View Full Version : Is Dave Jones the right man?
What_Kieran_Said
21-01-15, 11:19
To be fair, the best football I've seen us play over the last 10 years has been under Dave Jones. Although we missed out on play-off's on so many occasions I still feel there is a job that could be done by Davey himself.
Under DJ we had 20+ goalscorers up front and solid defenders, we also had tricky wingers and brilliant passers of the ball in the centre.
Since then we've been hitting longballs to target men.
I agree, the season the pressure was on Norwich we played some great stuff up until the last few weeks.
The problem is that the OP suggests that the manager dictates the entire success of the club and the football team.
What i think we have seen since the removal of MM is the removal of the entire backroom team, which has not been replaced in any decent way.
When Jones was here initially he had Burton here as a first team coach (who was and still is a very well respected coach) and Paul Wilkinson working on the team as well.
There was a transfer system in place that worked between Jones, Ridsdale, Wilkinson and Burton, who no matter how we criticised some signings seemed to do better than we have done since.
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.
Are you sure we haven't got DJ now? Before December Slade's results weren't too bad and we all know that DJ's sides went missing over Christmas.
Are you sure we haven't got DJ now? Before December Slade's results weren't too bad and we all know that DJ's sides went missing over Christmas. You're thinking of November
Loya Jirga
21-01-15, 11:32
To be fair, the best football I've seen us play over the last 10 years has been under Dave Jones. Although we missed out on play-off's on so many occasions I still feel there is a job that could be done by Davey himself.Jones had his faults, but he still ranks higher than Mackay for me. His last season was a gamble - he knew he'd be out if they didn't go up, and all of his signings were for the short term gamble. Before that, he had a good eye for the long-term. Mackay appeared to have that too - until the purse was opened.
Loya Jirga
21-01-15, 11:34
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.Also all the money's gone, nowhere to go.
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.
True.I would imagine that the initial budget is one of the highest in the league, but we have the wages curse that all relegated clubs have to suffer.
I would love to see Slade turn performances around but I'm not seeing any evidence he can. Many players cant make the step up to a different level and the same goes for managers, no disgrace in that.
If he does go we could do far worse than getting Jones back in till the end of the season and seeing where we are then.
Some of my best memories of City came from the DJ days, best football I've ever seen us play for sure.
Loya Jirga
21-01-15, 11:44
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.
True.
Also all the money's gone, nowhere to go.It's gone very quickly from having £10m to spend to having to slash the wage bill. Surely that should have been considered during the summer too?
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.
True.
Also all the money's gone, nowhere to go.
I still think there is a budget there, and a good budget for this level. That £40 million may represent a huge wage kitty in Championship terms, however keeping to it in our situation is difficult.
Loya Jirga
21-01-15, 11:54
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.
True.
Also all the money's gone, nowhere to go.
I still think there is a budget there, and a good budget for this level.
However that budget is currently over-full with players that have already left or not in the first team picture. I think the penny is dropping and that the spending/losses need to be reigned in. I think the "return to blue" points in that direction because, suddenly, losing 25% of the customers is no longer an option if the club is to, at the very least, maintain its position in the top 2 divisions.
To be fair, the best football I've seen us play over the last 10 years has been under Dave Jones. Although we missed out on play-off's on so many occasions I still feel there is a job that could be done by Davey himself.Another thread ruined by Jones
Dave Jones would be the right man ,if Slade was to leave,he has done it before,knows the club and what it stands for, achieved much success and put us on an upward platform,he can do it again.
Since Bill Jones took the Bluebirds up to the old First Division in 1959/60 remember that memorable Easter monday 1960 against Aston Villa ,in my opinion the two best managers,most constructive and successful have been Jimmy Scoular and Dave Jones,they both took us ,for periods, to the summit of the second tier.
Apart from Malky,who is a hard luck story ,and whose tenure was cut short of its full potential,no one else, In my opinion comes near Scoular and Dave Jones.
I personally think no individual manager can come in and do well at the moment, because there is no structure in place to support them.
True.
Also all the money's gone, nowhere to go.
I still think there is a budget there, and a good budget for this level.
However that budget is currently over-full with players that have already left or not in the first team picture.
I would imagine that the initial budget is one of the highest in the league, but we have the wages curse that all relegated clubs have to suffer. However without the st money it would obviously be more difficult.
Dave Jones ...... seriously ?
People seem to have short memories...... yes, he could pick a player, and made some astute signings but his motivational skills were next to zero.
Cast your mind back to him standing on the touchline, hands in pocket, that glum expression on his face.... as the team struggled, and he just continued standing there !
Many examples, but I'm sure many posters were at the Norwich vs City games when Parkin scored early on. Then Norwich overwhelmed us for the rest of the game, with the equalizer just a matter of time ...... and so what did DJ do ? ...... f**k all !
It was great if we took the lead, but how often did we win from a losing position ? (I'm sure someone can do the analysis .... Games played with DJ as manager Vs Games won from a losing position)
... and how many academy/youth players did he bring through ? he wasn't even too keen on playing Ramsey.
Dave Jones ? .......... I think I'd prefer Davy Jones of the Monkees...... and he's dead !
I love the breadth of football knowledge on here.
Hundreds of managers to choose from and Dave Jones is always the answer.
What_Kieran_Said
21-01-15, 12:18
I love the breadth of football knowledge on here. Who is the answer?
I love the breadth of football knowledge on here. I would take Jones as a caretaker until end of season instead of a potential case of Young and Gabbidon taking over the reins.
I love the breadth of football knowledge on here.
Hundreds of managers to choose from and Dave Jones is always the answer. E.g. options we had before Slade - Pulis, Lennon, Sherwood, Clarke etc etc etc.
Dave Jones http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif how many clubs are chasing this tactical genius since his sacking by Sheff Wed ?
I love the breadth of football knowledge on here.
Hundreds of managers to choose from and Dave Jones is always the answer.
Who is the answer?Isn't sherwood a 4-4-2 kinda guy as well
What_Kieran_Said
21-01-15, 12:34
Dave Jones http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif how many clubs are chasing this tactical genius since his sacking by Sheff Wed ?There are a lot of football managers out of the game at the moment who are not being chased. Doesn't mean anything when you look at this list of managers out of work. Curbishley, Dalglish, Billy Davies. To name a few.
I love the breadth of football knowledge on here.
Hundreds of managers to choose from and Dave Jones is always the answer.
Who is the answer?
Somebody who isn't a dinosaur and doesn't just play 4-4-2, with plan B being 4-1-2-1-2.But Sherwood actually had his team scoring goals and not conceding 5 every game. Also, he knew how to shake it about to suit his team when they were being overrun.
People in this part of the world seem too keen to dust ourselves down and go again (with Jones) http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
I don't think bringing Jones back in would be the way to go if Slade was to get sacked (which I don't think he will), would very much depend on who was available.
Optimistic Nick
21-01-15, 13:11
Jones was a brilliant manager, best in my lifetime.
He is not the right man for this, though. I was sad to see him go, but when he went it was the right time. I think his approach is outdated now, and having people come back rarely works well.
I've no idea who the right man is. Part of me wonders if a Roy Keane-type delivery-of-bollockings specialist might be worth a go.
Bald Barry Bastad
21-01-15, 13:15
NO
People on here who are asking for DJ to return seem to forget that Jones had a very good coach in Terry Burton to help him a bit of a sharp contrast to Scott Young
The Dave Jones era was my favourite time supporting the city, so much moaning at the time and we probably did need a change near the end but his transfers were usually spot on and we played exciting football. The season we had scimeca in the middle was brilliant until he got injured and we still got to a cup final despite having no money!
The Dave Jones era was my favourite time supporting the city, so much moaning at the time and we probably did need a change near the end but his transfers were usually spot on and we played exciting football. The season we had scimeca in the middle was brilliant until he got injured and we still got to a cup final despite having no money!You reminded me of Palace away when Ricky had one of his best games
Jones was a brilliant manager, best in my lifetime. I wouldn't say no to Keane. He proved he's capable with that Sunderland side as well.
Optimistic Nick
21-01-15, 14:20
Jones was a brilliant manager, best in my lifetime.
He is not the right man for this, though. I was sad to see him go, but when he went it was the right time. I think his approach is outdated now, and having people come back rarely works well. It's not Keane in particular that I'm advocating. It's a person like him who is good at lobbing cups of tea etc at the playing staff. Most of our players could not be accused of trying too hard during games, and if we could somehow get some of Keane's on-the-pitch desire to compete in to some of them it would help. Keane himself would not a be a great choice because he his clearly a lunatic, but someone a bit like that might be good, possibly as a coach. Bellamy might be a more sane option.
Dave Jones http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif how many clubs are chasing this tactical genius since his sacking by Sheff Wed ?
There are a lot of football managers out of the game at the moment who are not being chased. Doesn't mean anything when you look at this list of managers out of work. Curbishley, Dalglish, Billy Davies. To name a few.And all of them old school managers who have had their best days hence why they are all un-employed.Football like life moves on and you have to move with it or get left behind .
Read Bellamy's book and it'll tell you what Dave Jones was like especially towards the end of his stay with us...basically he lost interest in the club and couldn't give a **** what the players got up to, turning up late, getting pissed etc and don't get Jonsey started on the ungrateful 'people 'round here'
Please lord I hope he doesn't come back.
If he was that good he would've been snapped up by now, I for one would dread the day he steps in as our manager.
Don't forget how he bullied and publicly slammed the rookies when some of the more experienced players got away with murder and he didn't have the bollocks to stand up to them.
Terry Burton was the on field mastermind not DJ'.
Dave Moans had a good long stay in the bowels of Ninian Park and the CCS.
What has he achieved since leaving us ?
I rest my case.
Message 4390539 on 21 .1 .15 is the only answer today and now ,especially so in the short term,we are talking about 10 weeks, if that, to save our season and retain our Championship status ,and as important, to be in the right starting blocks for the start of next season 2015/16.
Even if the wage structure is brought down drastically ,surely that does not mean we have to employ a bottom rung manager,under the present regime it seems to me that nobody wants to be at the club except the manager and his assistant. In my opinion the club does not need any more players bought in by this regime,as yet non that they have are not anything near as good the ones that have recently left, I think we would be better off having kept 3 or 4 of the recently departed.
To be fair, the best football I've seen us play over the last 10 years has been under Dave Jones. Although we missed out on play-off's on so many occasions I still feel there is a job that could be done by Davey himself.
Under DJ we had 20+ goalscorers up front and solid defenders, we also had tricky wingers and brilliant passers of the ball in the centre.Totally agree with this post. When you see what Jones achieved with little or no money compared to what we've had since it beggars belief! And we generally played good football too. He also brought us Whittingham for £350,000, Mc NAughton and Heaton of free transfers, and Marshall for £400,000, and Burke for nothing. I know there were a few duffers, but at least some of the best players we've had in the last 10 years came to us when Jones was manager. Most of those above were better than the Premier League 'stars' we had last year.
I'd take DJ in a flash over the miserable useless git we've got now !!!! At least DJ was a happy bloke. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
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