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Wales-Bales
18-07-19, 22:02
Do you like them bent or straight?

Mrs Steve R
18-07-19, 22:19
Do you like them bent or straight?
What happened to Bananaman? :hehe:

life on mars
19-07-19, 11:41
Do you like them bent or straight?

It doesn't matter what we say or think, big brother decides these matters along with chocolate and Jaffa's


Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas, sometimes referred to in the media as the bendy banana law, is a European Union regulation specifying classification standards for bananas, which took effect on 1 January 1995.
Amended by: Commission Regulation (EC) No. ...
Came into force: 1995-01-01
Date made: 1994 16 September
Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 - Wikipedia

And Jaffa's
The product's classification as a cake or biscuit was part of a VAT tribunal in 1991, with the court finding in McVitie's favour that the Jaffa cake should be considered a cake for tax purposes. In 2012 they were ranked the best selling cake or biscuit in the United Kingdom.


EU bureaucrats might not consider British chocolate the real thing – they want to rename it 'vegelate' or 'milk chocolate with a high milk content'

RonnieBird
19-07-19, 14:55
It doesn't matter what we say or think, big brother decides these matters along with chocolate and Jaffa's


Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas, sometimes referred to in the media as the bendy banana law, is a European Union regulation specifying classification standards for bananas, which took effect on 1 January 1995.
Amended by: Commission Regulation (EC) No. ...
Came into force: 1995-01-01
Date made: 1994 16 September
Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 - Wikipedia

And Jaffa's
The product's classification as a cake or biscuit was part of a VAT tribunal in 1991, with the court finding in McVitie's favour that the Jaffa cake should be considered a cake for tax purposes. In 2012 they were ranked the best selling cake or biscuit in the United Kingdom.


EU bureaucrats might not consider British chocolate the real thing – they want to rename it 'vegelate' or 'milk chocolate with a high milk content'


I'm trying not to post on anything except football at the moment because if I do I get trolled by wierdos who think I'm Wales Bales, but I must say that this is interesting because the QI programme, which is another example of the BBC using light entertainment as a propoganda weapon , did a whole feature about how the banana rule doesn't exist according to fat boy cheque fraud Fry and his smirking assistants .

Heisenberg
19-07-19, 15:43
I'm trying not to post on anything except football at the moment because if I do I get trolled by wierdos who think I'm Wales Bales, but I must say that this is interesting because the QI programme, which is another example of the BBC using light entertainment as a propoganda weapon , did a whole feature about how the banana rule doesn't exist according to fat boy cheque fraud Fry and his smirking assistants .

The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!

life on mars has just stated that there's a regulation about the quality of bananas which has been referred to as the 'bendy banana law' (which it is referred to as, due to the fact that a lot of people think that it's a ban on bendy bananas - which it obviously isn't).

life on mars
19-07-19, 17:32
The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!

life on mars has just stated that there's a regulation about the quality of bananas which has been referred to as the 'bendy banana law' (which it is referred to as, due to the fact that a lot of people think that it's a ban on bendy bananas - which it obviously isn't).

Fun though .

Those evil federalists, should leave our bendy ,chocolate jaffa , bananas alone .

Come on Boris save our Bananas.

RonnieBird
19-07-19, 18:48
The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!

life on mars has just stated that there's a regulation about the quality of bananas which has been referred to as the 'bendy banana law' (which it is referred to as, due to the fact that a lot of people think that it's a ban on bendy bananas - which it obviously isn't).



Well, given the contraversy, I've just looked it up ,and it most definitely does exist , including a clause that they must not be bent at an unacceptable angle .
I'm far more concerned myself with the EU deals to buy crappy South and central bananas which lost thousands of jobs in South Wales and Essex as well as shutting down the economy in Jamaica and other former colonies which supported us when we were at war with the countries leading the EU.
I'd love to see these industries and jobs restored by Brexit , but I'm straying into politics and that'll get me trolled.

In any case, as far as I can establish the said rule / regulation does exist , so I'm interested why you think it doesn't .

Heisenberg
19-07-19, 20:25
Well, given the contraversy, I've just looked it up ,and it most definitely does exist , including a clause that they must not be bent at an unacceptable angle .
I'm far more concerned myself with the EU deals to buy crappy South and central bananas which lost thousands of jobs in South Wales and Essex as well as shutting down the economy in Jamaica and other former colonies which supported us when we were at war with the countries leading the EU.
I'd love to see these industries and jobs restored by Brexit , but I'm straying into politics and that'll get me trolled.

In any case, as far as I can establish the said rule / regulation does exist , so I'm interested why you think it doesn't .

'Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.

Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwall

Hope that helps.

RonnieBird
19-07-19, 21:41
'Bananas have always been classified by quality and size for international trade. Because the standards, set by individual governments and the industry, were confusing, the European Commission was asked to draw up new rules.

Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be “free from malformation or abnormal curvature”. Those sold as “extra class” must be perfect, “class 1” can have “slight defects of shape” and “class 2” can have full-scale “defects of shape”.

Nothing is banned under the regulation, which sets grading rules requested by industry to make sure importers – including UK wholesalers and supermarkets – know exactly what they will be getting when they order a box of bananas.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-launches-the-vote-leave-battlebus-in-cornwall

Hope that helps.



Well, whilst that's most informative, you've explained why you think the regulation is necessary, which is fair enough, except that it wasn't quite what I asked, was it ?

You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't .

It's not a huge point. As I said earlier, I'm far more concerned by the EU regulations putting Britain and Jamaica at a disadvantage in terms of jobs and the economy , ( and quality too incidentally) , than I am by the quality control measures in force.

Actually though, such matters used to be settled between growers , shippers, retailers and customers rather than employing battalions of clerks to define and enforce the quality of products. As long as they're of sufficient quality to be safe for human consumption, the quality of the product will set the price and vice versa.

It's quite typical of that organisation to want to unnecessarily involve itself and its publicly funded employees in matters which they have no need to, nor business to interfere with .

By the way, you seemed a bit annoyed in your last reply, but I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - just stating an opinion which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with, and which I shall respect whether or not it coincides with my own.

jon1959
20-07-19, 18:11
Well, whilst that's most informative, you've explained why you think the regulation is necessary, which is fair enough, except that it wasn't quite what I asked, was it ?

You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't .

It's not a huge point. As I said earlier, I'm far more concerned by the EU regulations putting Britain and Jamaica at a disadvantage in terms of jobs and the economy , ( and quality too incidentally) , than I am by the quality control measures in force.

Actually though, such matters used to be settled between growers , shippers, retailers and customers rather than employing battalions of clerks to define and enforce the quality of products. As long as they're of sufficient quality to be safe for human consumption, the quality of the product will set the price and vice versa.

It's quite typical of that organisation to want to unnecessarily involve itself and its publicly funded employees in matters which they have no need to, nor business to interfere with .

By the way, you seemed a bit annoyed in your last reply, but I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - just stating an opinion which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with, and which I shall respect whether or not it coincides with my own.


Wasn't this in response to requests to define standards from the industry and national agriculture/farming ministers?

lardy
20-07-19, 19:29
"You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't ."

No, he originally said the regulation doesn't exist in the way that many people think it does.

RonnieBird
20-07-19, 21:01
"You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't ."

No, he originally said the regulation doesn't exist in the way that many people think it does.


He said,
"The "rule" that everyone thinks is the regulation doesn't actually exist though... that's the myth!"

- matters not. Nothing worth arguing about.

RonnieBird
20-07-19, 21:03
Wasn't this in response to requests to define standards from the industry and national agriculture/farming ministers?



Well it may well have been, but they too are part of this insatiable State / EU monster which seeks to insert itself into every corner of human activity and commerce so that it gets a share of everything.

Wales-Bales
20-07-19, 21:37
Well it may well have been, but they too are part of this insatiable State / EU monster which seeks to insert itself into every corner of human activity and commerce so that it gets a share of everything.
True socialism :biggrin:

RonnieBird
20-07-19, 23:40
https://youtu.be/XMl6HnhFFIA

Here's secret video of the EU Banana Committee working out the rules

life on mars
21-07-19, 16:18
Well, given the contraversy, I've just looked it up ,and it most definitely does exist , including a clause that they must not be bent at an unacceptable angle .
I'm far more concerned myself with the EU deals to buy crappy South and central bananas which lost thousands of jobs in South Wales and Essex as well as shutting down the economy in Jamaica and other former colonies which supported us when we were at war with the countries leading the EU.
I'd love to see these industries and jobs restored by Brexit , but I'm straying into politics and that'll get me trolled.

In any case, as far as I can establish the said rule / regulation does exist , so I'm interested why you think it doesn't .

oh dear dont upset them ,you end up being accused of being a Boris fan

life on mars
21-07-19, 16:24
True socialism :biggrin:

Nanny state I remember the old Blair /Brown axis being labeled that by the evil Tories , but to be fair it was nowhere as mad as the federal bureau of Europe rulings , isn't the modern Labour party anti federalists ???? , I cant keep up with the revolving door ,or whcih fence there on ?

RonnieBird
21-07-19, 22:03
Well none of them have much to do with the ideas which their parties used to be committed to.
The two sides now are those who support globalism versus those who want to retain more traditional values of nationhood , individual freedoms and competitive economies.

RonnieBird
22-07-19, 16:42
Nutcase stalking troll making false allegation of dual identity - shock !

life on mars
23-07-19, 18:13
Nutcase stalking troll making false allegation of dual identity - shock !

There's very few standalone single identities left , don' t let them drag you down , they have identities everywhere, that even disagree with each other .

Eric Cartman
28-07-19, 10:52
Well, whilst that's most informative, you've explained why you think the regulation is necessary, which is fair enough, except that it wasn't quite what I asked, was it ?

You originally said that the regulation didn't exist, but it does so I asked you why you thought it didn't .

It's not a huge point. As I said earlier, I'm far more concerned by the EU regulations putting Britain and Jamaica at a disadvantage in terms of jobs and the economy , ( and quality too incidentally) , than I am by the quality control measures in force.

Actually though, such matters used to be settled between growers , shippers, retailers and customers rather than employing battalions of clerks to define and enforce the quality of products. As long as they're of sufficient quality to be safe for human consumption, the quality of the product will set the price and vice versa.

It's quite typical of that organisation to want to unnecessarily involve itself and its publicly funded employees in matters which they have no need to, nor business to interfere with .

By the way, you seemed a bit annoyed in your last reply, but I'm not trying to be nasty or anything - just stating an opinion which you're perfectly welcome to disagree with, and which I shall respect whether or not it coincides with my own.

Have you always been concerned about Jamaica or is this a recent thing?

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 12:14
Of course I've always been concerned about Jamaica as well as other many countries with a long historical connection with ours, but whose economies don't get the boost from British trade which they deserve, and which also benefit us.

I'd have to say specifically that anyone connected with South Wales who wasn't both knowledgeable and concerned about trade with the West Indies isn't well informed , since it was a huge part of the local economy and employment for decades. Obviously though, I mention Jamaica here specifically because the subject is bananas, and the banana trade was a big part of the trade between South Wales and the Commonwealth. Had it been oil, I'd have spoken of Trinidad, which I've also always been concerned about.

Of course I'm primarily concerned with the interests of the U.K, but where it's possible to benefit other countries in the course of trade and exchange we should put that in the direction of people who have been loyal friends in the past rather than those who have historically tried to invade and enslave us .

If you've been to the West Indies, you'll be aware that society there is still very British "themed" and they are very hurt that we've turned to our common former enemies as preferential trading partners.

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 16:47
What part of East Anglia are you from? I only ask as you seem to have such a rudimentary grasp of agricultural trade and particularly the causes of the demise of Jamaican (and more generally ACP banana production and exports) that perhaps you come from a more urban part of that wonderful region?

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 17:02
No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 17:20
No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking

No problem. The EU had an agreement with its former colonial countries that allowed preferential trade into the EU. This was called the Lome Agreement. The US (under lobbying pressure from Chiquita who grow no bananas in the US but have extensive interests in Latin America) challenged Lome at the WTO and won. The EU responded by trying its best to defend the African Caribbean Pacific Countries most effected but the US challenged again and won. The EU had to significantly revise its banana regime as a consequence. The cheaper dollar banana from Latin America as a consequence of US pressure decimated the Caribbean industry in economies far more dependent than Jamaica such as the Windward Islands. The EU scrambled to install a regime that at least alleviated some of this damage that was WTO compatible whilst also brokering a compromise with the US. The Cotonou agreement that replaced Lome gives significant funding to the affected countries and their producers that tries to soften the impact of US commercial aggression. The key reason why (if you lived in South Wales) you won't see many Geest/Fyffes bananas landing in South Wales ports.

What do yo farm in East Anglia by the way? I have a reasonable understanding of the agricultural sector in that area and how it operates that we can chat about?

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 17:40
No problem. The EU had an agreement with its former colonial countries that allowed preferential trade into the EU. This was called the Lome Agreement. The US (under lobbying pressure from Chiquita who grow no bananas in the US but have extensive interests in Latin America) challenged Lome at the WTO and won. The EU responded by trying its best to defend the African Caribbean Pacific Countries most effected but the US challenged again and won. The EU had to significantly revise its banana regime as a consequence. The cheaper dollar banana from Latin America as a consequence of US pressure decimated the Caribbean industry in economies far more dependent than Jamaica such as the Windward Islands. The EU scrambled to install a regime that at least alleviated some of this damage that was WTO compatible whilst also brokering a compromise with the US. The Cotonou agreement that replaced Lome gives significant funding to the affected countries and their producers that tries to soften the impact of US commercial aggression. The key reason why (if you lived in South Wales) you won't see many Geest/Fyffes bananas landing in South Wales ports.

What do yo farm in East Anglia by the way? I have a reasonable understanding of the agricultural sector in that area and how it operates that we can chat about?
Thinly veiled 'I don't believe you' post imo :hehe:

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 17:45
Thinly veiled 'I don't believe you' post imo :hehe:

Interesting interjection on Ronnie's behalf. Still it might give him a bit of time to work out (sorry remember) what kind of holding he had and how much he was generating in agricultural subsidies.

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 17:53
Interesting interjection on Ronnie's behalf. Still it might give him a bit of time to work out (sorry remember) what kind of holding he had and how much he was generating in agricultural subsidies.
Interesting take on a little joke that I would make to anyone on the forum :shrug::hehe:

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 17:57
Interesting take on a little joke that I would make to anyone on the forum :shrug::hehe:

The last 25 seem to be almost exclusively on Farmer Ronnie's or WB posts but I take your point :shrug:

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 18:07
The last 25 seem to be almost exclusively on Farmer Ronnie's or WB posts but I take your point :shrug:
:hehe: On WB's maybe but not Farmer Ronnie, although the one thread was about both of them so I dunno if that counts :shrug::hehe:

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 18:15
:hehe: On WB's maybe but not Farmer Ronnie, although the one thread was about both of them so I dunno if that counts :shrug::hehe:

Yeah fair enough. I got so confused by this multiple id ying and yang and both Ronnie and WB offering to meet in Beddau with duelling laptops that when I decided to spend a bit more time here I thought the easiest way back in was to ignore some of the historical noise and just chat to Farmer Ronnie. Just have to see what crops (pun intended) up I suppose!

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 18:22
Yeah fair enough. I got so confused by this multiple id ying and yang and both Ronnie and WB offering to meet in Beddau with duelling laptops that when I decided to spend a bit more time here I thought the easiest way back in was to ignore some of the historical noise and just chat to Farmer Ronnie. Just have to see what crops (pun intended) up I suppose!
:hehe:
I'm always at work these days so I don't have time to read all the threads, I'm pretty sure I'm more confused than you :hehe:

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 20:34
No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking

Anyway, Farmer Ronnie. Good to know that Defra's rural broadband initiative has given you the ability to seamlessly post even from a very rural location. Must admit I was pretty jealous when you said you used to own a fairly big farm in the most prosperous agricultural region of the UK. What were you growing? I have contacts with quite a few of the producer organisations in that neck of the woods so we might have more in common than a shared love for Cardiff City

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 21:41
No problem. The EU had an agreement with its former colonial countries that allowed preferential trade into the EU. This was called the Lome Agreement. The US (under lobbying pressure from Chiquita who grow no bananas in the US but have extensive interests in Latin America) challenged Lome at the WTO and won. The EU responded by trying its best to defend the African Caribbean Pacific Countries most effected but the US challenged again and won. The EU had to significantly revise its banana regime as a consequence. The cheaper dollar banana from Latin America as a consequence of US pressure decimated the Caribbean industry in economies far more dependent than Jamaica such as the Windward Islands. The EU scrambled to install a regime that at least alleviated some of this damage that was WTO compatible whilst also brokering a compromise with the US. The Cotonou agreement that replaced Lome gives significant funding to the affected countries and their producers that tries to soften the impact of US commercial aggression. The key reason why (if you lived in South Wales) you won't see many Geest/Fyffes bananas landing in South Wales ports.

What do yo farm in East Anglia by the way? I have a reasonable understanding of the agricultural sector in that area and how it operates that we can chat about?



In essence you agree then that leaving the EU would allow us to reinstate trade with Jamaica.
As I said I'm retired so I don't farm anything any more. Since you appear so interested though I farmed cattle and other livestock in Scotland when I did farm. I saw few banana boats in either place , although I did see a lot of lorries from the South Wales and Bristol when I lived in Dunmow in Essex.

I don't know why I'd want to chat about agriculture in East Anglia with you or vice Versa, but since you're trying to test me it's mainly corn and food crops with a high concentration of sugar beet and around the fens a lot of pumpkins recently. Most small farms here have been absorbed by firms like Pickavers so I don't know many small farmers and of course there's no reason why I should .

I've no idea why so many people here are so paranoid and think everyone is lying and involving themselves in strange intricate conspiracies to mislead people they've never met and never will.

It's getting very tiresome you know. Actually, the only reason I filled out the details on that profile was to discourage nutters from engaging in their peculiar counter intelligence games, but now it seems to have caused more trouble !

What's wrong with you ? Is it so remarkable that someone lives in East Anglia and used to own a farm ? I've actually done other stuff too during my life and lived in a lot of places since I watched the Geest Bay and Geest Port shunting in and out of the docks down there.
I might be wrong but I don't remember Fyfees coming in there at all.
That was a long time ago though and it doesn't matter any more than your half arsed Sherlock Holmes interrogation. Please grow up.

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 21:53
Anyway, Farmer Ronnie. Good to know that Defra's rural broadband initiative has given you the ability to seamlessly post even from a very rural location. Must admit I was pretty jealous when you said you used to own a fairly big farm in the most prosperous agricultural region of the UK. What were you growing? I have contacts with quite a few of the producer organisations in that neck of the woods so we might have more in common than a shared love for Cardiff City


It's East Anglia not Peru ! We've got electricity in a lot of places here now too.
I know some people moan about their internet connections, which you've probably read somewhere about politicians promising broad band fibre connections ( whatever they are) to outlying areas , but most places here have most modern conveniences and certainly sufficient Internet connections for domestic purposes.
There are numerous RAF and USAF bases here housing all the latest and most sophisticated weapons and systems and they control the drones which perform missions in Afganistan and the Mid East, so don't you think we've got phone lines, Sky , BT etc ?

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 21:59
Thinly veiled 'I don't believe you' post imo :hehe:



It's not even thinly veiled. It's plain bloody rude in fact.
I posted back to him, but I'm perfectly on the level - I only reply to your post there because you seem to be a sane person !

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 22:04
In essence you agree then that leaving the EU would allow us to reinstate trade with Jamaica.
As I said I'm retired so I don't farm anything any more. Since you appear so interested though I farmed cattle and other livestock in Scotland when I did farm. I saw few banana boats in either place , although I did see a lot of lorries from the South Wales and Bristol when I lived in Dunmow in Essex.

I don't know why I'd want to chat about agriculture in East Anglia with you or vice Versa, but since you're trying to test me it's mainly corn and food crops with a high concentration of sugar beet and around the fens a lot of pumpkins recently. Most small farms here have been absorbed by firms like Pickavers so I don't know many small farmers and of course there's no reason why I should .

I've no idea why so many people here are so paranoid and think everyone is lying and involving themselves in strange intricate conspiracies to mislead people they've never met and never will.

It's getting very tiresome you know. Actually, the only reason I filled out the details on that profile was to discourage nutters from engaging in their peculiar counter intelligence games, but now it seems to have caused more trouble !

What's wrong with you ? Is it so remarkable that someone lives in East Anglia and used to own a farm ? I've actually done other stuff too during my life and lived in a lot of places since I watched the Geest Bay and Geest Port shunting in and out of the docks down there.
I might be wrong but I don't remember Fyfees coming in there at all.
That was a long time ago though and it doesn't matter any more than your half arsed Sherlock Holmes interrogation. Please grow up.

I don't know how you concluded that the Jamaican banana industry decimated by the US lobbying on behalf of the US company Chiquita would somehow rise from the ashes post hard Brexit but then again I guess there is quite a bit about agriculture you are still wrestling with.

Still, I have a little familiarity with cattle (and other livestock industry) and regularly liaised with our devolved colleagues. Those animal id regulations must have been a real bind. I say as one who had some oversight for the regulatory regime.

I fully understand your angst about people thinking you are a 6ft 4 inch white rabbit called Harvey who hangs around with Wales Bales. I just want to talk agriculture with you!

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 22:05
I only just noticed that I've never said anything about farming here, so mad Cyril must have been studying my profile to get hold of that. I think that says it all

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 22:07
No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture.
I must say that I've never grown bananas - very few people seem to round here actually, even in the rural parts.
Perhaps you could explain where I'm going wrong in my thinking

Just realised I never said anything about farming:sherlock:

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 22:28
It's not even thinly veiled. It's plain bloody rude in fact.
I posted back to him, but I'm perfectly on the level - I only reply to your post there because you seem to be a sane person !
:hehe: Give it time :thumbup:

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 22:34
:hehe: Give it time :thumbup:

286 posts in and he hasn't sussed you yet:-)

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 22:40
286 posts in and he hasn't sussed you yet:-)
If he can think for himself maybe he will never think I'm a loon :thumbup::hehe:

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 22:46
If he can think for himself maybe he will never think I'm a loon :thumbup::hehe:

To be fair I am quite surprised that you had any involvement in a thread entitled "Bananas" but then again what do I know?

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 22:54
To be fair I am quite surprised that you had any involvement in a thread entitled "Bananas" but then again what do I know?
Not as much as you think you do? :-)

cyril evans awaydays
28-07-19, 23:00
Not as much as you think you do? :-)

That's why I'm waiting for Farmer Ronnie to fill in the gaps.

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 23:07
That's why I'm waiting for Farmer Ronnie to fill in the gaps.
The plot thickens...:hehe:

RonnieBird
28-07-19, 23:19
I don't know how you concluded that the Jamaican banana industry decimated by the US lobbying on behalf of the US company Chiquita would somehow rise from the ashes post hard Brexit but then again I guess there is quite a bit about agriculture you are still wrestling with.

Still, I have a little familiarity with cattle (and other livestock industry) and regularly liaised with our devolved colleagues. Those animal id regulations must have been a real bind. I say as one who had some oversight for the regulatory regime.

I fully understand your angst about people thinking you are a 6ft 4 inch white rabbit called Harvey who hangs around with Wales Bales. I just want to talk agriculture with you!

Oh, you're a WB nutter are you ?
For what it's worth I'm sure you know bugger all about farming, but I don't care. You're actually sitting there persisting with your stupid little theory that I'm WB and now you're trying to catch me out because you're determined that you couldn't have been wrong .
Seriously, mate, if you think I'm WB or you think I'm a Martian I don't care.
You've got to be some kind of nut case for it to even occur to you to start investigating people on a football message board .

If you care for some reason read my profile. It's general for obvious reasons, but it's perfectly accurate and if you don't believe that I don't care.

Mrs Steve R
28-07-19, 23:26
Oh, you're a WB nutter are you ?
For what it's worth I'm sure you know bugger all about farming, but I don't care. You're actually sitting there persisting with your stupid little theory that I'm WB and now you're trying to catch me out because you're determined that you couldn't have been wrong .
Seriously, mate, if you think I'm WB or you think I'm a Martian I don't care.
You've got to be some kind of nut case for it to even occur to you to start investigating people on a football message board .

If you care for some reason read my profile. It's general for obvious reasons, but it's perfectly accurate and if you don't believe that I don't care.
I just read your profile, simply because you just mentioned it, hope that does not make me a WB nutter? :biggrin:

life on mars
29-07-19, 09:43
I worked at Cardiff Docks , and the only decent banana we imported was an Israeli one as was all their fruit in fact , which was all bonded away, its all about the quality.

I once had relatives who had a farm and i'm not RB

RonnieBird
29-07-19, 10:18
I just read your profile, simply because you just mentioned it, hope that does not make me a WB nutter? :biggrin:


No, not at all. That's what they're for.
When I joined I left it blank but then a bunch of people who don't like WB started claiming I was him. You'll have seen that I reasoned with them and I filled in the profile really to make it obvious that wasn't the case.
The reason I said he's a WB nutter is that he's trawled through that profile in order to pick up things, ( in this case the fact that I had a farm before I retired), then use them to try and catch me out. He won't because I've never lied here about myself ,WB or anything else.

Re your own comments about whether your sane, well I expect you like a laugh etc but you equally don't seem fixated on a false idea that I'm WB and you don't troll me about that all the time

RonnieBird
29-07-19, 10:30
I worked at Cardiff Docks , and the only decent banana we imported was an Israeli one as was all their fruit in fact , which was all bonded away, its all about the quality.

I once had relatives who had a farm and i'm not RB


Careful, because that nutter used to work as a filing clerk at DEFRA and he knows everyone with farms. He can start phoning farmers up in different parts of the country asking whether anyone knows a farmer called Mr LifeonMars.

He doesn't work there any more of course because he was using the office records to stalk people on message boards.

If he did start phoning farmers up asking about their neighbours I wonder how many times a day he'd be told to **** off.

On a serious note, Geest was based in the same place as Mrs Steve R rather than Cardiff, but that was many years ago.

cyril evans awaydays
29-07-19, 10:47
No, not at all. That's what they're for.
When I joined I left it blank but then a bunch of people who don't like WB started claiming I was him. You'll have seen that I reasoned with them and I filled in the profile really to make it obvious that wasn't the case.
The reason I said he's a WB nutter is that he's trawled through that profile in order to pick up things, ( in this case the fact that I had a farm before I retired), then use them to try and catch me out. He won't because I've never lied here about myself ,WB or anything else.

Re your own comments about whether your sane, well I expect you like a laugh etc but you equally don't seem fixated on a false idea that I'm WB and you don't troll me about that all the time

I know you haven't been a board member for very long so it may come as a surprise to you that on a laptop part of your profile (the bit that says you live in East Anglia) loads for each message you post. You might be even more surprised to realise that it was your post #25 where you stated "No, I'm in a very rural location and although I'm retired now I did used to own a fairly big farm, so I must have been very lucky to get away with my poor knowledge of agriculture" rather than any trawling through your profile.

You later clarified that the farm in question was not in East Anglia but a mixed livestock holding in Scotland. As someone with an interest and experience in agriculture, though more from policy rather than practical application I am happy to discuss your reflections, particularly in a thread called "Bananas".

I am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt on your assertions that you are not Wales-Bales. It would take a massive lack of self-awareness to continue with the pretence of inventing a like-minded chum and keep that going for a few weeks, even going to the length of replying on your behalf from his account. Not that I think that is beyond him but it would be very sad even for him.

Still you seem to have hit the ground running. Not that you care but I like others have WB on ignore to avoid my confusion more than anything!

RonnieBird
29-07-19, 11:48
Well that's fairly sensible and conciliatory so fair enough.
I'd forgotten that I'd mentioned that in another conversation, but if you want to take anything from it, might I suggest consistency ?

Farming to me means hard work and constant frustration since the subject arises and it's the last thing I want to chat about now I don't have to do it, particularly the form filling , grants and ear tagging parts. If you wanted to know about breeds of cattle or sheep or something that'd be different if I were in the right frame of mind, but not as part of an interrogation about whether I'm some big liar.

Now, it's true to say that bananas are a kind of farming / agriculture and in fact I've seen the groves of trees in the West Indies, but it's not anything related to agriculture in this country so of course I know no more about growing them than you do. My comments upon the subject were from a political and economic point of view.

Anyway, I'll take that post as being sensible and well meant , and in that spirit I thank you for it.

life on mars
29-07-19, 13:45
Careful, because that nutter used to work as a filing clerk at DEFRA and he knows everyone with farms. He can start phoning farmers up in different parts of the country asking whether anyone knows a farmer called Mr LifeonMars.

He doesn't work there any more of course because he was using the office records to stalk people on message boards.

If he did start phoning farmers up asking about their neighbours I wonder how many times a day he'd be told to **** off.

On a serious note, Geest was based in the same place as Mrs Steve R rather than Cardiff, but that was many years ago.

yes Geest were at Barry , but they had bonded warehouse facilities at queen Alexandra sheds and banana shipments , huge shipments of fruit from Israel , big .awful spiders in the bent bananas as well , mainly bound for M & S , big trade with the Malaysians boats in every month as well .


Loved working on the docks , ,such a vibrant time /place then with jobs and the off spins of Bute Town life .

cyril evans awaydays
29-07-19, 19:12
Well that's fairly sensible and conciliatory so fair enough.
I'd forgotten that I'd mentioned that in another conversation, but if you want to take anything from it, might I suggest consistency ?

Farming to me means hard work and constant frustration since the subject arises and it's the last thing I want to chat about now I don't have to do it, particularly the form filling , grants and ear tagging parts. If you wanted to know about breeds of cattle or sheep or something that'd be different if I were in the right frame of mind, but not as part of an interrogation about whether I'm some big liar.

Now, it's true to say that bananas are a kind of farming / agriculture and in fact I've seen the groves of trees in the West Indies, but it's not anything related to agriculture in this country so of course I know no more about growing them than you do. My comments upon the subject were from a political and economic point of view.

Anyway, I'll take that post as being sensible and well meant , and in that spirit I thank you for it.

No problem. I accept this in the same spirit that you called me a "nutter" in post #52! Anyway back to bananas. You must have been horrified to find out that the devastation of the Jamaican banana industry that you care for so passionately was mostly down to America First big business interests (give or take the odd hurricane) rather than the evil EU empire ripping up colonial roots. Have facts changed your perspective?

Wales-Bales
29-07-19, 19:29
Interesting take on a little joke that I would make to anyone on the forum :shrug::hehe:
Haha, nice joke, WB and I really appreciate your humour!

Wales-Bales
29-07-19, 19:41
I fully understand your angst about people thinking you are a 6ft 4 inch white rabbit called Harvey who hangs around with Wales Bales. I just want to talk agriculture with you!
That sounds like a decent chat up line, I'll have to try it sometime.

Mrs Steve R
29-07-19, 20:33
No, not at all. That's what they're for.
When I joined I left it blank but then a bunch of people who don't like WB started claiming I was him. You'll have seen that I reasoned with them and I filled in the profile really to make it obvious that wasn't the case.
The reason I said he's a WB nutter is that he's trawled through that profile in order to pick up things, ( in this case the fact that I had a farm before I retired), then use them to try and catch me out. He won't because I've never lied here about myself ,WB or anything else.

Re your own comments about whether your sane, well I expect you like a laugh etc but you equally don't seem fixated on a false idea that I'm WB and you don't troll me about that all the time
I don't care who anyone is, answer the post not the poster :thumbup:


Haha, nice joke, WB and I really appreciate your humour!
:shrug::hehe:

Wales-Bales
29-07-19, 20:44
I don't care who anyone is, answer the post not the poster :thumbup:


:shrug::hehe:
Sorry it was a slip of the finger, R and W are very close together on an ASCII keyboard, I meant to say RB and I really appreciate your humour!

Mrs Steve R
29-07-19, 20:56
Sorry it was a slip of the finger, R and W are very close together on an ASCII keyboard, I meant to say RB and I really appreciate your humour!
:hehe:

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 00:29
No problem. I accept this in the same spirit that you called me a "nutter" in post #52! Anyway back to bananas. You must have been horrified to find out that the devastation of the Jamaican banana industry that you care for so passionately was mostly down to America First big business interests (give or take the odd hurricane) rather than the evil EU empire ripping up colonial roots. Have facts changed your perspective?


Well I apologise for calling you a nutter, but in fairness you were pretty much calling me a liar at the time, so let's just draw a line under it.
Now, you take a particular view of the matter of Jamaican bananas and whilst I don't necessarily agree I can't see anything to be gained from debating it so far after the events. The fact remains that at this point in time it would be quite possible in a post Brexit market to rebuild both the Jamaican banana industry and our trading relationship with that country.
Having said this, my point was rather wider than just Jamaica and included all commonwealth countries - I think I specifically mentioned the oil refinery in Trinidad , but I think I also said that I could think of many other examples.

You refer to the "evil EU empire" , but that's not really the point here. In point of fact I would regard that phrase as quite apt since you raise the matter, and I would expect that you would not. I do hope that discussion of that question will soon be one of historic and acedemic interest only, but that's for another day.

I think the more pressing issue is the future of world trade as far as Britain is concerned, since we are in my opinion going to be leaving the EU one way or another, and it's only a matter of how much more fuss there'll be before that happens .

It's only to be expected if you're a former civil servant that you'd take a certain view of present and previous policies and stances, but they are all essentially political aspirations , whether they arose in truth from politicians or Whitehall mandarins. Of course they are backed with rational sounding justifications because so many are employed and given so many resources to produce them.

In fact it's a very civil service thing to quote previous postings with numerical references to prove points, and I don't knock you for that- I merely note it to demonstrate that you may come from a particular angle because justifying public policy is probably as habit forming as anything else.

However, and given that such policies are fundamentally political , they don't often correspond with the realities or practicalities of the world . Politics don't solve problems you see, they nurture them because they are the raw materials with which they manipulate the public consciousness to produce personal advancement and power.

It's no good then writing essays which justify such policies or protect the reputations of the people and departments who produced them because that can only perpetuate the harm they have done in the real world and impede the solutions . At some point we must DO something to take advantage of the opportunities which Brexit will provide because simply predicting various doomsday scenarios about it won't get us anywhere.

So, whether your post was fact, opinion , spin or a mixture, no it hasn't changed my perspective upon a much wider issue which is actually more about nationalism than economics , but nonetheless presents huge economic and social benefits to Britain and its people.

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 00:32
Haha, nice joke, WB and I really appreciate your humour!

Very good, but I don't know whether that'll work a second time WB.

cyril evans awaydays
30-07-19, 09:03
Very good, but I don't know whether that'll work a second time WB.

I don't know. One minute you are bemoaning anyone who accuses you of being an echo account and saying how tedious it is and the next minute you think its all a jolly jape when the person in question starts some predictably self-indulgent games. Is this the self-proclaimed consistency you seem so proud of, #54 if you need a quick reference.

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 11:00
Now come on, you're either one of the WB conspiracists or you're not. You can't have it both ways.

WB is a very naughty man and the way he's chosen to taunt the local nutters has also been a nuisance to me.

What I'm saying there is that this isn't the first time he's made a 'deliberate mistake ' knowing that those with an IQ below room temperature will think they've spotted a clue which proves what he wants them to believe.
I can't be bothered to find that previous comment and give you the number, but I'm sure you can look it up.

Thing is though, I've got a sense of humour and I therefore can't help chuckling inwardly at the way he's pulling some peoples chains even though I suffer the collateral damage from his shenanigans.

cyril evans awaydays
30-07-19, 14:18
Now come on, you're either one of the WB conspiracists or you're not. You can't have it both ways.

WB is a very naughty man and the way he's chosen to taunt the local nutters has also been a nuisance to me.

What I'm saying there is that this isn't the first time he's made a 'deliberate mistake ' knowing that those with an IQ below room temperature will think they've spotted a clue which proves what he wants them to believe.
I can't be bothered to find that previous comment and give you the number, but I'm sure you can look it up.

Thing is though, I've got a sense of humour and I therefore can't help chuckling inwardly at the way he's pulling some peoples chains even though I suffer the collateral damage from his shenanigans.

Might come as a shock but expressing drooling admiration on a message board may not be everybody's definition of chuckling inwardly.

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 14:25
I'll have to risk it then. I'll mark you down as a WB detective then , after all. Everyone needs a hobby.

cyril evans awaydays
30-07-19, 14:43
I'll have to risk it then. I'll mark you down as a WB detective then , after all. Everyone needs a hobby.

I wouldn't call sycophancy a hobby myself but if you are comfortable sucking up to someone who many feel is a bit of a self-obsessed irritant I certainly won't get in your way!

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 14:57
I don't judge people by what others say. I make my own mind up.

In any case I might well disagree with WB once I know what his opinions are. I haven't sat there trawling through anyone's previous posts as you appear to have done.
All I know about him is this issue of me being an alleged clone of him, and the fact that he's clearly about twice as intelligent as the gang who appear to hound him, based upon the way he's run rings round them on the matter.

I don't know what the name Wales Bales means actually - is it a reference to cricket or Gareth Bale ?

I'll tell you this much objectively, he's having a bloody good laugh at you and the other pack of dogs barking up the wrong tree and putting so much effort into it. He's also not the one stalking me like a lunatic and trying to do subtle interrogations to reveal something that's simply not there

cyril evans awaydays
30-07-19, 15:46
I don't judge people by what others say. I make my own mind up.

In any case I might well disagree with WB once I know what his opinions are. I haven't sat there trawling through anyone's previous posts as you appear to have done.
All I know about him is this issue of me being an alleged clone of him, and the fact that he's clearly about twice as intelligent as the gang who appear to hound him, based upon the way he's run rings round them on the matter.

I don't know what the name Wales Bales means actually - is it a reference to cricket or Gareth Bale ?

I'll tell you this much objectively, he's having a bloody good laugh at you and the other pack of dogs barking up the wrong tree and putting so much effort into it. He's also not the one stalking me like a lunatic and trying to do subtle interrogations to reveal something that's simply not there

Ouch. Not only do you share a similar educational background as you previously stated but a similar thinness of skin. You would have thought wandering the highlands of a bleak winter's night looking for a lost Aberdeen Angus would have toughened the hide but it would appear over-sensitivity abounds!

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 16:35
Interestingly enough, and I know you said you're interested in chatting about farming, cattle are in sheds during the winter and Anguses don't tend to wander from the herd. Surprisingly enough you keep them in enclosed fields during the summer so they'd rarely have the opportunity, and you wouldn't know if that happened during the night.
If you lost one they'd all follow and I can assure you that someone would let you know about it very quickly.

I think you must be thinking of little bo peep and her sheep or something.

In any case, I only had the farm after I'd retired because I was a very different kind of civil servant myself for a long time and then a lawyer before I endulged myself with what I thought would be an idyllic life on a farm. There you are, there's two more things you can question me on !

I don't think I'm thin skinned either actually. Perhaps you're over estimating how much I give a **** about the antics of the amateur sleuths desperately trying to prove that black is white ? It's an amusing diversion , that's all really. In a sense I'm perpetuating it by arguing I suppose.

cyril evans awaydays
30-07-19, 16:55
Interestingly enough, and I know you said you're interested in chatting about farming, cattle are in sheds during the winter and Anguses don't tend to wander from the herd. Surprisingly enough you keep them in enclosed fields during the summer so they'd rarely have the opportunity, and you wouldn't know if that happened during the night.
If you lost one they'd all follow and I can assure you that someone would let you know about it very quickly.

I think you must be thinking of little bo peep and her sheep or something.

In any case, I only had the farm after I'd retired because I was a very different kind of civil servant myself for a long time and then a lawyer before I endulged myself with what I thought would be an idyllic life on a farm. There you are, there's two more things you can question me on !

I don't think I'm thin skinned either actually. Perhaps you're over estimating how much I give a **** about the antics of the amateur sleuths desperately trying to prove that black is white ? It's an amusing diversion , that's all really. In a sense I'm perpetuating it by arguing I suppose.

Guess your right. There are people in another thread who reckon all this is bullshit and you are that self-awareness lacking uberego that is Wales-Bales. I'm afraid that I might have been silly by indulging you and best to wish you well (or at least you get well)!

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 19:06
Well there are people who reckon the earth is flat. Thanks for the very rude little tirade but please don't do me any favours, and it might be better for your mental balance to stop worrying about the personal characteristics and business of people you don't know.

The fact is that you were trying to display what you considered to be your superior intellect and, drawing upon your experience as an EO in DEFRA or something, crack the case open for your daft chums. Didn't work for two reasons, your intellect isn't superior and there's no case to crack.

If you really want to think I'm the same person as WB , you might as well do that. I couldn't possibly have done more to disprove it , ( which I shouldn't have to) , and there's no logic in your erroneous theory, but you can't let it go because it shows your powers of judgement to be very weak.

Either I'm Wales Bales or you and the Cluedo Club are a bit stupid...... Well I'm afraid to tell you that I'm definitely not Wales Bales.

Eric Cartman
30-07-19, 19:31
Well there are people who reckon the earth is flat. Thanks for the very rude little tirade but please don't do me any favours, and it might be better for your mental balance to stop worrying about the personal characteristics and business of people you don't know.

The fact is that you were trying to display what you considered to be your superior intellect and, drawing upon your experience as an EO in DEFRA or something, crack the case open for your daft chums. Didn't work for two reasons, your intellect isn't superior and there's no case to crack.

If you really want to think I'm the same person as WB , you might as well do that. I couldn't possibly have done more to disprove it , ( which I shouldn't have to) , and there's no logic in your erroneous theory, but you can't let it go because it shows your powers of judgement to be very weak.

Either I'm Wales Bales or you and the Cluedo Club are a bit stupid...... Well I'm afraid to tell you that I'm definitely not Wales Bales.

I couldn't care less whether you are Walesbales but you haven't actually done anything to prove you arent him.

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 19:51
I don't know what more I could do mate. I've asked the board moderator to check, I've posted a link to an app so anyone can check I'm a long way from Wales if they don't know how to do that and I've offered a big bet to anyone except WB ( for obvious reasons).

If you've got any suggestions how I can convince the cluedo club please tell me and I'll do it.

Look, I'm just NOT him and the first I ever heard of him was when I joined this board.

Eric Cartman
30-07-19, 21:23
I don't know what more I could do mate. I've asked the board moderator to check, I've posted a link to an app so anyone can check I'm a long way from Wales if they don't know how to do that and I've offered a big bet to anyone except WB ( for obvious reasons).

If you've got any suggestions how I can convince the cluedo club please tell me and I'll do it.

Look, I'm just NOT him and the first I ever heard of him was when I joined this board.

Like I say I don't care if you are or aren't but everything you have offered can be spoofed. Usually when someone marches in offering a bet for a ridiculous amount (this is the internet, nobody trusts anyone to pay) they are lying.

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 22:40
Well I said a trusted third party could hold the money in advance. I'm not sure I mentioned a particularly ridiculous amount - wouldn't be the biggest bet I've had.

Tell you what, put £10 up and I'll offer you 100/1. What's more I'll donate your tenner to charity when I get it.

RonnieBird
30-07-19, 22:41
P.s. Loser to apologise publicly here

RonnieBird
31-07-19, 10:35
:hehe: you're desperate, sad act


Put your money up then. Let's make it £100 in your case and I'll give you 10/1. That's £1000 if you're right.

Wales-Bales
31-07-19, 12:39
:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:you really, really are a sad little man
I'll give you 1000/1 !!! :hehe:

RonnieBird
31-07-19, 13:42
:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:you really, really are a sad little man

I wonder whether you speak like that to people's faces

Wales-Bales
31-07-19, 18:27
I wonder whether you speak like that to people's faces
You're not a card-carrying socialist if you don't play the man :thumbup:

RonnieBird
15-08-19, 15:59
Here's a new opportunity with disease effecting Cavendish bananas because Jamaica grows many varieties, including red ones which we can start shipping in to South Wales ports immediately after Brexit !

RonnieBird
15-08-19, 15:59
I recommend the red ones

life on mars
15-08-19, 18:45
Here's a new opportunity with disease effecting Cavendish bananas because Jamaica grows many varieties, including red ones which we can start shipping in to South Wales ports immediately after Brexit !

South Wales docks used too ship in tons of bananas ,
all shapes and sizes , from all over the world , happy times , worryjng times where we may lose the expertise of europhiles to safely guide our consumption habits .

cyril evans awaydays
15-08-19, 19:06
South Wales docks used too ship in tons of bananas ,
all shapes and sizes , from all over the world , happy times , worryjng times where we may lose the expertise of europhiles to safely guide our consumption habits .

South Wales docks used to ship loads of coal. Just like bananas not for a number of years. For the confused like me can you explain what this has anything to do with Europe?

RonnieBird
15-08-19, 19:35
South Wales docks used to ship loads of coal. Just like bananas not for a number of years. For the confused like me can you explain what this has anything to do with Europe?


Have done once. In short we won't be restricted to banana imports from countries the EU have deals with, or their comfy arrangement where everything has to come and go through German docks.