VALLEY COPS, BBC 1 Wales 9pm (now) . Should be a laugh.

[Richyrich]

Yes it might make it a bit safer but where the fcuk are these people going to find £5,6,700 a week without there being criminal activity? Theyve still got to feed their habit, legal or not. They will still have to beg and steal, whore themselves out.etc like they do now. Unless of course youre suggesting the tax payer pays for these legal drugs??

Nowhere in that article does it say crime has dropped loads, although logic says if youre not arresting people for posession and dealing then drug arrests are bound to go down. It still doesnt tackle the crimes commited in order to supplement their drug use.

The heroin is free if legal, like a prescription. Heroin is cheap really and wouldn't cost a lot for a government to buy and you make massive savings with police, hospitals etc. The war on drugs has been a massive failure.

[J R Hartley]

The heroin is free if legal, like a prescription. Heroin is cheap really and wouldn't cost a lot for a government to buy and you make massive savings with police, hospitals etc. The war on drugs has been a massive failure.

Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.

Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.

[Richyrich]

Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.

Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.

Well, it's happening. Trials have started in Durham and Glasgow. Switzerland have been doing it a while. Best get on to your MP mug.

[qccfc]

Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.

Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.

You are dealing with the drug user any way, whether that be via policing, the health service, housing or recovery. That's all coming from the tax collect anyway.

If you eliminate the dealer, then you can control the product, eliminate the crime from that aspect, and eliminate the need for the user to commit crime to get the money to get the product. You will also eliminate the dealer controlling the price point and steadily increasing it when the subject becomes addicted.

That would then have an improvement to the local community due to a reduction in crimes, and not have drug runners on the streets targeting individuals, and youngsters not looking at drugs as a viable job prospect.

Seems a fair trade off to me, the tax payer pays either way.

[J R Hartley]

You are dealing with the drug user any way, whether that be via policing, the health service, housing or recovery. That's all coming from the tax collect anyway.

If you eliminate the dealer, then you can control the product, eliminate the crime from that aspect, and eliminate the need for the user to commit crime to get the money to get the product. You will also eliminate the dealer controlling the price point and steadily increasing it when the subject becomes addicted.

That would then have an improvement to the local community due to a reduction in crimes, and not have drug runners on the streets targeting individuals, and youngsters not looking at drugs as a viable job prospect.

Seems a fair trade off to me, the tax payer pays either way.

And they all lived happily ever after

[qccfc]

And they all lived happily ever after

Of course not, you have issues with alcohol in society. However you can tax it and offset the problems via a monetary intake.

If you are a dealer now, its in your interest to get as many people hooked as possible, then seeing as you control the price you can take advantage of the individual afterwards. You legalise the product you make the dealer redundant, you immediately remove that individual from the streets.

You can then tax the product, control the strength of product, and monitor the individual.

There is always a trade off with regards to treatment, do you deal with the product at its source. Or is it better to deal with the consequences of the product.

[J R Hartley]

Of course not, you have issues with alcohol in society. However you can tax it and offset the problems via a monetary intake.

If you are a dealer now, its in your interest to get as many people hooked as possible, then seeing as you control the price you can take advantage of the individual afterwards. You legalise the product you make the dealer redundant, you immediately remove that individual from the streets.

You can then tax the product, control the strength of product, and monitor the individual.

There is always a trade off with regards to treatment, do you deal with the product at its source. Or is it better to deal with the consequences of the product.

Make your mind up. One minute they are getting free heroin, now you want to tax it. Where are they going to get the money from to pay for it?

also, if your messing with the strength then then you wont get rid of the dealers because they will just sell a stronger product. Its what is happening now in the Merthyr at the moment. Too many dealers so they are trying to get the upper hand by selling a stronger, albeit more expensive, product.

Finally, going right to the top of the source do you really think the cartels are going to let the goverments just decide its legal and put them out of business. In the countries these drugs are grown the goverment are controlled by the cartels.

[Richyrich]

Make your mind up. One minute they are getting free heroin, now you want to tax it. Where are they going to get the money from to pay for it?

also, if your messing with the strength then then you wont get rid of the dealers because they will just sell a stronger product. Its what is happening now in the Merthyr at the moment. Too many dealers so they are trying to get the upper hand by selling a stronger, albeit more expensive, product.

Finally, going right to the top of the source do you really think the cartels are going to let the goverments just decide its legal and put them out of business. In the countries these drugs are grown the goverment are controlled by the cartels.

Wow.

[qccfc]

Make your mind up. One minute they are getting free heroin, now you want to tax it. Where are they going to get the money from to pay for it?

also, if your messing with the strength then then you wont get rid of the dealers because they will just sell a stronger product. Its what is happening now in the Merthyr at the moment. Too many dealers so they are trying to get the upper hand by selling a stronger, albeit more expensive, product.

Finally, going right to the top of the source do you really think the cartels are going to let the goverments just decide its legal and put them out of business. In the countries these drugs are grown the goverment are controlled by the cartels.

You can distribute it at a price similar to alcohol, do people steal alcohol, yeah of course. Do we have dealers on the street pushing alcohol at you and then ramping prices in the future, no of course not.

Dealer could produce a stronger product, it wouldn't eliminate a problem, but offer more control over it. Just like with Alcohol and Cigarettes now there is a black market but the majority buy from stores.

Heroin is an opiate it would be easy enough to manufacture in this country if we decided to make it legal, without having to deal with Cartels.