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Can you believe this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34181475
saganspirit
08-09-15, 06:38
Can you believe this?Don't stop believing...
What's it got to do with Labour?
Asking stupid questions in the commons trying to score points on what right has Cameron to bomb the jihads, is that clear enough?
As the Sun headline reads
"wam bam cam man"
Or some form of eloquent response to the drone strike.
the other bob wilson
08-09-15, 07:28
Asking stupid questions in the commons trying to score points on what right has Cameron to bomb the jihads, is that clear enough?I think it's the duty of any opposition to ask "stupid" questions of the Government, especially when there such far reaching possible consequences to their decisions are there are with this one.
Asking stupid questions in the commons trying to score points on what right has Cameron to bomb the jihads, is that clear enough?
I think it's the duty of any opposition to ask "stupid" questions of the Government, especially when there such far reaching possible consequences to their decisions are there are with this one. Agree with that bob. Governments cannot act with impunity. By all means make the decision but involve the opposition leaders and show them the evidence so the government has full support of the house.
the other bob wilson
08-09-15, 07:57
Asking stupid questions in the commons trying to score points on what right has Cameron to bomb the jihads, is that clear enough?
I think it's the duty of any opposition to ask "stupid" questions of the Government, especially when there such far reaching possible consequences to their decisions are there are with this one.
Agree with that bob. Governments cannot act with impunity. By all means make the decision but involve the opposition leaders and show them the evidence so the government has full support of the house.Anyway, your reply makes it obvious that you did get what I was on about http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif .
GRUMPYS DEN
08-09-15, 08:06
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.
the other bob wilson
08-09-15, 08:11
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.The decision taken is one thing, but I thought the matter being discussed here is the opposition's right (and duty in my opinion) to ask questions of that decision. I'm not saying the Government was wrong with this decision, but it's pushed a previously closed door ajar so to speak and it's when the Government chooses to open that door further that I'm a bit uneasy about.
Jimmy Jimmy
08-09-15, 08:20
Labour and The Lib Dems could always say (for once) actually we agree with what the Govt did - there is NO law against this as far as I know.
Politics just for the sake of creating an argument is just time wasting - or in this case - a chance for Yvette Cooper to get her mug on TV for yesterdays news - trying to look 'statesman' like next to Harman - yawn
The only politician to say it was wrong - is ex cardiff councillor Mohamed Islam (Plaid Cymru) who is now the a UKIP member and candidate for next years WAG election http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Quite, also I see no reason whatsoever for the Government of the day to discuss with anyone or give a reason to bomb and obliterate any IS scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
the other bob wilson
08-09-15, 08:34
Labour and The Lib Dems could always say (for once) actually we agree with what the Govt did - there is NO law against this as far as I know.If the official opposition had done it's job properly when Blair was talking about Iraq's WMD and how we were forty five minutes away from a "chemical war", maybe so many British soldiers wouldn't have needed to die.
Mick the Miller
08-09-15, 08:44
Labour and The Lib Dems could always say (for once) actually we agree with what the Govt did - there is NO law against this as far as I know.
Politics just for the sake of creating an argument is just time wasting - or in this case - a chance for Yvette Cooper to get her mug on TV for yesterdays news - trying to look 'statesman' like next to Harman - yawnIt helps their guilty consciences.
GRUMPYS DEN
08-09-15, 08:56
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.
The decision taken is one thing, but I thought the matter being discussed here is the opposition's right (and duty in my opinion) to ask questions of that decision. I'm not saying the Government was wrong with this decision, but it's pushed a previously closed door ajar so to speak and it's when the Government chooses to open that door further that I'm a bit uneasy about.Not really sure that I have indicated differently.I repeat though that there may be times where in the national interest immediate action is necessary-and that applies whoever is in power.
Quite, also I see no reason whatsoever for the Government of the day to discuss with anyone or give a reason to bomb and obliterate any IS scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Bombing people doesn't work, we should all know that by now, it just creates more hatred and extremism. The UK needs to enter into dialogue with other Arab nations and shoe horn them into taking up the fight against IS.
Jimmy Jimmy
08-09-15, 09:05
Labour and The Lib Dems could always say (for once) actually we agree with what the Govt did - there is NO law against this as far as I know.
Politics just for the sake of creating an argument is just time wasting - or in this case - a chance for Yvette Cooper to get her mug on TV for yesterdays news - trying to look 'statesman' like next to Harman - yawnIf you had read what I wrote - then maybe the irony was lost on you - the only local politician to question what the Govt had done was Mohamed Islam (ex Plaid) and now UKIP candidate http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Russia are planning to destroy IS but the Saudi's are quite upset about it .. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1 1846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html)
Barry Dragon
08-09-15, 11:18
Quite, also I see no reason whatsoever for the Government of the day to discuss with anyone or give a reason to bomb and obliterate any IS scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Turned out spiffin' didn't it?We shouldnt have bombed Iraq, but as we did, we really should have bombed syria.
alfie sherwood
08-09-15, 11:19
Quite, also I see no reason whatsoever for the Government of the day to discuss with anyone or give a reason to bomb and obliterate any IS scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Turned out spiffin' didn't it?Middle East countries backed by western intelligence, training and strategy is the answer to defeating IS. Western airstrikes, western drone attacks and western boots on the ground will please Sun and Mail readers but make matters a whole lot worse.
Russia are planning to destroy IS but the Saudi's are quite upset about it .. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1 1846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html)Going back to the op, we need to be mindful that releasing to much information could compromise further intelligence and alert terrorists to our methods of intelligence gathering and operations.
I think the opposition Party should be asking the question. This action has far wider consequences.
alfie sherwood
08-09-15, 11:23
Russia are planning to destroy IS but the Saudi's are quite upset about it .. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1 1846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html)
So the Yanks can stick their beak into whatever conflict tickles their fancy, but woe betide the Ruskies do the same thing http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif Agree. On the face of it it's great, an IS nutter is dead, but this kind of heavily publicised (by the Tories themselves) piece of populism will, I believe, hamper the fight against IS longer term.
Russia are planning to destroy IS but the Saudi's are quite upset about it .. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/1 1846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11846382/Russia-is-building-military-base-in-Syria.html)
So the Yanks can stick their beak into whatever conflict tickles their fancy, but woe betide the Ruskies do the same thing http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif I thought Cameron would have been ecstatic about this latest development, it will save us having to get involved. What's not to like?
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.Get the house onside and be clear and open with the evidence.
Jimmy Jimmy
08-09-15, 13:05
Not really mate - it never stopped the UK Govt from executing in the street the 3 IRA members in Gibralta, it also never stopped us from sinking the Belgrano when it was apparently going home, and it never stopped the French from blowing up the Rainbow Warrior - or stopped the Russians from making plutonium cocktails.
If any Muslim wants to see this as the evil West killing other Muslims - then that is how they will see it. The fact that ISIS are killing non Sunni Muslims by the hour - will totally pass them by.
Not really mate - it never stopped the UK Govt from executing in the street the 3 IRA members in Gibralta, it also never stopped us from sinking the Belgrano when it was apparently going home, and it never stopped the French from blowing up the Rainbow Warrior - or stopped the Russians from making plutonium cocktails.Are you saying that IS are Sunnis and their mission is to obliterate the Shiites?
SLUDGE FACTORY
08-09-15, 13:17
Not really mate - it never stopped the UK Govt from executing in the street the 3 IRA members in Gibralta, it also never stopped us from sinking the Belgrano when it was apparently going home, and it never stopped the French from blowing up the Rainbow Warrior - or stopped the Russians from making plutonium cocktails.He's an idiot
Not really mate - it never stopped the UK Govt from executing in the street the 3 IRA members in Gibralta, it also never stopped us from sinking the Belgrano when it was apparently going home, and it never stopped the French from blowing up the Rainbow Warrior - or stopped the Russians from making plutonium cocktails.
If any Muslim wants to see this as the evil West killing other Muslims - then that is how they will see it. The fact that ISIS are killing non Sunni Muslims by the hour - will totally pass them by.The things people will do in the pursuit of power
GRUMPYS DEN
08-09-15, 14:32
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.
timing could be of the essence. So the PM could make a decision on the ground but I reckon it would then be sensible to contact the opposition leaders and brief them fully and show them the evidence before anything is made public.How open?Again there may be security reasons why this isn't wise.You hardly want to tell all and sundry your plans for preventing possible attacks.I have no problem with getting opposition leaders on board but there must be situations when 'open' is just that and no more.
Barry Dragon
08-09-15, 14:36
Not really mate - it never stopped the UK Govt from executing in the street the 3 IRA members in Gibralta, it also never stopped us from sinking the Belgrano when it was apparently going home, and it never stopped the French from blowing up the Rainbow Warrior - or stopped the Russians from making plutonium cocktails.
If any Muslim wants to see this as the evil West killing other Muslims - then that is how they will see it. The fact that ISIS are killing non Sunni Muslims by the hour - will totally pass them by.Granted many are there for a hatred of the west, but I imagine they dont take much convincing to join ISIS. Its the ones who are settled in their western world that they need to convince.
Jimmy Jimmy
08-09-15, 14:37
Sludge - I know - I didnt believe it either - he used to Plaid.
I dont know this - but all I can think is that he believes people in his community will vote for ukip - and will vote for him (probably because of who he is). I presume he is standing in the Riverside / Grangetown area - whatever AM seat that is.
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.
timing could be of the essence. So the PM could make a decision on the ground but I reckon it would then be sensible to contact the opposition leaders and brief them fully and show them the evidence before anything is made public.
Get the house onside and be clear and open with the evidence. perhaps it would be better if a judge made this decision rather than the government http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Not really mate - it never stopped the UK Govt from executing in the street the 3 IRA members in Gibralta, it also never stopped us from sinking the Belgrano when it was apparently going home, and it never stopped the French from blowing up the Rainbow Warrior - or stopped the Russians from making plutonium cocktails.
If any Muslim wants to see this as the evil West killing other Muslims - then that is how they will see it. The fact that ISIS are killing non Sunni Muslims by the hour - will totally pass them by.Well to be fair to him Sludge, he always was an idiot.
Jimmy Jimmy
08-09-15, 14:43
Really Gluey - was that a serious question ?
ISIS believes that the Shias are apostates and must die in order to forge a pure form of Islam. Shias believe that Islam was transmitted through the household of Muhammad. Sunnis believe that it comes down through followers of Muhammad - they are the 'chosen people'
Religion eh!
Asking stupid questions in the commons trying to score points on what right has Cameron to bomb the jihads, is that clear enough?
I think it's the duty of any opposition to ask "stupid" questions of the Government, especially when there such far reaching possible consequences to their decisions are there are with this one. Well if askibg stupid questions is an advantage, the present opposition is well qualified.
GRUMPYS DEN
08-09-15, 15:00
There must be times when immediate decisions have to be taken.Had they entered into dialogue maybe the opportunity would have been lost.Don't see any reason for criticism on this one.
timing could be of the essence. So the PM could make a decision on the ground but I reckon it would then be sensible to contact the opposition leaders and brief them fully and show them the evidence before anything is made public.
Get the house onside and be clear and open with the evidence.
How open?Again there may be security reasons why this isn't wise.You hardly want to tell all and sundry your plans for preventing possible attacks.I have no problem with getting opposition leaders on board but there must be situations when 'open' is just that and no more.Not for me-you have an elected government-use the opposition in war situations as you suggest -they consult the Attorney General -but decision should rest with the chosen government imo
Sludge - I know - I didnt believe it either - he used to Plaid.A UKIP campaign in Riverside.,what could possibly go wrong?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34184856
archibald leitch
08-09-15, 17:38
there is NO law against this as far as I know.Last time i checked murder was illigal in the UK and bombing another country you are not at war with is classed as an act of war (or possibly state sponsored terrorism)
Can you believe this?Wasn't very 'secret' was it? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif
I feel uncomfortable with the state being able to take a citizen's life (as far as I'm aware, we weren't allowed to make them stateless) based on secret reasoning and assume it's all ok.
the other bob wilson
09-09-15, 05:24
Asking stupid questions in the commons trying to score points on what right has Cameron to bomb the jihads, is that clear enough?
I think it's the duty of any opposition to ask "stupid" questions of the Government, especially when there such far reaching possible consequences to their decisions are there are with this one.
Well if askibg stupid questions is an advantage, the present opposition is well qualified. Yay, more party politicking when there is something far more fundamental happening here.
Quite, also I see no reason whatsoever for the Government of the day to discuss with anyone or give a reason to bomb and obliterate any IS scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Turned out spiffin' didn't it?
The actions of a Labour government, supported by the Tories, has made this world even more unstable than it was before, I think the mandate was based on a form of 'self defence' back then, which in turn destabalised the region even more, leading to.........you know the rest!But preventing attacks on our country is surely the right thing to do?
Quite, also I see no reason whatsoever for the Government of the day to discuss with anyone or give a reason to bomb and obliterate any IS scum http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Turned out spiffin' didn't it?
The actions of a Labour government, supported by the Tories, has made this world even more unstable than it was before, I think the mandate was based on a form of 'self defence' back then, which in turn destabalised the region even more, leading to.........you know the rest!
Bombing people doesn't work, we should all know that by now, it just creates more hatred and extremism. The UK needs to enter into dialogue with other Arab nations and shoe horn them into taking up the fight against IS.Its not preventing attacks on us its increasing the chances of them happening.
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