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The NUT conference will hear calls for industrial action in opposition to the changes, which union leaders say could threaten teachers' pay and job security, as such decisions about pay and conditions would be decided by academy chains.
They accuse the plans of being undemocratic and "evidence free".
A number of Conservative party representatives in local government have spoken out against the plans which would remove the role of local councils and put all schools in the hands of academy chains.
Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron sent a message to the teachers' conference saying the compulsory academy plan is "worse than misguided - it is downright harmful. It will be a costly and disruptive process for thousands of schools".
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn addressed the NUT conference on Friday and called for the academy plans to be abandoned, accusing them of being "asset stripping".
A spokesman for the Conservative party said the proposed reforms would accelerate a process of improving schools.
"We are creating a dynamic school-led system where parents have a more significant voice in schools and play an active role in their child's education.
And yet.... Plans to scrap parent governors sparks row in schools shakeup: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/17/parent-governor-role-scrapped-schools-teacher-qualifications
Eric Cartman
26-03-16, 11:09
I wondered how long it would take for the real story from last weeks budget to gain traction. The quickly reversed disabled benefit changes were bad in their own right but this is simply backdoor privatisation of our education system. No curriculum, no defined teaching standards, no accountability other than to some phoney ombudsman or the DfE, no control over the wages of execs and 'consultants'.
I have no real problem with schools choosing to convert to academy, even though the majority of the initial batch were bribed to do so, but forcing this upon them and then also forcing them to join academy chains (as was mentioned in the budget) merely serves to create enormous unaccountable gravy trains which will often be run by people with no experience in education.
It doesn't introduce competition, the line that parents will have a more significant voice in the running of their school is clearly bogus and there is little to no evidence that the plan will increase education standards.
I hope teachers strike and if they aren't listened to, I hope they leave in the droves. This could actually be this governments PFI, the disaster that will run and run and cost the nation so dearly in so many ways.
Transparent rhetoric propping up completely undemocratic actions...
It,ll be good to see the end of the parent governor bollox, in it for their little Jonnys and a line their CV.
Eric Cartman
26-03-16, 21:06
A Department for Education spokeswoman said: "It's disappointing that the NUT would rather play politics with our children's future than work constructively with us to deliver our vision for educational excellence everywhere.
"We make no apology for our reforms, which have resulted in a record number of children now being taught in good or outstanding schools - 1.4 million more than in 2010.
"And as set out in our White Paper we are determined to continue with our vision to ensure every single child has the best possible education, as well as raising the status of the profession. It would be refreshing to see the NUT doing likewise."
Are the DfE canvassing for the Tories now?
What I would like to know, is what happens to all the land belonging to English schools, some of it presumably very valuable.
Does this just get handed over for free to the companies that are going to be running their schools? Can they then sell off their playing fields etc and make huge profits?
Are we not just handing out free cash to the boards of these companies that will be running schools?
Apparently a significant number of tory donors linked to academy companies.
Eric Cartman
27-03-16, 15:21
https://disidealist.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-schools-how-state-schools-will-be-privatised-without-anyone-noticing/
Good blog about this change and who really benefits.
waynekerr55
27-03-16, 20:15
Ofsted have certainly tightened their regime up in the England. I do however frown at the idea that we as a nation are fascinated by outcomes yet all the literature on goal setting shows that focus on outcomes only results in poor performance.
Eric Cartman
06-05-16, 14:36
U turn completed. Good news. Just worrying that the only dissenting voices that mattered were not heads, teachers or people who work in education but Tory MPs and Tory councillors
U turn completed. Good news. Just worrying that the only dissenting voices that mattered were not heads, teachers or people who work in education but Tory MPs and Tory councillors
Didn't the Tory party suggest that teachers shouldn't follow Dr's and get a change imposed on them? How can you completely ignore those on the ground (even misrepresenting studies so that the authors of those studies have to correct you several times publicly) and how can people vote for such behaviour.
Another Tory shambles. Totally incompetent.
waynekerr55
06-05-16, 19:49
Another Tory shambles. Totally incompetent.
Both as bad as each other. Labour's qualification success rate gravy train was the biggest crime IMO. Widespread dumbing down of qualifications and waste on a grand scale.
Both as bad as each other. Labour's qualification success rate gravy train was the biggest crime IMO. Widespread dumbing down of qualifications and waste on a grand scale.
They didn't alienate the entire teaching profession. They didn't try and force schools to become academies despite not having a mandate to do so. Teachers are leaving the profession in significant numbers. We are going to have a teacher shortage before too long. I realise you and I don't share the same politics but to say the are as bad as each other is wide of the mark. This Government thinks they know better than the teaching profession when in reality they are clueless.
Two words Wayne. Nicky Morgan.
They didn't alienate the entire teaching profession. They didn't try and force schools to become academies despite not having a mandate to do so. Teachers are leaving the profession in significant numbers. We are going to have a teacher shortage before too long. I realise you and I don't share the same politics but to say the are as bad as each other is wide of the mark. This Government thinks they know better than the teaching profession when in reality they are clueless.
Two words Wayne. Nicky Morgan.
Out of interest, how is education in Wales doing?
They didn't alienate the entire teaching profession. They didn't try and force schools to become academies despite not having a mandate to do so. Teachers are leaving the profession in significant numbers. We are going to have a teacher shortage before too long. I realise you and I don't share the same politics but to say the are as bad as each other is wide of the mark. This Government thinks they know better than the teaching profession when in reality they are clueless.
Two words Wayne. Nicky Morgan.
They also know better than GP's,Dr's and nursery owners.
Out of interest, how is education in Wales doing?
In the last major study I paid attention to (perhaps not the most recent) Scotland was ahead of England which was ahead of Wales which would suggest the SNP and Labour have a much better idea of things, especially considering Scotland like Wales would be resources poor when compared to England.
In the last major study I paid attention to (perhaps not the most recent) Scotland was ahead of England which was ahead of Wales which would suggest the SNP and Labour have a much better idea of things, especially considering Scotland like Wales would be resources poor when compared to England.
What's your thinking on Labour having a much better idea of things?
Eric the Half a Bee
06-05-16, 20:59
Out of interest, how is education in Wales doing?
Pearcey3 is spot on. How about responding to the comments he made?
Pearcey3 is spot on. How about responding to the comments he made?
How about somebody responding to my comments, eh Eric!
How about somebody responding to my comments, eh Eric!
Eric?
Eric the Half a Bee
06-05-16, 21:47
How about somebody responding to my comments, eh Eric!
Ok. Academies are nothing to do with raising educational standards. They're about removing public scrutiny from schools and opening lots of school land to private interests. Not healthy at all.
How is education in Wales going? I'm not a fan of too much Welshness being brought into the classroom at the expense of things that matter more, I'm particularly against the savage cuts that are being made to music education in Wales. I'm totally against the way teachers have been attacked by the government (UK not Wales) and can see large numbers of well qualified and experienced teachers leaving the profession. That's ok, though, because academies don't require qualified teachers.
Ok. Academies are nothing to do with raising educational standards. They're about removing public scrutiny from schools and opening lots of school land to private interests. Not healthy at all.
How is education in Wales going? I'm not a fan of too much Welshness being brought into the classroom at the expense of things that matter more, I'm particularly against the savage cuts that are being made to music education in Wales. I'm totally against the way teachers have been attacked by the government (UK not Wales) and can see large numbers of well qualified and experienced teachers leaving the profession. That's ok, though, because academies don't require qualified teachers.
How is education in Wales going though?
Eric the Half a Bee
06-05-16, 21:57
How is education in Wales going though?
For a country with social and economic problems far greater than England I'm not aware that education in Wales was a sinking ship that is failing all the young people. I presume you are going to tell me I'm wrong. Please, go ahead.
For a country with social and economic problems far greater than England I'm not aware that education in Wales was a sinking ship that is failing all the young people. I presume you are going to tell me I'm wrong. Please, go ahead.
No, no, education in Wales is just fine.
Why are there such social and economic problems in Wales after 17 years of Labour power?
Surely enough time to turn things around!
I can't answer your question Croesy. All I can say is that my son' s school is losing a lot of teachers . It's the Cotswold school. It's an Academy and very highly regarded. However it's all about rote learning. It's a results factory and that idiot Gove has a lot to answer for. My 17 year old son is doing constant exams. His AS level exams next month will count for nothing as he will have to do them again next year. Schools are being forced down a route of parrot fashion learning with teachers under huge pressure to produce results.
I look at my son. I look at his mates. I look at his teachers. They are all fed up. School isn't enjoyable it's just constant pressure. This Government has not got a clue.
Eric the Half a Bee
06-05-16, 22:04
No, no, education in Wales is just fine.
Why are there such social and economic problems in Wales after 17 years of Labour power?
Surely enough time to turn things around!
Why are there such social and economic problems in the UK after Thatcher, Blair (Tory) and Cameron?
People sleeping rough in England rose 30% from 2014 to 2015. Can't blame Labour for that, or are they just feckless layabouts?
Why are there such social and economic problems in the UK after Thatcher, Blair (Tory) and Cameron?
People sleeping rough in England rose 30% from 2014 to 2015. Can't blame Labour for that, or are they just feckless layabouts?
Blair was the Labour Prime minister for many years, he was not a Tory, sorry to disappoint. Much of the problems you refer to derive from his years in power.
When I heard Nicky Morgan saying it was " the right thing to do"(this is a stock Cameron phrase) to change tack over Academies because she had listened to teachers,parents etc it made my blood boil. Why the **** didn't she consult with them in the first place before trying to bulldoze through the Academisation of every school. Where was this huge educational change in their Election manifesto? Where was their mandate for all of this? How many more policies are going to crash and burn because of their Ill conceived dogma?
Eric the Half a Bee
06-05-16, 22:24
Blair was the Labour Prime minister for many years, he was not a Tory, sorry to disappoint. Much of the problems you refer to derive from his years in power.
Shows how ****ing clueless you are.
Will Cam and Gideon force academy status on Eton?
Shows how ****ing clueless you are.
And that response shows how classless you are. With that I'll leave there.
Eric Cartman
07-05-16, 08:19
And that response shows how classless you are. With that I'll leave there.
This is a thread about the forcing of schools to transfer to academy status and now the subsequent U turn. If you have nothing to say on the subject then yes that it is probably for the best.
This is a thread about the forcing of schools to transfer to academy status and now the subsequent U turn. If you have nothing to say on the subject then yes that it is probably for the best.
Why is it that when this Government starts a policy the whole of the left thinking people are up in arms, and then when the Government actually listen to what is being said and pull back from implementing it, they are being 'forced into a U turn'?
You cannot have it both ways. If the government is listening, then it's listening. How can that make you angry?
Is it perhaps because they have removed a stick you might have wanted to beat them with?
A Government that makes bad decisions then listens and changes them must be better than one that doesn't listen, or one that does nothing at all. What exactly do people want??:shrug:
Why is it that when this Government starts a policy the whole of the left thinking people are up in arms, and then when the Government actually listen to what is being said and pull back from implementing it, they are being 'forced into a U turn'?
You cannot have it both ways. If the government is listening, then it's listening. How can that make you angry?
Is it perhaps because they have removed a stick you might have wanted to beat them with?
A Government that makes bad decisions then listens and changes them must be better than one that doesn't listen, or one that does nothing at all. What exactly do people want??:shrug:
The U turn is a good thing.
I doubt it is due to the government listening to the arguments against the policy, more a desperate attempt to close off some of the internal Tory opposition that would stack up against them in the Euro vote.
There have been so many major U turns over the past couple of months that it is fair to question the judgement and competence of the government - that is still a stick worth beating them with.
Eric Cartman
07-05-16, 09:30
Why is it that when this Government starts a policy the whole of the left thinking people are up in arms, and then when the Government actually listen to what is being said and pull back from implementing it, they are being 'forced into a U turn'?
You cannot have it both ways. If the government is listening, then it's listening. How can that make you angry?
Is it perhaps because they have removed a stick you might have wanted to beat them with?
A Government that makes bad decisions then listens and changes them must be better than one that doesn't listen, or one that does nothing at all. What exactly do people want??:shrug:
I don't think I have shown anger about the U-turn, it is the correct decision. Unfortunately I don't think the opinions of the head teachers, teachers or parents who were against the policy had any impact at all on this decision. There was a groundswell of opposition to this policy amongst Tory MP's and also within Tory held councils across the country.
I am angry that a government can get so close to fundamentally and irreversibly changing our education system with no proof that it will improve standards. This was privatisation by the back door and there appeared to be, once again, little scrutiny of it as a policy in the press until the Tory backlash emerged.
The press continually refer to Corbyn as 'radical'. What could be more radical changing the legal status of every school in Britain on a whim?
I would imagine they will let the furore die down and then try and 'covertly' implement this policy any way they can, offering subsidies and grants that schools just can't turn down.
When I use the word 'you' in a general statement it is not directed at a particular person.
The correct word is 'one' but were I to write in that way lots of people would call me a stuck up tory scum or a public school boy, because the usage of the English language has deteriortated so much over the years that if one was to write in the old style one would be thought of as being 'above one's station.'
Why is it that when this Government starts a policy the whole of the left thinking people are up in arms, and then when the Government actually listen to what is being said and pull back from implementing it, they are being 'forced into a U turn'?
You cannot have it both ways. If the government is listening, then it's listening. How can that make you angry?
Is it perhaps because they have removed a stick you might have wanted to beat them with?
A Government that makes bad decisions then listens and changes them must be better than one that doesn't listen, or one that does nothing at all. What exactly do people want??:shrug:
That's a very convenient answer. They were trying to force successful schools to become academies. All schools. Where was this in their manifesto? Why did they not consult with the teaching profession about this before trying to force their ideology through? If a Labour Govt behaved this way they would be hammered by the press. They are trying to get away with this and yet again have been found out.
In what way is the answer"Convenient". It is just an answer.
do you really mean "The answer doesn't fit with my ideological thinking?" Or do you intend to imply something else?
You conveniently ignore the fact that such a huge educational change was not in their manifesto. You conveniently ignore the fact that such a huge educational change was not even discussed with the teacher profession. Had they carried out proper consultation they would have known this was a non starter. You conveniently ignore the fact Cameron gloated in PMQT about this this policy being part of their legislation. You conveniently ignore the fact they have been forced to back down because of the hostily within their own party and the teaching profession.
They tried to force successful LEA schools down the privatised route. If these schools are already successful the only reason for change is ideological
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