Climate fanatics - where are you

[TWGL1]

Ah yes, a 15 year old documentary criticised on mass by scientists made by a libertarian nutjob who has no scientific qualficiations. Great evidence to support your case.

Look at question time this week at those who deny basic science and see man made climate change isn't happening, what is the one thing most deniers have in common?

They're old.

Have you ever wondered why the climate change debate goes silent when wars are raging ( and continuing) carbon emissions are at record highs in India China and the like , Oil production is on the agenda in the UAE and Saudi oil production is 10% up year on year with over 200 years of global production remaining, I was hoping you could answer this question?

[MOZZER2]

Have you ever wondered why the climate change debate goes silent when wars are raging ( and continuing) carbon emissions are at record highs in India China and the like , Oil production is on the agenda in the UAE and Saudi oil production is 10% up year on year with over 200 years of global production remaining, I was hoping you could answer this question?

China aims to build up a backup production system with capacity to mobilize 300 million metric tons of coal a year by 2030, as part of the world’s largest coal consumer’s effort to boost energy security

not playing the game are they !

[Rjk]

China aims to build up a backup production system with capacity to mobilize 300 million metric tons of coal a year by 2030, as part of the world’s largest coal consumer’s effort to boost energy security

not playing the game are they !

Yes they are - they've been routinely beating their targets for achieving carbon neutrality

Their targets were less aggressive than ours, but there are very different challenges in achieving it at the same time as developing their economy and taking millions of people every year out of subsistence farming.

They planned to peak emissions in 2030, but will now achieve it in 2025.
Targets for amount of renewable power coming on board there are also 5 years ahead of schedule, and dwarf any other country in the world.
Chinese developments in perovskite/silicon solar cells can produce solar cells that are 50% cheaper and produce 50% more energy, and will transform the market in the next few years.
They are the biggest market for electric vehicles, selling more than the rest of the world put together - 22% of new vehicles there were electric.
They are reforesting huge areas, pledging to plant 70 billion trees in the next 5 years.

Their planned date for carbon neutrality is 2060 vs our 2050, but they are ahead of schedule.

They don't need to do any of this to win votes, or due to international pressure, they're doing it because they can also see that it is the right thing to do.

[TWGL1]

Yes they are - they've been routinely beating their targets for achieving carbon neutrality

Their targets were less aggressive than ours, but there are very different challenges in achieving it at the same time as developing their economy and taking millions of people every year out of subsistence farming.

They planned to peak emissions in 2030, but will now achieve it in 2025.
Targets for amount of renewable power coming on board there are also 5 years ahead of schedule, and dwarf any other country in the world.
Chinese developments in perovskite/silicon solar cells can produce solar cells that are 50% cheaper and produce 50% more energy, and will transform the market in the next few years.
They are the biggest market for electric vehicles, selling more than the rest of the world put together - 22% of new vehicles there were electric.
They are reforesting huge areas, pledging to plant 70 billion trees in the next 5 years.

Their planned date for carbon neutrality is 2060 vs our 2050, but they are ahead of schedule.

They don't need to do any of this to win votes, or due to international pressure, they're doing it because they can also see that it is the right thing to do.

A target achieved in 36 years - anything could happen between now and then though

[MOZZER2]

Yes they are - they've been routinely beating their targets for achieving carbon neutrality

Their targets were less aggressive than ours, but there are very different challenges in achieving it at the same time as developing their economy and taking millions of people every year out of subsistence farming.

They planned to peak emissions in 2030, but will now achieve it in 2025.
Targets for amount of renewable power coming on board there are also 5 years ahead of schedule, and dwarf any other country in the world.
Chinese developments in perovskite/silicon solar cells can produce solar cells that are 50% cheaper and produce 50% more energy, and will transform the market in the next few years.
They are the biggest market for electric vehicles, selling more than the rest of the world put together - 22% of new vehicles there were electric.
They are reforesting huge areas, pledging to plant 70 billion trees in the next 5 years.

Their planned date for carbon neutrality is 2060 vs our 2050, but they are ahead of schedule.

They don't need to do any of this to win votes, or due to international pressure, they're doing it because they can also see that it is the right thing to do.

that's all they are doing is phasing out old practices whilst cranking up coal production to meet China’s coal consumption which is expected to increase by 1.5% each year going forward

Strict capacity replacement requirements are set for companies to add new mining facilities to meet green targets

China is not only the largest coal producer in the world they are also the largest coal importer in the world. In 2022, the country imported 290 millions tons of coal

i am very skeptical about future facts and figures coming out china when you look at that time frame you mentioned

With the rest of those paragraphs you mentioned AI will transform the world anyway

[Heathblue]

that's all they are doing is phasing out old practices whilst cranking up coal production to meet China’s coal consumption which is expected to increase by 1.5% each year going forward

Strict capacity replacement requirements are set for companies to add new mining facilities to meet green targets

China is not only the largest coal producer in the world they are also the largest coal importer in the world. In 2022, the country imported 290 millions tons of coal

i am very skeptical about future facts and figures coming out china when you look at that time frame you mentioned

With the rest of those paragraphs you mentioned AI will transform the world anyway

Wasting your time Mozz
Anthropogenic climate change is nothing but an unproven theory, just like the heliocentric model, no facts just theory, the only fact is that to put the theory right, is joe public has to pay for it, imagine that ?, there will be 1,000's of football coaches going up and down the country tomorrow, many on board of a needless journey will be pontificating the next day to the climate deniers, if we only have 30 years or so again!!!!! everything needless should be stopped, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month, not next year but immediately now this minute, towns are polluted, stop the traffic now immediately, stop all air traffic now immediately, no exemptions for private jets, i note the electrified line stopped at Cardiff!!!, if it was so important, money would have been no object and that to Swansea it should have gone, stop all the diesel trains immediately, stop all diesel HGV immediately, i guess its not that important, you can drive into the centre of London if you can afford it, as long as you can afford it climate change is not that important.
How many of the climate screamers on here will take their car to the scrappy tomorrow for their religion?, NONE that's how many. SQUAT.

[TWGL1]

Wasting your time Mozz
Anthropogenic climate change is nothing but an unproven theory, just like the heliocentric model, no facts just theory, the only fact is that to put the theory right, is joe public has to pay for it, imagine that ?, there will be 1,000's of football coaches going up and down the country tomorrow, many on board of a needless journey will be pontificating the next day to the climate deniers, if we only have 30 years or so again!!!!! everything needless should be stopped, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month, not next year but immediately now this minute, towns are polluted, stop the traffic now immediately, stop all air traffic now immediately, no exemptions for private jets, i note the electrified line stopped at Cardiff!!!, if it was so important, money would have been no object and that to Swansea it should have gone, stop all the diesel trains immediately, stop all diesel HGV immediately, i guess its not that important, you can drive into the centre of London if you can afford it, as long as you can afford it climate change is not that important.
How many of the climate screamers on here will take their car to the scrappy tomorrow for their religion?, NONE that's how many. SQUAT.

Tend to agree - if it was serious as the biggest carbon footprint users are telling us there would be a climate crisis lockdown currently in place

[Doucas]

Wasting your time Mozz
Anthropogenic climate change is nothing but an unproven theory, just like the heliocentric model, no facts just theory, the only fact is that to put the theory right, is joe public has to pay for it, imagine that ?, there will be 1,000's of football coaches going up and down the country tomorrow, many on board of a needless journey will be pontificating the next day to the climate deniers, if we only have 30 years or so again!!!!! everything needless should be stopped, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month, not next year but immediately now this minute, towns are polluted, stop the traffic now immediately, stop all air traffic now immediately, no exemptions for private jets, i note the electrified line stopped at Cardiff!!!, if it was so important, money would have been no object and that to Swansea it should have gone, stop all the diesel trains immediately, stop all diesel HGV immediately, i guess its not that important, you can drive into the centre of London if you can afford it, as long as you can afford it climate change is not that important.
How many of the climate screamers on here will take their car to the scrappy tomorrow for their religion?, NONE that's how many. SQUAT.

[lardy]

I think one of our messageboard friends doesn't know what 'scientific theory' means.

[Rjk]

Wasting your time Mozz
Anthropogenic climate change is nothing but an unproven theory, just like the heliocentric model, no facts just theory

can you explain what you mean about the heliocentric model?

[Doucas]

can you explain what you mean about the heliocentric model?

He doesn't believe the sun is the centre of the solar system, he also believes the Earth is flat. I'm not joking.

[Rjk]

can you explain what you mean about the heliocentric model?

I'm genuinely interested in what makes you say this, it could mean a lot of different things?

Like the sun isn't the centre of the universe - nobody thinks that, It's in the outer arm of a fairly unremarkable galaxy
Also you could argue that the earth and the sun go around each other, as earth's gravity also has an effect on the sun (although the centre of Gravity between the two is almost in the centre of the sun)
What exactly are you trying to say?