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Mick the Miller
13-01-15, 15:23
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.We've still got farmers but we've no longer got a manufacturing industry that's why we pay through the nose for the items you mention.
Barry Dragon
13-01-15, 15:40
Everyone should drink more milk this month to help our farmers. Its good for you and cheap.
protex blue
13-01-15, 15:47
Always pleading poverty!
No sympathy from me I am afraid..
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
We've still got farmers but we've no longer got a manufacturing industry that's why we pay through the nose for the items you mention.what about software engineering - the UK is also at the forefront of software innovation and development.
Always pleading poverty!yet they complain - you never see a poor farmer
Culver Blue
13-01-15, 16:02
Always pleading poverty!I know. Seen Emmerdale? They're all driving around in top of the range Land Rovers. Bastards.
GRUMPYS DEN
13-01-15, 16:05
Now I think they have a good point.Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.And continue to do so in Wales, of course.
Farmers. Inbreed, fox hunting, inheritance lucky, land grabbing, horsey type, horray henry, tory loving, stuck in the mud ****s.
Their enemy's are not so kind.
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.there are none so blind etc etc.
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .As the inland revenue, who lets an accountant allow crooks to rip off the hard working taxpayer?
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.go fish elsewhere. that's a pathetic attempt swampy
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright. Yep, so shut up Goselowgoosestep.
protex blue
13-01-15, 16:22
Always pleading poverty!
No sympathy from me I am afraid..Driving around in their 4X4 using Red diesel!
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif I thought that was one of my better efforts http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
there are none so blind etc etc.And it was one of your better efforts. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
there are none so blind etc etc.
As the inland revenue, who lets an accountant allow crooks to rip off the hard working taxpayer?Thanks Croesy, if i ever need a patio laid I'll keep you in mind.
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
there are none so blind etc etc.
As the inland revenue, who lets an accountant allow crooks to rip off the hard working taxpayer?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gifYou do that fella.
Saundersfootblue
13-01-15, 16:34
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.Not the nicked one's.They are provided by a bloke behind Countisbury shop's.
bluebirds over.......
13-01-15, 16:35
Having worked on a farm as a youngster and worked construction on various farms over the years i've come to the conclusion they're the tightest, moaning bastards on the planet.Their idea of being skint is a far different cry to most of us.
Having worked on a farm as a youngster and worked construction on various farms over the years i've come to the conclusion they're the tightest, moaning bastards on the planet.Their idea of being skint is a far different cry to most of us.You reckon those dairy farmers down in Carmarthenshire are doing OK on 20p a litre for their milk then?
Bought a pint of milk in Morrisons this morning
and it was 49 pence.
I know the press are saying 4 pints for a £ but
not in Morrisons.
Farmers and more surprisingly their labourers
all seem to be Tories or UKIP here in Wilts.
Countryside Alf Garnetts the lot of them.
Mick the Miller
13-01-15, 16:37
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.You couldn't make it up.
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
there are none so blind etc etc.
As the inland revenue, who lets an accountant allow crooks to rip off the hard working taxpayer?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
go fish elsewhere. that's a pathetic attempt swampyDon't worry i won't.
bluebirds over.......
13-01-15, 16:39
Having worked on a farm as a youngster and worked construction on various farms over the years i've come to the conclusion they're the tightest, moaning bastards on the planet.Their idea of being skint is a far different cry to most of us.
You reckon those dairy farmers down in Carmarthenshire are doing OK on 20p a litre for their milk then?They fail to mention how heavily subsidised they are, anyone who thinks they're hard done by is a mug, they get more government help than any of us.
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Yep, so shut up Goselowgoosestep.You're the one who hates jews remember.
Former Labour leader
13-01-15, 17:08
It will be blue posters everywhere in the fields by the A40, come April down here in pembs.
I know quite a few dairy farmers down this way and most of them are multi millionaires.
Feck em.
It will be blue posters everywhere in the fields by the A40, come April down here in pembs.And the farm hands that work with them as well?
Former Labour leader
13-01-15, 17:18
It will be blue posters everywhere in the fields by the A40, come April down here in pembs.
I know quite a few dairy farmers down this way and most of them are multi millionaires.As I said, feck em.
Having worked on a farm as a youngster and worked construction on various farms over the years i've come to the conclusion they're the tightest, moaning bastards on the planet.Their idea of being skint is a far different cry to most of us.
You reckon those dairy farmers down in Carmarthenshire are doing OK on 20p a litre for their milk then?What are their costs? Cows eat grass, which grows at no expense to the farmer
If it costs a farmer about 30p a litre to produce a litre and the supermarkets are only paying them 25p then there's a problem and that problem is with the cartel run by the supermarkets and the govt won't do anything about it. If the farmers refuse the offer from the supermarket then the milk will spoil and the farmer gets feckall. The supermarkets have the farmers by the short and curlies, just because their major weapon in their price wars is the cost of 4 pints of milk.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
Dr Tim Muff
13-01-15, 18:04
If it costs a farmer about 30p a litre to produce a litre and the supermarkets are only paying them 25p then there's a problem and that problem is with the cartel run by the supermarkets and the govt won't do anything about it. If the farmers refuse the offer from the supermarket then the milk will spoil and the farmer gets feckall. The supermarkets have the farmers by the short and curlies, just because their major weapon in their price wars is the cost of 4 pints of milk.That's the "free" market for you http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Dr Tim Muff
13-01-15, 18:07
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free. http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
bluebirds over.......
13-01-15, 18:10
I could'nt give a flying one personally for farmers, they get enough help. The one i do feel sorry for is the pub landlord who struggles to keep a pub open as they fail to compete with the supermarkets. It's bullshit about farmers and their pretend hardship, a farmer i did work for was telling me about how hard it was for him and then jumps in his 40k top of the range Land Rover.
Most farmers get single farm payment subsidy, direct from us the Tax payers. Further although the milk price has dropped, dairy farmers (well the good ones) were raking it over the past 1.5 years, they were getting 33+ per a litre. Instaed of saving for a rainy day, most end up with a new John Deere sitting in the yard.
Also another point that farmers forget, although the Milk price has fallen so has the cost of production, much in line with the milk price. Also there's a shite load of useless Dairy farmers out there.
If they aren't happy with the price they receive for their milk then i suggest they produce something else.
If there were less of them producing it then i assume the ones that do would be in more of a position to charge more.
It would be the consumer paying the extra to them anyway and I doubt many people would be too impressed by that either
Gosh , no one has blamed the EU yet.
Watamistakatomaka
13-01-15, 18:48
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.Also I have yet to see a poor farmer!!
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
cyril evans awaydays
13-01-15, 19:15
If they aren't happy with the price they receive for their milk then i suggest they produce something else. http://www.dairyco.org.uk/market-information/supply-producti on/milk-production/uk-monthly-and-annual-milk-deliveries/#.V LVtJ3t2Q2s (http://www.dairyco.org.uk/market-information/supply-production/milk-production/uk-monthly-and-annual-milk-deliveries/#.VLVtJ3t2Q2s)
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright. Get out more.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)No need for you - of all people - to point that out http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif , as you have single handedly proven it with your almost daily bore-fests for years.
Dr Tim Muff
13-01-15, 19:23
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#) http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gifNot sure I follow. If i post and linhs they tend to be from official sources.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory wibble. And ... wibble.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gifOf course, you know better. So in that respect, I will leave you to argue why you yet again know dairy farmer profitability better than those who prepare the accounts and will leave the thread to you to claim all of your glory
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Ah, let's judge them all by the handful that seek your tax dodging services shall we ? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif Tax dodging. Your fishing technique is dreadful. Try again
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Ah, let's judge them all by the handful that seek your tax dodging services shall we ? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Never seen a poor farmer? really?But your notion of "never seen a poor farmer" is either poor fishing, or plain ignorance.
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Ah, let's judge them all by the handful that seek your tax dodging services shall we ? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Never seen a poor farmer? really?
Get out more.You're talking more shit than usual tonight that's for sure
Vinny Riley
13-01-15, 19:53
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Arable is the way forward, flog the cattle, plant corn and rape, sit back and reap the rewards blah blah
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Ah, let's judge them all by the handful that seek your tax dodging services shall we ? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Never seen a poor farmer? really?
Get out more.
Tax dodging. Your fishing technique is dreadful. Try againHow about.. let's not pursue this for a second.
archibald leitch
13-01-15, 20:13
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Arable is the way forward, flog the cattle, plant corn and rape, sit back and reap the rewards blah blahETA - or flogging cattle - no need for animal cruelty
thornhillblue
13-01-15, 20:39
Now I think they have a good point.It's got nothing to do with any political party.
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright.
Ah, let's judge them all by the handful that seek your tax dodging services shall we ? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Never seen a poor farmer? really?
Get out more.
Tax dodging. Your fishing technique is dreadful. Try again
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif this being the claim that you made. I see you're not even able to follow your own posts now.
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.Supermarkets are not the problem Dairy are. First Milk that's owned and run by farmers are right in the shite and just deferred payments to farmers by 2 weeks. Many many farmers are utterly useless at running as a business as they for many years never had to run as one. Milk price is through the floor as there is a glut of it and the normal outlet, dried milk is also overstocked.
Jimmy the Jock
13-01-15, 21:54
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.
Didn't hear the farmers moan when the miners were shagged over because the coal they produced was more expensive .
The farmers it seems have got the party they deserve.
Yep and the Labour Party did such a great job for their traditional heartlands in their many years in government!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
there are none so blind etc etc.
As the inland revenue, who lets an accountant allow crooks to rip off the hard working taxpayer?That was nearly funny...
Jimmy the Jock
13-01-15, 21:56
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gifWhat else do they need?
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory I'm hoping that the good doctor or even Vimana can tell us. All these years of preparing accounts that have been signed off by farmers, the banks and HMRC must have been incorrect if the two aforementioned sage's are to be believed.
Jimmy the Jock
13-01-15, 22:53
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".Sky TV with the full sports package perhaps?
Mick the Miller
13-01-15, 23:03
Now I think they have a good point.
However they will probably fill their fields with vote Tory signs come the election. The party who allows and advocates this sort of rampant unfair free market.Get a grip pal.
cyril evans awaydays
13-01-15, 23:07
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory Biggest overhead is likely to be their accountant though! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.When it's a true free market you could argue it's fair, when farm produce is monopolised by corporations it's not.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".And also ...that all they have to do is sit there and watch the grass grow.. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 09:06
I say, well done Gronovic.
Your 3 best posts ever.
And all together...
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 09:08
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ........... There isnt a lot to growing grass for cows to eat..is there?
Vinny Riley
14-01-15, 09:09
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Arable is the way forward, flog the cattle, plant corn and rape, sit back and reap the rewards blah blah
I dont think rape is the way forward. If sexual violence is the answer someone asked the wrong question.Straight up , these Derbyshire farmers are evil barstards http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
Is there ANYONE who doesn't complain these days?
Now I think they have a good point.Stop moaning that's life, you have to take the rough with the smooth, if you don't like what you are doing do something else ....
Bought a pint of milk in Morrisons this morningYou can get one in asda for 89p and tescos for a quid
ninianboy1
14-01-15, 10:05
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".I'm no expert but I presume the farmers have to 'feed' the grass with lime or something similar to make it grow and some form of 'weed-killer' to kill off the weeds, winter feed for when the cattle are housed in sheds, insurance, vet fees, machinery and building upkeep, silage contractors, drainage and fencing to name but a few items.
lock n load
14-01-15, 10:32
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ........... What about the EU subsidies a nice little earner http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
The Penguin
14-01-15, 10:40
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.
we have a few farmers on our books and they do more than alright. At the end of the day though, we all buy it, and none of us ask for the price to go up.....
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ........... You're right they do have a cost base. However it's nowhere near the cost per litre some like you to believe.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ...........
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif Not as early as dairy farmers mind .. but hey 'feck them, the 'feckless grabbers' ... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/wave.gif
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ...........
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
I was just thinking that..I'm only going off what I have seen with my own eyes. perhaps you'd prefer me to form an opinion based on what others tell me what I should believe rather than my own experiences. Symptomatic of the left really.
Dr Tim Muff
14-01-15, 12:27
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ...........
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
I was just thinking that..
What else do they need? You, however, have been unable to demonstrate this by providing any support of any kind for your own bullsh1t assertions. I think it highly unlikely that you ever will.
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ...........
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
I was just thinking that..
What else do they need?
Most dairy herds exist off a mix of grazed pasture and feed. The grass may be free if you inherited the land but in other cases it would be purchased through loans or they are paying rent to landlords.I've not tried because it is not that important to me. I'll go with what i know from personal experience if that's ok with you. you may want to 'win' your internet arguments but just to let you know my box of givea****s is empty and the shop is fresh out of spare parts.
Mick the Miller
14-01-15, 12:36
Dr Tim Muffabsolutely n Wed, 14 January 2015 12:27
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ...........
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
I was just thinking that..May I suggest you take a leaf out their book. Take a break from this board for a week or two , it will do you good trust me.
Dr Tim Muffabsolutely n Wed, 14 January 2015 12:27
What is this 30p per litre? What are the farmers costs? Cows eat Grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free.
The average cost of milk production was 36.65p/litre in the year to March 2014, according to a survey by accountant Old Mill.
http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-bel ow-cost-of-production.htm# (http://www.fwi.co.uk/business/milk-price-cuts-put-income-below-cost-of-production.htm#)
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
You can find whatever you want on the Internet to back up any theory
In that case I challenge you to back up your theory that farmers' costs are no more than "cows eat grass and grass needs rain and sunshine, which is free".
In your own time ...........
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
I was just thinking that..
What else do they need? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Mick the Miller
14-01-15, 12:59
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 13:48
I am with feedback on this one . Buy a couple of milking cows stick them on an old field and bingo money for nothing.
I am with feedback on this one . Buy a couple of milking cows stick them on an old field and bingo money for nothing.Here's a question, no cheating by goggling it. How many litres a year does a high yielding Dairy cow give you (approx.)?
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 14:06
I am with feedback on this one . Buy a couple of milking cows stick them on an old field and bingo money for nothing.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif As you can see, I know as much about dairy farming as you do about football. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 14:06
A guess 400?
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 14:08
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
Fatty Føggøn
14-01-15, 14:09
Jersey cows give a low yield compared to a Friesian but the quality of the milk is like cream. Stayed on a farm in Cornwall where the farmer had a small herd and he milked them all by hand. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 14:14
Jersey cows give a low yield compared to a Friesian but the quality of the milk is like cream. Stayed on a farm in Cornwall where the farmer had a small herd and he milked them all by hand. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lj8Qtkred8
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
Jersey cows give a low yield compared to a Friesian but the quality of the milk is like cream. Stayed on a farm in Cornwall where the farmer had a small herd and he milked them all by hand. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif They give a lower total yield because they are half the size of a Friesian. weight for weight they give similar yields.
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 14:24
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990. www.dairyco.org.uk/market-information/...data/milk.../averag e-milk-yield/
To be fair, It's the cows who should be complaining!
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field! I did say a high yielding cows. 7000L is an average and just shows how useless some Dairy farmers are. Its another reason why so many are going out of business.
Jimmy the Jock
14-01-15, 14:56
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT Are you involved in this business?
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT
I got my info from googleI am, I supply and work with mainly dairy farmers. Farmers love kit, the in thing is robotic milking parlours, Its incredible tech (all German) a single machine can look after 60 cows. Cost around 150K mind.
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...Genius.
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT
I got my info from google
The average annual yield per cow stood at 7,717 litres in 2013/14, according to provisional data, resulting in an 5.3% increase in total milk production, to 13,920 million litres, from a static average UK dairy herd size of 1.8 million cows.Since you're familiar with farms you will have no doubt come across the midden which is a whole new experience for the city dweller
EdinburghBlue
14-01-15, 19:41
Get orf moy laaaaaaand!!
Shoot im pa!
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
While I would also be keen to avoid entertaining such a phrase, I have not been speaking nonsense at all.Anyway your train left bore central a few stops back.
waynekerr55
14-01-15, 20:04
Now I think they have a good point. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
While I would also be keen to avoid entertaining such a phrase, I have not been speaking nonsense at all.
In fact, just presenting you with an uncomfortable ( but patently obvious) truth about yourself. Yet again.Did you make that up yourself?
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT
I got my info from google
The average annual yield per cow stood at 7,717 litres in 2013/14, according to provisional data, resulting in an 5.3% increase in total milk production, to 13,920 million litres, from a static average UK dairy herd size of 1.8 million cows.
Average Milk Yield - DairyCo http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT
I got my info from google
The average annual yield per cow stood at 7,717 litres in 2013/14, according to provisional data, resulting in an 5.3% increase in total milk production, to 13,920 million litres, from a static average UK dairy herd size of 1.8 million cows.
Average Milk Yield - DairyCo
www.dairyco.org.uk/market-information/...data/milk.../averag e-milk-yield/What are you wittering on about now
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
While I would also be keen to avoid entertaining such a phrase, I have not been speaking nonsense at all.
In fact, just presenting you with an uncomfortable ( but patently obvious) truth about yourself. Yet again.
But as you are renowned to have have an ego the size of Jupiter but which as brittle as spun sugar .. you cannot deal with it.About 1997 probably.
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
While I would also be keen to avoid entertaining such a phrase, I have not been speaking nonsense at all.
In fact, just presenting you with an uncomfortable ( but patently obvious) truth about yourself. Yet again.
But as you are renowned to have have an ego the size of Jupiter but which as brittle as spun sugar .. you cannot deal with it.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif I take it bore central is where you live, you seem to know it so well
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
While I would also be keen to avoid entertaining such a phrase, I have not been speaking nonsense at all.
In fact, just presenting you with an uncomfortable ( but patently obvious) truth about yourself. Yet again.
But as you are renowned to have have an ego the size of Jupiter but which as brittle as spun sugar .. you cannot deal with it.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
So you're not actually discussing anything other than your warped view of a character you think you know from a football forum.http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/s2000.gif << Toot toot ..
So you live in bore central.....and you're a train spotter.
Well as long as you are happy then I'm happy.
Feedy I was referring to a post by Vimana where he tore you asunder for ripping other peoples jobs apart, while you spend all day on here avoiding doing yours.
Game set and match to Vimana. 6-0 6-0 6-0.
tore me asunder? I must have missed that one. Vimana has been posting his usual brand of nonsense I will give you that - similar to you really. birds of a feather and all that...
While I would also be keen to avoid entertaining such a phrase, I have not been speaking nonsense at all.
In fact, just presenting you with an uncomfortable ( but patently obvious) truth about yourself. Yet again.
But as you are renowned to have have an ego the size of Jupiter but which as brittle as spun sugar .. you cannot deal with it.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif Was Mick driving that train?
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif But didnt feedy disagree with you earlier in this thread Crosey? You didn't reply with your own opinions, why!
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif So I am flattered http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
But didnt feedy disagree with you earlier in this thread Crosey? You didn't reply with your own opinions, why!Why are you?
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 15:17
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif You seem to be suggesting that you know what my position on this subject is --- can you tell me what i think?
Jimmy the Jock
15-01-15, 15:24
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
You seem to be suggesting that you know what my position on this subject is --- can you tell me what i think?I would be impressed if he could tell you what he thinks.
Jimmy the Jock
15-01-15, 15:27
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT Guy on the radio was saying they are paid 22p per litre. Reckoned it had to be 30p per litre to make a profit? That included an allowance for renewing machinery.
Strawberry Picker
15-01-15, 15:36
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?that is not the free market concept as well you know.
Jimmy the Jock
15-01-15, 16:08
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
that is not the free market concept as well you know.There is nothing wrong with teaching children the work ethic either.
do not bite the hand that feeds you.
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
that is not the free market concept as well you know.
There is nothing wrong with teaching children the work ethic either. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
waynekerr55
15-01-15, 16:48
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
that is not the free market concept as well you know.
There is nothing wrong with teaching children the work ethic either.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqieXSLOslo
7717 per head at a £1 per litre . Where do I sign?
7717 litres a cow. Maybe back in 1990.
Hi yielding cow range between 10-12000 litres. Problem is where you could get the cow through a load of lactation cycles, the high yielders tend to last much shorter periods. No great surprise. And as for cows feeding for free off lush grass, what if I told that many high tech dairy farms, the cows never see a field!
You seem to know what you are talking about here. BUT
I got my info from googleThere will be dairy farmers making a profit at 22p litre. We have too many Dairy farms which are just not viable and are kept afloat by the single farm handout, which costs European tax payers a fortune. Many dairy units are still basically the family home with 50 cows. They will not make money as they don't have scale and they are usually the farmers who's practices are shocking.
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 18:59
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
that is not the free market concept as well you know. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
that is not the free market concept as well you know.
Of course it is. Minimising production costs to maximise profits, while still undercutting competetorsThat's profit maximisation. The free market is allowing individuals free choice who to transact with, when to transact and at what price.
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 19:24
why is the free market unfair mick? this is the free market that provides the laptops/tablets/phones you use to post your pearls of wisdom on here.
Would this be the same free market that produces these items with child labourers on $1 a day working an 80 week?
that is not the free market concept as well you know.
Of course it is. Minimising production costs to maximise profits, while still undercutting competetors
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif If manufacturing cost were not an issue, there would be no sweat shops anywhere in the world.
Archie
I'm not disagreeing that some people drive costs down. But that is not the free market, it is profit maximisation.
Strawberry Picker
15-01-15, 19:31
ArchieYou're surely not arguing that agents don't attempt to profit maximize in a free market?
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 19:33
ArchieYou can maximise profit by putting the price up. But you wont get very far like that cos the free market favours the lower priced product - which is only achieved by keeping cots down (with the exception of a few specialised and exclusive items of course)
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
You seem to be suggesting that you know what my position on this subject is --- can you tell me what i think?Actually http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Archie
I'm not disagreeing that some people drive costs down. But that is not the free market, it is profit maximisation.Are you now talking theory or morality?
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 19:48
Archie
I'm not disagreeing that some people drive costs down. But that is not the free market, it is profit maximisation.
But why are people driving costs down?Neither - practice. That is how the free market works in real life
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 19:49
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
You seem to be suggesting that you know what my position on this subject is --- can you tell me what i think?
I was merely suggesting that the vim man was being an argumentative arsehole for the sake of it rather than knowing exactly what you were thinking.I am not argumentative for the sake of it - only when you are wrong.
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 19:53
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?But they aren't making losses
archibald leitch
15-01-15, 21:19
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making lossesAnd given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Jimmy the Jock
15-01-15, 22:16
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........Whilst you have been bickering with feedback did you read Pugs take on it? (He works in the industry)
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
in order to have a fair price and a constant supply of milk for the nation the Milk Marketing Board was established in 1933, as a result milk producers were guaranteed a DECENT price for their milk and a guarantee that their milk would be collected daily.The board brought some stability into the wholesale market and gave a little confidence to farmers to invest in equipment and their farms..this was all blown away by Margaret Thatcher and her Government,when they did away with the Board. Milk producers are now very much in a reapeat position as before the introduction of the Milk Board, facing a real possibility that not in the to distant future their milk will not be picked up,as it is a perishable commodity within a day or so it will turn sour and be worthless,fresh milk has a shelf life of one day, have you ever thought what are you actually buying today as compared to the pinta delivered by the now defunct doorstep delivery by your local milkman?
With Tim and Archie missing it is good to see the Vim man step in to the breach. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
You seem to be suggesting that you know what my position on this subject is --- can you tell me what i think?
I was merely suggesting that the vim man was being an argumentative arsehole for the sake of it rather than knowing exactly what you were thinking.Argumentative for the sake of it? no dullard Croesy - I was pointing out to your fwend that he was being a condescending loudmouth bellwhiff, negatively generalising about other peoples employment. Yet again...
Anne O'Rack
16-01-15, 17:34
The price of milk is ridiculously low how anyone can begrudge farmers a decent wage is quite breathtaking.Because mick is a sniping snidey guy. He is full of venom. Overall a nasty piece of work under the hood and it seems another hood has just been lifted x
archibald leitch
16-01-15, 18:55
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.ETA - my line is to form opinion based on as many facts as possible - so yes, i would prefer you followed that line rather than making assumptions about a massive industry based on anecdotal evidence from a handfull of farmers.
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
ArchieSo you're not supporting the farmers. I see.
archibald leitch
16-01-15, 18:58
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.which bit of my post did you not understand?
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?Aren't you usually very critical of other posters who post in threads but don't impart their own opinion? Why is it different for you?
archibald leitch
16-01-15, 19:44
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
Can i ask why you think i am supportive of the landed gentry? i have yet to state an opinion on the subject of the thread yet - you are making assumptions about my opinionNo - i am critical of posters who start threads on subjects but are totally unable to explain why they have started the thread. In this instance i was commenting on one of your diversions off topic - the free market - which i have expressed my opinion on.
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
Can i ask why you think i am supportive of the landed gentry? i have yet to state an opinion on the subject of the thread yet - you are making assumptions about my opinion
So you're not supporting the farmers. I see.I thought you expressed tour opinion regarding profit maximisation.
archibald leitch
16-01-15, 19:54
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
Can i ask why you think i am supportive of the landed gentry? i have yet to state an opinion on the subject of the thread yet - you are making assumptions about my opinion
So you're not supporting the farmers. I see.
which bit of my post did you not understand?Sorry - i have better things to do than play your pointless games tonight
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
Can i ask why you think i am supportive of the landed gentry? i have yet to state an opinion on the subject of the thread yet - you are making assumptions about my opinion
So you're not supporting the farmers. I see.
which bit of my post did you not understand?
Aren't you usually very critical of other posters who post in threads but don't impart their own opinion? Why is it different for you?If stating facts are pointless games then so be it
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
Can i ask why you think i am supportive of the landed gentry? i have yet to state an opinion on the subject of the thread yet - you are making assumptions about my opinion
So you're not supporting the farmers. I see.
which bit of my post did you not understand?
Aren't you usually very critical of other posters who post in threads but don't impart their own opinion? Why is it different for you?
No - i am critical of posters who start threads on subjects but are totally unable to explain why they have started the thread. In this instance i was commenting on one of your diversions off topic - the free market - which i have expressed my opinion on.A slogan t-shirt idea for your birthday?
In some situations yea it does, that is why I asked are you looking at this morally. I would agree with you, using sweatshops is morally reprehensible.
And what about putting the squeeze on farmers - paying them a price that results in a loss for them?
But they aren't making losses
Well, we have two options, believeing every single news media outlet and every expert that has spoken to the media - or you. Now i know we should not take everything we read in the papers or hear on the news as gospel - but .........
And given the diversity of the farming industry, i would not take the word of a few farmers that use a tax dodging accountant as a measure of the industry as a whole.
Archie
I am only going on what I know and I'm forming an opinion based on personal experience. Perhaps you'd prefer me to dismiss personal experiences and adopt the line that you follow.
Can I ask why you are so supportive of the landed gentry, those that benefit from tax reliefs that the rest of us can only dream of, the landed gentry that receive significant state aid?
Can i ask why you think i am supportive of the landed gentry? i have yet to state an opinion on the subject of the thread yet - you are making assumptions about my opinion
So you're not supporting the farmers. I see.
which bit of my post did you not understand?
Aren't you usually very critical of other posters who post in threads but don't impart their own opinion? Why is it different for you?
No - i am critical of posters who start threads on subjects but are totally unable to explain why they have started the thread. In this instance i was commenting on one of your diversions off topic - the free market - which i have expressed my opinion on.
I thought you expressed tour opinion regarding profit maximisation.Good idea, see you had at least one in you.
archibald leitch
16-01-15, 21:50
If stating facts are pointless games then so be itBut twisting my words to come up with something completely different from what i said, is not actually stating facts. Its playing stupid and pointless (not to mention sad) games.
Having worked on a farm as a youngster and worked construction on various farms over the years i've come to the conclusion they're the tightest, moaning bastards on the planet.Their idea of being skint is a far different cry to most of us.
You reckon those dairy farmers down in Carmarthenshire are doing OK on 20p a litre for their milk then?
They fail to mention how heavily subsidised they are, anyone who thinks they're hard done by is a mug, they get more government help than any of us.It's the person buying the milk that's being subsidised.
If stating facts are pointless games then so be it
But twisting my words to come up with something completely different from what i said, is not actually stating facts. Its playing stupid and pointless (not to mention sad) games.But I've not done what you've said i have done
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