View Full Version : My first Brexit quetion (and probably last)
Michael Morris
22-06-16, 10:47
If the country votes in the referendum to leave the EU, do we actually have to do it?
Isn't this to gauge opinion rather than actually make it real.
Anyone explain to me (as a political dummy) what the procedure will be.
It would have to be ratified by parliament, but I can't imagine a situation where they would overrule a referendum, unless there were legal challenges or something
Ainsley Harriott
22-06-16, 10:55
Cameron has said he will accept the will of the people and will immediately look to invoke article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. It would be interesting to see how parliament would look to handle the situation...
Dénia Bluebird
22-06-16, 10:57
If the country votes in the referendum to leave the EU, do we actually have to do it?
Isn't this to gauge opinion rather than actually make it real.
Anyone explain to me (as a political dummy) what the procedure will be.
I understand the government stated very clearly that the results of the referendum are binding on the government although I imagine it will have to be ratified by Parliament which will be automatic. I hooe we never have to find out what the orocess is though!
REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN
I understand the government stated very clearly that the results of the referendum are binding on the government although I imagine it will have to be ratified by Parliament which will be automatic. I hooe we never have to find out what the orocess is though!
REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN REMAIN
I'm pretty sure you never will if you live in Spain.
Do you get a vote if you live
abroad - I'm assuming you're British by the way.
Dénia Bluebird
22-06-16, 11:15
I'm pretty sure you never will if you live in Spain.
Do you get a vote if you live
abroad - I'm assuming you're British by the way.
Yes I am Welsh and yes expats get a vote for the first 15 years of their "exile". Quite amazing since we have to pay if we use NHS hospitals on the rare occasions we return.
Gloucester Blue
22-06-16, 11:20
I suspect that if we get a Brexit vote, the EU will panic and start some proper negotiations which would lead to a 2nd Referendum.
Yes I am Welsh and yes expats get a vote for the first 15 years of their "exile". Quite amazing since we have to pay if we use NHS hospitals on the rare occasions we return.
Cheers for that. Seems strange to me that you can still vote even after you leave but I guess as you're still a uk citizen then legally its your right.
Are you eligible to vote in Spanish elections as well?
Dénia Bluebird
22-06-16, 11:26
Cheers for that. Seems strange to me that you can still vote even after you leave but I guess as you're still a uk citizen then legally its your right.
Are you eligible to vote in Spanish elections as well?
We can vote in local council elections but NOT in the National (General) elections. I understand exactly the same arrangements apply to foreigners kiving in UK.
We can vote in local council elections but NOT in the National (General) elections. I understand exactly the same arrangements apply to foreigners kiving in UK.
Ah right. Learned something new today then. I was under the impression that only people living here could vote in the referendum.
I suspect that if we get a Brexit vote, the EU will panic and start some proper negotiations which would lead to a 2nd Referendum.
I doubt that, we already have very good terms with the EU, if they give us even better other countries will want it too.
If we leave they will slap trade tariffs on us to make an example of us. To put off others from leaving.
darran1927
22-06-16, 11:32
They don't have to by law accept the leave vote but Cameron has already said he'll do what the people vote for.
If we do vote leave then it won't be overnight we have to wait at least 2 years essentially giving a 2 year notice to Brussels, this gives us the time to sort out trade with other countries
Mad as a fish
22-06-16, 12:08
I doubt that, we already have very good terms with the EU, if they give us even better other countries will want it too.
If we leave they will slap trade tariffs on us to make an example of us. To put off others from leaving.
The UK spends millions on German cars. They would be stupid to up the tarrifs.
Dénia Bluebird
22-06-16, 12:15
The UK spends millions on German cars. They would be stupid to up the tarrifs.
And I suspect that Britons will continue to spend millions on German Cars, more to the point is whether the Germans will want to buy anything from the UK. As someone earlier said,there seems little doubt that the countries of the EU will want to make an example out of the UK. Best in my opinion is not to allow a Brexit to happen, life doesnt seem too bad to me right now?
Cretin Hop
22-06-16, 12:19
Vote to Remaina d the UK is stuck with EU rules period.
Vote to Leave and the EU will come begging for us to return as an associate member just like they did to Denmark who refused to sign the 1992 Treaty. Hasn't done the Danes any harm.
The only opportunity to seek reform and remain in the EU hub is to vote Leave. The EU will not want an EU without the UK in it in some capacity.
Saying all this, I still have not made up my mind :shrug:
Vote to Remaina d the UK is stuck with EU rules period.
Vote to Leave and the EU will come begging for us to return as an associate member just like they did to Denmark who refused to sign the 1992 Treaty. Hasn't done the Danes any harm.
The only opportunity to seek reform and remain in the EU hub is to vote Leave. The EU will not want an EU without the UK in it in some capacity.
Saying all this, I still have not made up my mind :shrug:
I'm not so sure about that. I wanted Scotland to stay in the UK but if they had voted out then my view would have changed to something along the lines of, "ok, good luck, seeya then". I expect most of Europe feel the same way to us.
Wales-Bales
22-06-16, 12:57
Some stuff just come up on Facebook saying the 77-year old mining disaster hero who tried to intervene during the attack on that MP has been dead for three years. Anybody else getting this?
Eric Cartman
22-06-16, 13:21
They don't have to by law accept the leave vote but Cameron has already said he'll do what the people vote for.
If we do vote leave then it won't be overnight we have to wait at least 2 years essentially giving a 2 year notice to Brussels, this gives us the time to sort out trade with other countries
Which is very unlikely to be enough time to sort anything out with anyone let alone every country that we currently have a deal with via the EU.
Eric Cartman
22-06-16, 13:22
If I was an MP whose constituency voted to stay whilst the uk as a whole voted to leave what should I do?
Eric Cartman
22-06-16, 13:23
Some stuff just come up on Facebook saying the 77-year old mining disaster hero who tried to intervene during the attack on that MP has been dead for three years. Anybody else getting this?
Quite impressive if true.
Ainsley Harriott
22-06-16, 13:31
The UK spends millions on German cars. They would be stupid to up the tarrifs.
And I suspect that Britons will continue to spend millions on German Cars, more to the point is whether the Germans will want to buy anything from the UK. As someone earlier said,there seems little doubt that the countries of the EU will want to make an example out of the UK. Best in my opinion is not to allow a Brexit to happen, life doesnt seem too bad to me right now?
We spend over £10 billion a year on German cars.
Even a 5% tariff on cars would see BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz & Volkswagen having to pay many hundreds of millions of Euros each year to continue selling at the level they do (or putting an extra couple of grand on the selling price of many models and risk competitors becoming more attractive).
As the auto industry accounts for the largest chunk of GDP of any industrial sector in Germany, I can't see them being happy if their government were to push for tariffs to make an example of us.
Wales-Bales
22-06-16, 13:51
We spend over £10 billion a year on German cars.
Even a 5% tariff on cars would see BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz & Volkswagen having to pay many hundreds of millions of Euros each year to continue selling at the level they do (or putting an extra couple of grand on the selling price of many models and risk competitors becoming more attractive).
As the auto industry accounts for the largest chunk of GDP of any industrial sector in Germany, I can't see them being happy if their government were to push for tariffs to make an example of us.
^^^^
This
It's all fear porn.
Mrs Steve R
22-06-16, 17:48
Some stuff just come up on Facebook saying the 77-year old mining disaster hero who tried to intervene during the attack on that MP has been dead for three years. Anybody else getting this?
Have you looked any further in to this? I was just having a look what people are saying, there seems to be some discrepancies in his marriage certificates and the electoral record, if only I knew someone who was an expert in this sort of thing...
Tall Midget
22-06-16, 18:04
Have you looked any further in to this? I was just having a look what people are saying, there seems to be some discrepancies in his marriage certificates and the electoral record, if only I knew someone who was an expert in this sort of thing...
It's a mind field
Mrs Steve R
22-06-16, 18:10
It's a mind field
Well I don't mind, if you don't mind :tongue:
Tall Midget
22-06-16, 18:19
Well I don't mind, if you don't mind :tongue:
But you're a happily married woman............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .aren't you? :hehe::hehe::hehe:
Mrs Steve R
22-06-16, 18:31
But you're a happily married woman............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .aren't you? :hehe::hehe::hehe:
I think we are talking about two different things now. :hehe:
Tall Midget
22-06-16, 18:42
I think we are talking about two different things now. :hehe:
http://i63.tinypic.com/bg93m8.jpg
Croesy Blue
22-06-16, 18:43
You dont need a trade deal to export / import with other countries.
Outside the EU, the UK would need to strike new deals in order to have free trade with those countries or the remaining EU members
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/what-would-brexit-mean-for-british-trade/
My understanding is the leave campaign, should they succeed, won't want to start negotiation immediately. When negotiation starts it can last up to two years and may last longer.
It's unlikely that this uncertainty will do anything positive for the economy; the leave campaign rightfully point out that we won't be like Canada (or any other existing model) but are unable to say where they may compromise in negotiation; there is little guarantee that the EU backing of Welsh projects will continue in the same vein (the coalition spent on areas where they could gain or lose votes prior to the last election but Tories are still consistently second or third best here); the opening up of democracy that this could have lead to won't happen - where was Boris, Farage and Gove when we could have changed the way we voted? Have they criticised cutting short money? Did they speak out against dead-cat policy? The only way the UK is the strongest in teh world is our levels of soft-power but leaving such a recognised group may weaken us in that department.
It's not a a referendum we needed at this time (what we needed was some serious debate and focus on the underlying frustration) as we haven't really tried to reform the EU and thus leaving would see us depart from the party before trying to engage.
Dénia Bluebird
23-06-16, 07:15
My understanding is the leave campaign, should they succeed, won't want to start negotiation immediately. When negotiation starts it can last up to two years and may last longer.
It's unlikely that this uncertainty will do anything positive for the economy; the leave campaign rightfully point out that we won't be like Canada (or any other existing model) but are unable to say where they may compromise in negotiation; there is little guarantee that the EU backing of Welsh projects will continue in the same vein (the coalition spent on areas where they could gain or lose votes prior to the last election but Tories are still consistently second or third best here); the opening up of democracy that this could have lead to won't happen - where was Boris, Farage and Gove when we could have changed the way we voted? Have they criticised cutting short money? Did they speak out against dead-cat policy? The only way the UK is the strongest in teh world is our levels of soft-power but leaving such a recognised group may weaken us in that department.
It's not a a referendum we needed at this time (what we needed was some serious debate and focus on the underlying frustration) as we haven't really tried to reform the EU and thus leaving would see us depart from the party before trying to engage.
Be very clear that "the leave campaign" wont be startin negotiation at all! They will simoly disperse! Not in the first few days of course, but I see chaos reigning and no good news for the stock market and forex markets. Whatever iur political pursuasions, this will have a negative effect on everyone!
Be very clear that "the leave campaign" wont be startin negotiation at all! They will simoly disperse! Not in the first few days of course, but I see chaos reigning and no good news for the stock market and forex markets. Whatever iur political pursuasions, this will have a negative effect on everyone!
It's what its all about really, those who already have, and worrying about what they have, the pretence about being concerned for the poor and migrants is just a load of bollox. EU funded jobs, & lifestyle, 2 cars, posh houses, foreign holidays, index linked pensions, that's what your voting for, don't ever pretend its for the less vulnerable in society, they will not be worried about Four X and the stock market, they will be worried if there any tins of beans in the food bank for them.
Croesy Blue
23-06-16, 08:30
Our economy is inextricably linked to those markets though, if they suffer its a problem for the whole economy and the whole country.
Croesy Blue
23-06-16, 08:50
How would Wales survive otherwise?
If you threaten to leave your Mrs and say you are off to speak with your mates about it - you then come back and tell her you have decided she is worthy of your presence etc - how do you think she will react ? - exactly.
It's not really anything like that, is it?
What is needed regardless of the result is Reform and Change - and the one you wont get is Reform or Change.
If you threaten to leave your Mrs and say you are off to speak with your mates about it - you then come back and tell her you have decided she is worthy of your presence etc - how do you think she will react ? - exactly.
Vote Remain - it's a green light for Juncker to do whatever he wants, just roll over and them them do you up the @rse economically and politically.
I do NOT want to be a benefit hand out citizen of Europe - which is what Wales is - I'd rather stand on my own 2 feet. Unless of course you are happy to live on EU benefit payments - in which stay weak and vote remain
Nearly 500 years of sole union with Westminster made us the poor man of Europe and you want to go back to that?
Westminster doesn't give a shit about Wales, never has, never will.
Colonel Cærdiffi
23-06-16, 10:33
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Nearly 500 years of sole union with Westminster made us the poor man of Europe and you want to go back to that?
Westminster doesn't give a shit about Wales, never has, never will.
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Nearly 500 years of sole union with Westminster made us the poor man of Europe and you want to go back to that?
Westminster doesn't give a shit about Wales, never has, never will.
Most of the money we get from Westminster just goes on the day to day stuff, like healthcare and social care.
Important as that is it is never going to turn the fortunes of Wales around, just preserve the status quo. And whenever any of that money is spent it very quickly trickles out of Wales.
European spending seems to be on transformative infrastructure projects, the kind that can have a long term improvement on the economy . The kind that the uk government spends billions and billions on in London and the South east.
Strip that away and wales will just be left to wither on the vine.
Most of the money we get from Westminster just goes on the day to day stuff, like healthcare and social care.
Important as that is it is never going to turn the fortunes of Wales around, just preserve the status quo. And whenever any of that money is spent it very quickly trickles out of Wales.
European spending seems to be on transformative infrastructure projects, the kind that can have a long term improvement on the economy . The kind that the uk government spends billions and billions on in London and the South east.
Strip that away and wales will just be left to wither on the vine.
Hear, hear.:thumbup:
life on mars
23-06-16, 15:47
I suspect that if we get a Brexit vote, the EU will panic and start some proper negotiations which would lead to a 2nd Referendum.
Yes even the loon Boris has spoken of this
life on mars
23-06-16, 15:49
Hear, hear.:thumbup:
4 billion so far isn't it,imagine any UK government infesting that much into wales,never mind a right wing, who will sweep away workers rights ?
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