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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858
hopefully they will spread these fairly across the northern side of the city , llanishen , cycncoed , thornill , llandaff north and others http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.More trains http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
The Penguin
06-01-16, 16:09
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.Sahria law in the northern valleys by 2035
Harry Flashman
06-01-16, 16:14
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.Robbie Fowler could come back as manager and buy them all.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
More trains http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif Sorry for Trains again
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learnWhich sites are in the flood zone?
Colonel Cærdiffi
06-01-16, 19:53
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learnThey're planning to build a gypsy camp?
archibald leitch
06-01-16, 20:00
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
Colonel Cærdiffi
06-01-16, 20:12
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Colonel Cærdiffi
06-01-16, 20:17
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.
ian gibson
06-01-16, 20:23
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.He seems alright.
Colonel Cærdiffi
06-01-16, 20:25
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.DEP
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.I know and get on with all the travelers on the site never had a moments prob at all http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Colonel Cærdiffi
06-01-16, 20:28
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.Really? Ah well fair enough then.
ian gibson
06-01-16, 20:29
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.Do you know A Tuna?, he never had a son.
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.That's wonderful.
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.
I know and get on with all the travelers on the site never had a moments prob at all http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif No but i do know Sammy,Hendry and john http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
archibald leitch
06-01-16, 20:38
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities. I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.
I know and get on with all the travelers on the site never had a moments prob at all http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Do you know A Tuna?, he never had a son.do you know jack, captain of a fishing boat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself. What are you suggesting!
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself. what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliant
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.
Well my box of givea****s is empty on that score.
I'm normally of the opinion that there's good and bad in every race and nationality but gypsies are such an unpleasant bunch of people, never met a good 'un.
I know and get on with all the travelers on the site never had a moments prob at all http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif It is http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)More and improved housing stock needed in the valleys with a vastly improved service into the diff
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?Yes at Sea wall road 65 units
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
Which sites are in the flood zone?Ferry road area
I know they are building 1500 house on the farmland between the Unicorn Pub beyond bridge road, both sides of the river. Bet the people who live on the hill on bridge road will be well happy. I know the farmer who had a compulsory purchase of his land. Never seen a smile so wide.
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
Which sites are in the flood zone?
South of St Mellons theres no room left south of clive street and ferry road and it never flooded down there except under the old railway bridge next to the red house and that was only on the highest of tides which doesnt matter anymore
Thank God the Bute family lawyers did such a good job in tying the Council up in knots back in 1947 or Bale and his merry men would be building on Bute Park.
My Name is Dave.
06-01-16, 23:18
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)
hopefully they will spread these fairly across the northern side of the city , llanishen , cycncoed , thornill , llandaff north and others http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Also Radyr Sidings and the BBC site in the future aswell.
stevebrickman
06-01-16, 23:21
I have said this before on here - it will be absolutely criminal if they go ahead with the St Ederyn development (east of Pontprennau) without some significant changes to East Cardiff's road/rail infrastructure. Its a nightmare every morning as it is.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.Nearly every ounce of major industry has been ripped from the valleys, from the Coal mines, Steel works in Ebbw Vale, the Hoover plant in Merthyr and the Burberry factory at Treorchy. People need jobs, and decent jobs to boot. How will this be achieved.
I noticed in the report that they admit that three of the new housing sites and a new Pikey camp are within the flood zone.Will they ever learn
They're planning to build a gypsy camp?
Yes across the road from the old one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
As a replacement? Didn't know they were closing one, is it the Rover Way one?
Yes it is,the residents are not happy at being moved.Travellers not happy about moving? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
Might move to Cardiff then, new way of life.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
More trains http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif
I get that this is a joke, but really it could be the answer. We are blessed with plenty of stations around cardiff, they just arent used because for various reasons. Getting people back on trains would ease road congestion, which in turn would mean you could handle having more people living here. Belgium have a good train network based on this very principle if you want to look it up.It will soon be nigh on impossible to drive to the city centre for work, and the latest council brainwave of adding a new bus lane to the already crowded Caerphilly road is going to make matters even worse.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
More trains http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/getmycoat.gif
I get that this is a joke, but really it could be the answer. We are blessed with plenty of stations around cardiff, they just arent used because for various reasons. Getting people back on trains would ease road congestion, which in turn would mean you could handle having more people living here. Belgium have a good train network based on this very principle if you want to look it up.
Sorry for Trains againA reinforcement of some secure jobs in the valleys would (hopefully) lessen this by a good extent. At the moment, driving in Cardiff is only getting worse every year and some 30,000 new homes as you say, is going to become impossible to drive around the city.
St.Mellons gridlocked every Monday-Friday, so lets build 1500 new houses and add to the mayhem. To make things worse, to avoid the mayhem, I travel through the lanes, but that is where the houses are going up. Totally buggered. Feel sorry for people who eventually live in these houses, as powers to be decided to close the exit from the unicorn pub, leaving all the traffic from these houses to go through Old St.Mellons. Muppets.
Surely building north of the M4 is the only option....
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.The investment in jobs is always going to go to major cities such as Cardiff rather than to the valley's
stevebrickman
07-01-16, 17:59
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The gridlock is most likely caused by the amount of people that commute in to Cardiff for work on a daily basis - approximately 90,000 each day, many of them by car.East Cardiff has no train service.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The gridlock is most likely caused by the amount of people that commute in to Cardiff for work on a daily basis - approximately 90,000 each day, many of them by car.
The gridlock is not caused by people actually living in the city itself. Building all these houses outside of Cardiff will add to the number of commuters causing further gridlock.The same that would happen if the houses were built outside of the City instead of within it. More commuters. Though some would catch a bus as buses serve the areas you refer to. So not quite so bad.
archibald leitch
08-01-16, 07:10
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.If industry should be self sustaining then the state should not be manufacturing this growth of Cardiff which is part of the reason the valleys are struggling.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales. The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability. I'd say a property developer is more of an expert on property than the forums mouthpiece for plaid
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died. I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
Jimmy Jimmy
08-01-16, 10:32
Archie - finally something we agree on. Large proportion of people that work in Cardiff come from the valleys surrounding it - better to build homes in communities there and develop an integrated travel system - rather than clog up the city.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.http:// www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=413171&go to=4574970&rid=17978#msg_4574970 (http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=413171&goto=4574970&rid=17978#msg_4574970)
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.And how will UHW cope? It is difficult enough to park at the hospital now and guess what? Most people attending hospital can't walk, cycle or use public transport as a means of getting there.
archibald leitch
08-01-16, 12:32
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population. Cities that continuously grow not only die but kill off the surrounding communities.
Colonel Cærdiffi
08-01-16, 12:42
Start a new city, in between Cardiff and Swansea. Call it Carsea. Or Swandiff.
archibald leitch
08-01-16, 12:47
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population. I cannot think of any businesse , with the exception of coastal related business a such as the docks, which could not operate just as well in the valleys.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland. I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliantCardiff has taken in Whitchurch, Llandaff, soon to be Penarth, Creigiau, Pentyrch, Lisvane...all of which were separate communities at one point.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliantI've asked elsewhere, do you think financial and professional services could work just as well up the Valleys?
archibald leitch
08-01-16, 13:31
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliant
If industry should be self sustaining then the state should not be manufacturing this growth of Cardiff which is part of the reason the valleys are struggling. The ONLY barrier would be the reluctance of staff to get on their bike, But hey, it's ok for valleys people to travel to Cardiff. Many of those in financial services probably live in the valleys anyway.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.http://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8494&private=0
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
So last nights flounce - yet another http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif - lasted all of a few hours?Wow.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
So last nights flounce - yet another http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif - lasted all of a few hours?
How utterly predictable. Any decent human would be embarrassed.I was planning on watching a few episodes of House of Cards, but equally I wouldn't want to miss the entertainment.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
So last nights flounce - yet another http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif - lasted all of a few hours?
How utterly predictable. Any decent human would be embarrassed.
http:// www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=413171&go to=4574993&rid=17978#msg_4574993 (http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=413171&goto=4574993&rid=17978#msg_4574993)Thank you.
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliant
If industry should be self sustaining then the state should not be manufacturing this growth of Cardiff which is part of the reason the valleys are struggling.
Manufacturing the growth of cardiff? The forecast is for the city's population to grow so they have to be housed somewhere.but don't let that get in the way of your idealism
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?you are now moving the goalposts. the request was to provide evidence of any cities that didn't grow and died. I have provided that evidence. you now want to qualify it with timescales. meh!
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.
Eloquence such as this I find hard to counter.you also revert back to type. I really did miss Mr Ad Hominem. It is nice to see you back to your best.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif Can you be sure that lack of growth killed the cities? if not, then they're rubbish examples.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?The City of Ur did not die because it didn't grow, it died due to drought.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
what's wrong with them?Hope this helps http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
what's wrong with them?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif no one is sure where akkad was situated much less why it disappeared
archibald leitch
08-01-16, 18:58
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliant
If industry should be self sustaining then the state should not be manufacturing this growth of Cardiff which is part of the reason the valleys are struggling.
Manufacturing the growth of cardiff? The forecast is for the city's population to grow so they have to be housed somewhere.
People need to live where the work is - that's how the today's valleys communities came about if you recall.Classic. "Valleys people are too thick to work in financial services and us bean counters would not be seen dead in the valleys". . Comedy gold. At least we have established that your arrogance is a barrier to having an intelligent debate with you.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
you are now moving the goalposts. the request was to provide evidence of any cities that didn't grow and died. I have provided that evidence. you now want to qualify it with timescales. meh!Any comment regarding sumer, akkad or babylon?
There's gridlock on the roads at rush hour now. More grandiose schemes from an incompetent Council.
The road network is in part due to the timing of Cardiff's development. Larger cities with better road networks had infrastructure built when it was easy to do so. Nowadays it's harder to get anything built so Cardiff's infrastructure isn't going to improve any time soon.
People need to live somewhere. We need to depopulated the northern valleys and move the population south to Caerphilly, cardiff north/east/wesr and lower RCT so people are within easy commute of where the work is.
Agree-There are huge pockets of the Valleys with big social and economic problems, the Welsh government has tried initiative after initiative, with little affect. Social Mobility (in my opinion) will act as the biggest and most effective solution to eradicating some of the poverty-both socially and economic-in the South Wales Valleys. The only mis-giving is if the housing is ever built, who will it be aimed towards, and will people who need a chance to better themselves be given that opportunity.
Most people work to live, Rather than live to work. And rightly so. We should be trying to generate employment in the valleys rather than move people to the cities.
A big part of the problem is globalisation and big business. People would rather go to a big chain in Cardiff and buy something made on the other side of the world and line the pockets of a faceless corporation than buy something locally and support their neighbourhood. An attitude that is doomed to result in capitalism eating itself.
We have tried to generate employment in the valleys for many, many years, millions if not billions of European money has been thrown at this and failed.
Why should further good money be thrown at the valleys?
I am not suggesting money be thrown at the problem, unlike the people who are suggesting moving the population.
what industries do you think the valleys could support without state intervention? communities should aim to be self sustaining and self reliant
If industry should be self sustaining then the state should not be manufacturing this growth of Cardiff which is part of the reason the valleys are struggling.
Manufacturing the growth of cardiff? The forecast is for the city's population to grow so they have to be housed somewhere.
People need to live where the work is - that's how the today's valleys communities came about if you recall.
Now as industry has moved on, the topography of the valleys doesn't lend itself to modern industry. The valleys was an extraction economy and those days have passed.You're not going to get mass commuting to the valleys from Cardiff - where the majority of the population who work in financial services live. You seem to want to increase the total number of commuting journeys rather than decrease it.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
what's wrong with them?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Can you be sure that lack of growth killed the cities? if not, then they're rubbish examples.It's stopped growing. It died. Those two statements are true.
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
you are now moving the goalposts. the request was to provide evidence of any cities that didn't grow and died. I have provided that evidence. you now want to qualify it with timescales. meh!
The City of Ur did not die because it didn't grow, it died due to drought.As far as this debate goes....Ur a loser too.
And Narcisso, if more homes were built in the Valleys rather than in Cardiff, there is a plan - the Metro - to at least treble the capacity of public transport, which would see much longer train sets deployed, with far more seats, and many more trains per hour than today's limited services. And there are around 70 stations, outside Cardiff, in south Wales. Only 150 homes would be required to be built within a mile of each of these stations to match the 11000 planned for green fields in Cardiff county.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND???
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
what's wrong with them?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Can you be sure that lack of growth killed the cities? if not, then they're rubbish examples.
He can't. They are. He's wrong.its like talking to a wall lol
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
what's wrong with them?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Can you be sure that lack of growth killed the cities? if not, then they're rubbish examples.
He can't. They are. He's wrong.
Hope this helps http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif yor wasting your time mate, he can keep this up for pages and pages http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
So you can't say for sure whether I'm right or wrong. Can you answer this?
Is there evidence that ur existed?
If so, does ur exist today?
If not then it follows that at one point ur went from a state of existing to a state of not existing - in other words - it died.
Now at some point ur stopped growing, we know that because the drought mentioned by TH63 reduced it's population by 90%.
It therefore follows that since ur stopped growing and then died that it can be said that, in this case at least, if a city stops growing it dies.
And Narcisso, if more homes were built in the Valleys rather than in Cardiff, there is a plan - the Metro - to at least treble the capacity of public transport, which would see much longer train sets deployed, with far more seats, and many more trains per hour than today's limited services. And there are around 70 stations, outside Cardiff, in south Wales. Only 150 homes would be required to be built within a mile of each of these stations to match the 11000 planned for green fields in Cardiff county.The metro http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Ur, akkad, sumer and babylon didn't grow and all died.
I doubt if the demise of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia was caused by the council's failure to build 30,000 new houses on parkland.
I said cities that don't grow die. I was challenged to name cities that died due to lack of growth. I didn't just name 1 city, I named 4.
Did the cities you refer to die due to lack of growth or were their other factors? For example in the case of Ur, drought and changing river patterns?
Do you have any more recent examples, say in the last 1500 years?
tbf just saw feedys dead cities http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
what's wrong with them?
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/smiley.gif
Can you be sure that lack of growth killed the cities? if not, then they're rubbish examples.
He can't. They are. He's wrong.
Hope this helps http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif Ur existed for many years after the drought , it stopped growing and then was superceded by other ports.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability. Two houses http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
CCFC_Urawa_Reds
08-01-16, 19:32
Better off distributing the houses around Cardiff and convenient commuter towns such as Penarth, Barry, Caerphilly and Pontypridd.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.I didn't make a penny. Not like some fat, greedy, leeches that populate this messageboard.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt. I didn't make a penny. Not like some fat, greedy, leeches that populate this messageboard. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/bow.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/bow.gif
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt. I spend most of my workings days these day working with planning consultants and the last six months has been an education for sure.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt. Don't worry you're on a par with Croesy on that one http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
ian gibson
08-01-16, 19:40
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.you spend most of your working day on here http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.they are not in the valleys
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"Depends if you are talking about physical geography or mapped geography contextually
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif Rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif predictive text http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif RCT is what i meant as you well know http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif ps too slow http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Elysium wrote on Fri, 08 January 2016 20:08] Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Elysium wrote on Fri, 08 January 2016 20:08] Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif .
Packerman wrote on Fri, 08 January 2016 20:09] Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
Rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
rat http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif So long as everyone appreciates that RCT is not in the valleys...
ian gibson
08-01-16, 20:12
Beddau, Llantwit, Llantrisant etc were all part of what was known as the Ely Valley. When RCT was born it was made up of the five? valley regions.
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So lso they are not building in the valleys, they are building in RCT on the Cardiff borders, i'll leave you too it http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.Just like you're an expert at the ultimate yawn-fest, accountancy, I am an expert on cities. Which you, most certainly, are not.
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So l
so they are not building in the valleys, they are building in RCT on the Cardiff borders, i'll leave you too it http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So l
so they are not building in the valleys, they are building in RCT on the Cardiff borders, i'll leave you too it http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
"Too it"all noted http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.
What a charming young man you are.Was your work not rejected unanimously by the planning inspectorate a few years back!
Colonel Cærdiffi
08-01-16, 20:19
New strikeer incoming "strikeer"? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
New strikeer incoming
"strikeer"? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif its all on again, great news http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
New strikeer incoming
"strikeer"? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif pwned
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.
What a charming young man you are.
Two houses http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif No. The LibDem/Plaid LDP was produced by Cardiff County's planners. Nothing to do with me.
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.
What a charming young man you are.
Two houses http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
Yes, charming, but not young. I'm a grandfather.So, what exactly was your success with the work you did for PC on the Cardiff CC LDP?
My final comment is that cities that don't grow die. If cardiff doesn't grow then as the powerhouse of the welsh economy that will be bad news for Wales.
Could you name a city that died because it didn't grow? Cardiff's population projections have been made solely with its physical expansion, as prescribed in the corrupt LDP, as a driver of its population growth.
London has managed to grow and thrive since ww2 without expanding outwards - it has simply added layers of public transport and redeveloped brownfield sites - the Isle of Dogs, Nine Elms, the Lea Valley, for example.
The Cardiff LDP will merely kill the golden goose that is Cardiff's liveability.
The corrupt LDP was the previous effort put forward by Cardiff, which was thrown out by the planning inspectorate.
Haha at a property developer - one of the most grasping and nefarious professions throughout history - calling the LibDem/Plaid LDP corrupt.
This Labour LDP is the most corrupt document produced in Wales in our lifetimes. Funny that someone from Cwmbran and his Penarth sidekick are such "experts" on the probable outcome of this disastrous plan. Arseholes is too kind a description for you and your dirty ilk.
What a charming young man you are.One change of use in 6 years. I've done 10 in the past six months and I'm far from being an expert - at times it feels like pot luck depending on which LPA you deal with. Yet you're an expert having undertaken 1 in 6 years.
archibald leitch
08-01-16, 21:01
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So long as everyone appreciates that RCT is not in the valleys...I think the people of the Rhondda and Cynon valleys might disagree with you there - along with all geography teachers.
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So long as everyone appreciates that RCT is not in the valleys...
I think the people of the Rhondda and Cynon valleys might disagree with you there - along with all geography teachers. As long as we are all clear about this.
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So long as everyone appreciates that RCT is not in the valleys...
I think the people of the Rhondda and Cynon valleys might disagree with you there - along with all geography teachers.
So, the county borough council of Rhondda Cynon Taff is not in the valleys?not all of RCT is in the valleys, look at a map
Talking to my mate today and he reckons that there's 850 houses and a primary school going up on the old cwm coke works site in Tynant between Llantwit Fardre and Beddau, plus plans gone in from Llanmoor Homes to build 600 houses on Fletchers farm, also in Llantwit Fardre. The church village by-pass is bad enough now in the mornings heading towards Talbot Green, it's going to be grid locked the way things are going.
Its a travesty. They should be building the houses in places like Cardiff, not the valleys.
they are not in the valleys
Since when has Rhondda Cynon Taff not been in the valleys?
the areas above are not the valleys to me, never have been, will all be greater cardiff eventually anyway
What you neglected to say was "in my opinion they are not the valleys"
pontyclun, miskin, etc are not in the valleys, full stop, rct even straddles the m4 is that in the valleys then http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif
So long as everyone appreciates that RCT is not in the valleys...
I think the people of the Rhondda and Cynon valleys might disagree with you there - along with all geography teachers.
So, the county borough council of Rhondda Cynon Taff is not in the valleys?
That is what a number of people seem to be claiming?he's having trouble grasping this, bless him.
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
ian gibson
08-01-16, 21:42
The five valleys which make up RCT are the Cynon, the Ely, the Taff, Rhondda Fach and Rhondda Fawr.
Colonel Cærdiffi
08-01-16, 21:43
A valley is an elongated depression between uplands, hills, or mountains, especially one following the course of a stream.
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif I always thought beddau was built on the taff vale so that too would be classed as valleys using the same methodology as the Ely valley.
The five valleys which make up RCT are the Cynon, the Ely, the Taff, Rhondda Fach and Rhondda Fawr.That makes Croesy right then. Lots of backtracking and eating of humble pie
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
To be honest, I wouldn't have said lower RCT was classed as valleys, but having looked at it, the Ely valley is very much part of the valleys.as small part of the RCT is south of the m4 in an area of flatlands, but take your point,
The five valleys which make up RCT are the Cynon, the Ely, the Taff, Rhondda Fach and Rhondda Fawr.
That makes Croesy right then. Lots of backtracking and eating of humble pie um no see above http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
To be honest, I wouldn't have said lower RCT was classed as valleys, but having looked at it, the Ely valley is very much part of the valleys.
I always thought beddau was built on the taff vale so that too would be classed as valleys using the same methodology as the Ely valley.What about the bit of RCT by Nantgarw? That's West of Caerphilly - is that the valleys?
The five valleys which make up RCT are the Cynon, the Ely, the Taff, Rhondda Fach and Rhondda Fawr.
That makes Croesy right then. Lots of backtracking and eating of humble pie
um no see above http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
To be honest, I wouldn't have said lower RCT was classed as valleys, but having looked at it, the Ely valley is very much part of the valleys.
I always thought beddau was built on the taff vale so that too would be classed as valleys using the same methodology as the Ely valley.
as small part of the RCT is south of the m4 in an area of flatlands, but take your point,taff valley ends at taffs well for me so yes
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
To be honest, I wouldn't have said lower RCT was classed as valleys, but having looked at it, the Ely valley is very much part of the valleys.
I always thought beddau was built on the taff vale so that too would be classed as valleys using the same methodology as the Ely valley.
as small part of the RCT is south of the m4 in an area of flatlands, but take your point,
What about the bit of RCT by Nantgarw? That's West of Caerphilly - is that the valleys?I'm such a juvenile
ian gibson
08-01-16, 21:51
The five valleys which make up RCT are the Cynon, the Ely, the Taff, Rhondda Fach and Rhondda Fawr.
That makes Croesy right then. Lots of backtracking and eating of humble pie The Ely valley is very much part of the valleys, especially when it comes to the mining industry and it's communities. Llantwit Fardre alone has had five pits at one time or another, and the Cwm in Beddau employed more miners than any other pit in south Wales.
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif messageboard fwiends
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there then
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there thenhttp://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8499&private=0
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there then
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8499&private=0I have to say you are wrong though. I am well aware that on occasion it has been known for me to argue the toss for the sake of it.
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there then
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8499&private=0
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif on occasion http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there then
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8499&private=0
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
I have to say you are wrong though. I am well aware that on occasion it has been known for me to argue the toss for the sake of it. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/tong.gif
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there then
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8499&private=0
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
I have to say you are wrong though. I am well aware that on occasion it has been known for me to argue the toss for the sake of it.
on occasion http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif https://youtu.be/C5QAHzu_kAc
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there then
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/legacy.php?t=getfile&id=8499&private=0
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
I wonder how the Vale of Rhondda Cynon Taff is looking this fine Saturday morning?
I have to say you are wrong though. I am well aware that on occasion it has been known for me to argue the toss for the sake of it.
on occasion http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif https://youtu.be/C5QAHzu_kAc (https://youtu.be/C5QAHzu_kAc)
WJ99mobile
09-01-16, 09:49
Better off distributing the houses around Cardiff and convenient commuter towns such as Penarth, Barry, Caerphilly and Pontypridd.The a470 is already gridlocked in the mornings
WJ99mobile
09-01-16, 09:52
30,000 homes aren't going to just string up from nowhere. This will take decades to complete and hopefully the councils and WAG can get their arse into gear and sort out future transport plans.
30,000 homes aren't going to just string up from nowhere. This will take decades to complete and hopefully the councils and WAG can get their arse into gear and sort out future transport plans. 3,000 homes a year isn't a tall ask when you think of Waterhall to the West of the City, the new development by Llanedeyrn, and the piece of land between Pontprennau and Lisvane
The Ely valley (which is one of the valleys) contains miskin, pontyclun and Talbot green.
You cant help yourself can you, bless, bet you missed him, http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
messageboard fwiends
Maybe, maybe not. That doesn't change the fact you have been made to look a bit of a berk. No change there thenHmmmmm?
What is this (http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=413133&goto=4575640&rid=20253#msg_4575640) message about then?
What is this (http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=413133&goto=4575640&rid=20253#msg_4575640) message about then?Hope this helps clarify my position for you feedy
thornhillblue
09-01-16, 10:31
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)The councillors need shooting.
WJ99mobile
09-01-16, 10:37
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)
hopefully they will spread these fairly across the northern side of the city , llanishen , cycncoed , thornill , llandaff north and others http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif We're short of houses. Do you want your kids or grandchildren to live in the because the lack of supply?
thornhillblue
09-01-16, 10:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)
hopefully they will spread these fairly across the northern side of the city , llanishen , cycncoed , thornill , llandaff north and others http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The City councillors who agreed this in the first place cannot have an ounce of common sense between them!!!Why don't we do something to curb the ever increasing population of this country instead? We are an island with limited space. Eating up our green space isn't going to help anybody, least of all the wildlife of our green and pleasant land.
WJ99mobile
09-01-16, 10:53
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)
hopefully they will spread these fairly across the northern side of the city , llanishen , cycncoed , thornill , llandaff north and others http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The City councillors who agreed this in the first place cannot have an ounce of common sense between them!!!
Totally reckless and ill thought decision.It was meant to say Merthyr. Was on phone. Never mind.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35241858)
hopefully they will spread these fairly across the northern side of the city , llanishen , cycncoed , thornill , llandaff north and others http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
The City councillors who agreed this in the first place cannot have an ounce of common sense between them!!!
Totally reckless and ill thought decision.
No infrastructure will mean that North Cardiff will grind to a halt.i know he works for Her Maj's Retards and Cretins but making his progeny live in merthyr is harsh, very harsh
I wonder how the Vale of Rhondda Cynon Taff is on this awful winters day....... http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif
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