’re not in the champions league.
    Players would rather play for a modern legend like Pep than Ole.

  14. #39

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    At the end of the day, Pep was brought in by Man City, to win the champions league, and so far, with all the money and talent they have, he’s failed miserably.
    Then again, he’s not got the likes of Messi or Iniesta etc this time.
    This thread is about comparing the likes of Pep against the likes of Warnock.
    Neither one could have achieved what the other one has.
    Surely we all agree on that?

  15. #40

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    At the end of the day, Pep was brought in by Man City, to win the champions league, and so far, with all the money and talent they have, he’s failed miserably.
    Then again, he’s not got the likes of Messi or Iniesta etc this time.
    This thread is about comparing the likes of Pep against the likes of Warnock.
    Neither one could have achieved what the other one has.
    Surely we all agree on that?
    No, Warnock has only ever managed sides destined to struggle when he's had teams in the top flight, but his record is poor. On the other hand, Guardiola has never had to "slum it" in his managerial career. There may not be any evidence that he would succeed at a club like Bury, or even Cardiff, but there's none that he'd fail either - if he suddenly says in a couple of months time that he's enjoyed his time at Man City, but he really came to the UK to manage Cardiff, I'd risk telling Warnock thank you and goodbye and take a punt on Pep.

  16. #41

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    At the end of the day, Pep was brought in by Man City, to win the champions league, and so far, with all the money and talent they have, he’s failed miserably.
    Then again, he’s not got the likes of Messi or Iniesta etc this time.
    This thread is about comparing the likes of Pep against the likes of Warnock.
    Neither one could have achieved what the other one has.
    Surely we all agree on that?
    No

  17. #42

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    That’s obvious. They’ve not spent wisely.
    It’s also difficult to attract top class players when you’re not in the champions league.
    Man U struggle to attract players.

    They were in the champions league last year, and the year before so that argument is redundant anyway.

    They also had world class players and still struggled, so its clearly up to the manager to get the best out of the players.

    Do you think if Soljskaer was in charge of City or Liverpool and Pep or Klopp were in charge of United, and had the money United have spent the last 5 years to build something that there would be such a gap? Not a chance.

    To just dismiss any managers success as "oh he had the money to spend" is a nonsense. Its not like hes the only manager whos had money to spend. Real Madrid spent more than Barcelona in Peps time in charge of Barcelona for starters.

    Also, going back to Pep, he has turned Raheem Sterling into a world class player. NQAT.

  18. #43

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    At the end of the day, Pep was brought in by Man City, to win the champions league, and so far, with all the money and talent they have, he’s failed miserably.
    Then again, he’s not got the likes of Messi or Iniesta etc this time.
    This thread is about comparing the likes of Pep against the likes of Warnock.
    Neither one could have achieved what the other one has.
    Surely we all agree on that?
    Why couldnt Pep win promotion from the Championship?

    The likes of Phil Brown, Steve Bruce, Alex McCleish, Nigel Pearson.etc can get teams up from the Championship but Pep couldnt?

  19. #44

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Why couldnt Pep win promotion from the Championship?

    The likes of Phil Brown, Steve Bruce, Alex McCleish, Nigel Pearson.etc can get teams up from the Championship but Pep couldnt?
    I’m talking about a record of 8 promotions.
    A lot of posters on this thread seem to be belittling Warnocks achievements.
    Peps trophy haul is about as impressive as you can get, But he’s had the luxury of coaching the best players in the world.
    He’s so far failed to win the champions league with Bayern, and he’s not won it with Man City.

  20. #45

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I’m talking about a record of 8 promotions.
    A lot of posters on this thread seem to be belittling Warnocks achievements.
    Peps trophy haul is about as impressive as you can get, But he’s had the luxury of coaching the best players in the world.
    He’s so far failed to win the champions league with Bayern, and he’s not won it with Man City.
    Boo hoo. He hasnt won a certain cup competition in a few years. Fergie only won it twice in 20 years and hes regarded as the best manager to ever mange on these shores. Pep is winning leagues with record amounts of points and won 5 of the last 6 domestic competitions.

    You think if Pep was managing in the lower leagues for 40 years he couldnt win 8 promotions? He won a promotion in his one and only season in charge of a side not playing in the top tier.

  21. #46

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    Boo hoo. He hasnt won a certain cup competition in a few years. Fergie only won it twice in 20 years and hes regarded as the best manager to ever mange on these shores. Pep is winning leagues with record amounts of points and won 5 of the last 6 domestic competitions.

    You think if Pep was managing in the lower leagues for 40 years he couldnt win 8 promotions? He won a promotion in his one and only season in charge of a side not playing in the top tier.
    It’s not just a certain cup completion though is it?
    It’s what Man City are paying him big bucks for, and so far he’s failed.

  22. #47

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    It’s not just a certain cup completion though is it?
    It’s what Man City are paying him big bucks for, and so far he’s failed.
    They are paying him big bucks to establish themselves as one of the best teams in the world, which he has regardless of the fact he hasnt won the CL with them in just 3 attempts. He has taken them to a different level of his predecessors and the football is of a style and swagger not seen in this country before.

    You think the Man City heirachy would say hes failed his remit?

    "Sorry Pep, we are going to have to let you go mate. Do you have the number for Neil Lennons agent?"

  23. #48

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    It’s not just a certain cup completion though is it?
    It’s what Man City are paying him big bucks for, and so far he’s failed.
    If they wanted a guaranteed champions league win, man city should have got....Who exactly?

  24. #49

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    It’s a bit stupid to think you can just throw money at the CL and win it when you’ve got Barca, Real, PSG, Bayern, Juve, Liverpool etc all capable of winning it.

    He’s hardly done shit has he because he hasn’t won it.

    Look at how much better Man City are on the pitch for starters

    And it’s not about 8 promotions is it, it was about Lennon and Celtic earlier.
    You’ve moved the goal posts about 50 times in this thread and still won’t give up.

  25. #50

    Re: Guardiola vs Warnock - Different Philosophies, Same Inspiration

    Fu*k sake it’s like tag bitching on here.
    Sorry to be having a pop at Pep guys.
    I know some of you hold him in such high regard, but going back to the gist of the post, when it comes to football management, certain jobs suit certain managers. Always has done, always will. Warnocks your man for getting out of the championship, peps your man to introduce scintillating football.
    One of the best pieces of football management has to be Jock Stein winning the European cup with 11 players who all bar one, were born within a 30 mile radius of Parkhead, or Clough getting promoted to the old 1st División with Forest and winning it the next season, and the European cup twice,or Shankley and Paisley sweeping all before them with Liverpool, or Fergie and his youngsters sweeping all before them.
    For all Peps style and panache, and all the dough at his disposal, he’s 8 points behind his biggest rivals already, and still hasn't won the big one with them.
    By the way, some of the football Arsenal played under Wenger was every bit as good as Peps Man City.

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