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Suggests a very narrow victory for remain.
52-48 or closer.
Either way it isn't going to be that conclusive it seems.
Fair to say that every vote counts.
Llanedeyrnblue
23-06-16, 11:05
When I went to vote it was busy at the polling station looks like for once people are getting off the arses to vote round my way
tigerbaybluebird
23-06-16, 11:12
Remain will smash the out
Bookmark it
Suggests a very narrow victory for remain.
52-48 or closer.
Either way it isn't going to be that conclusive it seems.
Odds for Leave are drifting by the hour. at the moment you can get 15/2 on leave.
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 11:24
Suggests a very narrow victory for remain.
52-48 or closer.
Either way it isn't going to be that conclusive it seems.
RIP Great Britain
Odds for Leave are drifting by the hour. at the moment you can get 15/2 on leave.
What do the bookies know that we don't???
What do the bookies know that we don't???
Its a strange one, i would still say it is too close to call.
However leave is drifting by the hour started the day at 5/1 you can now get 8/1. Remain is 1/12
Its a strange one, i would still say it is too close to call.
However leave is drifting by the hour started the day at 5/1 you can now get 8/1. Remain is 1/12
This is extremely telling imo
This won't be a shift due to money going down. This will be the bookies holding their own exit polls.
Stock markets are up
This won't be close
This is extremely telling imo
This won't be a shift due to money going down. This will be the bookies holding their own exit polls.
Stock markets are up
This won't be close
Possibly going on voter turnout, where more is thought to favour remain. Nobody knows though as this election could be very different to other ones
Possibly going on voter turnout, where more is thought to favour remain. Nobody knows though as this election could be very different to other ones
Its a strange one because it is supposed to be such a tight call.
Its a 50-50% two horse race and the bookies have tied it up like Manchester United playing Wrexham in the FA cup.
During the GE the bookies had the Tories favorite by a margin, while the polls were suggesting a split government.
Why the bookies are doing this, i dont know, but it seems there is money to be made if you fancy the leave vote, or even on a punt.
Possibly going on voter turnout, where more is thought to favour remain. Nobody knows though as this election could be very different to other ones
You think the bookies have remain at 10 or 12 to one ON if they think it will be close?
This won't be close
Remember to use a pencil on your betting slip ßo that you can change it If you don't get the result you want.
Badly Ironed Shirt
23-06-16, 12:23
What do the bookies know that we don't???
FTSE up 1.21% - the pound up 1.17% against the dollar. Up 2.34% against the Yen. Also up 1.18% against the Guatemalan Quetzal.
The markets think it's more or less a conclusive Remain vote. They have more information than the news outlets and the bookies.
Badly Ironed Shirt
23-06-16, 12:26
You think the bookies have remain at 10 or 12 to one ON if they think it will be close?
This won't be close
If it was as close as 52-48, the markets would be down. They're up. They've been moving up all week. The pound has been moving up all week. These people have a lot of data - I'd be betting on a 55-45 win to remain on the market data. I could be wrong completely.
This is extremely telling imo
This won't be a shift due to money going down. This will be the bookies holding their own exit polls.
Stock markets are up
This won't be close
I agree. The GBP is nearly at 1.49 vs USD. The smart money guys have known for about a week that it was all over bar the Faraging.
Badly Ironed Shirt
23-06-16, 12:36
I agree. The GBP is nearly at 1.49 vs USD. The smart money guys have known for about a week that it was all over bar the Faraging.
14 June - FTSE down 2.01%
15 June - up .73%
16 June - down .27%
17 June - up 1.19%
20 June - up 3.04%
21 June - up .36%
22 June - up .56%
today - up 1.14% at the moment. Fallen back a little after earlier being up 1.45%. If the data they had suggested a knife-edge vote, the markets would have lost the gains they made last Friday and Monday.
Depends what data the markets have - it could be completely wrong and tomorrow would be messy if they have got it wrong.
Colonel Cærdiffi
23-06-16, 13:12
Word of warning, if we vote Leave today, it means the end of Wales' Euro hopes.
U shud of voted out. I wood of voted out.
London (along with Scotland and Norn Ireland) stronly pro-Remain.
London under water and people with greater priorities than voting..
Brexit sabotage I reckon.
Mrs Steve R
23-06-16, 13:27
I wonder how many have stayed on in France and not voted?
FTSE up 1.21% - the pound up 1.17% against the dollar. Up 2.34% against the Yen. Also up 1.18% against the Guatemalan Quetzal.
The markets think it's more or less a conclusive Remain vote. They have more information than the news outlets and the bookies.
IN YOUR FACE GUATEMALA
Des Parrot
23-06-16, 13:54
I wonder how many have stayed on in France and not voted?
Apparently the whole England team for starters. It's rumoured that they they wouldn't be able to find a box, let alone put a cross into it!
Apparently the whole England team for starters. It's rumoured that they they wouldn't be able to find a box, let alone put a cross into it!
Probably not your joke but still deserving of a :hehe:
When I went to vote it was busy at the polling station looks like for once people are getting off the arses to vote round my way
Why should they all vote your way, shirley they should think for themselves. :hehe:
14 June - FTSE down 2.01%
15 June - up .73%
16 June - down .27%
17 June - up 1.19%
20 June - up 3.04%
21 June - up .36%
22 June - up .56%
today - up 1.14% at the moment. Fallen back a little after earlier being up 1.45%. If the data they had suggested a knife-edge vote, the markets would have lost the gains they made last Friday and Monday.
Depends what data the markets have - it could be completely wrong and tomorrow would be messy if they have got it wrong.
FTSE is an indicator but cable is the best. There's less going on with it than pure speculation most of the time. I actually think the GBP is a little overvalued now and it will fall back tomorrow slightly.
Tall Midget
23-06-16, 16:44
Mrs Midget been doing exit poll for pollsters in a local A-C1 area and says the 'Remains' have it by some distance there.
'Course Barry will be a different story......:-)
Mrs Steve R
23-06-16, 16:46
Mrs Midget been doing exit poll for pollsters in a local A-C1 area and says the 'Remains' have it by some distance there.
'Course Barry will be a different story......:-)
:hehe: I've been waiting for you, I have a mission for you.
Tall Midget
23-06-16, 17:05
:hehe: I've been waiting for you, I have a mission for you.
Impossible :-)
Mrs Steve R
23-06-16, 17:33
Impossible :-)
Not for you. :wink:
:cheerleader::cheerleader:
Tall Midget
23-06-16, 17:42
Not for you.
If the mission is to save Steve from his demons, I'm very busy at the mo....
Mrs Steve R
23-06-16, 17:47
If the mission is to save Steve from his demons, I'm very busy at the mo....
:hehe:
Mad as a fish
23-06-16, 18:24
It is beyond me how anyone can know anything regarding the result it is a secret ballot FFS, and I was asked what I had voted by a local rag and simply told em a porky anyway. I really dont think there will be much in it personally. we will know in the morning.
Taunton Blue Genie
23-06-16, 19:56
I have always thought that 'In' will have 65% plus.
Apparently the whole England team for starters. It's rumoured that they they wouldn't be able to find a box, let alone put a cross into it!
da-boom-tisssshh :hehe:
I have always thought that 'In' will have 65% plus.
Me too.
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 20:15
I've got a sneaky feeling more people will admit to voting Remain than they will for Brexit, a bit like the secret Tories in the last election.
The bookies think this is all over with Remain at 1/9 and Leave at 11/2. There are a lot of shy Remain voters in my view and a lot of shouty
outers.This may not be as close as most of us thought.
The bookies think this is all over with Remain at 1/9 and Leave at 11/2. There are a lot of shy Remain voters in my view and a lot of shouty
outers.This may not be as close as most of us thought.
not many shy remainers on this board :hehe:
Can we put any kind of store in polls any longer?!
Technology and Communications improve, while somehow polls get wider of the mark ..
Got it very wrong last Election, possibly again here .
Bloody polls. (comin' over 'ere .. takin all our words )
[QUOTE=Packerman;4639163]not many shy remainers on this board :hehe:[/QUO
Well I'm very shy Mr Packerman.
At least we agree on that faux English **** Ian Robertson.:hehe:
Student vote at the school I work at had it 51.5% remain/48.5% leave. Roughly 20% didn't vote.
Same school called a Tory win at the election which was surprising for the area.
Blue in the Face
23-06-16, 21:09
It's close!
Whatever you do, don't be an idiot and forget to vote tomorrow!!
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 21:14
The bookies think this is all over with Remain at 1/9 and Leave at 11/2. There are a lot of shy Remain voters in my view and a lot of shouty
outers.This may not be as close as most of us thought.
Being part of a number of weird Facebook groups, it seems the opposite.
Leave posters are more likely to be quiet, whereas Remain posters are more likely to announce that they're voting against Farage & Boris.
We shall see...
valleys caveman
23-06-16, 21:27
Out will win by 57/43. You heard it here first.
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 21:30
Out will win by 57/43. You heard it here first.
If 'Leave' win, I think it'll be 51-49.
If Remain win it'll be 52-48.
I can't see the divide being that great.
valleys caveman
23-06-16, 21:40
If 'Leave' win, I think it'll be 51-49.
If Remain win it'll be 52-48.
I can't see the divide being that great.
I've not voted myself because I wasn't sure which way I wanted to vote. I heard good and bad from both sides. Judging by what I've heard off various people I've talked to, the vast majority of them have voted to leave.
I've not voted myself because I wasn't sure which way I wanted to vote. I heard good and bad from both sides. Judging by what I've heard off various people I've talked to, the vast majority of them have voted to leave.
Same here..-ish
But I suspect there may be pockets of strong leave support.
Possibly where you are. Possibly where I am. Maybe not Nationally? TBC ..
Tall Midget
23-06-16, 22:24
As posted earlier, Mrs Midget conducted part of a local exit poll. Every fourth person was invited to take part. They entered three answers privately on a computer - M/F; age and vote. Between 07.30 and 14.30, 500 people had used the polling station.
Word on BBC is that some areas are heavily 'remain', others are heavily 'leave'.
Divided Britain.
96% of Gibraltar voted to Remain.
No surprise there.
Except what's the motive of the 4% Leavers?
Newcastle 65404 Remain ; 63598 Leave
50.7%-49.3%
Bloody close.
Suggesting Leave doing better than expectations.
Colonel Cærdiffi
23-06-16, 23:03
Newcastle says remain, 63,598 to 65,404. Bloody close.
Colonel Cærdiffi
23-06-16, 23:03
Aw, bobh
I'm very worried. I don't think will be in the EU in a few hours time.
Newcastle 65404 Remain ; 63598 Leave
50.7%-49.3%
Bloody close.
Suggesting Leave doing better than expectations.
Think Newcastle was expected to be very close
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:07
I'm very worried. I don't think will be in the EU in a few hours time.
Newcastle was apparently meant to be close to 60-40 in favour of Remain...
I read earlier that Remain was meant to be 55-45 ahead until about 3am-4am, and then Brexit constituencies were meant to come in en masse, and hopefully close that gap.
An interesting night ahead!!
Aw, bobh
:hehe::hehe::hehe:
Newcastle just upset the apple cart a bit
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:17
I'm going to have to stay up a bit later :hehe:
severncity
23-06-16, 23:19
Leave take the lead
Sunderland:
51930 Remain
82394 Leave
WOW!!
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:19
Sunderland is Leave!!
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:19
Oh dear :hehe:
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:19
Wow that's an upset!
Michael Morris
23-06-16, 23:20
Sunderland:
51930 Remain
82394 Leave
WOW!!
that's a big result. do you think they thought they were voting to leave Newcastle's shadow?
Colonel Cærdiffi
23-06-16, 23:21
If the vote ends up remain we should kick Sunderland out of Britain.
severncity
23-06-16, 23:24
The people are speaking
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:28
I winder if Boris is regretting his letter :hehe:
Mrs Steve R
23-06-16, 23:29
https://media.giphy.com/media/6Gp9z8MI9c8xO/giphy.gif
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:33
Sterling dying, apparently.
Traders being stung massively as it stands...
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:35
Citigroup, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, IMF, ECB panicking!
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:38
Italy, France, Holland and Denmark on the edge of their seats
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:39
Rothschild's lock themselves in the toilet
I'm very worried. I don't think will be in the EU in a few hours time.
You do realise it doesn't work like that.
The referendum is not the decision, it is simply a gauge of what the people want and to advise the government, it has no binding effects.
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:41
Rothschild's lock themselves in the toilet
The one toilet? That'd be a bit cramped, wouldnt it?
Sunderland were expected to vote out, weren't they?
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:43
Sunderland were expected to vote out, weren't they?
No, the opposite, hence the pound in freefall
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:43
You do realise it doesn't work like that.
The referendum is not the decision, it is simply a gauge of what the people want and to advise the government, it has no binding effects.
We'll be leaving the EU if the people vote that way.
Last year after the Conservatives got in by winning more votes than any other party, there were thousands of people on the streets of London demonstrating.
Just imagine the number calling for Cameron's head if the people voted Leave and he didn't allow it...
severncity
23-06-16, 23:43
Bye Bye EU
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:44
Warickshire heading for landslide
"FEELING" (Non-official)
North Warwickshire VERY HEAVY LEAVE VOTE. >70% or so. !!
A bit of N Ireland 78% remain
WTF is going on?
No, the opposite, hence the pound in freefall
The BBC have been reporting that Sunderland would be voting out all evening, with the margin being the only shock
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:49
Bye Bye EU
Bye bye Cameron, bye bye Corbyn.
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:50
The BBC have been reporting that Sunderland would be voting out all evening, with the margin being the only shock
Please explain the pound falling from a record high.
Please explain the pound falling from a record high.
Money Market traders thought there'd be an easy Remain win, so the pound strengthened.
Big Leave votes are giving them the shits.
Simples.
Swindon:
Remain 51220
Leave61745
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:57
Swindon Leave as expected.
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:57
The BBC have been reporting that Sunderland would be voting out all evening, with the margin being the only shock
OK you're right :thumbup:
Swindon was what was expected. It looks very good for Remain in London but very poor for them in the north.
Please explain the pound falling from a record high.
The Newcastle result
Swindon, Sunderland, Newcastle...
It's like Shithole R'Us
Colonel Cærdiffi
23-06-16, 23:58
Swindon vote leave BUNCH OF RACISTS
Wales-Bales
23-06-16, 23:59
Buy pounds!
This is more tense than the first 30 seconds of the russia match
Ainsley Harriott
23-06-16, 23:59
Broxbourne Leave as expected.
This is more tense than the first 30 seconds of the russia match
It's gonna be a long night!
Colonel Cærdiffi
24-06-16, 00:04
What's taking so long, it's only counting ffs SLADE OUT!
Mrs Steve R
24-06-16, 00:09
It's gonna be a long night!
You staying up?
You staying up?
For a while. This is exciting!
Leave lead by 18000 or so - nothing in 46 million electorate.
severncity
24-06-16, 00:15
Bye bye Cameron, bye bye Corbyn.
Every leader who backed Remain should resign, assuming the vote is to Leave.
The BBC coverage has been incredible. Leanne Wood, Ed Miliband and Maria Eagle all spinning away.
What's taking so long, it's only counting ffs SLADE OUT!
Club's a joke
Is anybody remotely interested in fkin grafs?, the numbers are fine FFS.
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 00:21
Is anybody remotely interested in fkin grafs?, the numbers are fine FFS.
I like the BBC's 'stalks' on a map approach now & again...
S Tyneside 62% LEAVE
North of England want out!
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 00:24
At this stage, I would say it's looking good for the Leave campaign. Comparatively lower voter turnouts in London and Scotland could prove the deciding factor by the morning.
Current total Leave lead 370,000 to 344,000.
Long way to go.
The Labour vote is in the leave camp so far.
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 00:27
That Labour vote is a UKIP vote now.
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 00:31
Part of Northern Ireland (Lagan Valley) votes Leave.
I didn't imagine many parts at all of Northern Ireland would go for Leave.
Beeb just said winning line will be approx 16.4 Million votes. Less than 1 million declared so far.
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 00:40
Yes. And the areas declared are ones that would have been expected to be Leave voters.
But the pattern emerging is noticeably bigger sways towards Brexit than expected.
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 00:42
Hartlepool apparently set to be overwhelminglying Leave according to the BBC correspondent.
Hartlepool apparently set to be overwhelminglying Leave according to the BBC correspondent.
They still think that foreigners look like monkeys, and hang them.
70% -30% Leave vote just announced.
Basildon and Merthyr both vote LEAVE
Merthyr Tydfil voted Leave
Leave seem to have started better than expected
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 00:55
I've thought for a long time that the polls could be off as they were with the last general election. A lot of leave voters I imagine could have wanted to keep their vote private because they don't wanted to be branded as nationalist types.
Current totals 758K Leave, 692K remain.
Nowhere near the 16 Million needed to win.
i'm going for a couple ofhours kip.
Before I go
Blaenau Gwent votes 68% Leave.
Didn't see that coming!
Leave the first over a million votes
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 00:58
A quarter of the people in the City of London want to leave!
severncity
24-06-16, 00:59
Every county in Wales has voted to leave so far. As a Plaid member, I really hope that the Brussels faction in the party see their folly.
Every county in Wales has voted to leave so far. As a Plaid member, I really hope that the Brussels faction in the party see their folly.
Labour & PC are not in touch with their voters, shock!!!!
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 01:03
It's fun watching Laura Kuenssberg trying to appear impartial :hehe:
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 01:04
Swansea vote out.
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 01:08
BBC rumour that Cardiff is populated by traitors :hehe:
Mrs Steve R
24-06-16, 01:10
Worrying times for the Tower of Babel..
Labour & PC are not in touch with their voters, shock!!!!
I'd say Plaid are pretty in touch with their voters
Their heartlands in the West will vote to stay in
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 01:10
A quarter of the people in the City of London want to leave!
City of London is a tiny borough though
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 01:12
Vince Cable saying Lynton Crosby's luck has run out after project fear tactics in Scottish referendum and general election
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 01:12
Worrying times for the Tower of Babel..
I think you might have this Mrs. This trend looking a lot like the general election.
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 01:14
Cameron rehearsing his resignation speech?
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 01:15
This is sooo ****ing tense!!!
Mrs Steve R
24-06-16, 01:15
I think you might have this Mrs. This trend looking a lot like the general election.
Eh? :hehe:
Remain relying on Scotland and London now
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 01:28
Remain relying on Scotland and London now
Scotland and London voter turn out a much lower ratio than the rest of the country. This could be the deciding factor.
Blue in the Face
24-06-16, 01:31
Eh? :hehe:
The polls wrong across the board. Britain is full of closet racists shocker. Blighty wants a shift to the right toward nationalism and away from centralised government.
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 01:33
Every county in Wales has voted to leave so far. As a Plaid member, I really hope that the Brussels faction in the party see their folly.
Swansea, Merthyr, Conwy, Wrexham, Gwent, Anglesey. All Leave.
Swansea, Merthyr, Conwy, Wrexham, Gwent, Anglesey. All Leave.
:yikes:
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 01:35
Remain are winning
Mrs Steve R
24-06-16, 01:46
The polls wrong across the board. Britain is full of closet racists shocker. Blighty wants a shift to the right toward nationalism and away from centralised government.
How does wanting to make our own decisions make people racists? :shrug:
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 01:49
How does wanting to make our own decisions make people racists? :shrug:
YOU HERD THE MAN, YOU ARE RACIST, GO BE RACIST.
#MrsRsaJokeffs
Mrs Steve R
24-06-16, 01:59
YOU HERD THE MAN, YOU ARE RACIST, GO BE RACIST.
#MrsRsaJokeffs
:hehe: It's a weird logic that I do not understand.
Settle an argument, what was your name before you changed it to Ainsley?
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 02:03
Liverpool?
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 02:03
Wales is more 'Leave' than England, Scotland & N. Ireland at the moment.
All of Wales except Ceredigion has voted to leave so far
That's a shock
EadosEados
24-06-16, 02:14
Can't make my mind which coverage is better ITV or BBC
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 02:20
Can't make my mind which coverage is better ITV or BBC
I left the BBC during the news update & went to Sky news...never again.
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 02:20
Hilary Benn thinks we are all thick :shrug:
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 02:28
Scotland is almost all Remain...they're going to be pissed if we leave.
Scottish referendum before the end of 2016?
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 02:34
Proud to be Welsh :wales:
Scotland is almost all Remain...they're going to be pissed if we leave.
Scottish referendum before the end of 2016?
I think so. Anne Widdecombe (leave) was saying she didn't think Scotland would get into the eu if independent so wasn't worried that they'd vote to leave the uk. I think she's missing the point. Scots would rather be away from London and out of Europe than with London and out of Europe.
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 02:49
Wow, Brendon Cox getting hammered for being too political
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/745639982824513536
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 02:54
I think so. Anne Widdecombe (leave) was saying she didn't think Scotland would get into the eu if independent so wasn't worried that they'd vote to leave the uk. I think she's missing the point. Scots would rather be away from London and out of Europe than with London and out of Europe.
This is a conundrum all right.
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 02:59
Jacob Rees-Mogg: "If the EU is the sort of club that, if you want to leave it, you get knee-capped, it's not a club you want to be part of in the first place."
Tusk & Junker set for an interesting speech tomorrow morning...
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 03:01
Jacob Rees-Mogg: "If the EU is the sort of club that, if you want to leave it, you get knee-capped, it's not a club you want to be part of in the first place."
Tusk & Junker set for an interesting speech tomorrow morning...
They'll be more worried about the floodgates opening, there is a queue forming to leave.
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 03:05
Farage thinks he has won for the whole of Europe
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 03:06
They'll be more worried about the floodgates opening, there is a queue forming to leave.
The EU in the coming years seems like it could be an organisation where you either exit via the door, or fall through the floor...can't see Greece lasting much longer.
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 03:12
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00904/178426643__904866c.jpg
Ainsley Harriott
24-06-16, 03:15
They wish...
http://i.imgur.com/PJ8oW5c.jpg
the other bob wilson
24-06-16, 04:26
Just woke up to see a dark, threatening and angry sky overhead - what a metaphor for this country after the Referendum vote!
Alastair campbell just said the people who most led the vote to leave will be hit hardest by what's been done.
I think that's a fair point.
Just got up...
Holy shit!
Just had a glance at a few details, and there's some areas that voted heavily to remain - they're gonna be pissed!
This is one hell of a divided country!
Me too. ^^
Get your bunting back out and celebrate our Independence Day
the other bob wilson
24-06-16, 04:45
It's hardly a day for celebrating and I would have said that if the remain side had won - this country is in a terrible state.
It's hardly a day for celebrating and I would have said that if the remain side had won - this country is in a terrible state.
The last two months of campaigning, the hostility and lies from almost everyone involved - politicians and newspapers especially - has been a low for the UK.
the other bob wilson
24-06-16, 04:53
The last two months of campaigning, the hostility and lies from almost everyone involved - politicians and newspapers especially - has been a low for the UK.
Exactly.
https://sgetdotinfo.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/eu-babel.jpg
This says all you need to know about these loonatics, better off out :thumbup:
Wales-Bales
24-06-16, 05:46
Well that was thrilling if you witnessed it in real time, but surely there has to be a general election? I don't see how Cameron and Osborne can be in charge of any Brexit?
Just one person on the leave side said something along the lines of "we could become a smaller, yes, but more innovative and modernising economy" yet that was the best argument to leave. He isn't even in government.
For all those saying the Valley's have been let down and needs control back, only the EU has consistently supported your area.
For those saying democracy has won, has Boris/Gove/Patel ever voiced support of opening up democracy apart from attacks on the EU?
For those saying it's about immigration, freedom of movement is such a small price to pay next to what we'll swallow in negotiations with China and India without the power of the EU behind us.
There were arguments to leave but not voiced by its main supporters and this is instead largely in reaction to the politics of those championing it loudest.
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