Ali vs Tyson in their prime

[ZZ Jack]

Rocky Marciano.

Had a well documented one punch fight with an Australian service man in The Adelphi pub in Wind Street.

[TH63]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.

[bryndon2]

Ali would have got inside Tyson's head - he wasn't mentally strong enough to deal with those sort of mind games. Maybe when his trainer was alive he would have had a chance.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Best Boxer I will always remember was Marvellous Marvin Hagler thoughCould have been the best, but he fought at the same time as Sugar Ray Leonard, the like of whom I've never seen since. The guy was a genius.

[Laz is a BLUEbird]

ali was a cleverer fighter, hence the longevity

[Harry Flashman]

Rocky Marciano.Clarence Oh there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out their ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit.

[the other bob wilson]

I reckon the Tyson of the mid 80s would have beaten the Ali of the late 70s, but the key words in the thread title are "in their prime" and it seems to me that someone like Tyson would have been made for Ali at his jab and move best in the days before he was prevented from boxing.

There have been three heavyweights in my lifetime who I thought put their opponents at risk of really serious injury. Sonny Liston was before the time I took much interest in boxing really, but he had the same sort of reputation as George Foreman did before the Rumble in the Jungle.

Foreman knocked Joe Frazier clean off his feet with one punch in this fight in 1973

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz3tPjLhw2U

and no one gave Ali a chance beforehand - just like they didn't in his first fight with Liston who he went on to beat again a few months later. The difference with Foreman was that Ali had lost some of the speed he had possessed a decade earlier, but he still worked out a way to despatch him.

Tyson was the third truly fearsome heavyweight I've seen, but I reckon Ali would have forced a stoppage somewhere around the time he did against Foreman and in his first fight with Liston.

[Captain Hindsight]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.

Tyson being as hard, tough and powerful as he was wouldn't have been able to get to Ali. Ali was a master in not only hitting you but avoiding being hit.

Very easy poll and I think only some of the younger people would have voted Tyson.

[EdinburghBlue]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.Totally agree with this. Any poster on here who is old enough to have seen both fighters in their prime, and picks Tyson, knows very little about boxing. Imo.

[Bill the Bluebird Builder]

Ali would have got inside Tyson's head - he wasn't mentally strong enough to deal with those sort of mind games. Maybe when his trainer was alive he would have had a chance.feck off liar http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/swimaway2.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/swimaway2.gif

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

Tyson was an animal.
This.Desiree Washington, perhaps ?

[kevinNugentsHead]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.
Tyson being as hard, tough and powerful as he was wouldn't have been able to get to Ali. Ali was a master in not only hitting you but avoiding being hit. Ali a master of not getting hit. You're not serious surely?

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

One of my fave boxing clips is of Joe Bugner angrily knocking out Winston Allen after Allen had headbutted him. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

FFWD to 2mins 45secs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_OMnt3YUs

[Packerman]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.
Tyson being as hard, tough and powerful as he was wouldn't have been able to get to Ali. Ali was a master in not only hitting you but avoiding being hit.
Very easy poll and I think only some of the younger people would have voted Tyson.why, in his prime before his enforced absence he was extremely hard to hit, think 64-67 not 70s, he was as fast as a middleweight with lightening hands and reflexes and quick feet, the best ever http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif him or joe louis or jack johnson, different eras but a truly great champions

[Pearcey]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.
Tyson being as hard, tough and powerful as he was wouldn't have been able to get to Ali. Ali was a master in not only hitting you but avoiding being hit.
Very easy poll and I think only some of the younger people would have voted Tyson.I don't think Tyson would have got anywhere near him.

[ian gibson]

One of my fave boxing clips is of Joe Bugner angrily knocking out Winston Allen after Allen had headbutted him. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Bugner was a decent heavyweight, unfortunately for him his days were in the golden era of heavyweight boxing. He gave Frazier a damn good fight and went the distance with Ali, gaining a lot of praise from Angelo Dundee and Ali himself. I knew Winston Allen when we were young and always found him to be a good lad, not a nasty bloke at all.

[Cardiff Bread]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.
Tyson being as hard, tough and powerful as he was wouldn't have been able to get to Ali. Ali was a master in not only hitting you but avoiding being hit. It's one of those great debates though because it can never happen http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif A bit like putting George Best against Messi and Ronaldo.

[ian gibson]

This is really easy and only people caught up in the strength of Tyson in his prime could possibly think he could touch Ali.
Tyson being as hard, tough and powerful as he was wouldn't have been able to get to Ali. Ali was a master in not only hitting you but avoiding being hit.
Very easy poll and I think only some of the younger people would have voted Tyson.
Totally agree with this. Any poster on here who is old enough to have seen both fighters in their prime, and picks Tyson, knows very little about boxing. Imo.Absolutely, the only other boxer who could match Ali's defensive skills was the great Wilfred Benitez, he could put his back on the ropes and go toe to toe and they would hardly lay a glove on him, all through head movement, Benitez and Ali were the best in the business at that style of boxing.

[Pearcey]

One of my fave boxing clips is of Joe Bugner angrily knocking out Winston Allen after Allen had headbutted him. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
FFWD to 2mins 45secsI wasn't a fan of Bugner. He did last the distance against Ali but barely threw a punch. One of my earliest sporting memories is of my dad reading the newspaper on the morning after Bugner had beaten Henry Cooper. My dad was fuming because he felt Cooper had been robbed.

[bluebirds over.......]

Ali was from a golden era of heavyweight boxers and credit to him was always willing to take on the best of them. Tyson although a throwback to a different era mainly fought washed up journeymen and bums and his first round knockouts looked spectacular but were more often than not against out of shape unknowns. Ali would be far too smart for Tyson and along with the added advantage of height and reach i think he would see him off quite comfortably.

[ian gibson]

One of my fave boxing clips is of Joe Bugner angrily knocking out Winston Allen after Allen had headbutted him. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
FFWD to 2mins 45secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_OMnt3YUs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_OMnt3YUs)The Bugner v Frazier fight is considered an all time classic, Bugner was brilliant that night.

[Pearcey]

Ali was from a golden era of heavyweight boxers and credit to him was always willing to take on the best of them. Tyson although a throwback to a different era mainly fought washed up journeymen and bums and his first round knockouts looked spectacular but were more often than not against out of shape unknowns. Ali would be far too smart for Tyson and along with the added advantage of height and reach i think he would see him off quite comfortably.That's a very good point. How many decent boxers did Tyson ever fight? Not many.

[Pearcey]

One of my fave boxing clips is of Joe Bugner angrily knocking out Winston Allen after Allen had headbutted him. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
FFWD to 2mins 45secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_OMnt3YUs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_OMnt3YUs)
Bugner was a decent heavyweight, unfortunately for him his days were in the golden era of heavyweight boxing. He gave Frazier a damn good fight and went the distance with Ali, gaining a lot of praise from Angelo Dundee and Ali himself. I knew Winston Allen when we were young and always found him to be a good lad, not a nasty bloke at all. Yes he was that night. Bugner had plenty of ability. A top notch boxer but he wasn't aggressive enough imo.

[bobh]

Most of you are forgetting that Ali, in his prime, was called Cassius Clay.
There was a small conflict in Vietnam that the US got involved in, and Clay changed his name and religion to avoid the draft.
After three years in prison, Ali was just as clever in the ring, but less mobile.
Tyson would have had a chance against this 'new' Ali, but Clay would have flattened Tyson.

[Pearcey]

Most of you are forgetting that Ali, in his prime, was called Cassius Clay.This is the point. We are talking about when they were both at their prime. Some posters may only recall an ageing Ali and not the supreme athlete at his best in the 60s

[Packerman]

Most of you are forgetting that Ali, in his prime, was called Cassius Clay.clay changed his name to ali in 64, he boxed in his prime 64-67 as ali, changing his name had nothing to do with his refusal to be drafted,

[Dr. Winston]

That's a very good point. How many decent boxers did Tyson ever fight? Not many.He beat neither Lewis nor Holyfield.

[The Penguin]

Tyson. In about 90 seconds.Personally I think he would have destroyed Tyson over 9/10 rounds, a little like Calzaghe v Lacy

[Pearcey]

That's a very good point. How many decent boxers did Tyson ever fight? Not many.
Looking through his history the only fighters he beat that are even remotely notable are Trevor Berbick, Donovan Ruddock, Frank Bruno and a nearly 40 year old Larry Holmes.Exactly and Bruno, Berbick and Ruddock were journeymen boxers who wouldn't have come close to Ali,Frazier,Foreman or Norton a decade earlier.

[Hilts]

Ali way past his best kod a prime Foreman.

That version of Ali would have easily beaten Tyson.

Ali in his prime would have humiliated Tyson and knocked him out.

Tyson kod some decent heavyweights but lost and got knocked out against the good ones.

[ian gibson]

Ali way past his best kod a prime Foreman.and some not so good ones knocked Tyson out, Danny Williams and Kevin McBride.

[gandalf1927]

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/10/why-muhammad-ali-would-b eat-tyson/ (http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/10/why-muhammad-ali-would-beat-tyson/)

[Hilts]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
think sugar ray vs duran, duran gave up as he couldn't lay a glove on sugar ray, ali vs tyson, same result I dont think there are any really disputes on the results of their 3 fights and in the most famous Frazier was stopped.

[bluebirds over.......]

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/10/why-muhammad-ali-would-b eat-tyson/ (http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/10/why-muhammad-ali-would-beat-tyson/)That is a very good write up, only wished Ali had quit while he was at the top, the defeats when he was past his best tarnished slightly his superb record.

[Pearcey]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
think sugar ray vs duran, duran gave up as he couldn't lay a glove on sugar ray, ali vs tyson, same result
I have to disagree joe Frazier beat Ali In my and others option Had Frazier's corner not thrown in the towel at the end of the 14th Ali's corner may well have done. Both fighters had apparently reached a near death situation such was the intensity of that bout.You are right Ali won it but it was incredibly close.

[ian gibson]

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/10/why-muhammad-ali-would-b eat-tyson/ (http://www.boxingnews24.com/2009/10/why-muhammad-ali-would-beat-tyson/)Just about sums it up nicely http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Cathaze Blue]

People mention Lewis and Klitschko but surely Ali's speed would have been too much for these guys despite the size? Klitschko turned like the titanic ffs

[Hilts]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
think sugar ray vs duran, duran gave up as he couldn't lay a glove on sugar ray, ali vs tyson, same result
I have to disagree joe Frazier beat Ali In my and others option
Which fight?For me prime Frazier also kos prime Tyson.

[headlight]

"Personally I think he would have destroyed Tyson over 9/10 rounds, a little like Calzaghe v Lacy"
^^^ This

headlight

[steve davies]

Tyson was an animal.
This.Tyson paid 4 million pound to Lennox Lewis to avoid facing him when both fighters were in their prime.

[Cardiff Bread]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.Maybe some of us prefer Tyson because some of us were young when Tyson was dominant and ruthless. That is part of what gets me about him - he was pure animal, as close to a street fighter as I've seen (this showed later on with his biting, I guess).

[Under the Splott-light]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
Tyson paid 4 million pound to Lennox Lewis to avoid facing him when both fighters were in their prime.For me, for pure spectacle and excitement though, Tyson was the greatest boxer of my generation.

[chris]

ali by the proverbial mile, tyson was a mauler and an animal to boot, but ali in his prime would have done exactly like he he did to foreman in 74, he would have let him punch himself out, he was too quick and too clever to get hit most of the time.

the dope on a rope tactic would have done for tyson, exactly as it did for foreman. ali was the greatest sportsman let alone greatest heavyweight of all time. his only problem was he went on too long, hence the reason he is in the state he is in today. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[steve davies]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
Tyson paid 4 million pound to Lennox Lewis to avoid facing him when both fighters were in their prime.17 May 1996 - The handlers of Mike Tyson couldn't win in court, so they paid Lennox Lewis, who agreed Thursday to step aside and let Tyson fight World ...

[steve davies]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
Tyson paid 4 million pound to Lennox Lewis to avoid facing him when both fighters were in their prime.
What year was that? I always thought Tyson was at his best early on and I can't remember Lewis being around then.Can't get the link to work properly but if you google "Tyson pays Lewis" it's there for all to see

[Under the Splott-light]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
Tyson paid 4 million pound to Lennox Lewis to avoid facing him when both fighters were in their prime.
What year was that? I always thought Tyson was at his best early on and I can't remember Lewis being around then.
Maybe some of us prefer Tyson because some of us were young when Tyson was dominant and ruthless. That is part of what gets me about him - he was pure animal, as close to a street fighter as I've seen (this showed later on with his biting, I guess).I'm not disputing that, merely pointing out that for me at least, Tyson was the most exciting fighter of my era, starting around 1985 and ending around 1990, not the greatest, the most thrilling to watch.

[steve davies]

Tyson was an animal.
This.
I just can't see how anyone could cope with Tyson in his prime.
Tyson paid 4 million pound to Lennox Lewis to avoid facing him when both fighters were in their prime.
What year was that? I always thought Tyson was at his best early on and I can't remember Lewis being around then.
Maybe some of us prefer Tyson because some of us were young when Tyson was dominant and ruthless. That is part of what gets me about him - he was pure animal, as close to a street fighter as I've seen (this showed later on with his biting, I guess).
That's pretty much it, as I mentioned earlier in the thread Tyson was by no means a 'boxer', he wasn't disciplined and he didn't have the stamina for a distance fight, but what he did have was unpredictability and the tendancy for extreme violence, he was in my opinion the most exciting of the modern age boxers, there was no way he could duke it out with the likes of Ali though, not over distance, the bloke was designed for power and short burst, like a 100m runner, up against an intelligent, patient boxer with stamina he would encounter problems, and Ali would've known exactly how to pick him off.I agree he was the most exciting heavyweight for years but avoided Lewis. It's a shame Joshua is going to struggle for credible opponents for the next few years

[chris]

tyson had no competition when he was around, pretty much like nowadays. when ali was fighting there was far more decent fighters around, and he was at at the top for over a decade.

tyson was burnt out and washed up within 3-4 years, no comparison whatsoever. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".

[Hilts]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.I don't know what giving Tyson no credit whatsoever achieves other than making you look daft for suggesting it.

[chris]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.tyson was a great fighter in HIS time, but to compare him with ali is totally laughable. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.How is it "laughable" to compare one heavyweight boxing champion with another? Sometimes I wonder if you guys understand what you're saying before you post it.

[chris]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.
exactly mate he could not fight for years, when he was in his prime because he refused to go to vietnam, and still came back and kicked arse.because quite simply, mr gaddaffi ali was a far superior fighter than tyson, and i saw both of them fight. of course it is just a matter of opinion, but my guess his you were probably a twinkle in your dads left bollock when ali was strutting his stuff. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Under the Splott-light]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.
exactly mate he could not fight for years, when he was in his prime because he refused to go to vietnam, and still came back and kicked arse.
tyson was a great fighter in HIS time, but to compare him with ali is totally laughable. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif You do realise they recorded those fights onto videotape don't you? In fact, with the benefit of multiple angles and action replays the people at home watching probably saw more than those in the crowd did.

[Hilts]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.However the fighters he beat in his prime dont compare with those Ali beat when past his prime.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.
I don't know what giving Tyson no credit whatsoever achieves other than making you look daft for suggesting it.I do wonder if people just have a knee-jerk reaction to anything Ali related. Like some of the comments in here along the lines of "Tyson wouldn't get near Ali". What a weird thing to say, do people really believe that shite?

[EdinburghBlue]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".As it seems you have by choosing Tyson.

[chris]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet. ali was a showman. an artist, he had charisma and personality, and was unbelievably quick with his feet and fists, ali in his prime would have torn tyson apart. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
As it seems you have by choosing Tyson.ROFLCOPTER

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
agree to a point but tyson never had the same competiton around him that ali did, foreman, frazier, norton etc. tyson was a one trick pony, early knockout. ali would have danced round the ring and picked him off and eventually gone in for the kill."Torn Tyson apart"!!! Are you for real or what?

[EdinburghBlue]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
As it seems you have by choosing Tyson.
ROFLCOPTERDon't think he was a heavyweight!

[Pearcey]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase "In their Prime".
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.
I don't know what giving Tyson no credit whatsoever achieves other than making you look daft for suggesting it.
Tyson was a very , very good fighter. Perhaps because Ali fought some of the greatest heavyweights of all time and was the best of them. Who did Tyson beat? Frank Bruno. Big whoop. Not in the same league.

[EdinburghBlue]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
agree to a point but tyson never had the same competiton around him that ali did, foreman, frazier, norton etc. tyson was a one trick pony, early knockout. ali would have danced round the ring and picked him off and eventually gone in for the kill.
ali was a showman. an artist, he had charisma and personality, and was unbelievably quick with his feet and fists, ali in his prime would have torn tyson apart. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Ali would have beaten him easily. Foreman and Frazier would have torn him apart

[chris]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
agree to a point but tyson never had the same competiton around him that ali did, foreman, frazier, norton etc. tyson was a one trick pony, early knockout. ali would have danced round the ring and picked him off and eventually gone in for the kill.
ali was a showman. an artist, he had charisma and personality, and was unbelievably quick with his feet and fists, ali in his prime would have torn tyson apart. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif ali would have eaten him for breakfast. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Under the Splott-light]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
agree to a point but tyson never had the same competiton around him that ali did, foreman, frazier, norton etc. <b>tyson was a one trick pony, early knockout. ali would have danced round the ring and picked him off and eventually gone in for the kill....which is EXACTLY what i've said over the 3 or 4 posts i've contributed to this thread, apart from the &quot;torn Tyson apart&quot; comment which is just silly, 'outfoxed', 'out manoeuvred', 'wore Tyson down', 'out boxed', 'out smarted', all of those things I would agree with, but not &quot;torn Tyson apart&quot;.

[chris]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
agree to a point but tyson never had the same competiton around him that ali did, foreman, frazier, norton etc. tyson was a one trick pony, early knockout. ali would have danced round the ring and picked him off and eventually gone in for the kill.
ali was a showman. an artist, he had charisma and personality, and was unbelievably quick with his feet and fists, ali in his prime would have torn tyson apart. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif ok then mate, he would have embarassed tyson, shown him up. made him look a right ****, i think you get the picture. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Packerman]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase &quot;In their Prime&quot;.
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.your quoting ali doing a ropa dopa tactic on tyson, therefore you don't understand ali in his prime, in his prime he would not of needed to use said tactic

[chris]

In This Thread: People struggling to understand the phrase &quot;In their Prime&quot;.
Alis prime was in the 60s before he was stripped of the title.
Tysons was before he found a journeyman who decided to fight back. After his defeat he was no longer seen as invincible. To himself as to others as well.
exactly mate he could not fight for years, when he was in his prime because he refused to go to vietnam, and still came back and kicked arse.no ali used the rope a dope tactic on foreman, because he was a slugger same as tyson, thats why ali was the greatest, he had brains as well as the brawn. he had different methods of fighting for different fighters, tysons method was purely punching power go for the kill from round 1, if he had fought ali, tyson would have been dead on his feet by the latter stages, then ali would have just moved in and finished him off . http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[splott parker]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet. Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.

[Under the Splott-light]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.Not sure i'd feel the same about him if i'd shelled out a few hundred dollars to watch a 2 round bout at Caesars Palace though.

[splott parker]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.
Oh I have Steve, i've watched a lot of boxing over the years, over all weight categories, I also boxed for a few years as a schoolboy, I had to earn this face. Nail on the head Pete, you'd willingly shell out to watch Ali because an evening's entertainment would be guaranteed, good chance of a bit poetry thrown in as well. The man was pure box office. The Capitol cinema full at 2am to watch him, 2000 people, unbelievable.

[Under the Splott-light]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.
Oh I have Steve, i've watched a lot of boxing over the years, over all weight categories, I also boxed for a few years as a schoolboy, I had to earn this face.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif He had the kind of charisma only seen from the true greats of a bygone era, Ali, Elvis Presley, James Dean, Marilyn Monroe, Tony Jefferies...

[splott parker]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.
Oh I have Steve, i've watched a lot of boxing over the years, over all weight categories, I also boxed for a few years as a schoolboy, I had to earn this face.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Only a fool would dispute Ali and his all 'round boxing abilities, the guy was clearly the greatest 'boxer' of all time, he was intelligent, efficient and entertaining, but as a kid, well early teen by time Mike Tyson started to take opponents out in a couple of rounds he had an impression on me, he was no boxer, he wasn't very intelligent, he had no plan B, not even sure he had a plan A either, but he was exciting to watch, for me at least, he remains the greatest boxer, for sheer entertainment, of my generation. .............and Bob from Newport. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Under the Splott-light]

In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.
Oh I have Steve, i've watched a lot of boxing over the years, over all weight categories, I also boxed for a few years as a schoolboy, I had to earn this face.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Only a fool would dispute Ali and his all 'round boxing abilities, the guy was clearly the greatest 'boxer' of all time, he was intelligent, efficient and entertaining, but as a kid, well early teen by time Mike Tyson started to take opponents out in a couple of rounds he had an impression on me, he was no boxer, he wasn't very intelligent, he had no plan B, not even sure he had a plan A either, but he was exciting to watch, for me at least, he remains the greatest boxer, for sheer entertainment, of my generation.
Not sure i'd feel the same about him if i'd shelled out a few hundred dollars to watch a 2 round bout at Caesars Palace though. Don't sit me next to Bob! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[stan butler]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off. Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[ZZ Jack]

Rocky Marciano.
Had a well documented one punch fight with an Australian service man in The Adelphi pub in Wind Street. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Mario Miethig]

Tyson ruled by fear in his early years, think a lot of the fighters he fought were beat before they got into the ring. Marvis Frazier being a fine example. Ali on the other hand, wouldn't have had any of Tysons bully boy tactics and would have got right into Tysons head during the fight build up. I think Ali would have done him by the 6th. Someone said that Tyson would have had a punchers chance, but Ali was incredibly durable and had a tough chin, he even went the distance with Norton with a broken jaw.
I think Ali was the greatest, but for me his fights with Liston were very suspect, as it was a well known fact that Liston was controlled by the mob. The knockout delivered to Ali,in I think the first fight, looked very soft for a giant like Liston to get knocked out by. Don't think we'll ever know though, as Liston was killed in mysterious circumstances a few years later.

[Pearcey]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif He was specifically referring to the &quot;doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali&quot; comment though.

[Pearcey]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.Shurrup mush.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
He was specifically referring to the &quot;doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali&quot; comment though.Oh sorry. Clearly what I meant to say was Ali was a shape-shifting tiger cloud and no person in history has ever managed to occupy the same room as him, nevermind punch him in the face.

[chris]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?yes, you forget to mention that after cooper knocked ali down. ali came out and took him apart. cooper could not lay a glove on him after that, and the fight was stopped to stop cooper from receiving further punishment. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Pearcey]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
He was specifically referring to the &quot;doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali&quot; comment though.
Shurrup mush.Now you're talking sense Colonel.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
He was specifically referring to the &quot;doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali&quot; comment though.
Shurrup mush.
Oh sorry. Clearly what I meant to say was Ali was a shape-shifting tiger cloud and no person in history has ever managed to occupy the same room as him, nevermind punch him in the face.http://i.imgur.com/wA7lqZ1.gif

[Pearcey]

Tyson was an animal.
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
He was specifically referring to the &quot;doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali&quot; comment though.
Shurrup mush.
Oh sorry. Clearly what I meant to say was Ali was a shape-shifting tiger cloud and no person in history has ever managed to occupy the same room as him, nevermind punch him in the face.
Now you're talking sense Colonel.I think you are finally getting a handle on Ali's extraordinary ability.Its taken a while and you have been a little on the slow side but eventually you got there. I am proud of you Colonel C.Please consider yourself to be exonerated(until the next time)

[Harry Flashman]

This is all well and good but what is best...

Messi on an Xbox One game or Ronaldo on a PS4 version.

[Pearcey]

This is all well and good but what is best...Ali on PS2

[Under the Splott-light]

This is all well and good but what is best...
Messi on an Xbox One game or Ronaldo on a PS4 version.Commonly referred to as a 'Claystation 2'.

[cityviking]

I think a lot of people get caught up in the Tyson wave because at the time he/it was a whirlwind, when you reflect on it there are many, many heavyweights who had superior careers to the unquestonably excellent Tyson

[Pearcey]

This is all well and good but what is best...
Messi on an Xbox One game or Ronaldo on a PS4 version.
Ali on PS2 http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[The Penguin]

Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.

That was NOT Ali in his prime. I'm not being patronising but younger people will have seen all the 'legendary' clips of Ali and most do not concentrate on him in his prime. Totally fearless because of confidence in his own ability, the PRIMETIME Ali was so much better than people can imagine.

He was as fast as Sugar Ray Leonard FFS - that's ridiculous hand speed for a heavyweight and that speed generated some real punching power. Like Calzaghe (who lost knockout power due to injury) Ali was so fast that every punch had percussive quality, just didn't look as spectacular sometimes.

Tyson had a dodgy chin too, and there is no way he could attack Ali and protect that chin at the same time.

Trust me pop-pickers, Ali was much better than many people imagine, and he is rated the Greatest anyway.

Rope a dope? Nah, Ali would never have sat back and let Tyson get at him, and to be fair Tyson throws so many unconventional shots from outrageous angles that I think he would have got past.

Ali would have been at his supreme best, moving, jabbing and chopping Tyson up.

No disrespect to Tyson, but Ali was on another level, and that's no disgrace with even Tyson happy to admit it.

[BlueArmy 86]

What did Ali ever do to Colonel? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

I think Tyson would land hardly anything on Ali and would just get picked off each time he launches a haymaker.

[Packerman]

Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.^^^ this, tydfil white made this mistake, no rope a dope tactics from ali pre 67, &quot;float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, i,m the greatest mohammed Ali&quot;

[chris]

Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.
That was NOT Ali in his prime. I'm not being patronising but younger people will have seen all the 'legendary' clips of Ali and most do not concentrate on him in his prime. Totally fearless because of confidence in his own ability, the PRIMETIME Ali was so much better than people can imagine.tyson was not the most intelligent of fighters, and ali would have been simply too quick and skilful for tyson. he would have got frustrated and tired very quickly. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Pearcey]

Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.Yep. For a heavyweight the Ali of the 60s was incredibly quick in mind,hands and feet. Utterly exceptional. As he slowed down in the 1970s he would use the ropes to great effect. He didn't need to in his younger days.

[Rob Blue]

I find his pre match catch phases do my head in a bit, but I had no idea that he could play boxing or even rope a dope.
I still reckon Tyson would deck him tho, even if he did his own ring introduction and whipped up the crowd with a bit of men of Harlech.