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europe will never be the same again
Ainsley Harriott
14-11-15, 00:28
Definitely not the 'open border' and 'free movement of people' policies that have been in place up until now.
By 2016/17's vote on EU in/out, I can't imagine we'll (UK) be the only ones looking at whether it's best to be separate from Europe.
As I wrote on the Politics forum I think there may well be a Leave landslide at the EU referendum.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 00:43
****ing bad bad night
****ing bad bad night ^^^ this, WTF is going on, i,m glad i,m not just starting out in this world
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 00:54
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
Ainsley Harriott
14-11-15, 01:02
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
It's more likely to stop evil men who're intent on killing people from crossing borders (including our own) without checks / with minimal checks.It's more likely to stop evil men who're intent on killing people from crossing borders (including our own) without checks / with minimal checks.
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
I agree with you Sludge. I'm for leaving on economic and political grounds although it seems in rather bad taste to go into the rights and wrongs of that now. However things like tonight's horrors will seal our exit in the minds of the public.I agree with you Sludge. I'm for leaving on economic and political grounds although it seems in rather bad taste to go into the rights and wrongs of that now. However things like tonight's horrors will seal our exit in the minds of the public.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 01:06
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
It's more likely to stop evil men who're intent on killing people from crossing borders (including our own) without checks / with minimal checks.
The bombings in London on the bus and tubes were carried out by British men
But whatever , what a terrible night But whatever , what a terrible night
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
It's more likely to stop evil men who're intent on killing people from crossing borders (including our own) without checks / with minimal checks.
If people think this is in bad taste, then I apologise...
I would wager this would make no difference at all. What's the betting that the perpetrators were French born?I would wager this would make no difference at all. What's the betting that the perpetrators were French born?
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.these guys are exactly who the refugees are trying to get away from.
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. perception
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 01:12
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
It's more likely to stop evil men who're intent on killing people from crossing borders (including our own) without checks / with minimal checks.
If people think this is in bad taste, then I apologise...
I would wager this would make no difference at all. What's the betting that the perpetrators were French born?
You bet they wereYou bet they were
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. I am not saying the legitimate refugees are not, what i am curious about is if ISIS used the refugee crisis as a means to get men into France, as they said they would.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 01:19
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.Isis will of course lap all this up
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. What the answer is, I do not know...
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...
Ainsley Harriott
14-11-15, 01:28
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. They will have had massive external influence from ISIS in Iraq and Syria though
Mrs Steve R
14-11-15, 01:42
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......All that intelligence and spying has sadly not prevented tonight's events from happening has it? No amount of spying will stop those with evil intent, they will always find a way.
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...Agreed, but all of a sudden worrying about my hot roof doesn't seem like such an invasion of my life. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Colonel Cærdiffi
14-11-15, 02:04
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...
All that intelligence and spying has sadly not prevented tonight's events from happening has it? No amount of spying will stop those with evil intent, they will always find a way.I remember an argument about privacy where you once said you'd allow the government to attach a camera to your body and record you 24/7 because "you had nothing to hide". You're worse than feedback.
Mrs Steve R
14-11-15, 02:06
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...
All that intelligence and spying has sadly not prevented tonight's events from happening has it? No amount of spying will stop those with evil intent, they will always find a way.I didn't realize you thought it was an invasion before.
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...
All that intelligence and spying has sadly not prevented tonight's events from happening has it? No amount of spying will stop those with evil intent, they will always find a way.
Agreed, but all of a sudden worrying about my hot roof doesn't seem like such an invasion of my life. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif People are being killed tonight with or without security, do you think we'd be safer without it?
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...
All that intelligence and spying has sadly not prevented tonight's events from happening has it? No amount of spying will stop those with evil intent, they will always find a way.
Agreed, but all of a sudden worrying about my hot roof doesn't seem like such an invasion of my life. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif I don't, as I'm sure you know. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif
Colonel Cærdiffi
14-11-15, 02:18
I guess the "privacy" everyone worries about isn't so bad after all. Who'd have thought......
Unless of course this is a stooge.... again...
All that intelligence and spying has sadly not prevented tonight's events from happening has it? No amount of spying will stop those with evil intent, they will always find a way.
Agreed, but all of a sudden worrying about my hot roof doesn't seem like such an invasion of my life. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
You want the police to be able to search your home without a warrant to save your house from Islamic extremists? What even is the point you're making with this?I think you, as usual, were just goading and looking for an argument.
You connected the Paris attacks with the "hot roof" issue we talked about yesterday. What are you on about?I've asked before (although maybe not you) would you give up people knowing your mobile records for a French mother to take her son/daughter home tonight? I would give up that bit of liberty personally.
Colonel Cærdiffi
14-11-15, 02:26
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/puke.gif Crass argument isn't it?
Colonel Cærdiffi
14-11-15, 03:20
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.As I said, take your goading elsewhere, you are now on ignore.
StraightOuttaCanton
14-11-15, 03:47
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif TruBlue hasn't provoked anything from what I can see. Show some respect.
the other bob wilson
14-11-15, 04:52
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious. RIP to all of those who were murdered in Paris.
This has to stop now. What's the answer
It won't stop evil men killing people but we will be leaving Europe
It's more likely to stop evil men who're intent on killing people from crossing borders (including our own) without checks / with minimal checks.
If people think this is in bad taste, then I apologise...
I would wager this would make no difference at all. What's the betting that the perpetrators were French born?
Whilst we don't know yet, I suspect you are correct.Whilst we don't know yet, I suspect you are correct.
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious.
The amount of security we get is where we differ. No goading mate, but suggesting that life isn't as easy as you suggest isn't always true. Despite you shouting the loudest. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif However, and this does seem strange , the fact that the standard arguing is going on is somewhat reassuring that normality is never that far away even on such a strange place as the Internet and especially this board.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron- attempts-to-defend-squalid-deal-with-saudi-arabia-in-excruci ating-interview-with-jon-a6684066.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-attempts-to-defend-squalid-deal-with-saudi-arabia-in-excruciating-interview-with-jon-a6684066.html)
Game changer
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6501916
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. This makes it very difficult to confront. They probably are French born jihadi, so senseless, they don't even know why they are doing what they are doing now, just sheer random slaughter.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 08:28
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
Very unlikely It's all too late
Auntie Andy
14-11-15, 08:32
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)
Which set of bombers are in the right? None of them, where's it going to end?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 08:32
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
Very unlikely Rest in peace all the victims of whatever background
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 08:43
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
Very unlikely Rest in peace all the victims of whatever background
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 08:45
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians. Bloody America ****ing idiots
This has to stop now. What's the answerOf course, there will always be hate-filled people, and people vulnerable to their values, who just want to destroy and control for a mantra that allows them to act in such an awful manner.
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 09:01
This has to stop now. What's the answer
"We are still shocked by what has happened, but we will never give up our values," Stoltenberg said. "Our response is more democracy, more openness, and more humanity." Well said mate
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians. Wrongs on both sides, but I don't think the world can let a group of nutters take over part of a country by be heading. Killing and raping their way to some form of power. Syria needs resolving and probably splitting up its lands. We should just give them the Islamic state they crave, then maybe they all stay in with there pre historic jihadist views on life. Maybe then they would just go away....
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example: A great idea but would they stop at just having one country i dont think so.
Auntie Andy
14-11-15, 09:16
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example: These so called nutters just got even nuttier because of the Wests involvement.
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)Yep we should just leave them to blow up each other, as they are now anyway. Religion hey, what a crock of sh|t
"The near-simultaneous attacks in Paris that killed at least 127 people and wounded more than 180 were an "act of war" carried out by Islamic State, says France's President Francois Hollande.
He said the attacks, carried out by eight gunmen and suicide bombers, were "organised and planned from outside".
.
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Life as we know it has probably just altered.
jackrabbit
14-11-15, 10:23
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
jackrabbit
14-11-15, 10:29
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example: They're not the only ****ing idiots.
President Hollande has "...vowed to wage a "merciless" fight against terrorists "
And so it begins..
protex blue
14-11-15, 10:32
Its a case of if and when IS turn their sights on Israel?
Israel wont hold back like they have in Gazza!
Very scary times http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif
This has to stop now. What's the answer
"We are still shocked by what has happened, but we will never give up our values," Stoltenberg said. "Our response is more democracy, more openness, and more humanity." Good post.
I would really like to know what these "murderers" and their supporters want?
If they create a caliphate how would it function, how would they create a viable infrastructure and a stabilised economy - in essence how would they survive?
I think all that they and their "masters", whoever they are want, is to cause terror, simple as.
We, the rest of the world, should simply not allow them to settle, hunt them down and bomb the feck out of them.
A question - Who is really behind IS? - somehow I do not see them having a committee based hierarchy http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
GRUMPYS DEN
14-11-15, 12:02
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. Having said that it had nothing to do with last night and my thoughts are with those who perished and those badly injures.A sad night.
Jimmy Jimmy
14-11-15, 12:22
Sludge - people talk of a referendum to leave Europe - we should have a vote where we are allowed to arrest anyone we suspect of being involved, we ignore their human rights and take them to the ISIS border somewhere in the Middle East. We then put a barbed wire electric fence etc around all of them.
They can live their life the way they want - we can do the same in Europe. We dont go there - they dont come here. It happened with India / Pakistan / Bangladesh. It happened to a certain degree in Northern Ireland with separate areas for Protestants and Catholics.
We also need to pass a law allowing the Govt full access to all communications for a set amount of time.
Very sad day
Jimmy Jimmy
14-11-15, 12:24
Having said that it had nothing to do with last night and my thoughts are with those who perished and those badly injures.A sad night.
The BBC are now reporting that at least one of the terrorists last night had a Syrian passport on him
purple haze2
14-11-15, 12:27
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)
Which set of bombers are in the right? None of them, where's it going to end?So why don't you say that Islam is a crock of sh!t
Purplehaze, put myanmar Buddhist monk slaughter into Google. The problem isn't that one religion is worse than the others, it's simply that some humans are c**ts.
Sloop_Jon_Bee
14-11-15, 12:44
****ing bad bad night Spedger
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 12:45
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)Mix up american foreign policy in the middle East and extremists and this is what you get
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 12:47
Purplehaze, put myanmar Buddhist monk slaughter into Google. The problem isn't that one religion is worse than the others, it's simply that some humans are c**ts.China is a nice country too
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 12:51
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)
Which set of bombers are in the right? None of them, where's it going to end?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif So why don't you say that Islam is a crock of sh!t
alfie sherwood
14-11-15, 12:51
It's a messed up situation on so many levels.
Britain's Middle East ally Saudi Arabia - a head chopping, barbaric, misogynistic country that we've recently sold enormous amounts of military hardware to - are widely acknowledged to have bankrolled IS. With a total lack of irony the death of the Saudi king earlier this year saw flags fly at half mast over the British Houses of Parliament. If it didn't actually happen, you'd have thought it was made up.
As a nation, together with others in the west, we've been involved in many military escapades in the Middle East. Even if these prove moderately successful - I use the term very loosely - in the short term, they literally always escalate into something even more complex and dangerous. Despite this catalogue of chaos, the largely unchallenged mainstream political view, heralded by Cameron and Fallon, is that we now need to engage in military action in Syria. Now, those leading this country are either extremely confident that such action will seriously crush IS's potency or they are content to do a bit of cosmetic sabre rattling in the sure knowledge that such action will bring more terror to the streets of Britain. Death of innocents at home and abroad? Collateral damage.
Our principal ally - America (more on them, in a moment) - is also Israel's biggest ally. Now even if one accepts the right of Jews to have their own homeland (which I do), to ignore the destabilising effect of a pumped up Israel in the region is absurd. In the west, we do more that just ignore the destabilising impact of Israeli policy - we positively endorse it.
Back to our mates the Americans...I love America and I love the spirit of its people but to turn a blind eye to the often malevolent, destructive impact of US foreign policy is total folly. Whether through their dominance of NATO, turning what was once a force for stability into something all together more expansionist and confrontational or through their extraordinary record of interference in the affairs of sovereign countries. America has either bombed, invaded or quietly assisted the overthrow of governments in literally dozens of countries since the end of WW2. The worlds self styled policeman all too often behaves like a reckless bully.
We, and by we I mean the international community, absolutely have to crush IS but, they cannot be crushed in the conventional way by western bullets and bombs. Bullets and bombs, yes but from neighbouring Middle East countries. Countries supported by training and importantly intelligence from the international community.
There is a natural desire to go in gung-ho and unleash all manner of military Armageddon on this barbaric death cult but, we need to suppress that instinct and be far more savvy in our approach otherwise many, many more innocent people will pay the price.
The Penguin
14-11-15, 12:52
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)
Which set of bombers are in the right? None of them, where's it going to end?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif Stop the war in Syria, and send the migrants back to their secure homelands. After all, they are only here to escape war?
Sloop_Jon_Bee
14-11-15, 12:55
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious.
The amount of security we get is where we differ. No goading mate, but suggesting that life isn't as easy as you suggest isn't always true. Despite you shouting the loudest. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Here, hear!
SLUDGE FACTORY
14-11-15, 12:57
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. I hope your grandchildren have a peaceful future jackrabbit
ian gibson
14-11-15, 13:01
They're saying now that two of the attackers were Syrian.
Colonel Cærdiffi
14-11-15, 13:03
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious. And if you can't see TruBlue goading then look harder, it's ALL he does. Try reading the last thing he posted in here, if that's not goading then wtf is?
Sloop_Jon_Bee
14-11-15, 13:25
It's a messed up situation on so many levels. Spedger
Having said that it had nothing to do with last night and my thoughts are with those who perished and those badly injures.A sad night.http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/yikes.gif
2 worries for me:
i) The growing popularity of "you only care about x because they're white" feeling. I see absolutely no reason to introduce race into it when it's as simple as geographical closeness.
ii) Voices on Radio 5 are already marching us off to another war and blaming previous opposition for stopping it before. Rushing into wars will not help at all.
Ainsley Harriott
14-11-15, 16:29
The west drops bombs on ISIS targets and kill hundreds maybe thousands of civilians, they retaliate by killing western civilians.
A quick search of the Internet and hundreds of stories are available of the bombings by the west. One for example:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-stri kes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/us-led-air-strikes-on-isis-targets-killed-more-than-450-civilians-report)
Which set of bombers are in the right? None of them, where's it going to end?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sad.gif
Wrongs on both sides, but I don't think the world can let a group of nutters take over part of a country by be heading. Killing and raping their way to some form of power. Syria needs resolving and probably splitting up its lands. We should just give them the Islamic state they crave, then maybe they all stay in with there pre historic jihadist views on life. Maybe then they would just go away....We've moved on, "grown up" if you will. It's 2015. Is it too much of a stretch to ask them to grow up & stop believing in fairy stories too?
Two people on Radio 5 today with opposing comments:
"Ed Milliband stopped us bombing Syria so IS progressed, gained confidence and now are spreading their net of terror. We need to force them back"
"IS have been pushed back by the Kurds and attacking a civilian caffe in Paris is a far easier option than trying to regain ground"
One was a political speaker (guess which one, guess which party) and the other an academic.
Vinny Riley
14-11-15, 16:50
Greeks are saying that one of the bombers came through there islands in Oct from syria
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves. Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.Cameron insisted on refugees from official camps because public opinion was against his initial reaction (mostly after a shocking photo became the front page on most newspapers) and he had to be seen to change.
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.Well it's frightening enough if you're sitting in a cafe or watching a rock concert and the ****puts a bullet in you I would have thought. To blame Cameron for this bloodbath is pathetic and despicable. On the matter of taking in only refugees from the Middle East camps Cameron is dead right and the majority of the British people agree with him not you.
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.^^^^ this, Cameron may be a cock but how can you level this at him,
Jimmy Jimmy
14-11-15, 19:01
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14-11-15, 21:16
Its a case of if and when IS turn their sights on Israel? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.
Word has it that one of them came through Greece last month but cannot tell me whether that individual (and one individual out of the numbers that have fled this sort of violence isn't so frightening a percentage) came to Europe seeking to do this or saw friends and family drown as David Cameron decided not to help and thus became a little disfranchised with the whole "peaceful Europe" thing. "How dare you blame Cameron?!?!"
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.This IS problem is huge, we should have acted on it 9 months ago, we didnt, reading posts on here it seems people want us to leave them alone and let them get on with it, people i speak to " in real life " seem to have a different opinion and realise something needs to be done and fairly quickly, they aint teaching cooking skill in the schools in Raqqa i am afraid
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.
Word has it that one of them came through Greece last month but cannot tell me whether that individual (and one individual out of the numbers that have fled this sort of violence isn't so frightening a percentage) came to Europe seeking to do this or saw friends and family drown as David Cameron decided not to help and thus became a little disfranchised with the whole "peaceful Europe" thing. Should something be done? Yes, it should be done after thinking about what our aims are, what success looks like and what is the best way to go about it. "We should stop being soft and go and sort them out" doesn't quite cut it.
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.
Word has it that one of them came through Greece last month but cannot tell me whether that individual (and one individual out of the numbers that have fled this sort of violence isn't so frightening a percentage) came to Europe seeking to do this or saw friends and family drown as David Cameron decided not to help and thus became a little disfranchised with the whole "peaceful Europe" thing.
Cameron insisted on refugees from official camps because public opinion was against his initial reaction (mostly after a shocking photo became the front page on most newspapers) and he had to be seen to change. we cannot sit around and wait for too long, they are of course losing land all the time, Sinjar is a large step ( talking of Sinjar, the press are talking about a mass grave of yazidi's have been found outside Sinjar ), then onto Mosul
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious. I don't. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
I've asked before (although maybe not you) would you give up people knowing your mobile records for a French mother to take her son/daughter home tonight? I would give up that bit of liberty personally. That deal isn't even on the table. The attacks could easily have taken place without them ever contacting each other by phone/email/etc, just face to face.
I wonder if any of the gun men got a free pass into Europe via the migration crisis.
People warned us about this from day one. In fact ISIS even said it themselves.
But you were called racist and uncaring if you cast doubts on the wisdom of importing thousands and thousands of Muslims into European cities. Angela Merkel in particular has a lot to answer for. How long before some German cities start to have Parisian problems? Even Europe's most open and content (?)) country, Sweden, is suffering badly from an ill-thought out open-doors policy on immigration.
I'm old so I won't see it, but for my sons' sake I dread to envisage Europe in 50 years time.
Word is out that one of them was Syrian and came through Greece last month. Bit of a nightmare this scenario, but always going to happen. Birders will be closing now and this is why Cameron insisted refugees we take in came from official camps, not just ransoms who have floated in, like in France now.
Word has it that one of them came through Greece last month but cannot tell me whether that individual (and one individual out of the numbers that have fled this sort of violence isn't so frightening a percentage) came to Europe seeking to do this or saw friends and family drown as David Cameron decided not to help and thus became a little disfranchised with the whole "peaceful Europe" thing. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-ar abia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crac k-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-declares-all-atheists-are-terrorists-in-new-law-to-crack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html)
Not often I agree with Peter Hitchins but he's bang on the money in this mornings mail
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
Not often I agree with Peter Hitchins but he's bang on the money in this mornings mailvery good article http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Not often I agree with Peter Hitchins but he's bang on the money in this mornings mailDrones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4NRJoCNHIs
Not often I agree with Peter Hitchins but he's bang on the money in this mornings mailUnfortunately there is the possibility that France and the US might be contemplating Article 5 of the NATO charter.
Whatever anyone thinks of Peter Hitchen's politics he is an original and thought provoking journalist just like two other conservative commentators before him - William F Buckley and P J O'Rourke.
alfie sherwood
15-11-15, 10:18
Not often I agree with Peter Hitchins but he's bang on the money in this mornings mailI disagree with Hitchens views on many things but that is quite simply the best and most sensible thing I've read in the past 24 hours.
Having said that it had nothing to do with last night and my thoughts are with those who perished and those badly injures.A sad night.Why is it, whenever these people blow themselves up, they ALWAYS find their passport? A small (fireproof) paper booklet that survives all impact.
Not often I agree with Peter Hitchins but he's bang on the money in this mornings mail
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/ (http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/)Because if he can't even get that right then what is there to say about the rest of the article?
Really Feedback ? Well here's an article from the Jamestown Settlement and Yorktown Victory Center. To quote from it "Without the direct and indirect assistance of France, it is doubtful that Americans could have won the war for independence." I think the bit about "modestly aided by some Americans" was Hitchen's being a little tongue in cheek.
http://www.historyisfun.org/learn/learning-center/colonial-a merica-american-revolution-learning-resources/american-revol ution-essays-timelines-images/the-french-alliance/ (http://www.historyisfun.org/learn/learning-center/colonial-america-american-revolution-learning-resources/american-revolution-essays-timelines-images/the-french-alliance/)
I bet he doesn't know as much about the American revolutionary war though.
I was questioning his claim that the french won yorktown and that it was their biggest ever victory.
The Americans under general washington marched south from new jersey leaving Clinton holed up in new York. The American army consisted mainly of Americans with some auxiliaries from Russia, Spain, France, Sweden and the Netherlands. The french navy commanded by Rochambeau won it's only battle (of the chesapeake) against the royal navy - it wasn't even a win, the French navy just held the entrance to the York river and ensured the RN could supply the garrison at Gloucester or yorktown.
It's poor journalism to suggest the french won yorktown as they only commanded the naval forces.
Regardless, the single biggest french military victory is verdun. As I said it's poor journalism.
My final point is that the British lost the war on December 1776 when rall failed to defend his post at trenton. That reinvigorated what was a ragtag army and allowed congress to secure extra funding from the states. Ultimately this was Howe's error as he failed to aggressively pursue washington and 'bag him like a fox'.
Saratoga quickly followed and this happened before the french entered the fray.
Fair enough mate.
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I bet he doesn't know as much about the American revolutionary war though.What do you think of the article as a whole?
Jimmy the Jock
15-11-15, 16:00
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious.
The amount of security we get is where we differ. No goading mate, but suggesting that life isn't as easy as you suggest isn't always true. Despite you shouting the loudest. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Stop goating people FFS.
I bet he doesn't know as much about the American revolutionary war though.
I was questioning his claim that the french won yorktown and that it was their biggest ever victory.I have already said I stopped reading at the point when Hitchin started writing bollocks.
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious.
The amount of security we get is where we differ. No goading mate, but suggesting that life isn't as easy as you suggest isn't always true. Despite you shouting the loudest. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Not sure where I've goaded for an "argument", this has been my stance for years on here? Just maybe feel sort of vindicated. I guess the opposite is you feeling guilty? Is this a euphemism?
Jimmy the Jock
15-11-15, 16:26
Right, so nothing to do with the hot roof, more to do with goading people into an argument.
I know where you stand on the issue of privacy, you know where I stand. I'm not going to indulge you, find an argument elsewhere.
Good swerve. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Privacy is privacy either way, today it failed, no argument, today it's obvious.
The amount of security we get is where we differ. No goading mate, but suggesting that life isn't as easy as you suggest isn't always true. Despite you shouting the loudest. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Not sure where I've goaded for an "argument", this has been my stance for years on here? Just maybe feel sort of vindicated. I guess the opposite is you feeling guilty?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/puke.gif Crass argument isn't it?You work it out..
I bet he doesn't know as much about the American revolutionary war though.
I was questioning his claim that the french won yorktown and that it was their biggest ever victory.
The Americans under general washington marched south from new jersey leaving Clinton holed up in new York. The American army consisted mainly of Americans with some auxiliaries from Russia, Spain, France, Sweden and the Netherlands. The french navy commanded by Rochambeau won it's only battle (of the chesapeake) against the royal navy - it wasn't even a win, the French navy just held the entrance to the York river and ensured the RN could supply the garrison at Gloucester or yorktown.Fair enough. If you are interested in taking a look then let us know what you think.
I bet he doesn't know as much about the American revolutionary war though.
I was questioning his claim that the french won yorktown and that it was their biggest ever victory.
The Americans under general washington marched south from new jersey leaving Clinton holed up in new York. The American army consisted mainly of Americans with some auxiliaries from Russia, Spain, France, Sweden and the Netherlands. The french navy commanded by Rochambeau won it's only battle (of the chesapeake) against the royal navy - it wasn't even a win, the French navy just held the entrance to the York river and ensured the RN could supply the garrison at Gloucester or yorktown.
It's poor journalism to suggest the french won yorktown as they only commanded the naval forces.I'm not interested in reading horseshit when the subject matter is so grave and sensitive.
I bet he doesn't know as much about the American revolutionary war though.
I was questioning his claim that the french won yorktown and that it was their biggest ever victory.
The Americans under general washington marched south from new jersey leaving Clinton holed up in new York. The American army consisted mainly of Americans with some auxiliaries from Russia, Spain, France, Sweden and the Netherlands. The french navy commanded by Rochambeau won it's only battle (of the chesapeake) against the royal navy - it wasn't even a win, the French navy just held the entrance to the York river and ensured the RN could supply the garrison at Gloucester or yorktown.
It's poor journalism to suggest the french won yorktown as they only commanded the naval forces.
Regardless, the single biggest french military victory is verdun. As I said it's poor journalism.The floor is yours.
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