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    It is weird how easy it is to just change these kind of laws but how hard it is to change the laws that allow millionaires to avoid paying tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    It is weird how easy it is to just change these kind of laws but how hard it is to change the laws that allow millionaires to avoid paying tax.
    What I find weird is that a man who has boasted that he has opposed anti terror legislation since he came to parliament in 1983 can claim that he has the best interests of our country at heart

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    You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
    How are you fighting terrorism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
    That's what Tony Blair said while waving his sexed up dossier in front of parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
    Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.
    Jeez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.
    It's painful to watch isn't it.

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    It's painful to watch isn't it.
    I'm never quite sure whether the Chameleon Cwmbranistani is as daft as he portrays himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    I'm never quite sure whether the Chameleon Cwmbranistani is as daft as he portrays himself.
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.
    And in today's edition of policy by cliche.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    What I find weird is that a man who has boasted that he has opposed anti terror legislation since he came to parliament in 1983 can claim that he has the best interests of our country at heart
    Depends on his motivation I guess. If (as it appears now) 'anti terror laws' just refers to knee-jerk broad sweeping powers that will a) make no difference and b) be abused, then I agree with him. If it means locking people up without trial just because they are a bit suspicious, then I agree with him.

    If you truly believe he voted against it because he 'loves terrorists' then feel free to stick your x wherever you feel is suitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Depends on his motivation I guess. If (as it appears now) 'anti terror laws' just refers to knee-jerk broad sweeping powers that will a) make no difference and b) be abused, then I agree with him. If it means locking people up without trial just because they are a bit suspicious, then I agree with him.

    If you truly believe he voted against it because he 'loves terrorists' then feel free to stick your x wherever you feel is suitable.

    Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.

    In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.

    I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.

    In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.

    I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.
    All governments and the opposition parties are in contact with unsavery groups. Thatcher was in contact with the IRA and the ANC when they were a banned terrorist organisation. It is part of the job of being a politician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    All governments and the opposition parties are in contact with unsavery groups. Thatcher was in contact with the IRA and the ANC when they were a banned terrorist organisation. It is part of the job of being a politician.
    Apart from Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott do you know of any other senior UK politicians who have referred to terrorist groups as their friends, stood in silence to honour dead IRA terrorists, refuse to condemn the IRA despite being asked on numerous occasions, praised the IRA & advocate honouring them or say that they wanted the British State defeated?

    I am sorry but to suggest that a backbench MP like Corbyn had links with these organisations for any reason other than to suck up to them is laughable. Corbyn & McDonnell are republicans, can you work out the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    Apart from Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott do you know of any other senior UK politicians who have referred to terrorist groups as their friends, stood in silence to honour dead IRA terrorists, refuse to condemn the IRA despite being asked on numerous occasions, praised the IRA & advocate honouring them or say that they wanted the British State defeated?

    I am sorry but to suggest that a backbench MP like Corbyn had links with these organisations for any reason other than to suck up to them is laughable. Corbyn & McDonnell are republicans, can you work out the link?
    Lot's of people are republicans, as will be seen when it's time for the queen to hand on the batton to Charles. Personally I can take it or leave it when it comes to the royals, but I can only see republicanism getting stronger in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    refuse to condemn the IRA despite being asked on numerous occasions
    Really? Last I heard Corbyn roundly condemned all terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.

    In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.

    I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.
    Just be clear, do you think Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell want the terrorists to kill us all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Just be clear, do you think Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell want the terrorists to kill us all?
    Which terrorist groups are you on about & where have I even come close to suggesting that they 'want the terrorists to kill us all'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    Which terrorist groups are you on about & where have I even come close to suggesting that they 'want the terrorists to kill us all'?
    Well you haven't but I am just not sure what you are so afraid of. What are Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott going to do (putting aside that she is already being sidelined) that will endanger us?

    You began the thread by saying that Corbyn 'doesn't have our best interests at heart', whose then??

    Politicians go on the news and say 'the terrorists hate our way of life', well guess what so do our allies. In Saudi Arabia you couldn't find a country whose beliefs and values are are more polar opposite to our own. Successive governments have clung to them no matter what they did to people yet you act like Corbyn talking to some people from Sinn Fein is the crime of the century.

    I think the world is probably a more complicated place than you are accepting it to be.

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