View Full Version : Ched case goes to appeal
epping blue
05-10-15, 12:31
We'll never really know what happened that night and for most of its the truth we really want. However those who consider him a 100% guilty will need to except he'll become a 100% innocent and the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justices if this goes his way
Optimistic Nick
05-10-15, 12:33
We'll never really know what happened that night and for most of its the truth we really want. However those who consider him a 100% guilty will need to except he'll become a 100% innocent and the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justice if the conviction is overturned on appeal. Either way, you are right.
We'll never really know what happened that night and for most of its the truth we really want. However those who consider him a 100% guilty will need to except he'll become a 100% innocent and the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justices if this goes his way Would those who consider him 100% innocent 'except' that he's not if it doesn't go his way?
bluethrough
05-10-15, 12:35
We'll never really know what happened that night and for most of its the truth we really want. However those who consider him a 100% guilty will need to except he'll become a 100% innocent and the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justice if the conviction is overturned on appeal.
I've just finished that off for you.You are very picky today http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif .
BlueArmy 86
05-10-15, 12:47
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
This case has always bothered me, I know what my opinion is but lets see what the Court of Appeal denotes.
This case has always bothered me, I know what my opinion is but lets see what the Court of Appeal denotes.I thought the opposite at the time, the new evidence must be pretty good to even get it to the court of appeal though.
Auntie Andy
05-10-15, 13:24
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.Come on you can't even drive completely sober to a hotel where your mate is banging a semi conscience drunk girl join in and escape down the fire escape without getting arrested these days. It's PC gone mad!
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.
Come on you can't even drive completely sober to a hotel where your mate is banging a semi conscience drunk girl join in and escape down the fire escape without getting arrested these days. It's PC gone mad!Are you sure you read the right case?
Auntie Andy
05-10-15, 13:48
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.
Come on you can't even drive completely sober to a hotel where your mate is banging a semi conscience drunk girl join in and escape down the fire escape without getting arrested these days. It's PC gone mad!What???? I'm not saying he's innocent I'm saying its lucky he's got money behind him. I think he's vile http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.
Come on you can't even drive completely sober to a hotel where your mate is banging a semi conscience drunk girl join in and escape down the fire escape without getting arrested these days. It's PC gone mad!
What???? I'm not saying he's innocent I'm saying its lucky he's got money behind him. I think he's vile http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Same I was just looking for a chance to post that http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
My Name is Dave.
05-10-15, 13:57
Be interesting to see what clubs and others reactions are if the conviction does get overturned.
Nothing to say it will be, but to get referred back is a big step.
We'll never really know what happened that night and for most of its the truth we really want. However those who consider him a 100% guilty will need to except he'll become a 100% innocent and the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justice if the conviction is overturned on appeal.
I've just finished that off for you.It's accept not except http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion. Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
As it stands he is a convicted rapist having been found guilty.
There can be no ifs and buts.
If he is found to have been the victim of a miscarriage of justice and is completely exonerated, then he should be considered innocent and treated accordingly.
No ifs , no buts.
Is it that simple? What if he is cleared of actual rape, but clearly acted with quite some degree of impropriety, or amoral behaviour?
How would you feel about him as a person / footballer?
( that is a question, not a point of view on my part).
Having a lack of morals, or not sharing the same moral compass as most of us, is not a crime and its not appropriate to pass judgement on lack of morals alone.
Having a lack of morals, or not sharing the same moral compass as most of us, is not a crime and its not appropriate to pass judgement on lack of morals alone.The whole case bothered me, it just looked dodgy from the word go,
BlueArmy 86
06-10-15, 14:10
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..But like I said, my own opinion. The police and courts get things wrong all the time. Can't stand people who say if you're convicted, then it means you did it..bullshit.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.its nice to see you're keeping an open mind about this.
BlueArmy 86
06-10-15, 14:34
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says. Its as if he's been treated guilty until proven innocent.
Remember this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5355966.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/5355966.stm)There are some scummy women who make fake rape claims but you can't use that example to suggest that a different case may be fake too.
tigerbaybluebird
06-10-15, 14:44
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'. Wow
BlueArmy 86
06-10-15, 14:45
I've written a pretty long post as to why I think he's innocent. Just think this is similar in that she blamed drink. Didnt help in the earlier cardiff case though.
Gofer Blue
06-10-15, 14:46
Having a lack of morals, or not sharing the same moral compass as most of us, is not a crime and its not appropriate to pass judgement on lack of morals alone.Classic modern thinking there, as often utilised mainly by politicians when caught out - "I've done nothing illegal"!
Eric Cartman
06-10-15, 15:16
I have never really understood the unwavering faith that some people have in the decision making ability of a jury of 12 random people.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.Women can't commit the act of rape, they can only be convicted of aiding and abetting rape. You haven't really thought things through, have you?
I have never really understood the unwavering faith that some people have in the decision making ability of a jury of 12 random people.We'd love to hear.
The alternative is not to have unwavering faith in it, presumably.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'. The one thing that bothers me most about this case is what a lot of people in Cardiff/Wales seem to have become. In the old days a convicted rapist would be treated as such, not as some sort of weird eyebrowed folk hero.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says. that is not true anymore. just recently there have been two cases where women have been found guilty of rape (one by association and the other or forced penetration using an object)
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etcquite. it does seem odd. I think it is more to do with the fact its (i) high profile (ii) he is maintaining his innocence and (most importantly) (iii) we are all bar room experts on here
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion. THIS.
Auntie Andy
06-10-15, 18:07
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.What Evans did was vile. Much worse than a young girl and a young man going to a hotel for a one night stand.
I understand how the older generation cannot get their head around a girl consenting to two men, but in my generation its pretty common. And its even more rampant with late teen/early 20 odd year olds these days. <b>Blame pornhub/redtube etc and how easily accessible these sites are.A little bit of extra naughty-ness was a bit more of a treat and a joy back in my younger days, not some guaranteed action and run-of-the-mill copy cat PornHub re-enactment.
Didn'thaveariotonhishands
06-10-15, 18:42
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.Let's see what happens next......
Eric Cartman
06-10-15, 18:59
I have never really understood the unwavering faith that some people have in the decision making ability of a jury of 12 random people.
So your alternative is ?I am not saying there is a good alternative. I just don't have unwavering faith in the system.
Auntie Andy
06-10-15, 19:05
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.
Or he's unlucky he's got money behind him, otherwise he wouldn't have been 'fitted up' with 'rape' in the 1st place eh ??I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'. The law has changed then? Association-isn't that the same as aiding and abetting? and I was under the impression that the law states that rape is constituted by penetration with the Penis-not a nice subject really-have you any links or evidence to show that both these woman were convicted of rape?
bluebirds over.......
06-10-15, 20:21
He's lucky he's got money behind him. His case would never. have got to appeal without it.
Or he's unlucky he's got money behind him, otherwise he wouldn't have been 'fitted up' with 'rape' in the 1st place eh ??
Let's see what happens next......How the hell has money got to do with it? To appeal you need new evidence that was'nt used in the trial, you think he slipped someone a backhander?FFS http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etcJust done a bit of google-ing, and it seems you're correct, a young teenage girl was concvicted of Rape through association in West London, Although, what Blue Army was alluding to,was a woman raping a man, which can't happen in this country.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says. so many questions about this case, alot doesnt add up to him being a rapist, apart from a jury of 12 people
Spoilt Victorian Child
06-10-15, 22:40
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etc
Then the fact she never actually claimed rape. She lost her phone, the players came forward and explained to the police what had happened that night, and the police decided that maybe she was raped. She says she cant remember which is understandable. Its better than admitting to being a dirty slag.There is an exact equivalent of rape called 'causing another person to engage in sexual activity without consent', which carries the same sentence as rape and was designed to catch women who force men to have sex with them. As Feedy said, there is also a separate offence of 'assault by penetration', which also has a life sentence. So while the word 'rape' is not applied to a women in those contexts (the judgement being that juries would find it too confusing and be more likely to aquit), the acts are treated equally.
Riled Taff
06-10-15, 23:07
We'll never really know what happened that night and for most of its the truth we really want. However those who consider him a 100% guilty will need to except he'll become a 100% innocent and the victim of a terrible miscarriage of justices if this goes his way
Would those who consider him 100% innocent 'except' that he's not if it doesn't go his way?It really was a tragic night for whoever is telling the truth.
Why should she be considered of loose morals? Putting the consent issue to one side, why would a woman who chooses to have sex with two guys on the same night have loose morals? If a guy did the same we wouldnt be questioning his judgement (whereas we would be bemoaning his luck).
That's a seriously mysoginistic viewpoint - as if women can't think and act as sexual beings in their own right.
Auntie Andy
07-10-15, 07:21
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'. You forget to mention all the evidence pointing to him being found guilty of rape, why is this?
Rick Riorden
07-10-15, 08:23
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal. Absolute nonsense.
Jimmy the Jock
07-10-15, 08:25
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etcI am almost sure I read somewhere he is being allowed an appeal, if that appeal was held up, I am guessing he would no longer be guilty , a miscarriage of justice may have happened...
Auntie Andy
07-10-15, 11:30
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense. PM me if you can be bothered and I'll explain why.
I wonder if he gets the verdict overturned, whether he will be due compensation for loss of earnings?
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolutely 100% accurate.I expect most on here are interested so why not show why on here?
Auntie Andy
07-10-15, 13:16
I wonder if he gets the verdict overturned, whether he will be due compensation for loss of earnings?You can claim for compensation. Depends on the circumstances.
Auntie Andy
07-10-15, 13:17
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolutely 100% accurate.
PM me if you can be bothered and I'll explain why. Because I obviously can't http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
Ragnar Lothbrok
07-10-15, 15:30
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolutely 100% accurate.
PM me if you can be bothered and I'll explain why.
I expect most on here are interested so why not show why on here?Because I am obviously talking out of my arse http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
Auntie Andy
07-10-15, 15:39
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolutely 100% accurate.
PM me if you can be bothered and I'll explain why.
I expect most on here are interested so why not show why on here?
Because I am obviously talking out of my arse http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif I agree you are http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Rick Riorden
07-10-15, 15:56
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolutely 100% accurate.
PM me if you can be bothered and I'll explain why. Because it's total bullshit of course. Pretty obvious.
bluebirds over.......
07-10-15, 16:27
I stand by my original post, without money there is no way he would have got to appeal.
Absolute nonsense.
Absolutely 100% accurate.
PM me if you can be bothered and I'll explain why.
I expect most on here are interested so why not show why on here?
Because I am obviously talking out of my arse http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif I was thinking exactly the same.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etcthe same guy has served his time and is still fighting to prove he is innocent
Auntie Andy
07-10-15, 16:59
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etc
Then the fact she never actually claimed rape. She lost her phone, the players came forward and explained to the police what had happened that night, and the police decided that maybe she was raped. She says she cant remember which is understandable. Its better than admitting to being a dirty slag.I think we are all aware of this point.
Spoilt Victorian Child
07-10-15, 18:19
I wonder if he gets the verdict overturned, whether he will be due compensation for loss of earnings?
You can claim for compensation. Depends on the circumstances.You can claim but the Tories made it almost impossible to win it unless someone else is convicted. This will be challenged by Strasbourg at some point but is the current situation.
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etc
Then the fact she never actually claimed rape. She lost her phone, the players came forward and explained to the police what had happened that night, and the police decided that maybe she was raped. She says she cant remember which is understandable. Its better than admitting to being a dirty slag.Why would the courts need to show you evidence?
I've read and seen enough evidence to form my own opinion.
I have no faith in the police or our justice system..
Can you link to the evidence please. The only stuff I've seen came from his site so I'd rather something neutral.
I have no links. From the website you mention, the video of her running back outside in high heels for her pizza suggests she wasn't as drunk as she says.
The deleting of facebook posts about 'winning big'.
The other players' testimony saying she was telling each of them to do this, and to do that to me, and f me harder etc
Then the fact she never actually claimed rape. She lost her phone, the players came forward and explained to the police what had happened that night, and the police decided that maybe she was raped. She says she cant remember which is understandable. Its better than admitting to being a dirty slag.
I understand how the older generation cannot get their head around a girl consenting to two men, but in my generation its pretty common. And its even more rampant with late teen/early 20 odd year olds these days. Blame pornhub/redtube etc and how easily accessible these sites are.of course people will say " they trust the jury did a good job " and thats fine, but looking in from the outside, the case looks shaky to say the least
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