Owen Smith [Archive] - Cardiff City Online

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 11:37

Looking at Owen smiths policies I'm not sure that is a valid comment.
I'd prefer Corbyn to succeed, but I don't think Smith is from the right of the party - just an opportunist

Check out how many of his policies have been directly copied from Jeremy Corbyn's policies, who previously had advanced them or presented them. Corbyn is a conviction politician, not an opportunist, he has principles and is prepared to stick with them without fear or favour, or any regard for his own personal advancement.

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 12:01

I still have a social conscience if that's what you mean.
Would you say people like Owen Jones (not Smith) have a social conscience? we may as well get this out of the way before you leave us again :hehe:

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 12:30

Would you say people like Owen Jones (not Smith) have a social conscience? we may as well get this out of the way before you leave us again :hehe:

Yes Mrs R I do know the difference between the two of them. One is a self-serving slimey little shit, full of his own self-importance while advancing non-problems on an unsuspecting public. The other one wants to be leader of the Labour party.

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 12:36

Would you say people like Owen Jones (not Smith) have a social conscience? we may as well get this out of the way before you leave us again :hehe:

Leave us again? I came on a free transfer from Twitter...

Rjk

01-08-16, 12:38

Check out how many of his policies have been directly copied from Jeremy Corbyn's policies, who previously had advanced them or presented them. Corbyn is a conviction politician, not an opportunist, he has principles and is prepared to stick with them without fear or favour, or any regard for his own personal advancement.

That may be true, but none of it makes Owen Smith a Tory. Which he isnt.

Rjk

01-08-16, 12:40

Yes Mrs R I do know the difference between the two of them. One is a self-serving slimey little shit, full of his own self-importance while advancing non-problems on an unsuspecting public. The other one wants to be leader of the Labour party.

I quite like Owen Jones, I don't always agree with his opinions, but he at least presents them in a relatively sensible(I.e. non-histerical) way.

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 12:40

Yes Mrs R I do know the difference between the two of them. One is a self-serving slimey little shit, full of his own self-importance while advancing non-problems on an unsuspecting public. The other one wants to be leader of the Labour party.
:hehe: I was just checking if we are on the same page.

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 12:46

That may be true, but none of it makes Owen Smith a Tory. Which he isnt.

If he's a socialist, I'm an Olympic sprinter. I would have thought lobbying (that's what Cameron did) on behalf of big pharma to sell off major parts of the NHS, is not the best way to go about trying to establish socialist credentials.

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 12:54

If he's a socialist, I'm an Olympic sprinter. I would have thought lobbying (that's what Cameron did) on behalf of big pharma to sell off major parts of the NHS, is not the best way to go about trying to establish socialist credentials.
Ahh, we are on the same page but sadly different books :hehe:

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 12:59

Ahh, we are on the same page but sadly different books :hehe:

I'm not one to shirk a challenge. Let's forget about his sex appeal. What is it that attracts you to the cloned Blairite Owen Smith then?

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 13:07

I'm not one to shirk a challenge. Let's forget about his sex appeal. What is it that attracts you to the cloned Blairite Owen Smith then?
Nothing attracts me to him :hehe: I was talking about socialism when I said we are on different books.

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 13:16

Nothing attracts me to him :hehe: I was talking about socialism when I said we are on different books.

Turkey has surrounded an American airforce base with 7,000 heavily armed police (they don't trust their military) and are effectively holding America to ransom, as they were silly enough to leave 20 nuclear weapons at the base, just in case they wanted to make a loud bang somewhere, and you're preoccupied by books..... https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/759660091347841024

Rjk

01-08-16, 13:32

I'm not one to shirk a challenge. Let's forget about his sex appeal. What is it that attracts you to the cloned Blairite Owen Smith then?

Is he really a blairite?

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 13:32

Are you still a lefty? :biggrin:

Owen Smith caught sending a late-night booty call without a photo...
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/01/owen-smith-caught-dckgate-scandal-4am-texts-labour-voters/

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 13:38

Is he really a blairite?

Is he? He's borrowed David Cameron's white shirt, (the one with the rolled up sleeves and no tie) has got all the arm waving movements choreographed by someone who used to dance with Pan's People from TOTP, and is borrowing policies from left right and center, as he's far too busy to think of any himself,while pissing in people's pockets and telling them it's only rain...

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 13:41

Labour are screwed with Corbyn there, and slightly less screwed with Smith there. They seem to reverting to the protest / placard waving party. Very popular with socialists everywhere - the problem being is that the UK has a constituency based model - so there are about 75 or key marginals Labour have to win - that will never happen. In fact seeing as all of Scotland is just about SNP - Labour would have to win the key marginals plus 50 more seats to compensate for the ones they've lost in Scotland - No chance.
I'm not a fan of Corbyn, I don't trust him.

Turkey has surrounded an American airforce base with 7,000 heavily armed police (they don't trust their military) and are effectively holding America to ransom, as they were silly enough to leave 20 nuclear weapons at the base, just in case they wanted to make a loud bang somewhere, and you're preoccupied by books..... https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/759660091347841024
Fair enough if you don't want to talk about it now but it will come up again, you do remind me of someone when you change the subject like that :hehe:

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 13:50

I'm not a fan of Corbyn, I don't trust him.

Fair enough if you don't want to talk about it now but it will come up again, you do remind me of someone when you change the subject like that :hehe:

I'm here, you're here, let's get the deal done. Corbyn is attracting slightly larger crowds, than a German gentlemen whose name we shall not mention, did at Nuremburg. Yet people are sucked in by corporate media spin and negative bias against him. For someone who has faced a mountain of msm spin and B/S telling the public just how unelectable he really is, he's looking like shoe-in as far as electability goes.

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 14:07

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 14:41

Brits love an underdog, it's been spun exactly how they want it, my concern is if you think that's a good thing or not? :hehe:

I've not yet been back a strawberry season (Twitter can still not believe their luck) and you're concerned already? Was it something that I said?
Okay to be serious for a bit, yes I do. Snakes shed their skins, moths turn into butterflies and all political parties reach a point where they need to re-invent themselves. As an experiment Blairism was an unmitigated disaster, that hi-jacked a complete party, repackaged it, threw away its core values and principles, tossed the Palestinian cause for self-determination into the trash cart and embraced full-blown corporate Zionism. People were sick of seeing MP candidates selected from an approved list, mentored to, and then parachuted, like Stephen Kinnock was, into seats that could be won by a corpse with a red rosette on. They're fed up with not being able to interview and select candidates that are policy and principle driven, as opposed to using their constituency as a convenient stop-off point on the way to a gravy train job after politics has been disposed of. What we're seeing (in my humble opinion) is a realignment of the whole Labour party, with 172 old guard Blairites, some more than others, all joining in to sabotage Jeremy Corbyn's journey against the wishes of hundreds of thousands who have recently joined Labour precisely for what he represents. Nothing succeeds like success, so the old adage goes and when you have momentum it is easier to keep invigorating attracting and energizing people to something that they have some faith in.

Rjk

01-08-16, 14:41

Brits love an underdog, it's been spun exactly how they want it, my concern is if you think that's a good thing or not? :hehe:

So by rubbishing everything he says and does the powers that be are trying to get people to vote for Corbyn?

Were they trying to get us to vote for miliband when they made fun of him eating a bacon sandwich?

Mrs Steve R

01-08-16, 15:15

I've not yet been back a strawberry season (Twitter can still not believe their luck) and you're concerned already? Was it something that I said?
Okay to be serious for a bit, yes I do. Snakes shed their skins, moths turn into butterflies and all political parties reach a point where they need to re-invent themselves. As an experiment Blairism was an unmitigated disaster, that hi-jacked a complete party, repackaged it, threw away its core values and principles, tossed the Palestinian cause for self-determination into the trash cart and embraced full-blown corporate Zionism. People were sick of seeing MP candidates selected from an approved list, mentored to, and then parachuted, like Stephen Kinnock was, into seats that could be won by a corpse with a red rosette on. They're fed up with not being able to interview and select candidates that are policy and principle driven, as opposed to using their constituency as a convenient stop-off point on the way to a gravy train job after politics has been disposed of. What we're seeing (in my humble opinion) is a realignment of the whole Labour party, with 172 old guard Blairites, some more than others, all joining in to sabotage Jeremy Corbyn's journey against the wishes of hundreds of thousands who have recently joined Labour precisely for what he represents. Nothing succeeds like success, so the old adage goes and when you have momentum it is easier to keep invigorating attracting and energizing people to something that they have some faith in.
Houston we have a problem.. :hehe:

I will explain on fb before we go any further with this..

So by rubbishing everything he says and does the powers that be are trying to get people to vote for Corbyn?

Were they trying to get us to vote for miliband when they made fun of him eating a bacon sandwich?
Haven't you seen the X-factor? He will shine, don't you worry :hehe:

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 15:20

Houston we have a problem.. :hehe:

I will explain on fb before we go any further with this..

My lawyers negotiated for years for this transfer. I've signed a caveat to be on best behaviour and you want to take the issue offline already!!!

Rjk

01-08-16, 15:28

Houston we have a problem.. :hehe:

Haven't you seen the X-factor? He will shine, don't you worry :hehe:

I look forward to it. Not sure I can really see Rupert Murdoch being complicit in a scheme to get a left wing labour leader elected though.

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 17:24

I'm not a fan of Corbyn, I don't trust him.

Fair enough if you don't want to talk about it now but it will come up again, you do remind me of someone when you change the subject like that :hehe:

"trust in the mainstream media’s (MSM) ability to report fairly on Corbyn is at an all-time low and his supporters were voicing their disdain about this. In doing so, they were expressing that, somehow, control of the narrative needs to be taken back."

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/01/pro-corbyn-campaign-public-sent-mainstream-media-hissy-fit/

Dr Lecter

01-08-16, 19:56

My lawyers negotiated for years for this transfer. I've signed a caveat to be on best behaviour and you want to take the issue offline already!!!

Be honest Mr Splott, you got banned from Twitter didn't you?

Good to have you back you mad lunatic :thumbup:

Splott Dave

01-08-16, 20:34

Be honest Mr Splott, you got banned from Twitter didn't you?

Good to have you back you mad lunatic :thumbup:

It's fair to say that like Chris Martin and Gwyneth we are emotionally uncoupling as painlessly as possible under the circumstances...

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 06:47

What a slimeball, weasel of a bloke he is. I'm no fan of Labour, but why have they not got the likes of Alan Johnson standing, if they want credibility? :shrug:

At least Owen Smith cannot be accused of being an original thinker, unlike Jeremy Corbyn.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-qa-owen-smith-copying-jeremy-corbyn/23170

the other bob wilson

02-08-16, 07:44

I look forward to it. Not sure I can really see Rupert Murdoch being complicit in a scheme to get a left wing labour leader elected though.

Oh, if that leader is as inept (and I'm just commenting on his general performance in the job so far and not saying anything about his politics there) as Corbyn has been so far, I would have thought Murdoch would be delighted to see him win another leadership election.

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 12:32

Mrs Steve R

02-08-16, 13:14

Oh, if that leader is as inept (and I'm just commenting on his general performance in the job so far and not saying anything about his politics there) as Corbyn has been so far, I would have thought Murdoch would be delighted to see him win another leadership election.
3 steps ahead, I like your thinking. :-)

Corbyn's consistent and well used to looking after himself.

https://twitter.com/LabourWimborne/status/759888652403027969
You can keep trying but you wont change my view of him, if you agree with that statement from Henry Makow I'm not sure why you would want to support him tbh, are you going to be getting one of these t-shirts and shouting 'Viva La Revolution' next? I will have to put you on ignore if you do :hehe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rocket-Fuel-Revolution-Printed-T-Shirt/dp/B015ZG2RFE

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 14:05

3 steps ahead, I like your thinking. :-)

You can keep trying but you wont change my view of him, if you agree with that statement from Henry Makow I'm not sure why you would want to support him tbh, are you going to be getting one of these t-shirts and shouting 'Viva La Revolution' next? I will have to put you on ignore if you do :hehe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rocket-Fuel-Revolution-Printed-T-Shirt/dp/B015ZG2RFE

I said that I've read Henry and have known about him for years. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything he comes out with, in the same way as you and I don't agree with everything. I have not read any specific statement from him on Corbyn, I wouldn't have thought it was his thing, but who knows.

Mrs Steve R

02-08-16, 14:15

I said that I've read Henry and have known about him for years. That doesn't mean that I agree with everything he comes out with, in the same way as you and I don't agree with everything. I have not read any specific statement from him on Corbyn, I wouldn't have thought it was his thing, but who knows.
Sorry, I took "Yep! I agree" to mean you agreed, my mistake :hehe:

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 14:23

Sorry, I took "Yep! I agree" to mean you agreed, my mistake :hehe:

I make certain allowances with women and try to be slightly more subtle with them. For example, had you read between the lines of Yep! I agree, you would have realised that I was employing it in much the same as Mrs Brown employs the use of 'that's nice' when she's dealing with someone who she can't be arsed to explain things to. :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 14:25

I make certain allowances with women and try to be slightly more subtle with them. For example, had you read between the lines of Yep! I agree, you would have realised that I was employing it in much the same as Mrs Brown employs the use of 'that's nice' when she's dealing with someone who she can't be arsed to explain things to. :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Here's a video of thousands of people turning out to tell Jeremy that he's completely un-electable and to go home...

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/760386675088367616

Mrs Steve R

02-08-16, 14:33

I make certain allowances with women and try to be slightly more subtle with them. For example, had you read between the lines of Yep! I agree, you would have realised that I was employing it in much the same as Mrs Brown employs the use of 'that's nice' when she's dealing with someone who she can't be arsed to explain things to. :hehe::hehe::hehe:
I would prefer it if you didn't make allowances for me if you don't mind, saying what you actually mean usually works for me, shame on you for watching Mrs Brown btw :biggrin:

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 14:44

I would prefer it if you didn't make allowances for me if you don't mind, saying what you actually mean usually works for me, shame on you for watching Mrs Brown btw :biggrin:

That's nice...

Mrs Steve R

02-08-16, 14:49

That's nice...
I knew it. :facepalm:

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 15:14

I knew it. :facepalm:

We're going to have to agree to disagree where Jezza's concerned...:hehe:

There's a first for everything.

life on mars

02-08-16, 16:13

What a slimeball, weasel of a bloke he is. I'm no fan of Labour, but why have they not got the likes of Alan Johnson standing, if they want credibility? :shrug:

What a mess , all because of the Blair / New Labour paranoia game ,whcih strangely got them elected in mass numbers , and other than Iraq they did a lot of good ,and shoved it right in the noses of the Tories , I will never forget those landslides wins and the right wnig loses .

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 17:01

What a slimeball, weasel of a bloke he is. I'm no fan of Labour, but why have they not got the likes of Alan Johnson standing, if they want credibility? :shrug:

How many of Jeremy Corbyn's policy's has he nicked?

https://twitter.com/VvsTyranny/status/760453359803523072

Mrs Steve R

02-08-16, 18:49

We're going to have to agree to disagree where Jezza's concerned...:hehe:

There's a first for everything.
Is it as simple as that though? :hehe: I think maybe not.

Splott Dave

02-08-16, 19:03

Is it as simple as that though? :hehe: I think maybe not.

We're not doing Thelma and Louise tonight, I don't care how much you want to...:hehe:

ZZ Jack

04-08-16, 11:19

Is he? He's borrowed David Cameron's white shirt, (the one with the rolled up sleeves and no tie) has got all the arm waving movements choreographed by someone who used to dance with Pan's People from TOTP, and is borrowing policies from left right and center, as he's far too busy to think of any himself,while pissing in people's pockets and telling them it's only rain...

That makes him a Cameronite, the question was is he a Blairite.

ZZ Jack

04-08-16, 11:34

I'm here, you're here, let's get the deal done. Corbyn is attracting slightly larger crowds, than a German gentlemen whose name we shall not mention, did at Nuremburg. Yet people are sucked in by corporate media spin and negative bias against him. For someone who has faced a mountain of msm spin and B/S telling the public just how unelectable he really is, he's looking like shoe-in as far as electability goes.

I don't often agree with you, but I find it difficult to fault Corbyn for his uncomplicated honesty. What you see is what you get. I like his views on the railways and energy companies as there must be a better way of running those two vital services. Swansea to London earlier this week, for two people the rail fare was over £160.00 return. We did the journey by car and it cost less than £60.00 for diesel. QED

Splott Dave

04-08-16, 11:46

I don't often agree with you, but I find it difficult to fault Corbyn for his uncomplicated honesty. What you see is what you get. I like his views on the railways and energy companies as there must be a better way of running those two vital services. Swansea to London earlier this week, for two people the rail fare was over £160.00 return. We did the journey by car and it cost less than £60.00 for diesel. QED

Agree with me! Gawd you know how to hurt someone, and me a pensioner and all...

For £160 you could have gone from Paris to Rome by train, returned and done the same trip all over again.

Mrs Steve R

04-08-16, 11:55

We're not doing Thelma and Louise tonight, I don't care how much you want to...:hehe:
You are too old to be in that open top car now anyway, don't want to lose what's left of your hair do you :hehe:

I still don't agree on Jezza though, even if it is your birthday.:tongue:

Splott Dave

04-08-16, 12:07

You are too old to be in that open top car now anyway, don't want to lose what's left of your hair do you :hehe:

I still don't agree on Jezza though, even if it is your birthday.:tongue:

You've lied to a pensioner and I hope you're proud of yourself.

You drag me back here on the promise that it's all changed and different now. Fill my head full of nonsense with tales of new topics and what do I find? Only one thread about wanking monkeys and then I get embroiled in all that geo-political shit that you keep me up at nights talking about...

Mrs Steve R

04-08-16, 12:18

You've lied to a pensioner and I hope you're proud of yourself.

You drag me back here on the promise that it's all changed and different now. Fill my head full of nonsense with tales of new topics and what do I find? Only one thread about wanking monkeys and then I get embroiled in all that geo-political shit that you keep me up at nights talking about...
:yikes: I didn't drag anyone anywhere :hehe: you need to be dragged away from the left a bit though :hehe:

Splott Dave

04-08-16, 12:53

What a slimeball, weasel of a bloke he is. I'm no fan of Labour, but why have they not got the likes of Alan Johnson standing, if they want credibility? :shrug:

We are in perfect accord once again.

Henry VIII said that to one of his wives just before he decided that she would look better if she was a head shorter.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/04/owen-smith-found-inspiration-latest-proposals-surprising-source/

Splott Dave

07-08-16, 14:18

What a slimeball, weasel of a bloke he is. I'm no fan of Labour, but why have they not got the likes of Alan Johnson standing, if they want credibility? :shrug:

You have to admit he's a fair judge of character though.

https://twitter.com/OwenSmith_MP/status/738793817139220480

David Vincent

07-08-16, 15:37

I'm very superficial and I usually judge a book by its cover. To me Owen Smith looks like another Monsieur Hollande. The latter is a useless traitor who only thinks about his next shag and what his treat his celebrated chefs are preparing for dinner. The fact that Owen Smith speaks French increases the similarity.

When Mitt Romney ran for President he was accused of being able to speak French and that cost him a lot of votes. I think Owen Smith might have the same problem in some constituencies. He should do what Edward Heath did – admit to knowing the language but refuse to make any concessions to the French accent. When the French heard their beautiful language being pronounced in Heath's upper class English accent they didn't know whether to laugh or cry.