View Full Version : Yesterday's attendance - some facts and figures
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 08:41
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.
Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was 3,628 down on the smallest crowd of the 2014/15 season (19,057 v Blackburn Rovers on a Tuesday evening in February 2015), 5,694 down on last season's average of 21,123 and 7,086 down on the equivalent fixture against Fulham in January 2015, when the official figure was given as 22,515.
Are you trying to tell that attendance is down? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Alex DeLarge
09-08-15, 08:49
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif like clockwork.
Grievous Angel
09-08-15, 08:49
Oh dear, how sad, never mind. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yawn.gif
Was this written by a computer?
tigerbaybluebird
09-08-15, 09:02
Where's the facts and figures off blue Cardiff shirts sold in the shortest period of time ???
Just imagine if we had lost, Gloat mode would be in overdrive
Eric The Blue
09-08-15, 09:05
I blame people who have stopped going for the decline in attendances.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 09:05
Where's the facts and figures off blue Cardiff shirts sold in the shortest period of time ??? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 09:06
I blame people who have stopped going for the decline in attendances. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 09:08
I blame people who have stopped going for the decline in attendances. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
NigelBlues
09-08-15, 09:09
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010. Maybe a rare beautiful weekend summer day at the weekend this year, early kick off time and the rugby in Cardiff affected things too but unless City compete at the top end this season, yesterday's crowd may well be as good as this season gets too.
the other bob wilson
09-08-15, 09:11
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010. We'll probably get lower crowds over the next few months as well, but yesterday's gate was still a few thousand up on what I would have predicted in May - I wasn't too upset by it under the circumstances.
NigelBlues
09-08-15, 09:16
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final. Understand your point but it bothers me as City took the best part of 15 years to build up the support to the levels they have enjoyed in recent times but, thanks to Tan's folly, 18 months to lose it all. It's a disgrace really.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 09:22
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.Tan's folly? TLG has proven in this thread that we had bigger crowds wearing red shirts and that all the "stay aways" who claimed they'd be back once we went back to blue were liars.
I was happy with the crowd , I doubt the club were.
Lots of hangers on have done one , granted long term fans have given up as well but it was to be expected. Added to the ridiculous shirt colour change we did n`t have any glory to entice people to buy a season ticket i.e. FA cup Final, League cup Final, Promotion to the greedy League, play off Final or a new stadium.
We just had a poor season in relative terms and lots of people for different reasons just did n`t renew or at best will pick and choose their games.
Sometimes you have to go backwards a bit to move forwards.
Jimmy Jimmy
09-08-15, 09:25
You can add on a couple of thousand to that figure a lot of people I know didnt go yesterday as they are either on holiday or about to go.
You will get a better picture come Sept / Oct.
Attendances will no doubt though be down on the last couple of seasons - mainly because we are not in PL or challenging for promotion to it and most definitely as no one is inspired by Slades teams.
If you could record the sound of paint drying coupled with vidoes of our recent performances - you would have a very very dull film.
Yesterday was slightly better - we have AGAIN got mid / lower half written all over us.
You can add on a couple of thousand to that figure a lot of people I know didnt go yesterday as they are either on holiday or about to go.You have more friends than me.
Sloop_Jon_Bee
09-08-15, 09:36
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012). Good point.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 09:39
You can add on a couple of thousand to that figure a lot of people I know didnt go yesterday as they are either on holiday or about to go.That would be the same for every other club and every other season. It's nonsense, though. As often as not, attendances in August are just as good (if not better) than they are at other times of the year.
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010. 12.00 pm kick off and Rugby international get over it you negative nit picking bastard
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 09:40
Tan's folly? TLG has proven in this thread that we had bigger crowds wearing red shirts and that all the "stay aways" who claimed they'd be back once we went back to blue were liars.How many people do you know who fit into the above category? Personally, I don't know any.
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.I didn't realise there was anybody left who still thought it was a good idea, Tan included.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 09:42
Tan's folly? TLG has proven in this thread that we had bigger crowds wearing red shirts and that all the "stay aways" who claimed they'd be back once we went back to blue were liars.
How many people do you know who fit into the above category? Personally, I don't know any.Maybe not personally but this board was action-packed with martyrs in the recent past. You can't have missed it.
NigelBlues
09-08-15, 09:42
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012). However they're not liars. They've been broken, lost their connection with City and have no more than passive interest. Most have found other and different things to do and now prefer that. Once the habit goes, you can't really get it back.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 09:43
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.
Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).Well TLG is showing us we might have to rethink the red and beermat, going back to blue is costing the club some serious support.
the other bob wilson
09-08-15, 09:50
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.You've only got to look at what has happened at the club down the years to realise that City have never been able to maintain crowds of 20,000 plus when results start to dip a little - add that to a the way the club has been turned into a laughing stock over the past few seasons and it's little surprise that even some of those who swore they'd be back when we returned to wearing blue have had enough.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 09:53
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.
Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).Nothing to do with "laughing stock" or the colour of shirts, it's just straight-up glory hunting.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 09:53
Maybe not personally but this board was action-packed with martyrs in the recent past. You can't have missed it.Of the many people I know personally who boycotted the club during the re-brand, I'd say about 50% have been to the occasional game since it was reversed, but only one or possibly two have bought season tickets again.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 09:57
Maybe not personally but this board was action-packed with martyrs in the recent past. You can't have missed it.
Personally, I know plenty of people stopped going when the club was initially re-branded and plenty more who stopped during the first season in red. Some said they would consider returning to watch games if the blue kit was restored, but not a single one ever said they would simply return to supporting the club as before. After all, the divisions caused by Tan and his re-brand were always about a whole lot more than just the kit colour.Ok but I'm not convinced attendances would suddenly spike if Tan left the club. What, in your opinion, would it take to get attendances as high as you seem to think they should be?
the other bob wilson
09-08-15, 09:58
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.
Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was 3,628 down on the smallest crowd of the 2014/15 season (19,057 v Blackburn Rovers on a Tuesday evening in February 2015), 5,694 down on last season's average of 21,123 and 7,086 down on the equivalent fixture against Fulham in January 2015, when the official figure was given as 22,515.I thought I said that - supporters rightly thinking that their club has become a laughing stock doesn't help either, nor does alienating hard core support, who had stuck with the club through the bad times in the past, with pointless and ill thought out changes of kit.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 10:01
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.
Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was 3,628 down on the smallest crowd of the 2014/15 season (19,057 v Blackburn Rovers on a Tuesday evening in February 2015), 5,694 down on last season's average of 21,123 and 7,086 down on the equivalent fixture against Fulham in January 2015, when the official figure was given as 22,515.
We'll probably get lower crowds over the next few months as well, but yesterday's gate was still a few thousand up on what I would have predicted in May - I wasn't too upset by it under the circumstances.Fair enough but I think people put too much stock in the minutiae of the club being the cause of attendance drops when in reality it's a simple matter of glory hunting.
So the good people of cardiff have gone back to supporting their first loves,man utd and liverpool.
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 10:02
So the good people of cardiff have gone back to supporting their first loves,man utd and liverpool.And the Wales rugby team.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 10:02
Ok but I'm not convinced attendances would suddenly spike if Tan left the club. What, in your opinion, would it take to get attendances as high as you seem to think they should be?Success on the field is obviously the only thing that will improve attendances.
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 10:06
Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.
It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?
Jimmy Jimmy
09-08-15, 10:08
You are the figures man - so perhaps you could have just posted - "attendances are down as some people no longer go"
Come on back TLG - it's just as you'd like it - crap football, a clueless manager, a team that will struggle against the weakest of opponents - there's plenty to moan and groan about for you here
alfie sherwood
09-08-15, 10:09
That was before what was easily the least interesting season that the newer breed of City fans gained over the past decade or so will have had to endure before now. It's simple really, you serve up crap football that sees the team win at home in the league just three times so far this year and you are bound to see gates drop - especially when there is no transfer business to get people enthusiastic again during the summer break.One of the main reasons previously devoted supporters (who boycotted) have failed to return is probably the length of time the rebrand reversal took. Two and a half years is a long time to be away, a long time for the connection to sever, a long time to find other things to do on a Saturday.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 10:53
Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.I wasn't aware there was a debate. Personally, I just find it interesting that attendances have now seemingly dipped to the lowest point in a decade. So much for Emperor Tan's 'vision', huh?
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 10:57
Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.
It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?Maybe if you could convince this "significant number of previously committed supporters" that you know to stop being so fickle instead.
Ring_Peace
09-08-15, 11:07
Hey TLG. http://youtu.be/kjJ1bsnxxhs
Oh dear, how sad, never mind. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yawn.gif I find it sad that many fans have packed it in, the impact of TAN will live long into the history of CCFC, with success I'm sure that many will join/re-join the fan base, these things happen in cycles, the club pre Hammam had always been very up and down with support, those perpetuating 1,000's returning when back in blue have to look at themselves and ask themselves why did they spout such nonsense, a big crowd here and there in the past, doesn't make CCFC a big club, for the population of the area its a minnow of a club, when in the 3/4th division cycle it'll be back to under 10k when serving up shite, the championship should see it average out at about 15k but if Slade is permitted to trot out shite after shite every week then it'll not be long before a few k drop off from the 15K, of course TLG is fishing with this thread but, if the same aggression was shown to TAN at the beginning of the re-brand was shown to TAN as it is to TLG, perhaps this mess would have been nipped in the bud a little sooner, I'm a little surprised how easy it has been, to forget the match day buzz, I have been back for the odd game and enjoyed it, football is competing for peoples spare cash on the W/E, many have discovered other ways to enjoy and spend their spare cash on other things and also realised that they have families who would like to see some of the spare cash, unless a return to the premier league happens pretty soon my guess is that, it will take 20 years before the damage done by TAN and the acceptance of HIM by fans of the club is repaired, not buying a pastie and a pint in the stadium was not a big enough rejection of him IMO, the threat of closure unless blah blah blah I have heard too many times and that is just from Borley!!, he's a mile from me, he's doing OK, I very much want the team to win, listened to the game yesterday but the cycle of trudging to the stadium on a Saturday has been broken, any spare cash is set aside for my next easy jet ticket, the cycle will come back I'm sure at some point but at this time, i just don't see when.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 11:32
That's a weird conclusion. Tan's 'vision' came to an abrupt end last season and you're still using it as a rod to beat the club with regarding yesterdays attendance.I think that's a very tough ask under the circumstances. I'm guessing the attitudes of such people have changed markedly in recent years. I reckon that, like me and and you, the majority of them have now got better things to do with their leisure time and disposable income than to squander it on supporting a bunch of mediocre and vastly overpaid professional footballers.
The Bennett Brother
09-08-15, 11:39
That was before what was easily the least interesting season that the newer breed of City fans gained over the past decade or so will have had to endure before now. It's simple really, you serve up crap football that sees the team win at home in the league just three times so far this year and you are bound to see gates drop - especially when there is no transfer business to get people enthusiastic again during the summer break.
You've only got to look at what has happened at the club down the years to realise that City have never been able to maintain crowds of 20,000 plus when results start to dip a little - add that to a the way the club has been turned into a laughing stock over the past few seasons and it's little surprise that even some of those who swore they'd be back when we returned to wearing blue have had enough. agree alfie. I quit once the rebrand was announced. ST money returned. ST went back to 1982. I haven't been back and won't be. I was actually at stamofrd bridge yesterday as a neutral. . quite amazing the way the fortunes of cardiff/swansea have worked out. one put fans on their board, stopped mega millioanire take overs and look where they are. cardiff, just wanted it all and sold their soul
Pompey (in Div 2) attracted 16,948 yesterday.
Just saying
bluethrough
09-08-15, 11:46
It seems we have apparently lost thousands of fans due to VT and there was 75000 at the rugby and the football has been poor . Having said all that I think that over 15000 seems not a bad turnout .
Oh dear, how sad, never mind. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yawn.gif
I find it sad that many fans have packed it in, the impact of TAN will live long into the history of CCFC, with success I'm sure that many will join/re-join the fan base, these things happen in cycles, the club pre Hammam had always been very up and down with support, those perpetuating 1,000's returning when back in blue have to look at themselves and ask themselves why did they spout such nonsense, a big crowd here and there in the past, doesn't make CCFC a big club, for the population of the area its a minnow of a club, when in the 3/4th division cycle it'll be back to under 10k when serving up shite, the championship should see it average out at about 15k but if Slade is permitted to trot out shite after shite every week then it'll not be long before a few k drop off from the 15K, of course TLG is fishing with this thread but, if the same aggression was shown to TAN at the beginning of the re-brand was shown to TAN as it is to TLG, perhaps this mess would have been nipped in the bud a little sooner, I'm a little surprised how easy it has been, to forget the match day buzz, I have been back for the odd game and enjoyed it, football is competing for peoples spare cash on the W/E, many have discovered other ways to enjoy and spend their spare cash on other things and also realised that they have families who would like to see some of the spare cash, unless a return to the premier league happens pretty soon my guess is that, it will take 20 years before the damage done by TAN and the acceptance of HIM by fans of the club is repaired, not buying a pastie and a pint in the stadium was not a big enough rejection of him IMO, the threat of closure unless blah blah blah I have heard too many times and that is just from Borley!!, he's a mile from me, he's doing OK, I very much want the team to win, listened to the game yesterday but the cycle of trudging to the stadium on a Saturday has been broken, any spare cash is set aside for my next easy jet ticket, the cycle will come back I'm sure at some point but at this time, i just don't see when.i have to be fair the shite was at least a better type of shite yesterday
A club needs two things to bring in the crowds: optimism that the team will win and a real connection between club and supporters.
Those two elements have gradually been growing since the FA cup final (perhaps before), rebrand maximised optimism for success while connection plummeted, the end result of the rebrand has been promise of leaner times and the club starting to think maybe a connection is important. 8 months of "blue is okay actually" hasn't done enough to boost us to the 18,000+ that would have been there without the rebrand years and it hasn't done enough to boost us to the 20,000+ that would have been there if the expectation of success had continued.
That the blue shirt sold more in its first day than any other shows the importance of blue, that the attendance has dropped showed (if there was any further proof needed) that Tan's rebrand was all short termism.
Ah well at least someone is happy.
Thats what we need togetherness and happiness.
Cardiff Irish
09-08-15, 12:15
Some Football fans are as fickle as a fourteen year old female in love.
We start winning they will come, we start losing people wont, simples as.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 12:19
Ah well at least someone is happy. I thought most people were happy after yesterday's game? That's the impression I got when I was reading the message boards this morning.
Ah well at least someone is happy.
I thought most people were happy after yesterday's game? That's the impression I got when I was reading the message boards this morning.We're all quite happy, stop stinking the place out with your bitter analysis.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 12:27
We're all quite happy, stop stinking the place out with your bitter analysis.You don't sound happy. You sound a bit, uh, well, bitter.
Sloop_Jon_Bee
09-08-15, 12:44
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012).
The last time Cardiff had a smaller attendance than yesterday's for their first home league game of a season was a decade ago in August 2005. On that occasion, 15,231 turned out on a Tuesday evening to see the Bluebirds beat Leeds United 2-1 at Ninian Park.
Only Brentford and Rotherham United have so far attracted smaller crowds than Cardiff City on the opening weekend of the 2015/16 Championship campaign (Preston North End are playing Middlesbrough at lunchtime today).Spedger
The extra fans who boarded the red promotion train haven't stuck around. And we've lost previously loyal and committed fans along the way too. So we're now left with lower crowds than before Tan started applying his foresight and nous.
So far this appears to be unravelling precisely as predicted.
Barry Dragon
09-08-15, 12:50
Was busier yesterday than most of last season. FACT.
If we go up or got to a Wembley final we'd sell around 25k season tickets, if we bum around mid table we'll have an average attendance of around 15k, if we go to league 1 about 12k.
It's mostly about success and always has been. I reckon Tan had alienated about 500-1k hardcore support but the low attendances now are mainly down to how sh1t we were last season and the low expectations for this season.
Simple/
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 12:53
Maybe not personally but this board was action-packed with martyrs in the recent past. You can't have missed it.
Personally, I know plenty of people stopped going when the club was initially re-branded and plenty more who stopped during the first season in red. Some said they would consider returning to watch games if the blue kit was restored, but not a single one ever said they would simply return to supporting the club as before. After all, the divisions caused by Tan and his re-brand were always about a whole lot more than just the kit colour.Just curious
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 12:57
Ok but I'm not convinced attendances would suddenly spike if Tan left the club. What, in your opinion, would it take to get attendances as high as you seem to think they should be?
I'm not convinced they would spike either. There are a significant number of previously committed supporters who will never return as a result of the damage done by Tan and his re-brand and plenty of others who will only ever take in the occasional game in the future.You're at it again, so perhaps help us out on this one as well. Many thanks
The extra fans who boarded the red promotion train haven't stuck around. And we've lost previously loyal and committed fans along the way too. So we're now left with lower crowds than before Tan started applying his foresight and nous.how do you know they havent stuck around and loyal fans have left http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif maybe these loyal fans are not so loyal after all or simply the same as most people just go to certain games
That's a weird conclusion. Tan's 'vision' came to an abrupt end last season and you're still using it as a rod to beat the club with regarding yesterdays attendance.
Maybe if you could convince this "significant number of previously committed supporters" that you know to stop being so fickle instead.Respect .
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:01
You are the figures man - so perhaps you could have just posted - "attendances are down as some people no longer go"No substance to validate any of it
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:03
Tan's folly? TLG has proven in this thread that we had bigger crowds wearing red shirts and that all the "stay aways" who claimed they'd be back once we went back to blue were liars.
How many people do you know who fit into the above category? Personally, I don't know any.Personally I know plenty.... No wait... Many
Great strike by Noone.
P.M.A.
There was major disconnection, division and disruption.
We all know this, but clearly choose to acknowledge it differently.
It could take years to get the full on fervour back.
If ever.
Remember when we used to look at other Teams' support and almost always observe that, compared to City, they were lacking in passion, fervour and joyful noise?
I think the outcome of the events of recent years is that we became a lot more 'like the others'.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:15
How many are "plenty and many" that you know personally? Just trying to gauge if it's a statistically significant number. It reads as though you might personally know thousands of people.How's that?
The extra fans who boarded the red promotion train haven't stuck around. And we've lost previously loyal and committed fans along the way too. So we're now left with lower crowds than before Tan started applying his foresight and nous.
So far this appears to be unravelling precisely as predicted.I don't know, but it seemed like common sense to me when people suggested it. And more likely than trying to find ways for Tan's strategy to be seen as a success. I also think the club know it and are now trying to address it.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:18
You're at it again, so perhaps help us out on this one as well. Many thanksI'd estimate the first figure to be at least 500 and the second to be more than 1,000 and probably a good deal higher.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:21
Personally I know plenty.... No wait... ManyReally? That's surprising because as someone who lives in Cardiff, ran a bus to away games, was heavily involved with the Supporters' Trust and was involved in a series of meetings between fans and club officials regarding the re-brand back in 2012, I don't know of any.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:22
How many are "plenty and many" that you know personally? Just trying to gauge if it's a statistically significant number. It reads as though you might personally know thousands of people.
Ooh, let me see now....There you go - that wasn't hard was it
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:24
Personally I know plenty.... No wait... Many
Really? That's surprising because as someone who lives in Cardiff, ran a bus to away games, was heavily involved with the Supporters' Trust and was involved in a series of meetings between fans and club officials regarding the re-brand back in 2012, I don't know of any. You need to get better connected then
GRUMPYS DEN
09-08-15, 13:24
Some Football fans are as fickle as a fourteen year old female in love.It's as simple as that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:25
There you go - that wasn't hard was itNo, it wasn't. But then it didn't make the initial contribution any more valid or interesting either.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:27
You're at it again, so perhaps help us out on this one as well. Many thanks
I'd estimate the first figure to be at least 500 and the second to be more than 1,000 and probably a good deal higher. Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:27
Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated. Indeed. So it was a waste of time asking for them, really.
Jimmy the Jock
09-08-15, 13:28
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010.
The crowd against Fulham was the smallest for a Cardiff City home league game since May 2008, when 14,469 turned out at Ninian Park to watch the Bluebirds beat Barnsley 3-0 a fortnight before the FA Cup final.
Yesterday's attendance was Cardiff's lowest on the opening weekend of a Football League season since way back in August 1999, when 10,193 saw the Bluebirds draw 1-1 with Millwall in the old Second Division, or League One as it is now known.
Before the current season, Cardiff City had had home fixtures on the opening weekends of six other Football League campaigns since 1999. The attendances for the relevant matches were: 17,403 (v Wycombe Wanderers in 2001), 18,840 (v Stoke City in 2007), 19,749 (v Southampton in 2008), 22,264 (v Scunthorpe United in 2009), 20,573 (v Sheffield United in 2010) and 21,127 (v Huddersfield Town in 2012). The red wearing wankers have moved along now. Back to the hardcore .... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:32
There you go - that wasn't hard was it
No, it wasn't. But then it didn't make the initial contribution any more valid or interesting either. Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)
Son of Red Moon
09-08-15, 13:33
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010. so what !!!
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:34
Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)That's nonsense.
Jimmy the Jock
09-08-15, 13:35
Better crowd than I expected.
Much better atmosphere than it has been for a long long time.
Those that did turn up sang more than we have had for a while.
It felt like watching my Cardiff City for the first time in a couple of years.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 13:38
Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.
Indeed. So it was a waste of time asking for them, really.Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 13:39
Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Better crowd than I expected.I'm too far away to return with any regularity now, but hope to catch a few and join in the noise. I've missed that.
Blue is clearly not working.
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 14:49
Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.
It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that. For many the evidence is fairly personal - from both our own decisions to attend or not or those we know. From this perspective it suggested to me that the club has lost a considerably percentage of their fans over the rebrand - some who have lost interest completely, whilst others just have less enthusiasm. Of course, I could be an exception in that regard though.
Here's a prediction- if we start playing great football and winning I think crowds will go up. If we are not doing well then I think crowds may go down.
It really is as simple as that- and was always the case regardless of the colour we played in. Surely there is nobody who thinks otherwise? So what's the debate here?
I wasn't aware there was a debate. Personally, I just find it interesting that attendances have now seemingly dipped to the lowest point in a decade. So much for Emperor Tan's 'vision', huh?Perhaps the measure that most shows that it did have an impact is posts like Jimmy Jimmy's - fans who are there now aren't going through the motions and stay behind the team when it isn't going so well, which you certainly didn't get during rebrand years.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:14
Only after clarity pal. Sort of renders the original comment meaningless as well eh?
Maybe, pal. But then most of your comments are meaningless if the truth be told. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/wave.gif
Its fairly easy to understand
Gloaters love to Gloat
When we are doing sh1t, crowds will be down, lets be honest here, we knew crowds would be down, its hardly earth shattering news is it ? ? ? BUT as I said above, Gloaters love to Gloat, if we have a poor start, you can bet your last quid, up will pop a " this is the worse start for X amount of years " or " this is the 6th worse start for the last 20 years " you get the picture
Now if we have a good start, we will have silence, no posts about anything positive, thats just the way it is
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:21
Perhaps not but we are now a lot clearer on the fact that everything associated with the last few years has possibly cost the club as many as 50 people you know personally who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with it anymore. (Apart from those who can't stay away from commenting on it... Obviously)
That's nonsense.No loss
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:23
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was. Why do you think 3,411 fewer fans attended yesterday's game than attended the 2007 fixture? Any ideas?
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:25
So you were lying about the number of people you knew then. 50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.No. You were lying when you said I know as many as 50 people who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with the club anymore. I've never said any such thing.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:31
50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.This is also nonsense.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:31
So you were lying about the number of people you knew then. 50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.
No. You were lying when you said I know as many as 50 people who used to be fans but are no longer 'interested' in anything to do with the club anymore. I've never said any such thing.?
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:32
50 is according to you the absolute maximum number of people you know who've stopped going.
This is also nonsense.Oh
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:34
"Ooh, let me see now....You'll note there is no mention of an "absolute maximum" of 50 people who have stopped attending matches and no mention of anyone who is no longer interested in anything to do with the club anymore, as you have suggested.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:37
"Of the 50-100 people I know personally who boycotted the club during the re-brand, I'd say about 25-50 of them have been to the occasional game since it was reversed, but only one or possibly two have bought season tickets again"
So up to half of them haven't totally abandoned CCFC. Whilst I'd agree that 50 is not an 'absolute' number ( sorry I got carried away with the frivolity of your words) I am still drawn to the conclusion that you are indeed a liar my friend.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:38
"Ooh, let me see now....
As an estimate I'd say I personally know more than 50 people who either stopped attending matches immediately following the re-brand or stopped during the first season, but less than 100."Oh, that's ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Back tracker
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:41
So up to half of them haven't totally abandoned CCFC. Whilst I'd agree that 50 is not an 'absolute' number ( sorry I got carried away with the frivolity of your words) I am still drawn to the conclusion that you are indeed a liar my friend.Incidentally, it would be unwise of you to refer to me as your friend again. You'd be lying if you did so. After all, I'm not your friend. You just wish I was.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:42
Oh, that's ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Back trackerI haven't back-tracked at all. It seems you simply have difficulty in understanding plain English.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 15:43
Just my conclusion based on the available data.
Why would it be unwise by the way?
Surely you see it's just a figure of speech old fruit
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 15:46
Just my conclusion based on the available data. What I see is somebody desperately attempting to appear clever but failing dismally. That's my conclusion based on the available data.
A very good attendance all things considered, as someone sad the atmosphere was a lot better.
For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.
Whilst I agree that the published attendance was down, imho the actual number of people in the ground was consistent with last season.
Clearly many ST holders last season, for whatever reason, didn't actually show up for games. It would appear that this season's ST holders actually turned up.
A very good attendance all things considered, as someone sad the atmosphere was a lot better. As someone else who is sad, the atmosphere made be feel better too.
For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.I imagine the rugby knocked a couple of thousand off too.
A very good attendance all things considered, as someone sad the atmosphere was a lot better.
As someone else who is sad, the atmosphere made be feel better too. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.
Whilst I agree that the published attendance was down, imho the actual number of people in the ground was consistent with last season.As did the bastard 12pm kickoff, holidays and the ashes.....and Golf http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
For reasons that should be fairly obvious, TLG's analysis is missing one vital element.
Whilst I agree that the published attendance was down, imho the actual number of people in the ground was consistent with last season.
Clearly many ST holders last season, for whatever reason, didn't actually show up for games. It would appear that this season's ST holders actually turned up.It was also the final day time trial in the Tour de Pologne.
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.I'm guessing the Wolves game will get an even lower attendance due to it being on TV.
Mario Miethig
09-08-15, 16:03
Better crowd than I expected.^^^^^^^^ This.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 16:29
I'm guessing the Wolves game will get an even lower attendance due to it being on TV. Don't know how many Fulham brought, but I'd imagine Wolves will sell their allocation. That should give the crowd a bit of a boost.
I'm guessing the Wolves game will get an even lower attendance due to it being on TV.
Don't know how many Fulham brought, but I'd imagine Wolves will sell their allocation. That should give the crowd a bit of a boost.A Fulham lad came back to the Cornwall with us, he said when http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif he got his ticket Friday it was about 800
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.Simples
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.
In 2006/07, Cardiff City finished 13th in the Championship. The team endured an abysmal end to the season which saw a run of 9 games without a victory.12 o ` clock kick off ,plus up against the Eggchasing free on TV and back then Stoke was a big fixture for us especially our nutters!
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 17:14
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player
A Quiet Monkfish
09-08-15, 17:24
The bitterness just doesn't go way..
Alex DeLarge
09-08-15, 17:25
Ah well, I think everyone has got what they wanted from this thread.
Roll on the 22nd, we may even lose that one.
Son of Red Moon
09-08-15, 17:38
so so ****ing sad is Dave must spend hours researching meaningless
figures and writing meaningless blogs
the lone gunman is the voice of reason even though im a leeds fan. there was 15,000 there yesterday.
tan got you up to the premier league and it was a miserable failiure, it wont happen again anytime soon, and even if it did you would come straight back down again get real ffs. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/malky.gif
bluebirds over.......
09-08-15, 17:45
First opening game i've missed in 40 years and the first time i have'nt had a season ticket in over 20 years, the shite football on display is not the reason i no longer want to go but i've found both our fans and the loony owner hard going over the last few seasons, from the sea of red v Brighton to the false "we'll always be blue" when we were in freefall and a owner happy to lose 25% support when the fairweather's were queing up to take their seats, shite sticks.
The Bennett Brother
09-08-15, 17:49
exactly that
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 17:52
Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player So let's get this straight - are you now suggesting that factors other than results and performances can have a significant effect on attendances?
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 17:54
so so ****ing sad is Dave must spend hours researching meaningless figures and writing meaningless blogsYou'd be surprised how quickly these things can be done if you have the necessary skills and intelligence, although in your case I suspect they would take months.
saganspirit
09-08-15, 18:00
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.
In 2006/07, Cardiff City finished 13th in the Championship. The team endured an abysmal end to the season which saw a run of 9 games without a victory.Hmm...
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 18:04
Hmm... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 18:08
Hmm...
Apparently, lots of people turned up hoping to see Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink play on 11/08/07 despite the fact that he didn't sign for the club until 16/08/07.so some people were a bit early, what people cant be early now ffs tlg you need to accept our lord jesus christ into your cynical heart jesus forgives you
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 18:09
Hmm...
Apparently, lots of people turned up hoping to see Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink play on 11/08/07 despite the fact that he didn't sign for the club until 16/08/07.Good memory. Still stands for robbie fowler though- we had nearly 10,000 for a friendly to see him didn't we? I'm sure you can remember the exact date and attendance
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 18:11
Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player
So let's get this straight - are you now suggesting that factors other than results and performances can have a significant effect on attendances?If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
The bitterness just doesn't go way..try cutting a lemon in 1/2 and sucking on it http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif it'll help
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 18:17
Good memory. Still stands for robbie fowler though- we had nearly 10,000 for a friendly to see him didn't we? I'm sure you can remember the exact date and attendance There was, though, a definite feelgood factor around the club back then after the signings of Fowler and Sinclair. The attendance for the Stoke game clearly had little to do with the previous season's form and performances as they had been abysmal in the closing months.
The Lone Gunman
09-08-15, 18:17
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree? Uh, no. I don't.
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 18:25
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then! Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 18:35
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :)
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
StraightOuttaCanton
09-08-15, 18:39
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then! He does know better. He knows of 50-100 people who don't attend for other reasons you know.
bluebirds over.......
09-08-15, 18:40
Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :) This club has lost a lot of what were loyal supporters due to the actions of a lunatic owner.
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 18:41
Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :) It's quite clear a lot of people renewed when we were in the prem to keep their seats around feb time (when we were within a point of the likes of swansea and hadn't been in the bottom 3 for the first 19 games) but the way things turned out they obviously found better things to do with their time throughout the season.
tan might have let you go back to blue, but that proves he is a clueless **** http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
he wont be there long, your fans need stability not a meglomaniac malaysian who thinks red is a lucky colour.
Father Dougal
09-08-15, 18:46
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale. Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Better crowd than I expected.Nice post, "true fan" http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.
he wont be there long, your fans need stability not a meglomaniac malaysian who thinks red is a lucky colour. Keep up, we have moved on now, we are back to blue and all if forgiven ( well apart from the 50 TLG knows )
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.
I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.your still going to be shit whether you play in red, blue, or sky blue pink with yellow dots on. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.
I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.
its a load of bollux, because unless tan invests serious money in the team, it does not matter what colour you play in. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Thanks Chris.
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.The fact the club are now making such of a play of blue makes it appear they at least think they've learnt something that is relevant to the potential future success of the club. Fans who nailed their colours to the mast seem to find this much more difficult (perhaps on both sides of the argument).
Under the Splott-light
09-08-15, 19:03
Speaking only for myself threads like this are one of the many reasons I no longer have a season ticket, my non renewal had nothing to do with personal finances, nothing to do with results, i've watched some absolute shit football over the years, and nothing to do with lack of ambition, up until a few years back ambition was purely to survive and stay in business.
I've had enough of the bickering and the bullshit of the last few years have worn me down and disolved away what was at one time an absolute obsession.
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances. plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif I remember Leeds!
bluebirds over.......
09-08-15, 19:26
Speaking only for myself threads like this are one of the many reasons I no longer have a season ticket, my non renewal had nothing to do with personal finances, nothing to do with results, i've watched some absolute shit football over the years, and nothing to do with lack of ambition, up until a few years back ambition was purely to survive and stay in business.Exactly how i feel, i used to count the days down to the start of the season even in the dungeon days, we were shite but at least we were united, too much bullshite in recent years from both fans and owner and it seemed on times that the team was a sideshow, as BB King once said The Thrill Has Gone.
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives. What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives. Let's face it, beating us is probably one of those once in a lifetime experiences for your fans so it's no wonder you all get so excited. Hoping you'll have something to tell the grand kids.
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved? we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 empty seats yesterday at Elland Rd big club http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Jimmy the Jock
09-08-15, 19:46
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well. This is a refreshing change from the usual bilge you post sonny. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Jimmy the Jock
09-08-15, 19:49
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so.
I can only speak on behalf of myself, and knowledge of friends and family in saying that none of us who have season tickets this year would have had them if the club had been playing in red.I don't quite remember the red one being such a big seller, even although we were playing in the premier league with a shed full of plastic supporters.
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif leeds dont play in a manufactured subbuteo stadium, your gates are shite end of story. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 EMPTY SEATS YOUR CLUB IS A JOKE http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif we know what colour we are wearing next week, you dont http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Colonel Cærdiffi
09-08-15, 19:55
we know what colour we are wearing next week, you dont http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Is that because you take a look at what colour Real Madrid are wearing?
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif TEN THOUSAND http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Yeah they travel to games because they don't want to stay in that shithole http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 empty seats yesterday at Elland Rd big club http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif and you have 10.000 who prefer to watch the rugby instead. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 empty seats yesterday at Elland Rd big club http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
leeds dont play in a manufactured subbuteo stadium, your gates are shite end of story. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Did you know that CARDIFF CITY hold the record attendance at your National football stadium?
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 empty seats yesterday at Elland Rd big club http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
leeds dont play in a manufactured subbuteo stadium, your gates are shite end of story. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif And you haven't beat us since when?
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
What a load of crap you dont bring 3000 every time you come here.Dreamer http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
we sell out everywhere we go sunshine. leeds support away is second to none. you send the tickets we will sell em http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif 10,000 empty seats yesterday at Elland Rd big club http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
leeds dont play in a manufactured subbuteo stadium, your gates are shite end of story. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
10,000 EMPTY SEATS YOUR CLUB IS A JOKE http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif the reality is your small fry and always will be, stick to chasing the egg. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Gofer Blue
09-08-15, 20:19
Oh children, please...
Thames Valley Bluebird
09-08-15, 20:47
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Couple of points
1. The upper ninian is looking a good investment for the FAW only at the moment
2. Are the lower prices making that much of a difference then? What's the season ticket sales to walk ups - If it was 10000 STs sold in the end were there 3-4000 walkups? More than last season?
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.Assuming yesterday's attendance figure was accurate, then based on my perception, the ground appeared pretty much as full as last season, so that would equal 3,000 walk ups last season (on top of the 18k ST holders, about 5,000 of whom didn't show up each week) if you follow my logic
Thames Valley Bluebird
09-08-15, 21:01
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Couple of pointsBaffled by where Tan wants to go next with this whole thing.
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Couple of points
1. The upper ninian is looking a good investment for the FAW only at the momentI get the impression that Tan is like a spoilt child, who was given a shiny new toy, broke it a bit, and now doesn't want to play with it anymore, so now we sit, unwanted, in the bottom of his toy box, while he plays with his new toys.
sidhooper7
09-08-15, 22:08
5 pages just to see Loon Gunman ridiculed and seen off by you heartless cynics. The poor sod posted at breakfast time and was still desperately posting and trying to show how little Cardiff City means to him at teatime .... well gone 7pm anyway.
Cant you people understand that he spent his life in a hopeless love affair with a bunch of overpaid idiots who kicked a ball round and now wont spend another minute of his now exciting and satisfying life giving even a moments thought to Cardiff City.....apart from 9 hours today ......pass the boy another lemon.
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010. Out of intrest, when was the last time you attended a season opening game at home?
Tell you what would help our club, if those who sit behind typewriters pointing our statistics ,and telling us how let done they feel , actually attended the game and supported our club those actual attendance figures would rise , mildly amusing that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Perhaps some of our "stay away " fans should take a long hard look at the "old enemy " the Leeds fans , as they support their team in big numbers and loyally ,year on year , no matter where they are, and lets be fair, they have more to feel depressed about than us, having fallen from such giddy heights in the footballing world : http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
5 pages just to see Loon Gunman ridiculed and seen off by you heartless cynics. The poor sod posted at breakfast time and was still desperately posting and trying to show how little Cardiff City means to him at teatime .... well gone 7pm anyway. thats harsh though, I wouldnt think he has finished with this tread yet, he might get another day out of trying to prove how much he has moved on with life
Tell you what would help our club, if those who sit behind typewriters pointing our statistics ,and telling us how let done they feel , actually attended the game and supported our club those actual attendance figures would rise , mildly amusing that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif your enemy is swansea pal and to be honest, i bet they dont give you a second glance, they dont need to, your way behind in the scheme of things, even a blind man can see that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well. Is it classed as 'away' support if they are just glory grabbers from Merthyr? I don't think so.
the other bob wilson
10-08-15, 04:18
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Couple of points
1. The upper ninian is looking a good investment for the FAW only at the moment
2. Are the lower prices making that much of a difference then? What's the season ticket sales to walk ups - If it was 10000 STs sold in the end were there 3-4000 walkups? More than last season?My thoughts exactly.
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Couple of points
1. The upper ninian is looking a good investment for the FAW only at the moment
2. Are the lower prices making that much of a difference then? What's the season ticket sales to walk ups - If it was 10000 STs sold in the end were there 3-4000 walkups? More than last season?
I THINK we had 18,000 ST holders last season, most Saturday's the attendance was quoted at around 21,000 which would suggest 3-4k walk ups.You can imagine how unattractive a proposition we would look to any new potential investors.
Cardiff Irish
10-08-15, 07:01
Tell you what would help our club, if those who sit behind typewriters pointing our statistics ,and telling us how let done they feel , actually attended the game and supported our club those actual attendance figures would rise , mildly amusing that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Perhaps some of our "stay away " fans should take a long hard look at the "old enemy " the Leeds fans , as they support their team in big numbers and loyally ,year on year , no matter where they are, and lets be fair, they have more to feel depressed about than us, having fallen from such giddy heights in the footballing world : http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif We know our place, keep on living your delusions dear.
Tell you what would help our club, if those who sit behind typewriters pointing our statistics ,and telling us how let done they feel , actually attended the game and supported our club those actual attendance figures would rise , mildly amusing that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Perhaps some of our "stay away " fans should take a long hard look at the "old enemy " the Leeds fans , as they support their team in big numbers and loyally ,year on year , no matter where they are, and lets be fair, they have more to feel depressed about than us, having fallen from such giddy heights in the footballing world : http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
your enemy is swansea pal and to be honest, i bet they dont give you a second glance, they dont need to, your way behind in the scheme of things, even a blind man can see that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif ^^^^ this, what a plum tydfil is http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
GRUMPYS DEN
10-08-15, 08:16
That chris turns everything into a bore fest-not that he needed much help here!!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
WJ99mobile
10-08-15, 08:41
Support with fickle/fair weather fans shocker.
Tell you what would help our club, if those who sit behind typewriters pointing our statistics ,and telling us how let done they feel , actually attended the game and supported our club those actual attendance figures would rise , mildly amusing that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Perhaps some of our "stay away " fans should take a long hard look at the "old enemy " the Leeds fans , as they support their team in big numbers and loyally ,year on year , no matter where they are, and lets be fair, they have more to feel depressed about than us, having fallen from such giddy heights in the footballing world : http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif No No, we still have a few Obsessed jacks who post on here, not as much as you seem to though http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 11:36
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.Amazing, huh? And not a single mention of Tories, Muslims or immigrants....
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 11:38
5 pages just to see Loon Gunman ridiculed and seen off by you heartless cynics. The poor sod posted at breakfast time and was still desperately posting and trying to show how little Cardiff City means to him at teatime .... well gone 7pm anyway. You're a nasty man, Sidney. So, so bitter it seems, but then I suppose that's understandable given your unswerving support for the Emperor and his failed re-brand. You must be feeling a bit foolish now I guess.
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 11:39
That chris turns everything into a bore fest-not that he needed much help here!!!! http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Loyal supporters still attend..thats all we need :) out of interest what qualifies you to be a loyal supporter
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 11:45
Out of intrest, when was the last time you attended a season opening game at home?First home game of the season: 2011
Whilst from a data integrity perspective I'm interested in how many you know personally, your estimates in this response add no value as they are unsubstantiated.
Indeed. So it was a waste of time asking for them, really.not really, because it has shown that your claims are made without substance and are based on emotion.
It would be interesting if attendances weren't a direct correlation to results and performances. Then it would be interesting to discuss why this was.
As it is attendances are an almost perfect direct correlation to results and performances- you seem to be suggesting (and have tried to suggest this for 3 years now) that the rebrand has had/ did have or even is having an impact on attendances- if so then apart from the handful of people you claim to know anecdotally then there is no evidence for that.the chance of a row with the naughty forty maybe? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Nice try. A lot of that was to do with people hoping to see robbie fowler and jimmy Floyd haselbaink. The next crowd was 16k then a 13k then a 12k. This time we signed 1 player on loan with a poor reputation who will likely be no more than a squad player
So let's get this straight - are you now suggesting that factors other than results and performances can have a significant effect on attendances?i think this was covered by expectation
Jimmy the Jock
10-08-15, 13:48
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Amazing, huh? And not a single mention of Tories, Muslims or immigrants....Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
Wrong Side of the Severn
10-08-15, 13:59
If you want to be pedantic about it (not that you would but just in case) then I will change the statement to attendances being directly related to on field matters and off field matters like the rebrand have no effect. Agree?
Uh, no. I don't.
So there is a debate then!
I am saying attendances are related to on field matters and that's pretty much it. What are you saying?
Do you think the decision to change us back to blue had nothing to do then with the level of ST sales at the time?
In January? Season tickets weren't even on sale.
OK concerns over renewals. I'm not sure the club were as confident as you are about your theory.
Well the return of blue has actually seen a decrease in attendances.
Maybe you are right- and the club panicked- thinking a return to blue would see an improved atmosphere and increased attendances- unfortunately they were wrong on both counts if so. Still the right decision (obviously) whatever the motives.
Are you saying the atmosphere hasn't improved?
When Chris is showing greater intelligence than you in a thread then you know it's not going well.
their is no atmostphere at cardiff surge, its garbage, its only when leeds turn up down there with 3,000 fans that they liven it up a bit. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
plastic stadium and plastic fans. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Leeds Peter Risdale is to blame for that.
Under the Splott-light
10-08-15, 14:14
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Amazing, huh? And not a single mention of Tories, Muslims or immigrants....
Until now...After the clubs main investors behaviour of the past few years can you not understand why..?
5 pages just to see Loon Gunman ridiculed and seen off by you heartless cynics. The poor sod posted at breakfast time and was still desperately posting and trying to show how little Cardiff City means to him at teatime .... well gone 7pm anyway.
Cant you people understand that he spent his life in a hopeless love affair with a bunch of overpaid idiots who kicked a ball round and now wont spend another minute of his now exciting and satisfying life giving even a moments thought to Cardiff City.....apart from 9 hours today ......pass the boy another lemon.Wonder what Jeff Sterling is advising around interesting statistics on a Saturday afternoon thees days, heady stuff this. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Always good to see TLG creating a five pager out of a dispassionate list of statistics.
Amazing, huh? And not a single mention of Tories, Muslims or immigrants....
Until now...
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC? What are your referring too?
Tell you what would help our club, if those who sit behind typewriters pointing our statistics ,and telling us how let done they feel , actually attended the game and supported our club those actual attendance figures would rise , mildly amusing that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Perhaps some of our "stay away " fans should take a long hard look at the "old enemy " the Leeds fans , as they support their team in big numbers and loyally ,year on year , no matter where they are, and lets be fair, they have more to feel depressed about than us, having fallen from such giddy heights in the footballing world : http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif Nah ""old skool" me ,Leeds is the sworn enemy, has been for a while, I don't bother with our welsh cousins.
Optimistic Nick
10-08-15, 14:40
I'm not reading all 5 pages, but has Gwyn popped in at any point to explain where his 20,000 season ticket holders were going to come from?
The Penguin
10-08-15, 15:57
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.
some people seem to want us to fail.
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 15:57
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC? How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
http://i.imgur.com/tZOS8.gif
The Penguin
10-08-15, 16:11
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 16:28
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.Fail? Fail to do what?
The Penguin
10-08-15, 16:31
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
Fail? Fail to do what? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
Under the Splott-light
10-08-15, 16:32
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
The Penguin
10-08-15, 16:35
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.i never said it wasnt, i was asking if he wanted it to. there is a big difference between watching a club fail from the sidelines with a sense of sorrow or watching it fail with a sense of glee and "i told you so"
The Lone Gunman
10-08-15, 16:35
not much of a swerve that was it?No, it wasn't. You're not making yourself clear. Ask a clear question and I'll attempt to answer it.
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
Fail? Fail to do what?
not much of a swerve that was it?In the old days ( before the bitterness set in really deep ) you might have got a witty retort, these days, nothing http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.We've lost a few plastics, no big deal really. 14,000 hardcore fanbase is still healthy. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/ayatollah.gif
TT BLUEBIRD
10-08-15, 20:16
It could turn out to be the best home attendance of the season !!
bluebirds over.......
10-08-15, 20:21
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
It's obvious that the club is failing regardless of what stance any fan or ex fan takes.To lose close on half of season ticket holders in a space of 12 months is far from healthy, i've been one of the one's not renewing and having had a season ticket every season since the heady days of Hibbit and co i certainly would'nt consider myself plastic.If i was running a business that has lost so many customers i'd be really concerned.
Out of intrest, when was the last time you attended a season opening game at home?
Opening weekend of the season: 2010What is the average home attendance of all the home openers you've attended since you started supporting the City?
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
It's obvious that the club is failing regardless of what stance any fan or ex fan takes.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Seeing has you have been a fan for so long surely it comes as no surprise that the attendance figure is governed by certain factors. Perhaps you can't remember NP when we had meagre crowds.
bluebirds over.......
10-08-15, 20:52
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
It's obvious that the club is failing regardless of what stance any fan or ex fan takes.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
We've lost a few plastics, no big deal really. 14,000 hardcore fanbase is still healthy. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/ayatollah.gif Football fans in general are very fickle and of course results play a big factor, having watched City through periods when we could'nt even afford to print a colour programme to leaving just one floodlight on until just before kick off and crowds below 2,000 but there was still a pride that this shitty club was ours regardless of results, now it feels different and the connection with club and fan has eroded over the last few seasons, for me irreparable damage was done in our chase for the gloryland and both club and fans sold it's soul to get there, maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
Taunton Blue Genie
10-08-15, 20:57
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
It's obvious that the club is failing regardless of what stance any fan or ex fan takes.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
We've lost a few plastics, no big deal really. 14,000 hardcore fanbase is still healthy. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/ayatollah.gif
To lose close on half of season ticket holders in a space of 12 months is far from healthy, i've been one of the one's not renewing and having had a season ticket every season since the heady days of Hibbit and co i certainly would'nt consider myself plastic.If i was running a business that has lost so many customers i'd be really concerned.Why are football fans fickle? Like everyone else in life they make their decisions on what they choose to do with their time and money at any juncture. It's not religion after all.
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.Its all down to success
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.
How about you, JJ? Are you bitter about what has become of the club you continue to support?
You do want the club to fail though dont you. You can at least stand up and be clear on that.
It's obvious that the club is failing regardless of what stance any fan or ex fan takes.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
We've lost a few plastics, no big deal really. 14,000 hardcore fanbase is still healthy. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/ayatollah.gif
To lose close on half of season ticket holders in a space of 12 months is far from healthy, i've been one of the one's not renewing and having had a season ticket every season since the heady days of Hibbit and co i certainly would'nt consider myself plastic.If i was running a business that has lost so many customers i'd be really concerned.I'd be lying to say that it had no affect but most people are bigger and stronger than all the bullshit that went on.
Jimmy the Jock
10-08-15, 21:04
Are you still bitter about leaving CCFC?
No, not at all. On the contrary, in fact.I do admire your ability to get a response from the masses , this message board misses you as much as you miss the football....whatever you say....
Jimmy the Jock
10-08-15, 21:06
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filledTook their red scarves and ****ed of back where they came from , cheering on Liverpool or Man u etc...
Taunton Blue Genie
10-08-15, 21:15
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success And imagining that red apparel was only snapped up by those who have since disappeared is rather disingenuous.
bluebirds over.......
10-08-15, 21:17
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success Sadly there was quite a few more than just glory hunters who took Tan's grubby free gift.
Jimmy the Jock
10-08-15, 21:35
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success
Wher are these glory hunters now?I know.
Jimmy the Jock
10-08-15, 21:38
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success
Wher are these glory hunters now?The club is stroking the supporters now to ensure their continued support.
Taunton Blue Genie
10-08-15, 21:41
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success
Wher are these glory hunters now?
Took their red scarves and ****ed of back where they came from , cheering on Liverpool or Man u etc... Indeed. And people will return (or not) depending on factors which are important to them.
Under the Splott-light
10-08-15, 21:47
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success
Wher are these glory hunters now?
Took their red scarves and ****ed of back where they came from , cheering on Liverpool or Man u etc...
So what? When are people going to accept that demand is increased under certain circumstances and that it's part of life. That demand falls away when the product is less appealing. Rail against human nature all your life by all means - but you are wasting your time.Apart from the blatantly obvious what else do you have to offer this thread. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Taunton Blue Genie
10-08-15, 21:54
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success
Wher are these glory hunters now?
Took their red scarves and ****ed of back where they came from , cheering on Liverpool or Man u etc...
So what? When are people going to accept that demand is increased under certain circumstances and that it's part of life. That demand falls away when the product is less appealing. Rail against human nature all your life by all means - but you are wasting your time.
And imagining that red apparel was only snapped up by those who have since disappeared is rather disingenuous.Some people aspire to the bleedin' obvious, you know http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
maybe my kind won't be missed but the problem is there is'nt many newcomers queing up to fill our seats.
The point is, they will, get the club back to the prem league and your seat will be filled
Its all down to success It still stands, if you dont suffer the lows, how do you know when its a high and then enjoy it
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.Do you honestly believe that posting attendance figures are a sign of wanting something to fail, seriously?
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.
some people seem to want us to fail.Myself I think the rugby would have taken a few off the attendance Saturday, I say that as I was one and I saw a few more regulars there as well.
Under the Splott-light
11-08-15, 11:18
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.
some people seem to want us to fail.
Do you honestly believe that posting attendance figures are a sign of wanting something to fail, seriously? which in itself tells a story, that many 'regulars' would prefer to attend a rugby friendly than Cardiff City's first competitive Championship match in what Russell Slade deems a play off season.
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.
some people seem to want us to fail.
Do you honestly believe that posting attendance figures are a sign of wanting something to fail, seriously?
Obviously the OP still has a keen interest in the club and that's why he posted the stats, why he stays away from attending is his own prerogative.Based on the team and the manager, his selections and the style of play we are unlikely to get too many more watching week in week out.
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.
some people seem to want us to fail.
Do you honestly believe that posting attendance figures are a sign of wanting something to fail, seriously?
Obviously the OP still has a keen interest in the club and that's why he posted the stats, why he stays away from attending is his own prerogative.Well I can only speak for myself in the fact that it's something my family do once a year, normally it's the Autumn Internationals but with the World Cup this year they chose that one. I do most games, home and away so i'm sure I can be forgiven to miss one.
Under the Splott-light
11-08-15, 11:52
id hazard a guess that should the attendance have been a record HIGH then the statistics so lovingly provided would not have appeared in a post.
some people seem to want us to fail.
Do you honestly believe that posting attendance figures are a sign of wanting something to fail, seriously?
Obviously the OP still has a keen interest in the club and that's why he posted the stats, why he stays away from attending is his own prerogative.
Myself I think the rugby would have taken a few off the attendance Saturday, I say that as I was one and I saw a few more regulars there as well. Of course, i'm not judging, besides I wasn't at the game myself. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Five pages of debate about why the attendance was so much lower than last season, when anyone who was actually at the game, will surely agree that the number of people actually in the ground was probably the same as most games last season.
The only real difference here is that the number that was announced was lower because last season's announced number included a large number of season ticket holders who weren't actually inside the ground.
The Lone Gunman
11-08-15, 12:49
Five pages of debate about why the attendance was so much lower than last season, when anyone who was actually at the game, will surely agree that the number of people actually in the ground was probably the same as most games last season. The only real difference here is that the number that was announced was lower because last season's announced number included a large number of season ticket holders who weren't actually inside the ground.What would you estimate those crowds were in reality?
Five pages of debate about why the attendance was so much lower than last season, when anyone who was actually at the game, will surely agree that the number of people actually in the ground was probably the same as most games last season. The only real difference here is that the number that was announced was lower because last season's announced number included a large number of season ticket holders who weren't actually inside the ground.
The crowd for the Fulham game back in January was announced as 22,515, while the attendance for the final game against Blackpool was officially 26,357.The actual tactical options after going a goal down were of interest not panic , no real ling ball , as was the form of Malone as an attacking full back, in fact the two back s have great promise , does show players can grow into from when given a chance and supported , they all look nice in the new blue kit, Happy Days
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.
if cardiff had maintained premier league status, you would still be playing in red now, and many would have carried on buying into tans vision. the consequent aftermath is your gates have dropped significantly from a couple of seasons ago, and unless cardiff return to the premier league in the near future, your gates will remain pretty much the same as they are now. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The Lone Gunman
11-08-15, 13:17
Five pages of debate about why the attendance was so much lower than last season, when anyone who was actually at the game, will surely agree that the number of people actually in the ground was probably the same as most games last season. The only real difference here is that the number that was announced was lower because last season's announced number included a large number of season ticket holders who weren't actually inside the ground.
The crowd for the Fulham game back in January was announced as 22,515, while the attendance for the final game against Blackpool was officially 26,357.
What would you estimate those crowds were in reality?Are you drunk?
Cretin Hop
11-08-15, 13:18
Yesterday's official attendance of 15,429 was the smallest by some distance for a Football League fixture at the Cardiff City Stadium. The previous lowest figure was 17,686 for a 2-0 victory over Peterborough United on a Tuesday evening in February 2010. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/wave.gif
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.Think our side has a more settled look now , back line looks stable, midfield needs some work , and a good goal poacher up front , which might be Doyle/ Mason alongside a bigger man ?
The Lone Gunman
11-08-15, 13:27
Round of applause for this research. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Under the Splott-light
11-08-15, 13:30
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.This is bang on, which is alarming considering who i'm in agreement with.
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.10,000 empty seats at Elland Rd last Saturday what was the reason for that?
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.
if cardiff had maintained premier league status, you would still be playing in red now, and many would have carried on buying into tans vision. the consequent aftermath is your gates have dropped significantly from a couple of seasons ago, and unless cardiff return to the premier league in the near future, your gates will remain pretty much the same as they are now. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif because elland road as a bigger capacity, than your plastic stadium. they was 28,000 there and leeds were on telly as well. you wont get that all season flower. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.
if cardiff had maintained premier league status, you would still be playing in red now, and many would have carried on buying into tans vision. the consequent aftermath is your gates have dropped significantly from a couple of seasons ago, and unless cardiff return to the premier league in the near future, your gates will remain pretty much the same as they are now. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
10,000 empty seats at Elland Rd last Saturday what was the reason for that?Why have you got such a big Stadium when you can't fill it? I mean 10,000 empty seats is a lot for a "BIG" club. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
the rebrand fiasco put paid to many fans returning, some of the stayaways will only return occasionally, many wont bother at all. going back to blue was an afterthought, the damage was already done by then.
if cardiff had maintained premier league status, you would still be playing in red now, and many would have carried on buying into tans vision. the consequent aftermath is your gates have dropped significantly from a couple of seasons ago, and unless cardiff return to the premier league in the near future, your gates will remain pretty much the same as they are now. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
10,000 empty seats at Elland Rd last Saturday what was the reason for that?
because elland road as a bigger capacity, than your plastic stadium. they was 28,000 there and leeds were on telly as well. you wont get that all season flower. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif we have a large stadium because we have a large fanbase, we also have a glorious and illustrious history, which includes playing premier league football for more than one season. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
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