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Announces he's going to stand for labour leadership.
Proper socialist in my view, Roman Catholic and seeker of justice for the 96.
There's someone I'd be happy to support
Announces he's going to stand for labour leadership.I'm not sure that the families of the people who needlessly died at the Staffs NHS trust would totally agree with that.
alfie sherwood
13-05-15, 17:48
The best of the three contenders so far but it's early days.
Umunna looks the part and is a smooth operator but is there substance behind the style? and will he make the mistake of trying to resurrect New Labour?
The best of the three contenders so far but it's early days.Alfie, any comments on Burnam's overseeing of thebStaffs NHS trust?
I wonder how long it would take for his "scouse" accent to return if he was running http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
I don't want a leader of Labour who has never got closer to Wales than Paddington station and never closer to Scotland than Highbury. Andy Burnham at least breaks out of those parameters.
Andy Burnham's explanation for the actions he took is convincing, especially when you see what happened after Andrew Lansley got his hands on the enquiry.
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/2013/11/30/i-have- no-regrets-over-scandal-says-andy-burnham/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/2013/11/30/i-have-no-regrets-over-scandal-says-andy-burnham/)
The second comment sums it up (don't be confused by the User Name!):
True Blue
December 2, 2013 3:57 pm
Well done Andy Burnham! He said from the beginning that what went on in the hospital was scandalous. He set up the Francis Inquiry and offered the Inquiry more powers if they needed them. The Coalition Government interfered and as a result the 2nd Inquiry took 2 years, 8 months and cost £13.7m.
Meanwhile it was the staff that had to sort the hospital out and make it run safely and well.
alfie sherwood
13-05-15, 18:12
The best of the three contenders so far but it's early days.
Umunna looks the part and is a smooth operator but is there substance behind the style? and will he make the mistake of trying to resurrect New Labour?I have a professional interest in the NHS and in my opinion both Labour and the Tories have a lot to answer for over the years.
The best of the three contenders so far but it's early days.
Umunna looks the part and is a smooth operator but is there substance behind the style? and will he make the mistake of trying to resurrect New Labour?
Alfie, any comments on Burnam's overseeing of thebStaffs NHS trust?Yet you still support the health secretary of the time of the scandal as a potential future PM??
alfie sherwood
13-05-15, 18:38
The best of the three contenders so far but it's early days.
Umunna looks the part and is a smooth operator but is there substance behind the style? and will he make the mistake of trying to resurrect New Labour?
Alfie, any comments on Burnam's overseeing of thebStaffs NHS trust?
Mid Staffs was a disgrace on many different levels. Let's be fair here Croesy, as a Tory there is absolutely no moral high ground for you to take regarding the health service.
The best of the three contenders so far but it's early days.
Umunna looks the part and is a smooth operator but is there substance behind the style? and will he make the mistake of trying to resurrect New Labour?
Alfie, any comments on Burnam's overseeing of thebStaffs NHS trust?
Mid Staffs was a disgrace on many different levels.
I have a professional interest in the NHS and in my opinion both Labour and the Tories have a lot to answer for over the years. And as a leftie there is most certainly no moral high ground for you to take given mid staffs and the welsh NHS.
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Andy Burnham is a political lightweight. Nice guy but would be taken apart by the Tory press just as Miliband was. That goes for Cooper, Hunt and that woman no-one's ever heard of as well. The only candidate in with a chance of turning this debacle around in five years is Chuka Umunna and if they overlook him they really do have a death wish.
gandalf1927
13-05-15, 19:42
Andy Burnham is a political lightweight. Nice guy but would be taken apart by the Tory press just as Miliband was. That goes for Cooper, Hunt and that woman no-one's ever heard of as well. The only candidate in with a chance of turning this debacle around in five years is Chuka Umunna and if they overlook him they really do have a death wish.I'd like to see Burnham but unfortunately this is the truth
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh. Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
Andy Burnham is a political lightweight. Nice guy but would be taken apart by the Tory press just as Miliband was. That goes for Cooper, Hunt and that woman no-one's ever heard of as well. The only candidate in with a chance of turning this debacle around in five years is Chuka Umunna and if they overlook him they really do have a death wish.Bring it on.
I agree about Dan Jarvis although he's ruled himself out this time because of his family situation but he could well be leader if it goes tits up again in five years time.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-05-15, 04:54
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up. The man is a trolling asshole
Announces he's going to stand for labour leadership.Just had a left leaning politician failure effort in Ed , so the country has told us it doesn't want left socialist politics, it wants a middle ground centralist direction . Pity as Andy Burham seems a decent guy, didn't he resign from Blair's government because of the New labour political direction ?
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-05-15, 10:15
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.No you really are a trolling asshole
Announces he's going to stand for labour leadership.
Proper socialist in my view, Roman Catholic and seeker of justice for the 96.PS. it could be said that Alfie started the political point scoring with the NHS.
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-05-15, 11:16
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.Go piss up a tree
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a treeOh, grow up for goodness sake.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-05-15, 11:24
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a tree
Oh, grow up for goodness sake.You are one of the most snidey obnoxious ****s on here when you are getting leathered, go and take a long walk, followed by another one
GRUMPYS DEN
14-05-15, 19:05
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a tree
Oh, grow up for goodness sake.
You are one of the most snidey obnoxious ****s on here when you are getting leathered, go and take a long walk, followed by another one You are as bad as each other-why not both grow up????
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a tree
Oh, grow up for goodness sake.
You are one of the most snidey obnoxious ****s on here when you are getting leathered, go and take a long walk, followed by another one
You are as bad as each other-why not both grow up???? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.
Elwood Blues
14-05-15, 23:17
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a tree
Oh, grow up for goodness sake.
You are one of the most snidey obnoxious ****s on here when you are getting leathered, go and take a long walk, followed by another one
You are as bad as each other-why not both grow up????
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif Please!!!!!
Mick the Miller
15-05-15, 06:03
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a tree
Oh, grow up for goodness sake.
You are one of the most snidey obnoxious ****s on here when you are getting leathered, go and take a long walk, followed by another one
You are as bad as each other-why not both grow up????
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
God almighty no wonder people have stopped using this board.The MB needs cleansing and would benefit greatly from it. He adds nothing apart from insults to any reasonable argument.
Not entirely sure political point scoring with the NHS and moral high ground go together tbh.
Using people's death's and suffering to score political points is part of Croesy's make up.
The man is a trolling asshole
Sludge, having a different opinion to yours does not represent trolling. When you appreciate that you will be worth talking to. Not before.
No you really are a trolling asshole
As I have said on several occasions, if you don't like or don't agree with anything I write on here why not just put me on ignore rather than continue with the snidey, childish abuse.
Go piss up a tree
Oh, grow up for goodness sake.
You are one of the most snidey obnoxious ****s on here when you are getting leathered, go and take a long walk, followed by another one
You are as bad as each other-why not both grow up????
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
God almighty no wonder people have stopped using this board.
Why Don't people either put each other on ignore or use the PM functionSome people need to take a step back and have a think about what they say to him, much of the abuse he receives is unwarranted and frankly quite disgraceful.
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.Do you have any idea what is political views are? Do you know if he would lead the Labour Party to left or the right? Or doesn't that matter as long as he has a good CV?
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.You raise a fair point. He seems to be neither to the left or right. Sadly i think it will become more difficult for a Labour leader to get elected given the onslaught they are sure to face from the right wing press, Jarvis would be hard for them to attack on a personal level so we may at least get a campaign which discusses the issues and not how someone eats a bacon sandwich.
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.I think that is correct gnasher but he's said he won't stand this time because of his family and I'm sure he won't do a "Farage" and change his mind. I know some see Burnham as the right choice but I'm afraid he comes over as very lightweight to me and like it or not Mid Staffs will be chucked at him fairly or not. Also he was one of those who tried to knife Brown when he looked like losing in 2005 and was rumoured at undermining Ed in the run up to this one, so I think he may have made a few too many enemies in the party. As I've said before Chuka Umunna would be my choice this time round. Well spoken, public school educated and like it or not that is what the electorate want in their Prime Minister whether they admit it or not. And for an obvious reason the press would be less likely to make personal attacks - I know that shouldn't have to be the case but in this day and age it most certainly is.
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.None of the candidates for leader (so far) come from the left of the Labour Party.
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.Quite hard to find a Labour mp who comes from the left of the party.
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.
Do you have any idea what is political views are? Do you know if he would lead the Labour Party to left or the right? Or doesn't that matter as long as he has a good CV?In addition, it's quite interesting that typical non labour voters are now lecturing the Labour party on what type of leader they must elect.
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.
Do you have any idea what is political views are? Do you know if he would lead the Labour Party to left or the right? Or doesn't that matter as long as he has a good CV? http://labourlist.org/2015/01/16-labour-mps-release-statemen t-calling-for-change-in-party-policy-direction/ (http://labourlist.org/2015/01/16-labour-mps-release-statement-calling-for-change-in-party-policy-direction/)
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.
Do you have any idea what is political views are? Do you know if he would lead the Labour Party to left or the right? Or doesn't that matter as long as he has a good CV?
None of the candidates for leader (so far) come from the left of the Labour Party.One would hope that there were more than 15. And Dianne Abbott as the most high profile!
Dan Jarvis was my choice because he is the opposite of a career politician. He has a great CV.
Of those that are standing Burnham is the best bet. He can at least communicate effectively to traditional Labour voters. Umunna won't be able to do that.
Whoever becomes leader had a massive task on their hands.
Do you have any idea what is political views are? Do you know if he would lead the Labour Party to left or the right? Or doesn't that matter as long as he has a good CV?
You raise a fair point. He seems to be neither to the left or right. Sadly i think it will become more difficult for a Labour leader to get elected given the onslaught they are sure to face from the right wing press, Jarvis would be hard for them to attack on a personal level so we may at least get a campaign which discusses the issues and not how someone eats a bacon sandwich. If that's aimed at me I did vote Labour in the end although admittedly with no great enthusiasm.
Burnham has reversed Miliband's vote losing position and now supports an EU referendum and wishes to see something done about cheap foreign labour undermining British workers pay and conditions. (If anyone thinks this is a new policy they should read a history of the Labour Party) With Chuka having bottled it I find myself warming to Burnham more and more.
alfie sherwood
17-05-15, 12:54
Burnham has reversed Miliband's vote losing position and now supports an EU referendum and wishes to see something done about cheap foreign labour undermining British workers pay and conditions. (If anyone thinks this is a new policy they should read a history of the Labour Party) With Chuka having bottled it I find myself warming to Burnham more and more.Burnham, on the other hand, has impressed me so far. Straight out of the blocks to enter the leadership race and immediately calling for a quick in/out EU referendum. A smart move. Labour's failure to recognise the importance of this issue was a vote loser at the last election.
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