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Father Dougal
13-09-15, 22:11
I predict fireworks! His favourite hobby is "fermenting the overthrow of capitalism." Couldn't have appointed anyone more divisive (within his own party!)
Corbyn and McDonnell vs Cameron and osbourne. Surely nobody can now claim they are all the same so no point voting.
I predict fireworks! His favourite hobby is "fermenting the overthrow of capitalism." Couldn't have appointed anyone more divisive (within his own party!)Power too allotments , Corduroy hats and socks / sandals.
Father Dougal
13-09-15, 22:33
All 5 top jobs in shadow cabinet also given to men.
Maybe those who were hoping for a new style of politics and an end to career politicians will find that voting in someone who has been a MP since 1983 may not be the best way to do it? Early days though.....
Colonel Cærdiffi
13-09-15, 22:38
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
Father Dougal
13-09-15, 22:47
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.I maybe wrong but I've probably shifted in the past half hour from "let's wait snd see what corbyn actually does before predicting too much" to "no way he will last more than a year or so."
Colonel Cærdiffi
13-09-15, 22:50
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.
Father Dougal
13-09-15, 22:57
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already. Time will tell......
Penarth Blues
13-09-15, 23:28
This report makes his appointments seem a lot more balanced than you make out:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34240869
Of course he's going to have people around him who he trusts. I'm also interested to hear what they might propose to replace/supplement capitalism in the UK, as I've heard nothing which sounds feasible to me yet. However, if someone thinks there is an alternative I'd be interested to hear what it is, as I'm sure no-one really believes that full-blown Communism works now. Even the Communists don't practice it anymore except in a few small countries.
I'm quite looking forward to the next few months. It won't be boring anyway...
McDonnell looks like someone has put Richard Osman lengthways in a vice
All 5 top jobs in shadow cabinet also given to men. Would you care to define what it means to you?
the other bob wilson
14-09-15, 04:26
Right, I don't mind saying it - I'm quite pleased about the election of Jeremy Corbyn, but the truth is, I don't know a great deal about him. Yes, I can recall him as someone who often went against official party policy and as someone who tended to get dismissed as a "loony lefty" in the media during Labour's dark days in the 80s, but I had no real opinion on him when he was nominated as a candidate for the leadership - what I do know is that he galvanised a race which was certainly not capturing anyone's attention when there were three candidates standing.
If I don't know much about Mr Corbyn, I know even less about some of the people named in his Shadow Cabinet, so I'll be adopting a wait and see attitude for now. One thing I'm certain of though is that I don't have much time for those who have declined to serve in a Corbyn Shadow Cabinet - good riddance to them.
My Name is Dave.
14-09-15, 05:58
If he hasn't got support of 90% of MPs in his party, but has over whelming support of his party - doesn't that mean the 90% of MPs are in the wrong party to start with?
alfie sherwood
14-09-15, 06:28
Here's a piece that I wrote on Corbyn last week:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8 077656.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8077656.html)
At the moment the level of vitriol and hysteria emanating from mainstream media sources and, indeed, the right of the Labour Party, is making it extremely difficult for people to get a more detailed understanding of his proposals.
Some of what he says is radical, the vast majority isn't. The piece above just tries to look a bit more objectively at his ideas.
A Quiet Monkfish
14-09-15, 06:29
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernirel and.devolution (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution)
alfie sherwood
14-09-15, 06:55
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already.
That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.As I say, little moral high ground for the Tories,
the other bob wilson
14-09-15, 07:09
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8 077656.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8077656.html)
At the moment the level of vitriol and hysteria emanating from mainstream media sources and, indeed, the right of the Labour Party, is making it extremely difficult for people to get a more detailed understanding of his proposals. Thanks Alfie, very interesting, and balanced, stuff http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif .
In an article in The Guardian in the previous month, McDonnell set out the economic principles that would be followed under Corbyn:
"...let me make it absolutely clear that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn is committed to eliminating the deficit and creating an economy in which we live within our means.... We accept that cuts in public spending will help eliminate the deficit, but our cuts won't be to the middle-and low-income earners and certainly not to the poor....alongside deficit elimination, the Corbyn campaign is advocating a fundamental reform of our economic system. This will include the introduction of an effective regulatory regime for our banks and financial sector; a full-blown Glass-Steagall system to separate day-to-day and investment banking; legislation to replace short-term shareholder value with long-term sustainable economic and social responsibilities as the prime objective of companies; radical reform of the failed auditing regime; the extension of a wider range of forms of company and enterprise ownership and control including public, co-operative and stakeholder ownership; and the introduction of a financial transactions tax to fund the rebalancing of our economy towards production and manufacturing"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8 077656.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8077656.html)
At the moment the level of vitriol and hysteria emanating from mainstream media sources and, indeed, the right of the Labour Party, is making it extremely difficult for people to get a more detailed understanding of his proposals. Interesting and balanced read; now shared to FB to spread the good word!
alfie sherwood
14-09-15, 07:39
Cheers Bob and Fingers for your kind words http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Thanks also to TBG who proof read the piece for me.
Jimmy Jimmy
14-09-15, 08:39
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
This has gone well so far , shadow cabinet look bare ?
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Father Dougal
14-09-15, 09:06
This has gone well so far , shadow cabinet look bare ?The 2 main parties have not been more different in most voters adults lifetimes- unprecedented times.
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view .
Penarth Blues
14-09-15, 09:22
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view . I think a Jeremy Corbyn type figure is just what we need right now. I also think a lot of disenfranchised people will vote for him if he manages not to come over as too far left-leaning in his views.
This has gone well so far , shadow cabinet look bare ?this is a problem in modern day politics. Whatever happened to picking the best person for the job?
I predict fireworks! His favourite hobby is "fermenting the overthrow of capitalism." Couldn't have appointed anyone more divisive (within his own party!)
Corbyn and McDonnell vs Cameron and osbourne. Surely nobody can now claim they are all the same so no point voting. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
In an article in The Guardian in the previous month, McDonnell set out the economic principles that would be followed under Corbyn:http://img14.deviantart.net/0ba0/i/2008/156/0/5/hammer_and_sicle_by_nakkimakkara.jpg
saganspirit
14-09-15, 10:51
@Gluey http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif surprised that's not on the front page of the Sun/Star/Mail et al...
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view .
It's going to be difficult whatever he does. However, it will get the debate going about what the alternatives to the current unpleasant capitalist model might be. This alone may be enough to prevent too much excess in the Govt's operations.I just remember the Micheal Foot moment way to vividly. Next May will be the first acid test I wait in anticipation to see if the Scottish disenfranchised ex labour voters move from SNP in any form or shape to the Labour party in any great numbers .
Loya Jirga
14-09-15, 11:05
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.I agree.
@Gluey http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif surprised that's not on the front page of the Sun/Star/Mail et al...They just haven't realized it yet http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Elwood Blues
14-09-15, 11:14
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already. Jobs for the boys eh....
This report makes his appointments seem a lot more balanced than you make out:This
@Gluey http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif surprised that's not on the front page of the Sun/Star/Mail et al...
They just haven't realized it yet http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif I hope Corbyn isn't a pawn in somebody else's game.
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already.
That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.Cameron & Osborne? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already. (down the shops )
@Gluey http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif surprised that's not on the front page of the Sun/Star/Mail et al...
They just haven't realized it yet http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Give the Murdoch slime press a week or two, wont take them long.There all the bloody same these parties left or right , shuffling into little rooms to plot and coerce, there is a recognised mover and shaker in the party called the operator, so we will never really know until it happens, is there a possible kingmaker ???
A Quiet Monkfish
14-09-15, 13:18
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view . We actually beleive what we earn is ours, whereas the socialists beleive what we earn is theirs to take as much as they want..
Elwood Blues
14-09-15, 13:21
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already.
That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.
Alternatively he's given the plum job to his mate and campaign manager.Yes, but I thought he was going to be different?
Elwood Blues
14-09-15, 13:21
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already.
That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.
Alternatively he's given the plum job to his mate and campaign manager.Cameron & Osborne? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Dénia Bluebird
14-09-15, 13:22
It surely doesn't who he picks as the idiots will never again destroy Britain.
The mad taxi driver interviews the mad chancellor! (from 2013) .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppEixLyaR40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppEixLyaR40&feature=youtu.be)
The mad taxi driver interviews the mad chancellor! (from 2013) .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppEixLyaR40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppEixLyaR40)Not sure if this is Part 1 or Part 2 but it's from the same interview .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kCvUjaXEC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kCvUjaXEC4)
The Penguin
14-09-15, 16:34
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already. He is a politician ergo he cannot have principles that would stand examination.
The Penguin
14-09-15, 16:37
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view .
We actually beleive what we earn is ours, whereas the socialists beleive what we earn is theirs to take as much as they want..Close enough, but they also believe what we earn is Theirs to give to people who don't want to earn for themselves. It's comical really.
Jimmy Jimmy
14-09-15, 16:38
"The Tory party have also armed to the teeth the same Saudi regime that are now being investigated for bombing refugee camps in the Yemen."
Did Labour not do the same under Blair then ?
The Penguin
14-09-15, 16:39
All 5 top jobs in shadow cabinet also given to men. If it upsets Harmon, it's good enough for me http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already.
That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.May as well just form the Serf Party then, and forget about this equality malarkey http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
The Penguin
14-09-15, 16:53
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.
There were hopes today corbyn would chose someone who could help him reach the 90% of labour MPs who didn't support him. Someone maybe younger, fresher who doesn't divide opinion quite so much.
By appointing McDonnell into such a crucial role he has sent a clear message about the direction he wants to go. Fair enough of course as he has a big mandate but it is causing a big storm already.
That's a good sign. Puts his money where his mouth is regarding his policies rather than choosing to play party politics. He means business.
He might mean business but unfortunately fit him and his fatally wounded party here is a list of just some people who absolutely will not do business with him.Aye, the thing is that politics is a nasty murky business and sometimes you simply have to deal with people you might not like. Corbyn has all the finesse of Adolf Hitler with the realism of David Icke http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Forget that, the big headline is that Corbyn has equality between genders but apparently it doesn't count because it's not equality between genders and job titles...
alfie sherwood
14-09-15, 17:59
"The Tory party have also armed to the teeth the same Saudi regime that are now being investigated for bombing refugee camps in the Yemen."They did indeed. Blair's government did a lot of bad things. The point is that the Tories have carried on with this policy and increased the scale of weapons sales to this brutal regime. Perhaps I'm wrong but this doesn't appear to give them any moral high ground.
I do like this Corbyn though, no frills, no nonsense type of guy.
So that's two ira supporters and a racist so far.
Jimmy Jimmy
14-09-15, 18:58
Oh, on plus side, he will be endorsed by Putin soon enough, but only to piss off the Yanks.
Putin and Argentina endorsed him today
This is starting to turn into a political version of Mike Bassett England Manager
Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbP_pIgR4s)
Sounds like the tory bum lickers are running scared already.
Jimmy Jimmy
14-09-15, 19:22
You really do have a way with words.
Good / bad / left or right I find it fascinating - plus when you add to the debate by adding such thoughtful insight into your mindset
Elwood Blues
14-09-15, 19:34
Thankyou I don't think it was meant as a compliment.
Thankyou
I don't think it was meant as a compliment. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Why is it a very big statement? Genuine question.it is about time we had clear division in our two main parties. I think this is a welcome appointment.
If he hasn't got support of 90% of MPs in his party, but has over whelming support of his party - doesn't that mean the 90% of MPs are in the wrong party to start with?not everyone who voted Labour are members of the labour party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8 077656.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/phil-jones/jeremy-corbyn_b_8077656.html)
At the moment the level of vitriol and hysteria emanating from mainstream media sources and, indeed, the right of the Labour Party, is making it extremely difficult for people to get a more detailed understanding of his proposals. what is corbyn proposing that is radical?
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view .
It's going to be difficult whatever he does. However, it will get the debate going about what the alternatives to the current unpleasant capitalist model might be. This alone may be enough to prevent too much excess in the Govt's operations.bollocks
Cardiff Irish
14-09-15, 20:18
For what it's worth:
Labour will be a party of protest. I think Corbyn will make Cameron squirm in PMQ's, Labour will have a lot of activists and opinion polls coming up to next General election will make for healthy reading for Labour,
Come the election (especially of economy is still doing well in the eyes of most voters) a combination of the right wing press and the silent majority dwarfing any recruitment that Labour has made with this three pound joining fee will ensure that the Conservatives have a 1980s style majority.
For what it's worth:Its all about the grey vote. The oldies will decide the outcome of the election. Corbyn has to include policies that will appeal to them. If he does he has an outside chance.
For what it's worth:
Labour will be a party of protest. I think Corbyn will make Cameron squirm in PMQ's, Labour will have a lot of activists and opinion polls coming up to next General election will make for healthy reading for Labour,I think it`s more about engaging the PS4 Xbox twitter instagram facebook generation of youngsters who`s only worry is "Is there a wifi connection?"
For what it's worth:
Labour will be a party of protest. I think Corbyn will make Cameron squirm in PMQ's, Labour will have a lot of activists and opinion polls coming up to next General election will make for healthy reading for Labour,the grey vote are typically more conservative than labour. I can't see that changing with corbyn's brand of radical progressive politics that is simply a rehash of what has gone on (and failed) before.
People tend to vote for the security and stability. It's up to Corbyn and supporters to show that his ideas really aren't radical and are already backed (a lot of them are) by the majority.
Penarth Blues
14-09-15, 21:02
On Radio4 this morning it was noted that Corbyn was not offering an end to austerity (like many of his supporters seem to think) - it was in fact stated that austerity would continue in a Corbyn Govt - but he believes he can do that solely from tax increases - rather than a balance of tax and public spending control - like the previous coalition and the current Govt are doing.
You watch the tide of opinion change on this board when he starts talking about increasing Tax, National Insurance ,not just the wealthy but for those in the 35k bracket , most pay NI, what about the tax relief on pensions , which ever way you paint this, strong social polices cost money , in my experience the far left people I've known over the years are happy to be frugal ,and that is not a bad thing , however the mass of the country like their materialist comfortable lives now , and will not give it up easily in my view .
It's going to be difficult whatever he does. However, it will get the debate going about what the alternatives to the current unpleasant capitalist model might be. This alone may be enough to prevent too much excess in the Govt's operations.
My gut feeling is that the pendulum has swung too far to the right and a readjustment back to the left is overdue. I'd be very happy if this were achieved through renationalising the railways, utilities and banks. This then provides a solid base for investing in manufacturing, etc.I still don't think the current system works or is socially defensible. It is however, for some people, completely fine if you're personally doing OK out of it...
the total bailout of the banks was around £120bn or so if you consider the ONS to be the arbiter of all things UK. this included around 65bn injected into Lloyds and RBS. The UK government also made significant returns on GAPS.
Penarth Blues
14-09-15, 21:17
the total bailout of the banks was around £120bn or so if you consider the ONS to be the arbiter of all things UK. this included around 65bn injected into Lloyds and RBS. The UK government also made significant returns on GAPS.Basically if you're not in the financial sector you're being screwed constantly. I hope Corbyn rattles some cages.
Jimmy Jimmy
14-09-15, 21:35
Neither Lib , Lab or Tory have any moral high ground in this dept. The UK (under all types of Govt) have been selling weapons to various Govts all over the world for decades - horrible business.
Each Govt when given the chance to stop it - have just allowed it to carry on - as it means jobs and livelyhoods to people (and votes). And unless the USA, Russia, France and China etc stop it - then it is futile.
I heard a corbyn spokes person tonight explaining their economic policy - and it sounded a lot like tax and spend. I'll pay you £50 to a dig a hole and then pay someone else to fill it in again for £50 - and that seemed to be how they would grow the economy....
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