If ever you doubted the ability of the media to use headlines to lead opinion in a story..

[JamesWales]

Then this is proof:

Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196

[Observer]

The BBC are like a dog with a bone regarding Islam and Syria.

[Observer]

Also from today .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31586890

[tigerbaybluebird]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)

[Observer]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)That's pretty neat, it kind of reinforces the other two articles.

[JamesWales]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)That is a completely unacceptable statistic in any civilised society, and I don't think brushing it under the carpet helps anyone, least of all the vast majority of British muslims who are rightly sick of rising islamophobia.

[redjk]

Then this is proof:You could have some sympathy for people being offended by the cartoons yet find violence completely abhorrent.

[Observer]

This is the picture I am getting in my head. The Jews are scared and are being persecuted. 75% of Muslims are good and do nice things like forming protective human shields around synagogues. 25% of Muslims are bad and do terrible things like running off to become jihadhi brides.

[TruBlue]

This is the picture I am getting in my head. The Jews are scared and are being persecuted. 75% of Muslims are good and do nice things like forming protective human shields around synagogues. 25% of Muslims are bad and do terrible things like running off to become jihadhi brides.Chill out mate, Citizenfour is on tonight, you've got a long day ahead of you going into meltdown. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif

[Observer]

This is the picture I am getting in my head. The Jews are scared and are being persecuted. 75% of Muslims are good and do nice things like forming protective human shields around synagogues. 25% of Muslims are bad and do terrible things like running off to become jihadhi brides.
Chill out mate, Citizenfour is on tonight, you've got a long day ahead of you going into meltdown. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif I am chilled mate http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif What is Citizenfour?

[JamesWales]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?If the question was 'was it wrong to print images of Mohammed, I imagine the figure would be far higher than 27%.

[redjk]

This is the picture I am getting in my head. The Jews are scared and are being persecuted. 75% of Muslims are good and do nice things like forming protective human shields around synagogues. 25% of Muslims are bad and do terrible things like running off to become jihadhi brides.Presumably only a proportion of those would ever resort to violence.

[redjk]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)Likewise I have sympathy for the family of an Israeli soldier killed by terrorists that doesn't mean I condone the Israeli response .

[Observer]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)
27% of people having "some sympathy for the motives behind the attack" is completely different from 27% advocating the violence.I blame the BBC for making it over-complicated http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif

[RichardM]

Then this is proof:Feeling sympathy is hardly the same as advocating violence is it?

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)
27% of people having "some sympathy for the motives behind the attack" is completely different from 27% advocating the violence.What is taqiyya ?

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

This is the picture I am getting in my head. The Jews are scared and are being persecuted. 75% of Muslims are good and do nice things like forming protective human shields around synagogues. 25% of Muslims are bad and do terrible things like running off to become jihadhi brides. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/malky.gif

[Jimmy Jimmy]

46% feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being Muslim in Britain

If I was Muslim and felt like that - then I would leave to find a country with an Islamic Govt - where I would be valued etc

[JamesWales]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)
27% of people having "some sympathy for the motives behind the attack" is completely different from 27% advocating the violence.Sympathy isn't a word that should link these two events.

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)
27% of people having "some sympathy for the motives behind the attack" is completely different from 27% advocating the violence.
You could have some sympathy for people being offended by the cartoons yet find violence completely abhorrent.Radical, fascist ideologies don't permit any form of reasoned discussion or debate. To take an alternative view means that you are racist or unpatriotic or islamophobic or whatever name is most damaging for the circumstances.

[JamesWales]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)
27% of people having "some sympathy for the motives behind the attack" is completely different from 27% advocating the violence.
You could have some sympathy for people being offended by the cartoons yet find violence completely abhorrent.
I do see your point and of course, people will always interpret questions in different ways.. but 'sympathy for the motive behind the attack', to me is largely the same as having sympathy for the attack, because 'the motive' by definition is the reason for the attack. We can argue about whether a magazine should or shouldn't produce an image of Mohammed (I don't really greatly understand the benefits of doing so) but even an ounce of a suggestion that a violent response to this is acceptable needs to be 100% condemned.

[Mrs Steve R]

This is the picture I am getting in my head. The Jews are scared and are being persecuted. 75% of Muslims are good and do nice things like forming protective human shields around synagogues. 25% of Muslims are bad and do terrible things like running off to become jihadhi brides.
Chill out mate, Citizenfour is on tonight, you've got a long day ahead of you going into meltdown. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
I am chilled mate http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif What is Citizenfour?You worry me sometimes Gluey.

[ZZ Jack]

Twenty seven percent is a sizeable minority though, isn't it. Its not going to be easy to sort out the good from the bad.

[RichardM]

46% feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being Muslim in BritainEven if you were born and brought up in Britain and consider yourself to be British?

[Saracen]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)
Great story that.You will excuse me for observing that while commenting that muslims are "rightly sick of rising islamophobia", you actually perpetuate Islamophobia in the same paragraph! All in my humble opinion, of course.

[Saracen]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196)
27% of people having "some sympathy for the motives behind the attack" is completely different from 27% advocating the violence.
You could have some sympathy for people being offended by the cartoons yet find violence completely abhorrent.
I do see your point and of course, people will always interpret questions in different ways.. but 'sympathy for the motive behind the attack', to me is largely the same as having sympathy for the attack, because 'the motive' by definition is the reason for the attack. As you say, radical, fascist ideologies don't permit any form of reasoned discussion or debate.

[purple haze2]

46% feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being Muslim in BritainWhy are so many coming to a country that a lot of them dislike or even hate ?

[purple haze2]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)
Great story that.
The greatest victims of Islamic extremism is muslims, so to firmly oppose Islamic extremism is to show support for the vast majority of muslims.Dangerous times ahead.

[JamesWales]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)
Great story that.
The greatest victims of Islamic extremism is muslims, so to firmly oppose Islamic extremism is to show support for the vast majority of muslims.And to accuse me of islamophobia is laughable and a very sad state of affairs. Radical, militant islam is a bad thing. Islam isn't. If you don't get that, then I trust you make an effort to understand.

[Saracen]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)
Great story that.
The greatest victims of Islamic extremism is muslims, so to firmly oppose Islamic extremism is to show support for the vast majority of muslims.
Let's be clear. 27% of those surveyed refused to condemn a violent reaction to images of mohammed. People in Paris were shot in cold blood for goodness sake. It's like 27% of people thinking the Holocaust wasn't a bad thing.Consider this: British Marine Alexander Blackman was sentenced to at least 10 years in prison (commuted on appeal, I believe) for killing an unarmed and seriously wounded enemy combatant. There was a significant outpouring of outrage at the sentence, with many expressing the opinion that this murder was justified and the sentence should be reversed. Do you conclude that the majority of British citizens' refusal to condemn his actions "completely unacceptable in civilised society"? He shot the man in cold blood for goodness sake. It's like the majority of Brits thinking the Holocaust wasn't a bad thing. (sound familiar?)

[goslow]

And in the other news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/114 27713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html)
Great story that.
The greatest victims of Islamic extremism is muslims, so to firmly oppose Islamic extremism is to show support for the vast majority of muslims.
Let's be clear. 27% of those surveyed refused to condemn a violent reaction to images of mohammed. People in Paris were shot in cold blood for goodness sake. It's like 27% of people thinking the Holocaust wasn't a bad thing.
That is a completely unacceptable statistic in any civilised society, and I don't think brushing it under the carpet helps anyone, least of all the vast majority of British muslims who are rightly sick of rising islamophobia.What was your previous username?

[Saracen]

What was your previous username?I don't have one. I'm relatively new to the forum.

[goslow]

What was your previous username?
I don't have one. I'm relatively new to the forum.Course you are http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif

[Mrs Steve R]

What was your previous username?
I don't have one. I'm relatively new to the forum.
Course you are http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[NathanBloke]

Then this is proof:Are you trying to get noticed by the daily fail?

[fmadmin2]

[Saracen]

What was your previous username?
I don't have one. I'm relatively new to the forum.
Course you are http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif I'm so pleased we straightened that out. My day would have been absolutely ruined if you disbelieved me!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/wave.gif

[Observer]

I'm Saracen!

[Saracen]

I'm Saracen!No, I'm Saracen!!!

[JamesWales]

Then this is proof:
Although on this occasion, I'd rather the media play it cool..if 27% of any other section of society advocated the violent response to a non-violent act of free speech...would the headline be so calm?My point was to highlight the way the media will steer an opinion in a direction.

[Observer]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?

[Colon Man]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?A very large percentage I'd imagine.

[Observer]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.It seems fairly obvious from reading the content of common debates that many people get their information verbatim from the mainstream news outlets.

[Heisenberg]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.
How large?It's just you and Mrs Steve R who question anything, mate. Please let us know where you get the real truth from http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Observer]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.
How large?
It seems fairly obvious from reading the content of common debates that many people get their information verbatim from the mainstream news outlets.But usually you just have to wait for it to come out of it's own accord.

[Observer]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.
How large?
It seems fairly obvious from reading the content of common debates that many people get their information verbatim from the mainstream news outlets.By the way, what is your definition of truth?

[Heisenberg]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.
How large?
It seems fairly obvious from reading the content of common debates that many people get their information verbatim from the mainstream news outlets.
It's just you and Mrs Steve R who question anything, mate. Please let us know where you get the real truth from http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gifAre you serious? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

[Observer]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.
How large?
It seems fairly obvious from reading the content of common debates that many people get their information verbatim from the mainstream news outlets.
It's just you and Mrs Steve R who question anything, mate. Please let us know where you get the real truth from http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
By the way, what is your definition of truth?Furthermore, any information is open to manipulation and distortion at many levels as it passes through the hands of various supervisors, press secretaries, media directors, strategists, policy directors, reporters, editors, etc.

[Ainsley Harriott]

What percentage of the population attempt to decipher the media instead of taking it at face value?
A very large percentage I'd imagine.
How large?
It seems fairly obvious from reading the content of common debates that many people get their information verbatim from the mainstream news outlets.www.ropeywordpress.blogspot.com

[Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond]

See this:

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=michelle+keegan+bikini&am p;biw=1187&bih=673&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X &ei=WH_wVI-OOuaOmwWHmYLoAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=michelle+keegan+bikini&biw=1187&bih=673&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=WH_wVI-OOuaOmwWHmYLoAw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ)



Now tell me what this thread was all about.

[Observer]

See this:The provenance of information http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

[Observer]

There is a very good example of the distortion of truth right here!


http://s1.postimg.org/6ksxdu7an/image.png

[Mrs Steve R]

There is a very good example of the distortion of truth right here!That's a blatant lie. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif

[Observer]

A white bikini indeed .. she's probably not even on St Vincent beach!