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Wales-Bales
25-06-16, 22:45
Jeremy Corbyn faces a coup this week by members of his shadow cabinet, led by Hilary Benn, the Observer can reveal.
It is understood that the shadow foreign secretary called fellow MPs over the weekend to suggest that he will ask Corbyn to stand down if there is significant support for a move against the leader. He has also asked shadow cabinet colleagues to join him in resigning if the Labour leader ignores that request
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/hilary-benn-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-eu-referendum-brexit
Colonel Cærdiffi
25-06-16, 22:49
Finally get an honest politician and the other politicians want to oust him. Typical.
Finally get an honest politician and the other politicians want to oust him. Typical.
Corbyn (not his politics) is a shower of s**t to be fair. His efforts in the campaign were pathetic and his failure to even address the criticism today were cowardly.
Wales-Bales
25-06-16, 22:57
Finally get an honest politician and the other politicians want to oust him. Typical.
Hilary Benn and Stephen Kinnock involved.
Wales-Bales
25-06-16, 22:58
Corbyn (not his politics) is a shower of s**t to be fair. His efforts in the campaign were pathetic and his failure to even address the criticism today were cowardly.
Maybe he was a secret Brexiter? *wink wink, nudge nudge*
Hilary Benn spoke really well that time ( was it with the family tax credit cuts, its late )
he will do well
Finally get an honest politician and the other politicians want to oust him. Typical.
An honest politician who puts principles before power. I may not share his political philosophy, but I believe that what he does is not done for the benefit of Jeremy Corbyn.
Finally get an honest politician and the other politicians want to oust him. Typical.
Yes I agree mate but sad to say Corbyn is no leader. Besides the public bullshit over this. They would far rather vote for serial liars like Johnson because he is a bit of a character.
An honest politician who puts principles before power. I may not share his political philosophy, but I believe that what he does is not done for the benefit of Jeremy Corbyn.
Christ. A first. I agree with you.
Wales-Bales
25-06-16, 23:04
Hilary Benn spoke really well that time ( was it with the family tax credit cuts, its late )
he will do well
It was supporting the bombing of Syria.
I have said it before, Labour with Corbyn as the leader stands very little chance of winning anything
i am 100 % labour but really feel no connection with him as all, nothing, nada, zilch
It was about Bombing Syria.
thats right, that speech he made was really impressive
Wales-Bales
25-06-16, 23:06
They say a week is a long time in politics - now I believe it!
I get the feeling that events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
They say a week is a long time in politics - now I believe it!
I get the feeling that events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
Yeah I agree. I genuinely don't think anyone has a Scoobie about what to do next.
Maybe he was a secret Brexiter? *wink wink, nudge nudge*
I don't think it's very secret.
Yeah I agree. I genuinely don't think anyone has a Scoobie about what to do next.
some do
start a petition seems popular :thumbup:
Hilary Benn sacked from the Shadow Cabinet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539
The phoney war is over!
Colonel Cærdiffi
26-06-16, 00:38
Hilary Benn sacked from the Shadow Cabinet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539
The phoney war is over!
Corbyn strikes quickly and nips the coup in the bud.
Hilary Benn sacked from the Shadow Cabinet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539
The phoney war is over!
just makes Corbyn look like a dead man walking
Oh i will sack anyone who doesnt back me
he should have just taken a leaf out of my book, i would have tied im up in knots, he would have been looking sheepishly at the ground speechless in no time :wave:
Ainsley Harriott
26-06-16, 00:44
Corbyn strikes quickly and nips the coup in the bud.
There's zero chance of Corbyn making it until August. I give him 2 weeks at most.
Colonel Cærdiffi
26-06-16, 00:55
just makes Corbyn look like a dead man walking
Oh i will sack anyone who doesnt back me
he should have just taken a leaf out of my book, i would have tied im up in knots, he would have been looking sheepishly at the ground speechless in no time :wave:
**** me, how many people have to tell you to get a grip before you take the advice?
There's zero chance of Corbyn making it until August. I give him 2 weeks at most.
If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn) :ayatollah:
**** me, how many people have to tell you to get a grip before you take the advice?
:wave: Did i reply with the " i would have tied him up in knots, he would have been looking sheepishly at the ground speechless in no time " before you
Colonel Cærdiffi
26-06-16, 01:08
:wave: Did i reply with the " i would have tied him up in knots, he would have been looking sheepishly at the ground speechless in no time " before you
Yeah, about 50 times, you don't stop saying it. It was weeks ago, let it go and get a grip.
the other bob wilson
26-06-16, 02:07
If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn) :ayatollah:
When have non Labour party members had a chance to vote Corbyn over Cameron in a vote which would have had any relevance to the decision to hold the referendum?
The Labour Party was presumably in favour of staying within the EU. I say "presumably" because, in a period where people from other parties talked about little less but the vote on June 23, it was hard for the ordinary man or woman in the street to find out what Labour wanted people who traditionally voted for them to do.
Corbyn came across as weak and, as a consequence, was an irrelevance in the campaign - worse than that, his party came to be seen as an irrelevance largely because of his lukewarm support for the remain cause. If Corbyn really was the secret leave supporter that some claim he was, then he should have had the courage of his convictions and said so - as it is, I fail to see how his performance could have impressed people in either camp and so he and his party has suffered in a campaign in which they came to be viewed as bystanders.
Under those circumstances, it's easy to see why MPs (a group of people who, largely, are against him being leader anyway) from the remain side are deeply dissatisfied with him. The problem they have is the same one the Conservative party will probably have if they select Boris Johnson as their leader (that is, a parliamentary party that has no great faith in a leader who is wholeheartedly backed by the party membership).
If some Labour MPs are discovering the courage to put their heads above the parapet and risk incurring the wrath of the membership because of Corbyn's mediocre referendum campaign then things are getting very serious in the "people's party" and I reckon sacking his Shadow Foreign Secretary will only make things worse for him. I think Corbyn is in big trouble and, after the way he has performed in recent months, I wouldn't be too bothered if he lost the leadership of the party I still feel I should be supporting in the coming weeks - or maybe that should be days.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 02:15
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/ad_210098471-e1466170201240.jpg?w=748&h=501&crop=1
If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn) :ayatollah:
No you didn't.
thats right, that speech he made was really impressive
So impressive you couldn't remember if it was about Tax credits or bombing Syria. :facepalm:
just makes Corbyn look like a dead man walking
Oh i will sack anyone who doesnt back me
he should have just taken a leaf out of my book, i would have tied im up in knots, he would have been looking sheepishly at the ground speechless in no time :wave:
I think him sacking Benn is appaulling.
He spent years on the back benches deliberateyl and constantly voting against the Labour Whip and said he had a right to do it because it was his political belief. then when someone does it to him he throws his toys out of the pram.
waynekerr55
26-06-16, 06:59
An honest politician who puts principles before power. I may not share his political philosophy, but I believe that what he does is not done for the benefit of Jeremy Corbyn.
Anybody who puts their trust in the venal, vile and stinking hypocrite that is Diane Abbott is someone not to be trusted, IMO
AfricanBluebird
26-06-16, 07:09
While I agree with many of his policies I don't think he is a good leader. He's weak and ineffective and shys away from though HR decisions. His behaviour and lack of leadership during Brexit was a disgrace.
Elwood Blues
26-06-16, 07:37
Corbyn strikes quickly and nips the coup in the bud.
Don't think he has nipped it in the bud.
Heidi Alexander the shadow health secretary has resigned.
First of many methinks
Jimmy the Jock
26-06-16, 09:12
An honest politician who puts principles before power. I may not share his political philosophy, but I believe that what he does is not done for the benefit of Jeremy Corbyn.
He doesn't deliver his point very well . He doesn't come across a born leader . Jeremy Corbyn will never lead this country .
Corbyn (not his politics) is a shower of s**t to be fair. His efforts in the campaign were pathetic and his failure to even address the criticism today were cowardly.
He won the Labour leadership with his honesty, integrity and traditional Labour values. He was positive in the campaign about the EU where is backed his Labour values but wasn't afraid to say where the EU wasn't so great and didn't position himself as one of its main supporters, this honestly represents not only his stance but also a traditional labour stance. The traditional pro-European parties seem to be the Tories and Lid Dems and no one backed the EU like Tim Farron.
The labour supporters previously backed Corbyn values and prevented the revolt from the party (who seem to care about destroying Corbyn, getting into power and fighting for labour policy...in that order) but now the party thinks that labour supporters are generally pro-European and see their chance.
If you are going to be talking about pathetic campaigns then you should look at the negativity and misinformation spouted by Boris, by Cameron by the majority.
I think him sacking Benn is appaulling.
He spent years on the back benches deliberateyl and constantly voting against the Labour Whip and said he had a right to do it because it was his political belief. then when someone does it to him he throws his toys out of the pram.
Is voting against the labour whip the same as encouraging others to mass-resign?
Isn't it funny how Teresa May is being looked at as the next Prime Minister for being mostly absent from the campaign but Corbyn who was honest about the parts he liked, honest about the parts he didn't and ran a quiet but definitely there campaign looks like he might be booted.
They say a week is a long time in politics - now I believe it!
I get the feeling that events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
For what it is worth, I also very much doubt that a Brexit will occur. It looks like what we are seeing now is the long prepared Plan B.
Covering all bases, as usual.
If the British electorate had voted Corbyn instead of Cameron, there would have been no brexit vote this parliament (I voted for Corbyn) :ayatollah:
How did you manage that when Milliband was the Labour leader?
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/ad_210098471-e1466170201240.jpg?w=748&h=501&crop=1
Isn't that a Jo Cox related photo? That's in bad taste if it is IMHO.
He won the Labour leadership with his honesty, integrity and traditional Labour values. He was positive in the campaign about the EU where is backed his Labour values but wasn't afraid to say where the EU wasn't so great and didn't position himself as one of its main supporters, this honestly represents not only his stance but also a traditional labour stance. The traditional pro-European parties seem to be the Tories and Lid Dems and no one backed the EU like Tim Farron.
The labour supporters previously backed Corbyn values and prevented the revolt from the party (who seem to care about destroying Corbyn, getting into power and fighting for labour policy...in that order) but now the party thinks that labour supporters are generally pro-European and see their chance.
If you are going to be talking about pathetic campaigns then you should look at the negativity and misinformation spouted by Boris, by Cameron by the majority.
We're obviously going to disagree on Corbyn's campaigning efficacy. That's fair enough. You seem to be a Labour supporter? Can I ask a question in all politeness (as someone from afar who is sympathetic to core socialist principles)? I don't see how Labour can span the interests of its traditional voters who appear to have voted en masse for Leave and its activists who are clearly very strong Remain supporters. In short it appears f**ked to me.
Finally get an honest politician and the other politicians want to oust him. Typical.
onist ? this is a leader who had very little time for the EU yet pretended to endorse it, his flock saw through him and deserted him.
the other bob wilson
26-06-16, 12:25
Five in total have resigned from the shadow cabinet today now.
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
26-06-16, 12:44
onist ? this is a leader who had very little time for the EU yet pretended to endorse it, his flock saw through him and deserted him.
Not much of a flock though. He came from nowhere to win so didn't really have many allies in the first place but that matters more to MPs than it does to Labour supporters. This looks like another big sulk.
With regard to leadership, we've had more statesmanlike types just recently and they've taken us to an illegal war, a economic crisis, some awful aspects of austerity, a disenfranchised populace and now the possible break-up of the UK. Maybe we should ditch looking for the stereotype.
We're obviously going to disagree on Corbyn's campaigning efficacy. That's fair enough. You seem to be a Labour supporter? Can I ask a question in all politeness (as someone from afar who is sympathetic to core socialist principles)? I don't see how Labour can span the interests of its traditional voters who appear to have voted en masse for Leave and its activists who are clearly very strong Remain supporters. In short it appears f**ked to me.
Corbyn was the only potential leader (as far as I recall) saying in the campaign that Labour had to be a big tent and a broad church, maybe because he had to say it more than most, but all Labour does these days is try to deny that and say "we need a period of relection".
Corbyn's views resonate enough with the party membership to get him elected and if, as I think many suspect, he is not pro-EU then at least part of his views resonates with 52% of voters, but how many Labour politicians or groups have really backed him for at least a week? He probably isn't strong enough to be a prime minister but much of his personality, much of his views should be exactly what Labour are looking for and yet they seem more interested in people like Chuka who dropped out of the leadership campaign and hasn't stopped talking about it since or David Milliband who said nothing when press were accusing his brother of stabbing him in the back only to return drop "they chose the wrong brother" and fly off again. The party seems to want someone who can woo the press more than anything else.
Think it's Peter Hitchens who said that Labour and Tories are like two corpses propping each other up and what we need is both to fall so politicians that represent people's views can thrive but I'm not sure if that's a good thing if it gives people like Boris (who is pro-EU but wanted power and has now got it by blatantly misrepresenting his position and the facts about the EU) or IDS or May or Farage etc. more power. We do need two party politics to fall but that would just be the start of political reform, something that was really needed before deciding whether the EU can match us or not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3660282/Boston-Lincolngrad-saw-seething-resentment-time-finish-revolution-says-PETER-HITCHENS.html
A big thing in this referendum and the Scottish one before is how people are sick of London-centric politics where everyone sounds and thinks pretty much the same. It doesn't make for a representative house and people feel as if you can no longer speak about real concerns without being accused of being something or other.
Gofer Blue
26-06-16, 13:01
I think Corbyn is basically an honourable and decent man but as Hilary Benn said this morning he is simply not a leader. The latter had the courage to tell him so and got sacked, which of course is what he expected to happen! Benn certainly appears to more statesman-like than Corbyn and would make a respected leader I think, although he said that he will not be standing as a candidate.
Think it's Peter Hitchens who said that Labour and Tories are like two corpses propping each other up and what we need is both to fall so politicians that represent people's views can thrive but I'm not sure if that's a good thing if it gives people like Boris (who is pro-EU but wanted power and has now got it by blatantly misrepresenting his position and the facts about the EU) or IDS or May or Farage etc. more power. We do need two party politics to fall but that would just be the start of political reform, something that was really needed before deciding whether the EU can match us or not.
Good post. Ta.
I have never been a fan of Peter Hitchens but, if he said this, he is spot on.
Maybe the SDP was 30 years too soon? A new centre-left party might encompass the Liberals, Greens, parts of Labour and even some one-nation Tories?
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 13:35
Covering all bases, as usual.
Doubting that the Brexit will ever take place is hardly covering all bases, especially when the politicians themselves are saying it will happen!
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 13:48
Isn't that a Jo Cox related photo? That's in bad taste if it is IMHO.
It's the only photo I could find that shows all three politicians who have suddenly found their careers in turmoil, and it's the most recent one emphasizing that a week in politics is a very long time! You seem to be one of the new breed of PC do-gooders, are you one of them?
I think Corbyn is basically an honourable and decent man but as Hilary Benn said this morning he is simply not a leader. The latter had the courage to tell him so and got sacked, which of course is what he expected to happen! Benn certainly appears to more statesman-like than Corbyn and would make a respected leader I think, although he said that he will not be standing as a candidate.
Labour have very few strong politicians these days.It saddens me to say this but the Tories have far more articulate debaters than Labour have at the moment. It is a very big problem.
Corbyn who voted agaisnt the eec , Masstright and Lisbon treaties - he has always been a Leave supporter, Pathetic attempts at Remain campaigning. If he could have mobilised his support - Remain would have won - but he didnt.
If lanour cant support it's voters how the hell would the Tories been able to do it.
Failure on all sides here - and Corbyn will be gone within a week, unless he wants a shadow cabinet office of 2.
Tom Watson will be the stand in leader and new leader when it happens - probably at the Labour party conference.
At least then the electorate have the chance to pick a fresh politician.
should be a general election in Nov. Watson , the SNP and Lib Dems should stand on a 1 policy ticket - Go back into the EU - if they get enough of the vote - they can one a short term Govt - and vote out the referendum result.
The problem being they then have to go cap in hand to Brussels - more problems there.
No easy answers to easy questions
Will there be a General Election in November? I'm not so sure. The Tories love being in power and if they felt the new Labour leader was a threat they would not want to risk an election. We are going to have an interesting few months. Labour are in real trouble though. The rise of nationalism in Scotland and now England could all but destroy them.
Doubting that the Brexit will ever take place is hardly covering all bases, especially when the politicians themselves are saying it will happen!
Just intrigued at how it is possible that we're seeing a long prepared plan going into action while events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
Btw thanks for editing the original post where you called me a tit, I feel loved now. :hehe:
It's the only photo I could find that shows all three politicians who have suddenly found their careers in turmoil, and it's the most recent one emphasizing that a week in politics is a very long time! You seem to be one of the new breed of PC do-gooders, are you one of them?
How would you feel if it was a member of your close family?
Will there be a General Election in November? I'm not so sure. The Tories love being in power and if they felt the new Labour leader was a threat they would not want to risk an election. We are going to have an interesting few months. Labour are in real trouble though. The rise of nationalism in Scotland and now England could all but destroy them.
Cannot see a General Election this year. There is everything for the Tories to lose and not much to gain.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 14:02
Just intrigued at how it is possible that we're seeing a long prepared plan going into action while events are fast getting ahead of everybody.
Btw thanks for editing the original post where you called me a tit, I feel loved now. :hehe:
Events getting ahead of everybody refers to the general fluid situation now evolving, while any plan to botch the Brexit will only involve a very small number of insiders, who incidentally will take advantage of the situation now unfolding.
Interesting to see some reaction on BBC website from non-coup Labour MPs who are not part of Corbyn's close circle - alongside the pro-Corbyn petition from (mainly) grass root Labour members and supporters that is creeping up to 300,000 names:
Andy Burnham:
Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp
At an uncertain time like this for our country, I cannot see how it makes sense for the Opposition to plunge itself into a civil war. 1/3
Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp
I have never taken part in a coup against any Leader of the Labour Party and I am not going to start now. 2/3
Andy Burnham ✔ @andyburnhammp
It is for our members to decide who leads our Party & 10 months ago they gave Jeremy Corbyn a resounding mandate. I respect that & them. 3/3
Paul Flynn:
Labour MP Paul Flynn has accused shadow cabinet members of "playing party games" while jobs are in peril.
"We should all be working to shore up the Post Brexit collapsing confidence in future jobs, Steel jobs and jobs in other companies like Airbus Newport are in new peril," he wrote on his blog.
"Progress has been made recently in building up a case to retain steel jobs in the UK. We want strong statements from all parties that UK and EU cooperation will continue. Already some jobs are haemorrhaging out of the country.
"It's a disgrace that political parties are playing self-indulgent games with orchestrated resignations on the hour as part of an organised treachery."
Jon Trickett:
Shadow secretary of state for communities Jon Trickett says Labour needs to get on and represent a different vision for Britain from the Conservatives, after the referendum result.
Asked about shadow cabinet resignations, he says: "There's a lot to do, Jeremy will focus on that."
"The government's falling apart, they don't have a vision for Europe," he said. "The Labour party must focus on the future."
And he defended Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, saying he's a "decent" man, not an "alpha" man, but the country wants something different.
Also very revealing comment from pro-Leave Tory MP:
Faisal Islam ✔ @faisalislam
Conservative Leave MP, Boris backer: "there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one"
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 14:05
How would you feel if it was a member of your close family?
I feel most uncomfortable that you have just liked the post above about two dead corpses, when that poor MP hasn't even be buried yet. How insensitive of you.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 14:12
Also very revealing comment from pro-Leave Tory MP:
Faisal Islam ✔ @faisalislam
Conservative Leave MP, Boris backer: "there is no plan. Leave campaign don't have a post Brexit plan, Number 10 should have had one"
As mentioned elsewhere, Cameron has cynically destroyed the careers of the Brexit Tories. They have no way out!
llan bluebird
26-06-16, 15:37
Labour have been in a mess for some time. The Gordon Brown off mic comment about just another bigoted old lady just summed up what the progressive liberalism side really think of their "core vote". The problem is their core vote has sussed them out and deserted them. In Scotland they have the SNP but in Wales Plaid are so weak UKIP is surprisingly the answer!
The labour central office inserted the same new labour London/metropolitan type into constituencies all over the country for the last 20 years, where they do not understand the local people or issues and now it has come home to roost. The next election will be a blood bath for labour whoever is leader. IMO they need a state schooled, preferably female who lives and got brought up outside London.
The Tories caused this issue but will come out relatively unscathed, losing Dave and Gideon is a bonus for them.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 15:49
Labour have been in a mess for some time. The Gordon Brown off mic comment about just another bigoted old lady just summed up what the progressive liberalism side really think of their "core vote". The problem is their core vote has sussed them out and deserted them. In Scotland they have the SNP but in Wales Plaid are so weak UKIP is surprisingly the answer!
The labour central office inserted the same new labour London/metropolitan type into constituencies all over the country for the last 20 years, where they do not understand the local people or issues and now it has come home to roost. The next election will be a blood bath for labour whoever is leader. IMO they need a state schooled, preferably female who lives and got brought up outside London.
The Tories caused this issue but will come out relatively unscathed, losing Dave and Gideon is a bonus for them.
With the quiet Remain supporter Theresa May becoming PM and saving the day by reversing the Brexit?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu
I feel most uncomfortable that you have just liked the post above about two dead corpses, when that poor MP hasn't even be buried yet. How insensitive of you.
No idea what that means. Let's just drop it. It's up to you what you post.
Labour have been in a mess for some time. The Gordon Brown off mic comment about just another bigoted old lady just summed up what the progressive liberalism side really think of their "core vote". The problem is their core vote has sussed them out and deserted them. In Scotland they have the SNP but in Wales Plaid are so weak UKIP is surprisingly the answer!
The labour central office inserted the same new labour London/metropolitan type into constituencies all over the country for the last 20 years, where they do not understand the local people or issues and now it has come home to roost. The next election will be a blood bath for labour whoever is leader. IMO they need a state schooled, preferably female who lives and got brought up outside London.
The Tories caused this issue but will come out relatively unscathed, losing Dave and Gideon is a bonus for them.
Whilst I might disagree with them, it's blindingly obvious that a large number of people in the UK are concerned with mass net migration. Nobody is actually connecting with this group - left, right or centre. Even UKIP are just sloganeer populists and offer no solutions.
Labour is absolutely f**ked over this. The Tories Achilles heal is still the EU. The majority of Tory MPs disagree with Leave. I see a Tory schism too if they're not careful.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 16:05
No idea what that means. Let's just drop it. It's up to you what you post.
Well obviously you are very selective about when you play your PC cards if you take issue with a photograph of politicians performing their public duties, and ignoring the political aspect of the whole situation.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 16:06
With the quiet Remain supporter Theresa May becoming PM and saving the day by reversing the Brexit?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu
This is the below-the-line comment mentioned in the above article
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If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 17:56
It's nine now.
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 17:59
Make that 10
Now 11 (if you count Karl Turner the shadow Attorney General - not strictly a shadow cabinet member but counted as a resignee by the BBC).
The latest to announce his resignation in this choreographed ambush is Chris Bryant - professional tosser.
I was looking at the mug shots of the shadow cabinet earlier and had a side bet with herself that Bryant would be on the list before the end of the day - he'd be watching the clock waiting for the pre-arranged time for him to go public.
Whatever peoples' judgement on Corbyn the way this coup has been organised, with hourly resignations (thinking that it would ramp up the tension and the pressure?), has been childish. They've had months to plan this - and they end up handing the dignity card to their enemy.
It's a disgrace. These are labour politicians who - in the period where the Chancellor has gone missing, prime minister has resigned, probable future Tory leader is being booed outside his own house and there is no plan coming out of number 10 - would rather attack their own leader than unite for the sake of their own party and the huge numbers worried about the future.
And what has Corbyn done wrong? He apparently wasn't prominent enough in the EU campaign, which really means he was honest about the positives and negatives of the EU rather than get involved in the mass misinformation and scare tactics.
Colonel Cærdiffi
26-06-16, 21:40
It's a disgrace. These are labour politicians who - in the period where the Chancellor has gone missing, prime minister has resigned, probable future Tory leader is being booed outside his own house and there is no plan coming out of number 10 - would rather attack their own leader than unite for the sake of their own party and the huge numbers worried about the future.
And what has Corbyn done wrong? He apparently wasn't prominent enough in the EU campaign, which really means he was honest about the positives and negatives of the EU rather than get involved in the mass misinformation and scare tactics.
Spot ****ing on
Wales-Bales
26-06-16, 21:49
It's a disgrace. These are labour politicians who - in the period where the Chancellor has gone missing, prime minister has resigned, probable future Tory leader is being booed outside his own house and there is no plan coming out of number 10 - would rather attack their own leader than unite for the sake of their own party and the huge numbers worried about the future.
And what has Corbyn done wrong? He apparently wasn't prominent enough in the EU campaign, which really means he was honest about the positives and negatives of the EU rather than get involved in the mass misinformation and scare tactics.
It's quite convenient that the Tories are MIA today which allows full media coverage to focus on the Labour resignations.
Corbyn who voted agaisnt the eec , Masstright and Lisbon treaties - he has always been a Leave supporter, Pathetic attempts at Remain campaigning. If he could have mobilised his support - Remain would have won - but he didnt.
If lanour cant support it's voters how the hell would the Tories been able to do it.
Failure on all sides here - and Corbyn will be gone within a week, unless he wants a shadow cabinet office of 2.
Tom Watson will be the stand in leader and new leader when it happens - probably at the Labour party conference.
At least then the electorate have the chance to pick a fresh politician.
should be a general election in Nov. Watson , the SNP and Lib Dems should stand on a 1 policy ticket - Go back into the EU - if they get enough of the vote - they can one a short term Govt - and vote out the referendum result.
The problem being they then have to go cap in hand to Brussels - more problems there.
No easy answers to easy questions
I haven't agreed with most of your recent posts.
But I like this. "Join the EU" as a vote-winner.
The problem is that by then we will be out and having to re-apply from scratch unless someone achieves a hell of a filibuster!
:sherlock:
the other bob wilson
27-06-16, 05:47
It's a disgrace. These are labour politicians who - in the period where the Chancellor has gone missing, prime minister has resigned, probable future Tory leader is being booed outside his own house and there is no plan coming out of number 10 - would rather attack their own leader than unite for the sake of their own party and the huge numbers worried about the future.
And what has Corbyn done wrong? He apparently wasn't prominent enough in the EU campaign, which really means he was honest about the positives and negatives of the EU rather than get involved in the mass misinformation and scare tactics.
I agree with the sentiment behind what you say and I genuinely wanted Jeremy Corbyn to be the man who could help provide the in touch, competent and electable left of centre opposition that this country desperately needs. However, although I don't like the fact that the attempt to unseat him is so obviously a pre-planned excercise, the fact of it is that when I see Hilary Benn saying Corbyn is a good bloke, but no leader, I have to agree with him. It's not just that he didn't come across at all as the sort of strong leader Labour and the country needed in the referendum campaign, he's not done it in the last nine or ten months either.
I agree with the sentiment behind what you say and I genuinely wanted Jeremy Corbyn to be the man who could help provide the in touch, competent and electable left of centre opposition that this country desperately needs. However, although I don't like the fact that the attempt to unseat him is so obviously a pre-planned excercise, the fact of it is that when I see Hilary Benn saying Corbyn is a good bloke, but no leader, I have to agree with him. It's not just that he didn't come across at all as the sort of strong leader Labour and the country needed in the referendum campaign, he's not done it in the last nine or ten months either.
Corbyn may not be a Prime Minister in waiting but he's leading a party with many MP's who never backed him and many MP's who barely backed him and now are taking their chance.
Even if Corbyn leaving is the right thing to do then can anyone tell me how tweeting your resignation letter is?
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 17:11
I think Corbyn is secretly enjoying this. He wanted shot of the Blairites, but didn't want to be the one who pushed the button. Any bets on a lot of deselections come the next general election if the Blairites don't win this battle?
I think Corbyn is secretly enjoying this. He wanted shot of the Blairites, but didn't want to be the one who pushed the button. Any bets on a lot of deselections come the next general election if the Blairites don't win this battle?
Corbyn was the one saying during the leadership race that Labour needed to be a broad church. Labour won't get into power while Blairites are refusing to work with a Corbyn and Labour won't get my vote while it's ran exclusively for Blairites.
Skinner (leave) shook Corbyn (officially remain) by the hand while supposedly pro-EU Labour members have tried to oust him, this all being while there is a facebook post about Corbyn only convincing 1% fewer of his parties support to vote remain compared to Sturgeon.
So impressive you couldn't remember if it was about Tax credits or bombing Syria. :facepalm:
to be fair, it had been a long day, it was late, i had been up since 5am, i had also had a few kopparberg's aswell
I didnt remember the specifics of the speech, but remember he speaking well and it stood out ( most politicians speech's are fairly forgettable for me )
What a shambles Labour are. This Tory Government has been disastrous. Labour are in a position to snash them. Instead they fight amongst themselves. Pathetic.
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 17:47
What a shambles Labour are. This Tory Government has been disastrous. Labour are in a position to snash them. Instead they fight amongst themselves. Pathetic.
Democracy is dead (if it ever lived!), it is all about self-interest. The plebs are merely an annoyance.
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 18:21
Some views from Paul Mason
Below
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 18:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8bURuFg0Q
I think Corbyn is secretly enjoying this. He wanted shot of the Blairites, but didn't want to be the one who pushed the button. Any bets on a lot of deselections come the next general election if the Blairites don't win this battle?
Jo Cox was on Momentums shitlist
life on mars
27-06-16, 18:39
Hilary Benn and Stephen Kinnock involved.
Both credible politicians
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 18:50
Jo Cox was on Momentums shitlist
I'd almost forgotten about her, she hasn't been mentioned since the polls closed on Thursday. Even her husband has given it a break.
valley boy
27-06-16, 18:57
Why he just doesnt go is beyond me.He has done and will do more damage to Labour than ever before its all doom.Who would vote for him if his MPs dont back him.What a muppett
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 19:05
Why he just doesnt go is beyond me.He has done and will do more damage to Labour than ever before its all doom.Who would vote for him if his MPs dont back him.What a muppett
Paul Mason seems to be an informed person, I though he had some interesting things to say in the piece above. He has also been calling for 100 new Labour MP's representative of real people.
I'd almost forgotten about her, she hasn't been mentioned since the polls closed on Thursday. Even her husband has given it a break.
If remain had won mps' would have been fighting each other to lay the victory at her 'sacrifice',as it is she's yesterdays chip wrapper.i wonder if the husband or sister will stand in her place?
Paul Mason seems to be an informed person, I though he had some interesting things to say in the piece above. He has also been calling for 100 new Labour MP's representative of real people.
Yes that isn't such a bad idea. The current lot are a disgrace.
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 19:56
Yes that isn't such a bad idea. The current lot are a disgrace.
Mason also said the banks/neo-cons are behind the Blairites, and are scared that Corbyn could win and want him out. In another interesting observation, he said the market chaos is not because of us leaving, it's because they know that what is left of the EU is a busted flush.
Wales-Bales
27-06-16, 19:58
Oops, wrong post.
Mason also said the banks/neo-cons are behind the Blairites, and are scared that Corbyn could win and want him out. In another interesting observation, he said the market chaos is not because of us leaving, it's because they know that what is left of the EU is a busted flush.
Don't forget we have the findings from the Chilcot Equiry and Corbyn is gunning for Blair so the Blairites are trying to destroy Corbyn.
I have just looked at the names of the new Shadow Cabinet ministers and I recognise very few names.
Labour do have some good MP's but they are thin on the ground. When somebody as weak as Angela Eagles gets so far up the Labour party it makes you appreciate how poor they are these days.
I hadn't realised Jo Cox's area (Kirklees) had voted to leave. Wasn't she campaigning for remain?
Ainsley Harriott
27-06-16, 23:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8bURuFg0Q
Is there any chance we're ever going to see the official figures of the 'low turnout' of "35% to 45%" of young people who voted?
Wales-Bales
28-06-16, 15:03
The cavalry are on the way :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtUQSR-ssPE
the other bob wilson
28-06-16, 15:52
Corbyn loses vote of confidence 172 to 40 with 4 abstentions.
cityviking
28-06-16, 15:55
Corbyn loses vote of confidence 172 to 40 with 4 abstentions.
deselect the 176 scumbags.
Wales-Bales
28-06-16, 16:10
Corbyn loses vote of confidence 172 to 40 with 4 abstentions.
Looks like the bankers are making their move.
Wales-Bales
28-06-16, 16:26
It appears that this overthrow is an old plot that was supposed to be implemented after the local elections in May, but Corbyn did rather better than they expected.
The late MP Jo Cox seems to have jumped ahead of herself according to this tweet on 7 May?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch7J7BJWkAAxE7U.jpg
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