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Wales-Bales
06-08-16, 07:24
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-deploy-detection-vans-to-snoop-on-internet-users/
Splott Dave
06-08-16, 07:33
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/05/bbc-to-deploy-detection-vans-to-snoop-on-internet-users/
£1,000 Maximum fine for watching without a valid licence. Plus a criminal record
If I knew that it was only going to cost me a grand to get a criminal record, I would have bought one years ago..
Wales-Bales
06-08-16, 07:38
If I knew that it was only going to cost me a grand to get a criminal record, I would have bought one years ago..
Interesting that they will be using anti-terror legislation in their fight against people watching tv.
Splott Dave
06-08-16, 07:45
Interesting that they will be using anti-terror legislation in their fight against people watching tv.
If only I had known that there was a queue jumping short-cut way to getting a criminal record years ago it would have saved me an awful lot of time, stress and money.
Even more interesting is the fact that the taxpayer, they that fund this latest road trip version of Top Gear, will not be told what the entire cost of having a nation-wide van fleet on the road,is going to cost them.
In what shape or form is this old news a conspiracy theory?
Wales-Bales
06-08-16, 07:49
In what shape or form is this old news a conspiracy theory?
It might be something to do with the vans :sherlock: It would be a lot cheaper and faster to use the new snoopers charter from the comfort of their office desk, or just get somebody from the IT Department to write a script :-)
Splott Dave
06-08-16, 07:52
It might be something to do with the vans :sherlock: It would be a lot cheaper and faster to use the new snoopers charter :-)
Or Section 19. SWP informed me that you could get 15 years on that. I took one look at the missus and asked, could they make it a bit longer please...
Organ Morgan.
06-08-16, 08:28
It's a regressive tax on owning a TV and other devices, an extortion racket. Pay for the privilege of having the capability to tune into our state sponsored propaganda, or else.
The bloke in the vid has a right go at the snooper who came knocking on his door. Be warned, he uses some colourful language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUOXYDowL4&feature=youtu.be
Splott Dave
06-08-16, 08:39
It's a regressive tax on owning a TV and other devices, an extortion racket. Pay for the privilege of having the capability to tune into our state sponsored propaganda, or else.
The bloke in the vid has a right go at the snooper who came knocking on his door. Be warned, he uses some colourful language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUOXYDowL4&feature=youtu.be
In other BBC News " a Norwegian man of Somalian origin was arrested and charged by police this morning."
I'm looking forward to them announcing Mo Farrah as a "British athlete of Eritrean origin lining up for his event."
I doubt they'll go to this expense. My guess is that you'll need to put a password in to get access to iplayer, with your licence number as username or something. The number of people who will get round this is so small that it's not worth the money on vans to potter around the country detecting (if it's even possible to do it in this inefficient manner).
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Surprisingly enough, the story is bollocks.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/06/bbc_detector_van_wi_fi_iplayer/
David Vincent
06-08-16, 14:22
It's a regressive tax on owning a TV and other devices, an extortion racket. Pay for the privilege of having the capability to tune into our state sponsored propaganda, or else.
The fact that we are being forced to pay to receive their lying, mind twisting crap makes it doubly offensive. I must confess that I do listen to the BBC news now and then, but only to find out what message they are pushing. To get to the truth you should always assume the opposite is true. Ditto C4, Sky, ITV and all the other dissemblers. Even the weather reports are lies. The last time they told me it would be sunny all day I could see our postman being almost washed town the street by torrential rain.
Wales-Bales
06-08-16, 18:17
Why don't they just protect their material in the same way that companies such as Sky and Netflix do, and stop bothering the sizeable number of people who don't want anything to do with the BBC? Imagine if Sky or Netflix turned up at your home with police officers in tow, and did the same thing (assuming they also used unprotected distribution methods). There would be uproar.
So they want to put smart meters in every home, yet they can't put a simple box in the homes of people who are actually willing to pay to watch the BBC. Just think about it, why have they chosen the harassment, intimidation and invasion of privacy method? I can only assume it is because they think they can get more money that way.
Splott Dave
06-08-16, 19:29
I can only assume it is because they think they can get more money that way.
That's a strong possibility. Alternatively they could be looking to protect their funding revenues from being reduced by the government through the creation of this new in-house operation.
Why don't they just protect their material in the same way that companies such as Sky and Netflix do, and stop bothering the sizeable number of people who don't want anything to do with the BBC? Imagine if Sky or Netflix turned up at your home with police officers in tow, and did the same thing (assuming they also used unprotected distribution methods). There would be uproar.
So they want to put smart meters in every home, yet they can't put a simple box in the homes of people who are actually willing to pay to watch the BBC. Just think about it, why have they chosen the harassment, intimidation and invasion of privacy method? I can only assume it is because they think they can get more money that way.
Would the box work if you want to watch iplayer on your device when you're out?
Splott Dave
07-08-16, 07:04
Would the box work if you want to watch iplayer on your device when you're out?
Why are people so accepting of the need to have some form smart meter/box in their home to watch something which they have already paid for with their annual licence fee? It's not as if the BBC are completely dependent on licence fees, Top Gear alone used to bring in some £350 million annually from global sales.
Surely we should just be looking at this for what it really is, just another way of raising revenues for the organisation, like paying for the privilege of driving your car into central London, i.e. just another tax?
Why are people so accepting of the need to have some form smart meter/box in their home to watch something which they have already paid for with their annual licence fee? It's not as if the BBC are completely dependent on licence fees, Top Gear alone used to bring in some £350 million annually from global sales.
Surely we should just be looking at this for what it really is, just another way of raising revenues for the organisation, like paying for the privilege of driving your car into central London, i.e. just another tax?
I think you're misinterpreting the thread. The smart box is just a suggestion that someone has made on here. It doesn't exist. I'm not sure who you think is accepting it.
Splott Dave
07-08-16, 08:54
I think you're misinterpreting the thread. The smart box is just a suggestion that someone has made on here. It doesn't exist. I'm not sure who you think is accepting it.
They already exist! Why do you think there are thousands of devices fitted to people's television sets to record and get accurate samples of viewing figures. Those samples are then used as the basis for statistical data, extrapolated and projected on to regional and national levels.
http://www.barb.co.uk/about-us/how-we-do-what-we-do/
They already exist! Why do you think there are thousands of devices fitted to people's television sets to record and get accurate samples of viewing figures. Those samples are then used as the basis for statistical data, extrapolated and projected on to regional and national levels.
http://www.barb.co.uk/about-us/how-we-do-what-we-do/
:facepalm:
You've just explained why they're there. I'm quite confident that all those people have paid their TV licence. :shrug:
If you have some proof that these are going to be put in every house in the land, then please show evidence, etc etc. Also help me understand how a box attached to the tv is going to monitor online activity, which is what this thread is about.
Splott Dave
07-08-16, 09:18
:facepalm:
You've just explained why they're there. I'm quite confident that all those people have paid their TV licence. :shrug:
If you have some proof that these are going to be put in every house in the land, then please show evidence, etc etc. Also help me understand how a box attached to the tv is going to monitor online activity, which is what this thread is about.
I've given you a specific example of monitoring. In this case it's for audience research. The fact remains that it isn't so much of an alien concept as it's just a case of coming up with appropriate technology.
First comes the 'problem' then comes the 'reaction', finally we are given a 'solution'. It's a classic Problem-Reaction-Solution model which is used over and over again particularly in the field of national security.
We are drowning in surveillance systems in the West, systems which are costing billions and billons of $$'s to taxpayers. Yet if we look objectively and believe every report on 'terror attacks' that we're told, some 50% of the remain undetected prior to the event. The vast majority of the 'attackers' are already known to police or security services in some form or another.
It's a specific example of monitoring, albeit one of a completely different technology and purpose. You might as well have started talking about having windows in your house.
Splott Dave
07-08-16, 09:41
It's a specific example of monitoring, albeit one of a completely different technology and purpose. You might as well have started talking about having windows in your house.
You can do that on another thread if you like. What I established is the basic concept of monitoring exists already. It's just a few steps more to getting people to accept an intrusion into their private lives as something which is normal, acceptable and something that they should not be unduly concerned about.
You know all the people getting their tv viewing 'monitored' volunteered for it, right?
Splott Dave
07-08-16, 11:24
You know all the people getting their tv viewing 'monitored' volunteered for it, right?
Makes no difference if someone had crept into their bedroom in the middle of the night, rammed their arm up their back and forced them to have one.
The concept of monitoring, inside people's homes, is one which has become well established.
I can see you're proud of yourself but just out of interest, which of my posts led you to believe that I don't know what the word monitoring means?
Or is this a transparent attempt to move the conversation away from your hilarious ignorance of technology? :hehe:
Splott Dave
07-08-16, 11:41
I can see you're proud of yourself but just out of interest, which of my posts led you to believe that I don't know what the word monitoring means?
Or is this a transparent attempt to move the conversation away from your hilarious ignorance of technology? :hehe:
My complete 'ignorance of technology' gave me extra time this morning to pick wild poppies for my wife from a grassy knoll, which in turn assisted me to have my wicked way with her as she was overcome by the gesture.
Technology ain't all it's cracked up to be lardy...:hehe:
Wales-Bales
07-08-16, 11:51
Would the box work if you want to watch iplayer on your device when you're out?
iPlayer could be password protected, just like Sky Go and Netflix are. You would only need a decoder for terrestrial television signals.
Wales-Bales
07-08-16, 11:59
Why are people so accepting of the need to have some form smart meter/box in their home to watch something which they have already paid for with their annual licence fee? It's not as if the BBC are completely dependent on licence fees, Top Gear alone used to bring in some £350 million annually from global sales.
Surely we should just be looking at this for what it really is, just another way of raising revenues for the organisation, like paying for the privilege of driving your car into central London, i.e. just another tax?
It's just a decoder to unscramble encrypted TV signals, there is nothing smart about it :-)
Wales-Bales
07-08-16, 12:05
Here is a photo of a new licence detector van, alongside 4 customer service licence inspectors.
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Splott Dave
07-08-16, 12:10
Here is a photo of the new licence detector vans, alongside 4 customer service licence inspectors.
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Whatever happened to Z Cars?
They made do with a Ford Zephyr without any seatbelts in that.
iPlayer could be password protected, just like Sky Go and Netflix are. You would only need a decoder for terrestrial television signals.
Yep I suggested the password earlier. Why would tv signals need to be decoded? Surely nothing needs to change there, this is about online viewing.
My complete 'ignorance of technology' gave me extra time this morning to pick wild poppies for my wife from a grassy knoll, which in turn assisted me to have my wicked way with her as she was overcome by the gesture.
Technology ain't all it's cracked up to be lardy...:hehe:
Nobody expects a 65 year old middle manager to keep up with technology, but how does that old saying go? Better to be silent and thought a fool than...
Wales-Bales
07-08-16, 12:26
Why would tv signals need to be decoded?
To stop innocent innocent people getting harassed. If live TV signals were encrypted, they couldn't go around accusing the people who have opted out of watching their programs.
To stop innocent innocent people getting harassed. If live TV signals were encrypted, they couldn't go around accusing the people who have opted out of watching their programs.
But the law at the moment is that you need a licence to watch any channel not just 'their' programmes. So which innocent people are being harassed?
Wales-Bales
07-08-16, 12:38
But the law at the moment is that you need a licence to watch any channel not just 'their' programmes. So which innocent people are being harassed?
That's like saying I have to pay a licence fee to Heineken if I want to drink beer, even if I only drink real ale. It's bollocks and it's also extortion. They need to focus on the BBC and make their laws applicable only to the BBC. And I'm not even sure that they need a law as it's only a broadcasting company.
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