English born Welsh players

[G rangetown Blue]

My thoughts on this are (very) well documented.

If a player isn't good enough to be picked for His own country, then why would he / should he, take the place of a Welsh player in their national team.

Obviously, Williams and Vokes would love to play for England, but were not good enough, so (some might say) selfishly play for Wales.

[joecity]

My thoughts on this are (very) well documented.

If a player isn't good enough to be picked for His own country, then why would he / should he, take the place of a Welsh player in their national team.

Obviously, Williams and Vokes would love to play for England, but were not good enough, so (some might say) selfishly play for Wales.

Couldn't disagree more. I wish every Welsh person spoke Welsh but they don't and mostly can't. It's fine, It's the way it is for many reasons. Doesn't make them any any less Welsh too me it would just be nice in my mind. I buzzed hard when Williams, Vokes plus Robson-Kanu scored against Belgium as well as other high's in our game. They did n all, You can see it. It means something.

[G rangetown Blue]

Couldn't disagree more. I wish every Welsh person spoke Welsh but they don't and mostly can't. It's fine, It's the way it is for many reasons. Doesn't make them any any less Welsh too me it would just be nice in my mind. I buzzed hard when Williams, Vokes plus Robson-Kanu scored against Belgium as well as other high's in our game. They did n all, You can see it. It means something.

You completely missed my point.
Why should an Englishman, rejected by England, play for Wales instead of a Welshman?
It's just selfish and egotistical, and morally wrong.
A few players (recent e.g. Turner and Shawcross), have politely declined, even though they 'qualify' they are not Welsh, and therefore did the decent thing.

[joecity]

You completely missed my point.
Why should an Englishman, rejected by England, play for Wales instead of a Welshman?
It's just selfish and egotistical, and morally wrong.
A few players (recent e.g. Turner and Shawcross), have politely declined, even though they 'qualify' they are not Welsh, and therefore did the decent thing.

Still disagree sorry. Doubt Vokes and Williams were approached by England, couldn't care if they were. Turner n Shawcross either weren't or feel 100 English. Good for them. My old mans Dad is from Sierra Leon. He was born in Barry and is as welsh as they come, point is you are where you are now. If you feel Welsh then so be it. That is what you are. If Welsh born player's miss out to a dual player then they need to get better. Of course for me they would all speak Welsh and Be born of the Hen Wlad but they are not. As long as they commit and buzz of it i'm in.

[G rangetown Blue]

Still disagree sorry. Doubt Vokes and Williams were approached by England, couldn't care if they were. Turner n Shawcross either weren't or feel 100 English. Good for them. My old mans Dad is from Sierra Leon. He was born in Barry and is as welsh as they come, point is you are where you are now. If you feel Welsh then so be it. That is what you are. If Welsh born player's miss out to a dual player then they need to get better. Of course for me they would all speak Welsh and Be born of the Hen Wlad but they are not. As long as they commit and buzz of it i'm in.

Of course they weren't approached by England, that's why they play for us.

[joecity]

Of course they weren't approached by England, that's why they play for us.

I meant Turner n the donkey mate

[City123]

My thoughts on this are (very) well documented.

If a player isn't good enough to be picked for His own country, then why would he / should he, take the place of a Welsh player in their national team.

Obviously, Williams and Vokes would love to play for England, but were not good enough, so (some might say) selfishly play for Wales.

And have selfishly provided thousands of Welsh men and women with some of the greatest moments in Welsh football history

[G rangetown Blue]

And have selfishly provided thousands of Welsh men and women with some of the greatest moments in Welsh football history

With more than a little help from some proper Welshmen!

[City123]

With more than a little help from some proper Welshmen!

Oh, your point on Vokes is completely invalid by the way, he played for Wales' Under 21s at 17, an age where he would still have had chances to play for England at any level, he instead committed to Wales and has showed a lot more commitment than a lot of "proper Welshman" (a certain Mr.Giggs springs to mind)

Williams has admitted to supporting England when he was a kid and of course he did, but now he seems himself as fully Welsh and has raised his children as such, nationality is more than whichever hospital you happen to have been born in

[Rhiw-Blue]

The essence of international football SHOULD be about determining which country has the greatest depth of talent at any point in time and not who can convince players to pull on their shirt because of a tenuous link.
The rules are wrong not the countries exploiting it.
If Germany (for example!!) win a World Cup with 11 foreigners in their squad doesn't it cheapen the achievement, what has it proved?
I just don't see the point in international football with the way the rules are openly exploited

[G rangetown Blue]

Oh, your point on Vokes is completely invalid by the way, he played for Wales' Under 21s at 17, an age where he would still have had chances to play for England at any level, he instead committed to Wales and has showed a lot more commitment than a lot of "proper Welshman" (a certain Mr.Giggs springs to mind)

Williams has admitted to supporting England when he was a kid and of course he did, but now he seems himself as fully Welsh and has raised his children as such, nationality is more than whichever hospital you happen to have been born in

I said they would obviously rather play for England. Surely you're not doubting that?

They are denying Welsh players (some who only qualify for Wales) a cap for their country, it's not right however you want to dress it up.

Ryan Giggs played every meaningful game for Wales he could. He is the most decorated Welsh player in history, one of the most decorated in the whole World, and managed his career perfectly. The fact that he never showed up for some dead rubber games, or money making friedlies was probably instigated by the MUFC management, and they were probably right.

[City123]

I said they would obviously rather play for England. Surely you're not doubting that?

They are denying Welsh players (some who only qualify for Wales) a cap for their country, it's not right however you want to dress it up.

Ryan Giggs played every meaningful game for Wales he could. He is the most decorated Welsh player in history, one of the most decorated in the whole World, and managed his career perfectly. The fact that he never showed up for some dead rubber games, or money making friedlies was probably instigated by the MUFC management, and they were probably right.

Surely a "proper Welshman" would jump at the chance to represent his country at every opportunity?

[G rangetown Blue]

Surely a "proper Welshman" would jump at the chance to represent his country at every opportunity?

He did, when he was given the opportunity. Sir Alex picked his games for him unfortunately.

[Pearcey3]

My thoughts on this are (very) well documented.

If a player isn't good enough to be picked for His own country, then why would he / should he, take the place of a Welsh player in their national team.

Obviously, Williams and Vokes would love to play for England, but were not good enough, so (some might say) selfishly play for Wales.

I understand the point but Williams has proven himself to be good enough to play for England. Let’s be honest Williams chose to play for Wales at a time the national team was a mess. So I don’t think he has been selfish. He has been far more committed than someone like Giggs.

[joecity]

understand the point but Williams has proven himself to be good enough to play for England. Let’s be honest Williams chose to play for Wales at a time the national team was a mess. So I don’t think he has been selfish. He has been far more committed than someone like Giggs.

Cant y Cant.

[G rangetown Blue]

I understand the point but Williams has proven himself to be good enough to play for England. Let’s be honest Williams chose to play for Wales at a time the national team was a mess. So I don’t think he has been selfish. He has been far more committed than someone like Giggs.

Good enough for England? He's been brutally exposed since tippy tappy football ended!

[Pearcey3]

Good enough for England? He's been brutally exposed since tippy tappy football ended!

This is an England team that routinely get humiliated in major finals. Yeah right.