View Full Version : Hen Wlad Fyn Hadau v God Save The Queen
The Penguin
20-06-15, 17:39
If you do t know where our anthem came from.....
The writer Evan James was contacted by his cousin who had moved to America and wanted him to join him there, telling him how amazing America was.
Evan, in a series of letters, wrote poetry depicting what Wales meant to him and how he could not leave. The language, the music, the heart of Wales was too precious too him.
God Save the Queen ( or King ) is not about a country at all, it's about serving a family ( in this case German ) and wishing them wealth and good fortune, vowing to fight for that family.
It's little wonder there is not much passion when it is sung.
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
Taunton Blue Genie
20-06-15, 17:48
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.There really is no credible counter-argument to that statement. It is a musical and ideological atrocity!
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.
The much loved verse 6:
Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/u/uks+national+anthem/god+save+th e+queen_20983467.html (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/u/uks+national+anthem/god+save+the+queen_20983467.html)
Taunton Blue Genie
20-06-15, 18:01
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)By the way, the Spanish National Anthem doesn't have any words.
Gwynedd Blue
20-06-15, 18:09
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.The tune was popular during the American Civil War. Ignoring the lyrics for as moment, I think that Mae Hen Wlad... is much more stirring. It rises, emotionally as the song progresses. God Save is flatter, weaker, and the ending peters out. But then I am biased, I suppose.
Taunton Blue Genie
20-06-15, 18:13
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.As a republican atheist I wouldn't like God Save the Queen if it was upbeat!
Gwynedd Blue
20-06-15, 18:24
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.
It was also used by Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden and Russia at different points in history, I believe.And we also have Calon Lan - tunes don't get much better, in my view (though there is too much God in the lyrics).
Pearcey wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 18:57] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)So, a resounding win for the underdog on here.
Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 19:01] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.I like the Russian anthem.
The French is the best by a country mile.
The Italians have a corker as well.
Subjective, obviously, but you would have a job persuading me to to go against those two.
Can't see how la marseillaise is the best.
Cardiff Irish
20-06-15, 18:50
England should have Jerusalem, that's a great song.
billy Connolly got it right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ
I wonder how many people sing 'Hen Wlad Fyn Hadau' with pride actually know the full English translation? Although I'm not sure that it really matters.
Can't see how la marseillaise is the best.Vive La France!
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:You might have to wait 10 years judging by the age of the Queen Mother when she passed on.
Majorblue wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 19:40] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.Russian or Soviet as reinstated by Meerkat Putin ?
Der Kaiser
20-06-15, 19:54
Not sure if I like the anthem or just the crowds singing.
Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j5ucKaBtR4
Pearcey wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 19:42] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.
It was also used by Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden and Russia at different points in history, I believe.Is there a difference?
The French is the best by a country mile.Agreed, but other way around for me.
gurkhablue
20-06-15, 21:21
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.
It was also used by Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden and Russia at different points in history, I believe. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
Dislike the American or Canadian anthems, quite like the Scottish. The majority of anthems are better when not sung in English, most are just "flag", "pride", "war", "forever" in one order or another.
saganspirit
21-06-15, 00:58
Can't see how la marseillaise is the best.The background to that anthem has a lot more meaning than most anthems - The Revolution.
Majorblue wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 19:40] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.totally agree, the russian and welsh anthems are no1 and 2 in my opinion. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
purple haze2
21-06-15, 01:44
Pearcey wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 19:42] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.
It was also used by Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden and Russia at different points in history, I believe.Today's hot topic, best national anthems
Pearcey wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 19:42] GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)
It will be God Save The King in the not too distant future, of course.
Bizarre that Lichtenstein want that for their national anthem.
It was also used by Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden and Russia at different points in history, I believe.Yep same here.
Taunton Blue Genie
21-06-15, 08:14
GSTQ is the worst of all national anthems. Dreadful.
And the abysmal tune is shared with Liechtenstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWmDbMbDZKk)The whole concept is medieval to me so which of them sits on the throne matters not.
pompeyblue
21-06-15, 12:12
I thought GSTQ was supposed to be the British anthem with Land of Hope and Glory being the English one, neither of which are that uplifting.
Hen Wlad for me closely followed by the Itailian Anthem.
Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond
21-06-15, 12:17
Turn the sound up and listen to this rousing rendition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM4mIlYKG9s
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
I thought GSTQ was supposed to be the British anthem with Land of Hope and Glory being the English one, neither of which are that uplifting.Have you ever watched an England football match?
Turn the sound up and listen to this rousing renditionWho needs a choir. That was some anthem.
Saundersfootblue
21-06-15, 15:09
England should have Jerusalem, that's a great song.There was no such place as England when Jesus was alive.England is a relatively new country.So Jerusalem would be wrong.
I thought GSTQ was supposed to be the British anthem with Land of Hope and Glory being the English one, neither of which are that uplifting.
Hen Wlad for me closely followed by the Itailian Anthem. GSTQ is the British anthem and England don't have an official one is my understanding. The blurring of the lines between British and English is a problem (imo) that extends beyond the anthems.
I thought GSTQ was supposed to be the British anthem with Land of Hope and Glory being the English one, neither of which are that uplifting.
Hen Wlad for me closely followed by the Itailian Anthem.
Have you ever watched an England football match? True. The BBC thinks it's the EBC when it comes to much of its sports coverage.
England doesn't have an official anthem, but if it did, it would have to be Jerusalem (which I had at my wedding).
Here's the best version of it
https://youtu.be/HwtSdJaPCSI
Now here's the proper version
https://youtu.be/MKRHWT6xdEU
It's a beautiful hymn and one many English consider their proper anthem.
pompeyblue
21-06-15, 16:38
I thought GSTQ was supposed to be the British anthem with Land of Hope and Glory being the English one, neither of which are that uplifting.
Hen Wlad for me closely followed by the Itailian Anthem. I can remember a Wales England rugby match at Twickers where they only played GSTQ and the Welsh players refused to move until they sang Hen Wlad Fyn Hadau.
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.
unfortunately the british anthem is way out of date and touch, it stems back to colonial days, and does not reflect how many people feel today. many people in this country would get rid of the monarchy tomorrow, because they are simply out of touch, and do not represent the vast majority of the british public.
jerusalem, land of hope and glory, nimrod, even vangelis chariots of fire, would be far better choices.
britain is no longer a world super power, and the anthem of god saves the queen makes a mockery of the british nation. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif .. spot the Leeds fan. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.and feel a right ****. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.
unfortunately the british anthem is way out of date and touch, it stems back to colonial days, and does not reflect how many people feel today. many people in this country would get rid of the monarchy tomorrow, because they are simply out of touch, and do not represent the vast majority of the british public. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
Cardiff Irish
21-06-15, 18:48
Now here's the proper versionGreat minds and all that mr Thornhill http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.
unfortunately the british anthem is way out of date and touch, it stems back to colonial days, and does not reflect how many people feel today. many people in this country would get rid of the monarchy tomorrow, because they are simply out of touch, and do not represent the vast majority of the british public.
jerusalem, land of hope and glory, nimrod, even vangelis chariots of fire, would be far better choices.god save the the queen is an absolute travesty of an anthem and is totally outdated, the monarchy are laughable and will probably be abolished in the next 20- 30 years. britain needs to become a republic and become a country for the people again, not the favoured few. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars I love reading your posts http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.
unfortunately the british anthem is way out of date and touch, it stems back to colonial days, and does not reflect how many people feel today. many people in this country would get rid of the monarchy tomorrow, because they are simply out of touch, and do not represent the vast majority of the british public.
jerusalem, land of hope and glory, nimrod, even vangelis chariots of fire, would be far better choices.
britain is no longer a world super power, and the anthem of god saves the queen makes a mockery of the british nation. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif And to have to resort to singing that generic dirge.
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.
unfortunately the british anthem is way out of date and touch, it stems back to colonial days, and does not reflect how many people feel today. many people in this country would get rid of the monarchy tomorrow, because they are simply out of touch, and do not represent the vast majority of the british public.
jerusalem, land of hope and glory, nimrod, even vangelis chariots of fire, would be far better choices.
britain is no longer a world super power, and the anthem of god saves the queen makes a mockery of the british nation. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Jerusalem - great , tune words utterly iffy for the 21st Century. Would need a re-write. And then it is not Jerusalem any longer.wales and scotland have no need to change their anthems, but the english certainly do. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars How about diamonds are forever...Don Revie loved a bit of shirl http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/tong.gif
the french and germans have both got great national anthems, but history says it made no difference whatsoever, when it came to past wars
they both got battered by the british and russians respectively, an anthem should reflect the peoples perception about how they feel about their country.the welsh and scottish have far better anthems to stir the passions http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Chariots of Fire as the national anthem, my god that is one of the funniest things I've ever read on here http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Maybe they could use the Mr Bean version from the London 2012 opening ceremony?
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