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the other bob wilson
16-06-16, 04:16
I was wondering, what would a vote for leaving mean for football in this country? Would the number of foreign players being signed at all levels of the professional game be reduced dramatically and, if it were, would that necessarily be a bad thing because it would almost certainly mean more first team chances for young British players?
On the other hand, a decline in the number of big name foreign players in the Premier League could have implications with regard to numbers willing to pay subscription charges to watch matches and this would, surely, eventually have an impact on the amount of television money clubs received.
British clubs aren't exactly shining in European competition at the moment, but would the presence of more British players in teams taking part see an upturn in fortunes for those clubs as they went back to playing in a way which more suits traditional British strengths?
Colonel Cærdiffi
16-06-16, 06:47
YEAH THEY TRIED SAYING THAT TO NORWAY MATE
It'll be a small price to pay when we pull up the draw bridge on June 24th.
I think I'll miss croissants the most
Assuming any legislation that protects workers rights will be first in the Tories' firing line, Brexit could be the end of the Bosman.
Many current players would fail to get a work permit to play here, eg Liverpool's Simon Mignolet, of course some might argue that would be a good thing.
Certainly if it prevents shit Norwegian managers coming over here then I'm all for it.
That said, if we leave the EU, many of us won't be able to afford to watch City or Sky anymore anyway.
Llanedeyrnblue
16-06-16, 07:32
I've yet to here any remain supporter say anything positive about staying in only negative things about leaving
Gofer Blue
16-06-16, 07:36
If it means we could get rid of the likes of the charming Mr. Skrtel then so be it.
Llanedeyrnblue
16-06-16, 07:37
If it means we could get rid of the likes of the charming Mr. Skrtel then so be it.
This^^^^
Wales-Bales
16-06-16, 07:46
I've yet to here any remain supporter say anything positive about staying in only negative things about leaving
That's because they've been brainwashed by Cameron and Osborne's Project Fear and regurgitate it all verbatim :hehe:
not telling
16-06-16, 07:50
I've yet to here any remain supporter say anything positive about staying in only negative things about leaving
So here is one for you:
My job involves putting together a Europe-wide bank of stem cells. This is a European project, supported by the Innovative Medicines Initiative. It is a major piece of work (€35m) and is designed to support major improvements in medical research. We are working with researchers in the UK (Scotland and England), France, Germany, Denmark and Spain. It is also designed to make Europe a more attractive place for pharma companies to do their research in this cutting edge area of medicine, bringing good quality jobs to the EU.
It would not have happened without the EU and it is difficult to see what alternative body could have made it happen.
Assuming any legislation that protects workers rights will be first in the Tories' firing line, Brexit could be the end of the Bosman.
Many current players would fail to get a work permit to play here, eg Liverpool's Simon Mignolet, of course some might argue that would be a good thing.
Certainly if it prevents shit Norwegian managers coming over here then I'm all for it.
That said, if we leave the EU, many of us won't be able to afford to watch City or Sky anymore anyway.
If we leave the EU, we won't even have telly anymore.
We'll have to sit around the wireless, waiting for impending doom.
Oh sorry, that's next Wednesday's press release from Dave.
Monkey-Butt
16-06-16, 07:52
:hehe:
Llanedeyrnblue
16-06-16, 07:52
So here is one for you:
My job involves putting together a Europe-wide bank of stem cells. This is a European project, supported by the Innovative Medicines Initiative. It is a major piece of work (€35m) and is designed to support major improvements in medical research. We are working with researchers in the UK (Scotland and England), France, Germany, Denmark and Spain. It is also designed to make Europe a more attractive place for pharma companies to do their research in this cutting edge area of medicine, bringing good quality jobs to the EU.
It would not have happened without the EU and it is difficult to see what alternative body could have made it happen.
€35 is less than what we give the EU each week
I've yet to here any remain supporter say anything positive about staying in only negative things about leaving
Ok, how about continued protection of workers' rights and European funding in education
By the same token, I've yet to hear any positives about leaving from the brexiters, just bluster about immigration and our (negligible) contribution to Brussels.
So how about you give those of us who want to remain, some tangible benefits to exit?
Wales-Bales
16-06-16, 07:54
If we leave the EU, we won't even have telly anymore.
We'll have to sit around the wireless, waiting for impending doom.
Oh sorry, that's next Wednesday's press release from Dave.
You are deluded if you think anybody will own a radio!
€35 is less than what we give the EU each week
If it's only €35 I'd fund it myself.
You are deluded if you think anybody will own a radio!
Damn right. I'm with EON, my leccy goes off next week
Ok, how about continued protection of workers' rights and European funding in education
By the same token, I've yet to hear any positives about leaving from the brexiters, just bluster about immigration and our (negligible) contribution to Brussels.
So how about you give those of us who want to remain, some tangible benefits to exit?
We get to see Dave's smug shiny face crumple like the Colonel's bouncy castle.
That'll do for me.
not telling
16-06-16, 08:17
€35 is less than what we give the EU each week
Leaving aside the obvious typo, why would one project be expected to return a week's contribution to the EU? That was not the point. It is a concrete example of something good happening, that we are involved with, that would not have happened if there were no EU.
Colonel Cærdiffi
16-06-16, 08:32
Remember when Michael J. Fox started disappearing in Back to the Future?
http://blog.jerwoodvisualarts.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/article001.jpg
Well if you vote to leave the EU, this is what will happen to any European player left in Britain. Is this what you want? Think carefully about your Brexit vote, folks.
I've yet to here any remain supporter say anything positive about staying in only negative things about leaving
Here HEAR. :hehe:
You've caught something off of chris, think it's called stupidity :hehe:
You are deluded if you think anybody will own a radio!
I think they'll have trannies instead. :hehe::hehe:
CC in
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"Many current players would fail to get a work permit to play her" - why would they ? - you must know something the rest of us dont
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35919247
not telling
16-06-16, 08:47
To get back to the original point:
We will do one of tow things
Option A
We remain in the single market, accepting free movement of labour. If this happens, nothing really changes.
Option B
We withdraw from the single market. In this case, I would expect EU footballers to need to qualify on the same terms as non-EU footballers need to qualify - % of matches played, based on the country's FIFA ranking. I would expect this to reduce the pool of non-UK players available to UK clubs and the likelihood is, that the wealthier and more attractive clubs will be able to recruit them. So outwith the tops clubs, fewer foreign players. This will mean two things - firstly, further concentration of power to the richer clubs, and secondly, if we take Cardiff as an example, most of our non-EU players would not have qualified so we would not have enjoyed the talents of [fill in name]
To get back to the original point:
We will do one of TOW things
Option A
We remain in the single market, accepting free movement of labour. If this happens, nothing really changes.
Option B
We withdraw from the single market. In this case, I would expect EU footballers to need to qualify on the same terms as non-EU footballers need to qualify - % of matches played, based on the country's FIFA ranking. I would expect this to reduce the pool of non-UK players available to UK clubs and the likelihood is, that the wealthier and more attractive clubs will be able to recruit them. So outwith the tops clubs, fewer foreign players. This will mean two things - firstly, further concentration of power to the richer clubs, and secondly, if we take Cardiff as an example, most of our non-EU players would not have qualified so we would not have enjoyed the talents of [fill in name]
So we're towing Europe now as well !
Hope it's a strong rope. :hehe::hehe::wales:
Ok, how about continued protection of workers' rights and European funding in education
By the same token, I've yet to hear any positives about leaving from the brexiters, just bluster about immigration and our (negligible) contribution to Brussels.
So how about you give those of us who want to remain, some tangible benefits to exit?
Workers rights were available in this country many years prior to joining the EU.
UK based Education was historically seen as one of the top countries in the world. Where are we now ?
I am not anti EU and would probably vote to remain but some of the ridiculous statements from remain spokespeople have been nothing short of scandalous.
Try watching the recent interview with Andrew Neill and Osbourne to see how "squirmy" he became when challenged with facts concerning many of his statements.
"Many current players would fail to get a work permit to play her" - why would they ? - you must know something the rest of us dont
To get a work permit you need to have played in 75% of your country's games in the last 3 years (or something). Most non-UK players in the premier league haven't done that. Go outside the PL and it's close to all of them.
"British football could be radically changed if the UK votes to leave" - that is an opinion not a FACT or even a prediction.
Lets says there is a BREXIT - NOTHING will change on the 24th June, nothing happens until the PM invokes Article 50 - we can do that whenever we want , he could invoke it after 2 years (fact) , it's estimated we would then have 2 years after that until that came into effect (no one has ever left the EU before).
Sovereign Parliament - you make the rules.
ps - I am 51-49 and that changes on a daily basis. But I am sick the back teeth of the scare mongering - If you want to scared that's up to you. I'd rather have the control
Tbh, I'm sick of the scaremongering from BOTH sides, be it the threat of financial meltdown or mass immigration.
Like you,I want FACTS on which to base my vote, but there is precious little in the way of fact being presented by either side.
Maybe im naturally cautious but in the absence of fact, I'd prefer to stick rather than twist.
Pythagoras Theorem - 24 Words
The Lord's Prayer - 66 Words
Archimede's Principle - 67 Words
The Ten Commandments - 179 Words
The US Declaration of Independence - 1,300 words
EU regulations on the sale of cabbages - 26,911 words
:hehe:
Lets just f***off out and pick the bones afterwards.
If we leave, more will follow, that's the only certainty in all of it.
EadosEados
16-06-16, 10:01
I'm voting to leave based on this:
If about 75% of politicians in the country and the leaders and government are backing "Remain", then that's got be a good incentive to leave.
In which you should make your mind up based on democracy and sovereignty - and there is only one winner in that argument.
Unfortunately, we'll still have the House Of Lords as an obstacle to our democracy.
€35 is less than what we give the EU each week
I hear this a lot, if the UK leaves the EU where do you think that money will go? To the NHS? To your favorite charity? Or just straight in your pocket.
The OP is about footballers and football, it s a million miles away from the working class of this country, this forum has shown over the past few weeks that the #Project Fear supporters are shitting on the working classes and frightened to death of loosing their new found middle class status, I am now back in the unsure camp, but one thing I am sure of, is the multi millionaire footballers will always be multi millionaires irrespective of the vote and irrespective of what country they are playing in, if sky suffer, then I'll not lose any sleep over it, a decent article this morning IMO.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/brexit-working-class-sick-racist-eu-referendum
:hehe:
Common sense on Brexit exhibited by you - 0 words
Workers rights were available in this country many years prior to joining the EU.
UK based Education was historically seen as one of the top countries in the world. Where are we now ?
I am not anti EU and would probably vote to remain but some of the ridiculous statements from remain spokespeople have been nothing short of scandalous.
Try watching the recent interview with Andrew Neill and Osbourne to see how "squirmy" he became when challenged with facts concerning many of his statements.
Remind me. Who instituted the WTD and when?
I was wondering, what would a vote for leaving mean for football in this country? Would the number of foreign players being signed at all levels of the professional game be reduced dramatically and, if it were, would that necessarily be a bad thing because it would almost certainly mean more first team chances for young British players?
On the other hand, a decline in the number of big name foreign players in the Premier League could have implications with regard to numbers willing to pay subscription charges to watch matches and this would, surely, eventually have an impact on the amount of television money clubs received.
British clubs aren't exactly shining in European competition at the moment, but would the presence of more British players in teams taking part see an upturn in fortunes for those clubs as they went back to playing in a way which more suits traditional British strengths?
Who knows. We leave and there could still be freedom of movement. In fact thats probably likely.
Eric Cartman
16-06-16, 17:56
That is almost certainly guaranteed - the Dutch and Danes definitely and possibly the Germans (though Im not sure they are a bit likes us 50/50)
The NET contributions we make though are still only around 1% of GDP for the UK. We do have a lot things that we spend money on, and although the EU money seems to be badly spent - what we get back in trade is bigger. However each month we buy in 10 billion of goods / services more from the EU than we export to the EU.
The answer is too complex for most people to get their heads around.
In which you should make your mind up based on democracy and sovereignty - and there is only one winner in that argument.
Is it burn down the House of Lords and kill our unelected head of state?
Is it burn down the House of Lords and kill our unelected head of state?
And use proportional representation to prevent 24% of the electorate choosing a government nobody else wants.
the other bob wilson
20-06-16, 08:27
The Premier League, hardly surprisingly, is backing a remain vote this morning - the leave campaign's response is included in this piece.
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/barclays-premier-league/story/2897686/premier-league-chief-richard-scudamore-backs-remain-in-eu-referendum
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 12:38
WOL - This is how Brexit will affect Swansea City, Cardiff City and the whole of British football
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/how-brexit-affect-swansea-city-11520455?
Llanedeyrnblue
24-06-16, 12:45
Remember when Michael J. Fox started disappearing in Back to the Future?
http://blog.jerwoodvisualarts.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/article001.jpg
Well if you vote to leave the EU, this is what will happen to any European player left in Britain. Is this what you want? Think carefully about your Brexit vote, folks.
It's big hand he's a City fan
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