Angela Merkel: Blood on her hands

[CCFC_Urawa_Reds]

The, now, daily attacks in Europe have me convinced that, even in this day of technology and modern travel, our island is still a god-send. With stricter checks and more effort needed by terrorists (whom the BBC usually describe as mentally unstable individuals) to reach our shores (rather than slip across borders), we have, thus far, avoided the barrage of attacks that have been inflicted on the European main-land ... and hopefully it will stay that way.

If Angela Merkel and her EU cronies think hundreds of deaths .... or even one death is an acceptable price to pay for their 'freedom of movement' policies (especially including migrants from some of the most volatile and lawless regions on Earth) then she (and her buddies) are either simple-minded politicians with a poor lack of judgement or .. cold, calculated monsters who will stop at nothing to satisfy (and shape the future) with their power-hungry ambitions.

Either way ..... Angela Merkel and her lapdogs have serious blood on their hands !!!!

[Rjk]

Had she turned away people in dire need she would have blood on her hands.

[Blue in the Face]

Had she turned away people in dire need she would have blood on her hands.

This.

Nothing said in the OP that hasn't been itterated in the other anti Merkel ten pager.

There's no way to measure how things would be different had Germany not offered the needed help that it did. In my view things would have been worse. The refugees would have made their way to Europe anyway.

The systemic way in which the German government has offered asylum means that personel entering are properly logged, housed, directed where they are to live and work. It's a points based system that works on two different levels (one judged on a 3 year basis with the freedom to move and the more frequently dished out 1 year allowance in which there is no freedom to move and work outside the area you have been designated).

The system which the Germans have in place is a 1000% more sensible that having to integrating system at all. Also the fall out from Europe displaying no compassion at all is unimaginable.

There's a lot of people posting on this board who know Jack **** about this subject of Syrians in Germany. I wonder how many of you experts have been to Germany since the crisis began? And how many refugees have you engaged with?

[TH63]

I wonder if the OP could enlighten us all about how many of the recent atrocities were committed by recent immigrants from Syria?

[TH63]

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[CCFC_Urawa_Reds]

"The systemic way in which the German government has offered asylum means that personel entering are properly logged, housed, directed where they are to live and work. It's a points based system that works on two different levels (one judged on a 3 year basis with the freedom to move and the more frequently dished out 1 year allowance in which there is no freedom to move and work outside the area you have been designated). "

In theory that sounds wonderful, doesn't it ?! However, we all know there is absolutely no way they are able to monitor/control this.

Have a gander on youTube at the gratitude being shown to host communities (say in parts of Holland/Germany) ..... it's not something you would describe as 'heart-warming'. I'm not even suggesting a loaded text in favour or against. Type in something like "Immigrants in Holland"

[Blue in the Face]

In theory that sounds wonderful, doesn't it ?! However, we all know there is absolutely no way they are able to monitor/control this.

Have a gander on youTube at the gratitude being shown to host communities (say in parts of Holland/Germany) ..... it's not something you would describe as 'heart-warming'. I'm not even suggesting a loaded text in favour or against. Type in something like "Immigrants in Holland"

Of course there is no way to control this. But most Refugees have now been incentivised to work hard and integrate rather than left homeless, hopeless and in Europe anyway.

I have met plenty of refugees myself. I don't need my reality filtered by a filmmaker I don't know. No doubt there are endless stories that would show refugees in a bad light.

But how would no accommodation at all be a better scenario than what Merkel put in place?

[life on mars]

I think she's a decent person who did the right thing , I remember folk slagging off Aussie many years ago for turning boat loads of people.

The nasty comments should be aimed at the filth that deliver these attacks, not those who try make the world a better place.

[CCFC_Urawa_Reds]

"The nasty comments should be aimed at the filth that deliver these attacks, not those who try make the world a better place."

Fair comment, but i'm not sure she is. There's also the issue of flooding the market with cheap labour to lower wages.
I'm not convinced that many politicians want to better the lives of others from the goodness of their hearts.

[Barry Shitpeas]

The recent attacks have been carried out by people that have been in Germany for much longer than the recent influx of refugees. By opening the door to so many people in desperate need, it has demonstrated that Germany is not anti Muslim. The million or so that now reside there, almost all of whom will be peace loving, moderate individuals will be a huge benefit to the country long term.

[dandywarhol]

"The nasty comments should be aimed at the filth that deliver these attacks, not those who try make the world a better place."

Fair comment, but i'm not sure she is. There's also the issue of flooding the market with cheap labour to lower wages.
I'm not convinced that many politicians want to better the lives of others from the goodness of their hearts.

bring back internment

[surge]

What is the alternative? We cannot turn our backs on those vulnerable and we should not treat those vulnerable as criminals just for being so, especially children. Considering that one of the attacks was committed by a German (a German/Iranian) then a little odd to focus on seeking refuge.

[City123]

This.

Nothing said in the OP that hasn't been itterated in the other anti Merkel ten pager.

There's no way to measure how things would be different had Germany not offered the needed help that it did. In my view things would have been worse. The refugees would have made their way to Europe anyway.

The systemic way in which the German government has offered asylum means that personel entering are properly logged, housed, directed where they are to live and work. It's a points based system that works on two different levels (one judged on a 3 year basis with the freedom to move and the more frequently dished out 1 year allowance in which there is no freedom to move and work outside the area you have been designated).

The system which the Germans have in place is a 1000% more sensible that having to integrating system at all. Also the fall out from Europe displaying no compassion at all is unimaginable.

There's a lot of people posting on this board who know Jack **** about this subject of Syrians in Germany. I wonder how many of you experts have been to Germany since the crisis began? And how many refugees have you engaged with?
Unfortunately you could say that for the majority of the UK on any range of subjects

[goslow]

This.

Nothing said in the OP that hasn't been itterated in the other anti Merkel ten pager.

There's no way to measure how things would be different had Germany not offered the needed help that it did. In my view things would have been worse. The refugees would have made their way to Europe anyway.

The systemic way in which the German government has offered asylum means that personel entering are properly logged, housed, directed where they are to live and work. It's a points based system that works on two different levels (one judged on a 3 year basis with the freedom to move and the more frequently dished out 1 year allowance in which there is no freedom to move and work outside the area you have been designated).

The system which the Germans have in place is a 1000% more sensible that having to integrating system at all. Also the fall out from Europe displaying no compassion at all is unimaginable.

There's a lot of people posting on this board who know Jack **** about this subject of Syrians in Germany. I wonder how many of you experts have been to Germany since the crisis began? And how many refugees have you engaged with?

Not to worry they've only lost 13%

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12174803/Germany-admits-130000-asylum-seekers-lost-raising-fears-over-crime-and-terrorism.html

[goslow]

Don't forget not one of those migrats was fleeing a dangerous country.

[Bluebird since 1948]

Merkel did the right thing, by inviting half of the middle east to Germany it allowed us to take a back seat and take in minimal numbers. I thank her for that, we should be pleased in Britain that she took the bulk of the migrants not angry with her.

[Blue in the Face]

Don't forget not one of those migrats was fleeing a dangerous country.

Your views are a mirror image of the radical freaks causing trauma all over Europe. Your hate is as inward as it is outward.

[TruBlue]

Merkel can't be blamed for doing the decent thing, but it does appear (from the outside) to be hurting them.

Although it was only a few years ago she was claiming multiculturalism didn't work, it's hard to know her real feeling.

[Blue in the Face]

Merkel can't be blamed for doing the decent thing, but it does appear (from the outside) to be hurting them.

Although it was only a few years ago she was claiming multiculturalism didn't work, it's hard to know her real feeling.

Yes, you're right about her "multiculturalism doesn't work" quote. She said ghat last year though she may have said that on other occasions too I'm not sure. She may well believe this. But she also has to appease her party and she's getting hit from all sides.

[goslow]

Who would have thought that inviting hundreds of thousands of poorly educated,sexually repressed followers of a backward religion could go wrong?
This weeks cultural misunderstanding.


Bremen police have admitted that they have at least 24 alleged sexual assault investigations open following a cultural festival where women say they were sexually harassed by young migrant men.
“Breminale” is a multi-day festival in the city of Bremen designed to celebrate the different cultures in the city. Police have revealed that some have used the festival as an excuse to harass and sexually assault at least 24 young German girls. The perpetrators are all said to be asylum seekers and authorities say they currently have 5 suspects, all Afghan nationals aged 17-18. The migrants are said to have committed the crimes in broad daylight, reports German broadcaster ARD.

The main incident occurred at a concert of punk band “Alltag” at around 3:05pm. The sexual harassment was so brazen and obvious to the crowd and the band that the band even stopped playing music in order to tell the migrants to stop groping and attacking the young girls at the concert.

Two of the victims of the attack came froward to German media to give their side of the ordeal. The pair of teens aged 17 and 18 claimed they were groped with one saying: ” I was pinched right on the chest.” The other girl claimed that the sex attackers were widespread among the crowd: “I would say definitely more than half of the women who were at this show and stood toward the far front, were touched by these types. I would say definitely 30 women.”

Harald Lührs, head of the Bremen Police Commissariat for sexual offences, said that the phenomena, known in the Arab world as “taharrush,” is totally new to them. ” We have not had groups of women deliberately surrounded in Bremen. There has never been sexual touching on this scale. This is a new problem for the police to deal with,” Mr. Lührs said.

Expert on Islamism, Ahmad Mansour, blamed the attacks on cultural differences between the Islamic world and western Europe noting that: “These are not isolated cases. These are people who come from certain cultural backgrounds who have enjoyed certain educational methods, with patriarchal structures which certain religious understandings bring favour to, and that has to be mentioned.”

Mr. Mansour himself is an ex-Islamist who warned earlier this year that young Muslim migrants’ cultural differences could be much more pronounced than the German government could have expected at the start of the migrant crisis. Both migrants and German-born Muslims are more prone to radicalisation according to Mr. Mansour who refers to the teens as “Generation Allah”.

The festival attack is the latest mass sex attack that has occurred at a European music or folk festival in Europe. Earlier this month in Sweden a similar mass sex attack occurred and 40 young women reported being assaulted. Only days ago another music festival was targeted, not for sex attacks but by a Syrian migrant who attempted to target festival goers in a suicide attack, but was turned away and ended up killing himself in the detonation, injuring 12 others.


And the doctors and engineers in Calais have got stabby again,one dead and six seriously injured.

[Eric Cartman]

Are we allowed to ask where that was copy pasted from?

[Barry Dragon]

I wonder if the OP could enlighten us all about how many of the recent atrocities were committed by recent immigrants from Syria?

What has syria got to do with what he said? Did you read what he typed?

Not just syria that have been encouraged, all of africa, lots of the middle east.

[itkman]

Are we allowed to ask where that was copy pasted from?

Breitbart. Say no more.

[TH63]

Who would have thought that inviting hundreds of thousands of poorly educated,sexually repressed followers of a backward religion could go wrong?
This weeks cultural misunderstanding.


Bremen police have admitted that they have at least 24 alleged sexual assault investigations open following a cultural festival where women say they were sexually harassed by young migrant men.
“Breminale” is a multi-day festival in the city of Bremen designed to celebrate the different cultures in the city. Police have revealed that some have used the festival as an excuse to harass and sexually assault at least 24 young German girls. The perpetrators are all said to be asylum seekers and authorities say they currently have 5 suspects, all Afghan nationals aged 17-18. The migrants are said to have committed the crimes in broad daylight, reports German broadcaster ARD.

The main incident occurred at a concert of punk band “Alltag” at around 3:05pm. The sexual harassment was so brazen and obvious to the crowd and the band that the band even stopped playing music in order to tell the migrants to stop groping and attacking the young girls at the concert.

Two of the victims of the attack came froward to German media to give their side of the ordeal. The pair of teens aged 17 and 18 claimed they were groped with one saying: ” I was pinched right on the chest.” The other girl claimed that the sex attackers were widespread among the crowd: “I would say definitely more than half of the women who were at this show and stood toward the far front, were touched by these types. I would say definitely 30 women.”

Harald Lührs, head of the Bremen Police Commissariat for sexual offences, said that the phenomena, known in the Arab world as “taharrush,” is totally new to them. ” We have not had groups of women deliberately surrounded in Bremen. There has never been sexual touching on this scale. This is a new problem for the police to deal with,” Mr. Lührs said.

Expert on Islamism, Ahmad Mansour, blamed the attacks on cultural differences between the Islamic world and western Europe noting that: “These are not isolated cases. These are people who come from certain cultural backgrounds who have enjoyed certain educational methods, with patriarchal structures which certain religious understandings bring favour to, and that has to be mentioned.”

Mr. Mansour himself is an ex-Islamist who warned earlier this year that young Muslim migrants’ cultural differences could be much more pronounced than the German government could have expected at the start of the migrant crisis. Both migrants and German-born Muslims are more prone to radicalisation according to Mr. Mansour who refers to the teens as “Generation Allah”.

The festival attack is the latest mass sex attack that has occurred at a European music or folk festival in Europe. Earlier this month in Sweden a similar mass sex attack occurred and 40 young women reported being assaulted. Only days ago another music festival was targeted, not for sex attacks but by a Syrian migrant who attempted to target festival goers in a suicide attack, but was turned away and ended up killing himself in the detonation, injuring 12 others.


And the doctors and engineers in Calais have got stabby again,one dead and six seriously injured.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-shams/sexism-isnt-an-arab-cultural-practice_b_9022056.html

[Barry Dragon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-shams/sexism-isnt-an-arab-cultural-practice_b_9022056.html


so now its okay to abuse women, but we cant call out the race card?

[TH63]

so now its okay to abuse women, but we cant call out the race card?

Did I post a link to the wrong article or something?

[jon1959]

so now its okay to abuse women, but we cant call out the race card?


Did I post a link to the wrong article or something?

No you didn't. But the article didn't fit his agenda so he rants against something it didn't say.

[goslow]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-shams/sexism-isnt-an-arab-cultural-practice_b_9022056.html


Thats some proper apologist strawman bullshit.
Firstly say that the term used to describe mass sexual assaults is wrong so the stories cant be believed.
Second reduce the assaults to a bye product of robbery.
Third chuck in a bit of all drunken men are rapists
Fourth chuck in some far right violence as a deflection.

[goslow]

Breitbart. Say no more.


Are you saying the story is false?

[TH63]

Thats some proper apologist strawman bullshit.
Firstly say that the term used to describe mass sexual assaults is wrong so the stories cant be believed.
Second reduce the assaults to a bye product of robbery.
Third chuck in a bit of all drunken men are rapists
Fourth chuck in some far right violence as a deflection.

Funny that.

I read it to read that, contrary to your implication, sexual abuse is no more acceptable in their culture than ours.

[Croesy Blue]

Tbf it does seem strange that it hasn't been picked up by the more main stream news, seems like the sort of thing that would be big news.

[TH63]

Reports of an explosion next to a migration office in Germany.

[Barry Dragon]

Funny that.

I read it to read that, contrary to your implication, sexual abuse is no more acceptable in their culture than ours.

Must be. And read the comments, many disagree with the article from the middle east.

What is not acceptable in their culture is women going out dressing sexy. It is in ours. And their culture does not know how to deal with girls dressed as such, other than treat them like sluts and touch them up. And that is not acceptable.

[Barry Dragon]

Well its all escalating, from what I can tell this is a terror attack against the immigrants this time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-blast-idUSKCN1071X3?il=0

IS someone or something determined to start WW3 in germany again?

[goslow]

Well its all escalating, from what I can tell this is a terror attack against the immigrants this time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-blast-idUSKCN1071X3?il=0

IS someone or something determined to start WW3 in germany again?

Ive read it was aerosol cans in a suitcase.
Arab looking men may have been seen running away

[Croesy Blue]

Closest they've ever been to an aerosol I bet

[goslow]

Closest they've ever been to an aerosol I bet

Now you can look out.

[Croesy Blue]

Now you can look out.

I have no problem saying all terrorists are smelly bastards ;)

[NYCBlue]

Had she turned away people in dire need she would have blood on her hands.

This.

Why don't people think before they post?

[jon1959]

Had she turned away people in dire need she would have blood on her hands.


This.

Why don't people think before they post?

Why do you believe people don't think before they post?

The OP - and the half a dozen other regulars who share most of his views - seem to me to have made very deliberate posts and know exactly what they are saying.

If it was thoughtless or juvenile provocation it could be more easily ignored. But it isn't.

[stan butler]

The, now, daily attacks in Europe have me convinced that, even in this day of technology and modern travel, our island is still a god-send. With stricter checks and more effort needed by terrorists (whom the BBC usually describe as mentally unstable individuals) to reach our shores (rather than slip across borders), we have, thus far, avoided the barrage of attacks that have been inflicted on the European main-land ... and hopefully it will stay that way.

If Angela Merkel and her EU cronies think hundreds of deaths .... or even one death is an acceptable price to pay for their 'freedom of movement' policies (especially including migrants from some of the most volatile and lawless regions on Earth) then she (and her buddies) are either simple-minded politicians with a poor lack of judgement or .. cold, calculated monsters who will stop at nothing to satisfy (and shape the future) with their power-hungry ambitions.

Either way ..... Angela Merkel and her lapdogs have serious blood on their hands !!!!

Just close our borders and allow nobody in unless they have a trade and job offer. Everyone else get lost.

[the leader]

This.

Why don't people think before they post?

I think he did think and the facts are undeniable. The U.K. has not suffered under the hands of terrorists in anything like the way mainland Europe has. The 'big three' in Europe are Britain France and Germany and as such are absolutely at the top of the terrorist hit list.
It is indeed the open border policy that endangers the latter two and the channel that protects the former.
Irrespective of wars, 'debts to refugees' or humanity issues Europe is now a dangerous place and under attack from fundamental Islam.
I'm glad we left the EU. Forget refugees, migrants, economic arguments and think about the safety of our future generations. Work? Pah! There are people who want us DEAD... That is our priority. LIFE ITSELF. Anyone who does not get this has never been in an armed conflict.

[goslow]

I have no problem saying all terrorists are smelly bastards ;)


They may have migrants fleeing to save their b.o.

[CCFC_Urawa_Reds]

Apparently, there was also a swimming pool incident involving youths today in Germany where women were called s**ts and both women and children were spat upon for baring flesh. This is possibly more of a concern as this represents a more sizeable minority - and a step down from the next stage of doing something extreme about their beliefs. These people need to be disciplined or integrated properly to prevent the next stage from occurring. However .......
With regards to multiculturalism being dead in Europe, i've always maintained that ! You don't invite hordes in and then group them together in ghetto areas where negativity and discontent spreads like wildfire. Well done on that Europe, once again.

[jon1959]

So today we have had a suitcase bomb and a 79 year old woman raped in a grave yard by an asylum seeker.

It's ok though - they arent all like that - and there are lots of people on here (you know who you are) that think it's a price worth paying :shrug:

What do you know about the suitcase 'bomb'?

"Up to now, there is no evidence that the suitcase was detonated by explosives," a police statement statement. "At no point were any people in danger."

A spray can in the suitcase may have triggered the explosion, causing the suitcase to burst into flames, police said.

Police said they were looking for a man around 30 years of age and a woman of about 25 who may have owned the suitcase.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/27/explosion-in-germany-near-migration-office/

[goslow]

Apparently, there was also a swimming pool incident involving youths today in Germany where women were called s**ts and both women and children were spat upon for baring flesh. This is possibly more of a concern as this represents a more sizeable minority - and a step down from the next stage of doing something extreme about their beliefs. These people need to be disciplined or integrated properly to prevent the next stage from occurring. However .......
With regards to multiculturalism being dead in Europe, i've always maintained that ! You don't invite hordes in and then group them together in ghetto areas where negativity and discontent spreads like wildfire. Well done on that Europe, once again.

There have been a number of incidents in pools in Germany and Austria ranging from flashing,sexual assault and rape all carried out by MENAs finest doctors and engineers.

[jamieccfc]

Just close our borders and allow nobody in unless they have a trade and job offer. Everyone else get lost.

For me Australia have the best migration control and I don't understand why we don't adopt this in europe

[Eric Cartman]

For me Australia have the best migration control and I don't understand why we don't adopt this in europe

why would you say it is the best?

[jamieccfc]

why would you say it is the best?

Because not any Tom dick or Harry can just walk in there they only want people who can improve the country

[Eric Cartman]

Because not any Tom dick or Harry can just walk in there they only want people who can improve the country

That isn't how Australian people see it.

[CCFC_Urawa_Reds]

Eric ... tis true. Australia also has its problems with immigration ....... although until recently, it was far more successful at building a multi-cultural society than Europe (even taking the posturing, MIGHTY Lebanese in Western Sydney into account)

[Croesy Blue]

For me Australia have the best migration control and I don't understand why we don't adopt this in europe

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/19/even-god-cant-help-you-here-nauru-refugees-describe-a-life-devoid-of-hope

Australia did this, I'd rather have a bomb in my house than back a regime who does this.

[jamieccfc]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/19/even-god-cant-help-you-here-nauru-refugees-describe-a-life-devoid-of-hope

Australia did this, I'd rather have a bomb in my house than back a regime who does this.

So they should've just let them all in?

[ian gibson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrUht5Ny430

[Croesy Blue]

So they should've just let them all in?
There are better alternatives to putting them all in the closest thing you can get to a concentration camp without it being a war crime.

There's a phrase "the path to Aushwitz was paved with indifference" that people are happy to see people mistreated, murdered and treated like garbage as long as they're OK.

You can feel like that about refugees if you want but I'd rather have the minor increased threat of a psychopath than see a whole nation of people suffer and die just because they were born the other side of a man made border to me.

[Croesy Blue]

http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/253/the-middle-of-nowhere

This is an amazing podcast about the island of Nauru, well worth listening to.

[jamieccfc]

There are better alternatives to putting them all in the closest thing you can get to a concentration camp without it being a war crime.

There's a phrase "the path to Aushwitz was paved with indifference" that people are happy to see people mistreated, murdered and treated like garbage as long as they're OK.

You can feel like that about refugees if you want but I'd rather have the minor increased threat of a psychopath than see a whole nation of people suffer and die just because they were born the other side of a man made border to me.
If all these immigrants was willing to live by the law of our lands not by the law or religion of the lands they are trying to leave then I'm all up for letting them in

[Croesy Blue]

But the majority of them are and do.

When people complain about refugees I wonder how they'd react if our country suddenly became a war zone. Would they sit there and take it or would they flee to another safer country?

Would they then be happy to be sent back to where they came from if a minority of people they didn't know who just came from the same place committed a heinous crime?

[Wales-Bales]

If Angela Merkel and her EU cronies think hundreds of deaths .... or even one death is an acceptable price to pay for their 'freedom of movement' policies (especially including migrants from some of the most volatile and lawless regions on Earth) then she (and her buddies) are either simple-minded politicians with a poor lack of judgement or .. cold, calculated monsters who will stop at nothing to satisfy (and shape the future) with their power-hungry ambitions.

Either way ..... Angela Merkel and her lapdogs have serious blood on their hands !!!!
Did Mrs Merkel and her EU cronies also organise these helpful books?

http://news.sky.com/story/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-migrants-10346437

It looks more like planned immigration rather than humanitarian aid. Someone has put a lot of thought into it.

[BlueWales]

This.

Why don't people think before they post?

Because they need a brain to be able to do that.

[Wales-Bales]

Because they need a brain to be able to do that.

The majority of people are incapable of having an original thought without a seed first being planted by the MSM about how and what to think :hehe: