By which legal authority does UK special forces have to be in Syria?

[Splott Dave]

Syria is a sovereign country with a seat at the United Nations and embassy's all around the world. I'm not unpatriotic in the slightest, but sending British troops into a sovereign country without them being invited by the government of that country is an act of war. Parliament hasn't debated and decided in favour of this. The British people have not been consulted on it. What if the Syrian forces decide to retaliate against British targets abroad? What do we do then?

This is sheer madness, something that we should be contacting our MP's about and demand that they get answers from the Ministry of Defence in double quick time, otherwise we could very quickly find ourselves sucked into something that we are unable to get out of very easily.

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/09/by-which-legal-authority-does-uk-special-forces-have-to-be-in-syria/

[TH63]

Don't know, but IF the story is true, I would imagine there are operational security reasons why you and I haven't been informed about it.

Unfortunately, all the BBC have achieved is to put a bigger target on their backs, and the backs of every British citizen. Nice.

[Splott Dave]

Don't know, but IF the story is true, I would imagine there are operational security reasons why you and I haven't been informed about it.

Unfortunately, all the BBC have achieved is to put a bigger target on their backs, and the backs of every British citizen. Nice.

Irrelevant! It's an act of war, pure and simple. We have not been invited into Syria by the legal and legitimate government of that country.

[Barry Dragon]

Do you know that for certain? 100% that there has not been an agreement to allow UK forces to target ISIS? How can you be 100% certain there is not a top secret agreement between Assad government and the UK USA governments to be allowed to target ISIS, on the basis they dont attack Assads forces?

Dont you think it is a bit weird to go to war with someone and not attack their forces? I sure do.

[Splott Dave]

Do you know that for certain? 100% that there has not been an agreement to allow UK forces to target ISIS? How can you be 100% certain there is not a top secret agreement between Assad government and the UK USA governments to be allowed to target ISIS, on the basis they dont attack Assads forces?

Dont you think it is a bit weird to go to war with someone and not attack their forces? I sure do.

British forces have crossed from Jordon, not from a seaport or airport in Syria. It's hardly likely seeing as Cameron lost a vote in the HoC about engaging in a bombing campaign against ISIS, on the pretext that we would be assisting the mythical army of '70,000 moderates' that nobody has ever seen.

The only effective forces in Syria are the Russians who are there with the full support of the Syrian government. The so called 'Free Syrian Army' may well be fighting ISIS (there are about 30 different armed groups in Syria) but they certainly are also the sworn enemies of the Syrian government forces.

Maybe having a word with our 'allies' Israel to stop helping with Jihadi fighting groups might work just as well?

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/israel-continues-to-save-militants-fighting-in-syria/

[David Vincent]

This is sheer madness, something that we should be contacting our MP's about and demand that they get answers from the Ministry of Defence in double quick time, otherwise we could very quickly find ourselves sucked into something that we are unable to get out of very easily.
https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/09/by-which-legal-authority-does-uk-special-forces-have-to-be-in-syria/

You made me laugh there when you said we should contact our MPs. Unless that was a joke I think you are only an apprentice conspiratorialist. Nearly all the MPs have been bought and paid for. Most of them are just idiots anyway. They are just doing what they have been told to do. As long as they keep their mouths shut and don't cause any trouble they will be allowed to milk the system. Anyone who questions things – e.g. George Galloway – is ridiculed and sidelined.

If anyone thinks we are there to fight ISIS then they've got a screw loose. We have created ISIS and we are arming them. The SAS are only there to get rid of the rightfully elected leader of Syria. The SAS are fighting Assad on behalf of foreign powers. They are not fighting for us. They have gone rogue.

[TH63]

British forces have crossed from Jordon, not from a seaport or airport in Syria. It's hardly likely seeing as Cameron lost a vote in the HoC about engaging in a bombing campaign against ISIS, on the pretext that we would be assisting the mythical army of '70,000 moderates' that nobody has ever seen.

The only effective forces in Syria are the Russians who are there with the full support of the Syrian government. The so called 'Free Syrian Army' may well be fighting ISIS (there are about 30 different armed groups in Syria) but they certainly are also the sworn enemies of the Syrian government forces.

Maybe having a word with our 'allies' Israel to stop helping with Jihadi fighting groups might work just as well?

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/israel-continues-to-save-militants-fighting-in-syria/

Here we go....

[Splott Dave]

You made me laugh there when you said we should contact our MPs. Unless that was a joke I think you are only an apprentice conspiratorialist. Nearly all the MPs have been bought and paid for. Most of them are just idiots anyway. They are just doing what they have been told to do. As long as they keep their mouths shut and don't cause any trouble they will be allowed to milk the system. Anyone who questions things – e.g. George Galloway – is ridiculed and sidelined.

If anyone thinks we are there to fight ISIS then they've got a screw loose. We have created ISIS and we are arming them. The SAS are only there to get rid of the rightfully elected leader of Syria. The SAS are fighting Assad on behalf of foreign powers. They are not fighting for us. They have gone rogue.

I do matinee performances here, the real hard stuff is over on my Twitter account.

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

[goslow]

Here we go....


Were you expecting anything else :hehe:

[Wales-Bales]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPjfsF-_CLE

[Barry Dragon]

British forces have crossed from Jordon, not from a seaport or airport in Syria. It's hardly likely seeing as Cameron lost a vote in the HoC about engaging in a bombing campaign against ISIS, on the pretext that we would be assisting the mythical army of '70,000 moderates' that nobody has ever seen.

The only effective forces in Syria are the Russians who are there with the full support of the Syrian government. The so called 'Free Syrian Army' may well be fighting ISIS (there are about 30 different armed groups in Syria) but they certainly are also the sworn enemies of the Syrian government forces.

Maybe having a word with our 'allies' Israel to stop helping with Jihadi fighting groups might work just as well?

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/israel-continues-to-save-militants-fighting-in-syria/


So you know nothing? Why would they use an airbase with increased risks of being shot down?

So you can atleast agree on the principle that there is a top secret agreement in place to allow UK ground troops and airforce to enter syria on the principle they are there to attack ISIS only.

And why are you talking to yourself again?

[Splott Dave]

So you know nothing? Why would they use an airbase with increased risks of being shot down?

So you can atleast agree on the principle that there is a top secret agreement in place to allow UK ground troops and airforce to enter syria on the principle they are there to attack ISIS only.

And why are you talking to yourself again?

Who is attacking ISIS? ISIS is a creation and a response to Western foolishness in the Middle East. There is more than enough information around to show that Al-Qaeda affiliated groups are being supported by USA, Britain, Turkey and Israel in their attempts to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria.

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/caught-usa-govt-shipped-1700-metric-tons-of-new-u-s-weapons-to-al-nusra-terrorists-in-syria/

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/israel-continues-to-save-militants-fighting-in-syria/

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/2012-dod-documents-show-state-department-well-aware-of-weapons-shipments-to-terrorists-in-syria-clinton-lied-in-testimony/

http://www.whatsupic.com/news-politics-world/1469091231.html

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/uk-special-forces-help-mad-moslems.html

https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/

http://www.mintpressnews.com/211910-2/211910/


You need to concentrate on discussing issues and topics on a message board rather than attacking other posters.

[TH63]

A blog operated by half a dozen people called "uprooted palestinians" is hardly a paragon of unbiased and accurate reporting is it now?

[Splott Dave]

A blog operated by half a dozen people called "uprooted palestinians" is hardly a paragon of unbiased and accurate reporting is it now?

You wouldn't have to look very far to find plenty of alternative news sites featuring information on these issues that you won't see on Sky News, or read in the Daily Mail. If you intend to rely on being informed by mainstream media, you're going to be sadly disappointed and remain uninformed about events.

You can do the research yourself...

[Splott Dave]

A blog operated by half a dozen people called "uprooted palestinians" is hardly a paragon of unbiased and accurate reporting is it now?

President Putin exposes the criminal stupidity that the West has been involved in during the last few years of its interference in the Middle East.


https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/breaking-news-putin-exposes-obamas-paid-isis-mercenaries-in-middle-east-and-syria/

[Barry Dragon]

Who is attacking ISIS? ISIS is a creation and a response to Western foolishness in the Middle East. There is more than enough information around to show that Al-Qaeda affiliated groups are being supported by USA, Britain, Turkey and Israel in their attempts to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria.

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/caught-usa-govt-shipped-1700-metric-tons-of-new-u-s-weapons-to-al-nusra-terrorists-in-syria/

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/israel-continues-to-save-militants-fighting-in-syria/

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/2012-dod-documents-show-state-department-well-aware-of-weapons-shipments-to-terrorists-in-syria-clinton-lied-in-testimony/

http://www.whatsupic.com/news-politics-world/1469091231.html

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/uk-special-forces-help-mad-moslems.html

https://www.rt.com/news/327701-isis-turkey-oil-trade/

http://www.mintpressnews.com/211910-2/211910/


You need to concentrate on discussing issues and topics on a message board rather than attacking other posters.

I dont believe such propaganda, such one sided views cant be believed by anyone that doesn't have an agenda.

[Barry Dragon]

President Putin exposes the criminal stupidity that the West has been involved in during the last few years of its interference in the Middle East.


https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/breaking-news-putin-exposes-obamas-paid-isis-mercenaries-in-middle-east-and-syria/

Only reading the headline. Yes America have admitted they co-operated with some wrong groups. I have seen it in the press. With so many groups its possible mistakes will have been made. They have admitted such already.

And Russia will put out such propaganda like this whether there is truth to it or not. Cant expect Russia to be supporting what america does can you!

[Splott Dave]

I dont believe such propaganda, such one sided views cant be believed by anyone that doesn't have an agenda.

So you believe Western media propaganda instead? You're happy with the Western media's regurgitation of its government's agenda? We're not the good guys in this. It's not a noble cause that our governments are involved in you know.

It's not about 'believing propaganda' it's about doing the research for yourself.

[Barry Dragon]

So you believe Western media propaganda instead? You're happy with the Western media's regurgitation of its government's agenda? We're not the good guys in this. It's not a noble cause that our governments are involved in you know.

It's not about 'believing propaganda' it's about doing the research for yourself.


No I dont, why do you have to believe in 1 side of the propaganda or the other? Its obvious you believe 1 side of the propaganda and seem to devote your life to believing it. Certainly manage to devote this forum to your beliefs, even dedicating (at least) 2 accounts to discussing it. Why do conspiracy people believe you have to believe in 1 side of the propaganda or the tother. Why cant you see through the shit of all sides?

Look it has gone on for thousands of years. It will most likely go no for a thousands more. What have you achieved by dedicating your life to believing what other people's opinion written in the form of a blog, or some other publication?

[Splott Dave]

I dont believe such propaganda, such one sided views cant be believed by anyone that doesn't have an agenda.

One of the world's foremost investigative journalists is John Pilger who is ex-BBC. Here he is talking about Syria to Afshin Rattansi back in December 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwLX7k57_8U

[Splott Dave]

No I dont, why do you have to believe in 1 side of the propaganda or the other? Its obvious you believe 1 side of the propaganda and seem to devote your life to believing it. Certainly manage to devote this forum to your beliefs, even dedicating (at least) 2 accounts to discussing it. Why do conspiracy people believe you have to believe in 1 side of the propaganda or the tother. Why cant you see through the shit of all sides?

Look it has gone on for thousands of years. It will most likely go no for a thousands more. What have you achieved by dedicating your life to believing what other people's opinion written in the form of a blog, or some other publication?

Explain to me who is twisting your arm up your back and forcing you to read my posts and I'll have a word with them?

I'll help you out if you like and just put you on ignore.

[Barry Dragon]

Explain to me who is twisting your arm up your back and forcing you to read my posts and I'll have a word with them?

I'll help you out if you like and just put you on ignore.

Been coming on here for many a year like you. Can I ask why you are flooding the forum with post that no-one really has anything to say about as they dont care. The only ones who care are you and your other accounts. And although you seem to get a nice conversation going between you and yourself. No-one cares. Why keep posting this crap, cant you just keep flooding twitter.

Are you Gluey is another disguise, as you never answer anyones queries /questions they have about what you have to say. You change the topic every time, can you try and backup what you are saying when someone questions it?

[Barry Dragon]

One of the world's foremost investigative journalists is John Pilger who is ex-BBC. Here he is talking about Syria to Afshin Rattansi back in December 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwLX7k57_8U

And they have admitted as such in the press. They have said they have made mistakes, and have funded organisations that have since been associated with ISIS.

What do you think of the middle eastern states openly funding these organisations? Are these states doing the devils work? The UK has admitted its mistakes, these middle eastern states have openly funded them. What is your opinion on this?

[Splott Dave]

Been coming on here for many a year like you. Can I ask why you are flooding the forum with post that no-one really has anything to say about as they dont care. The only ones who care are you and your other accounts. And although you seem to get a nice conversation going between you and yourself. No-one cares. Why keep posting this crap, cant you just keep flooding twitter.

Are you Gluey is another disguise, as you never answer anyones queries /questions they have about what you have to say. You change the topic every time, can you try and backup what you are saying when someone questions it?

This is a political forum unless it's escaped your attention. My interest in football starts when the whistle blows.

You may as well criticise why some are posting on the Welsh Forum.

There are no other accounts and you should learn to present arguments if you want to get involved in debates on issues, instead of just being irrationally argumentative.

The only way that your position would make any kind of sense, is if you had countervailing evidence to dispute the information that's been put forward.

Explain to me who has stopped you from posting your own topics in a political forum devoted to, funnily enough, political issues in all of their many forms.

[Splott Dave]

And they have admitted as such in the press. They have said they have made mistakes, and have funded organisations that have since been associated with ISIS.

What do you think of the middle eastern states openly funding these organisations? Are these states doing the devils work? The UK has admitted its mistakes, these middle eastern states have openly funded them. What is your opinion on this?

Explain to me where the UK has admitted its mistakes, when Cameron called for a bombing campaign on Syria which was defeated in parliament?

[Barry Dragon]

Explain to me where the UK has admitted its mistakes, when Cameron called for a bombing campaign on Syria which was defeated in parliament?

You think they can admit it before they found out, before they even funded them? No its not going to be 4 years ago, I have seen it on TV in the last year.

[Splott Dave]

You think they can admit it before they found out, before they even funded them? No its not going to be 4 years ago, I have seen it on TV in the last year.

Barry, you need to go away and sit down with a cup of tea and have a good long hard think about what issues you want to discuss and debate about, in a political forum devoted to debate and discussion.

[TH63]

You wouldn't have to look very far to find plenty of alternative news sites featuring information on these issues that you won't see on Sky News, or read in the Daily Mail. If you intend to rely on being informed by mainstream media, you're going to be sadly disappointed and remain uninformed about events.

You can do the research yourself...

Well I won't go anywhere near the Daily Mail for a kick off.

Truth is, I have yet to find a source of media devoid of bias, and to be quite honest, I have neither the time or sufficient interest to conduct my own research.

What I will argue though, is that while I have some sympathy with your suspicion of mainstream news I would also question the integrity and impartiality of the links you refer to. Let's look at the ones you referenced above.

"Uprootedpalestinians" Yep, I'm sure there's no anti-Israel bias there at all
"whatsupic" - Can't find anything about them, but their homepage is dominated by Anti-Israel rhetoric
"aanirfan" - Another blog, seemingly dedicated to conspiracies (I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
"rt.com" - A Russian website, founded by Vladimir Putin's press secretary. Again, perfectly neutral and impartial
"mintpressnews" another former blogger turned news site, produced by bloggers, with it's funding undisclosed and previously criticised for it's pro-assad agenda.

You appear an intelligent(ish) man SD, but you also appear to be blinded by prejudice, fueled by others' prejudices, you abhor mainstream media, yet take the word of unaccountable, unverified bloggers, with not very hidden agendas, as gospel. Just because their views fit with your own. You rely on these links like a man with a broken leg relies on a crutch.

Most of post nonsense occasionally, but you do it all the time, you are a single-issue poster, nothing football related and it's getting boring. Like spam in my inbox, needs to be ignored.

[Splott Dave]

Well I won't go anywhere near the Daily Mail for a kick off.

Truth is, I have yet to find a source of media devoid of bias, and to be quite honest, I have neither the time or sufficient interest to conduct my own research.

What I will argue though, is that while I have some sympathy with your suspicion of mainstream news I would also question the integrity and impartiality of the links you refer to. Let's look at the ones you referenced above.

"Uprootedpalestinians" Yep, I'm sure there's no anti-Israel bias there at all
"whatsupic" - Can't find anything about them, but their homepage is dominated by Anti-Israel rhetoric
"aanirfan" - Another blog, seemingly dedicated to conspiracies (I'm beginning to see a pattern here)
"rt.com" - A Russian website, founded by Vladimir Putin's press secretary. Again, perfectly neutral and impartial
"mintpressnews" another former blogger turned news site, produced by bloggers, with it's funding undisclosed and previously criticised for it's pro-assad agenda.

You appear an intelligent(ish) man SD, but you also appear to be blinded by prejudice, fueled by others' prejudices, you abhor mainstream media, yet take the word of unaccountable, unverified bloggers, with not very hidden agendas, as gospel. Just because their views fit with your own. You rely on these links like a man with a broken leg relies on a crutch.

Most of post nonsense occasionally, but you do it all the time, you are a single-issue poster, nothing football related and it's getting boring. Like spam in my inbox, needs to be ignored.

The issue is about Western involvement in Syria, pure and simple. Either you have countervailing evidence which casts doubt on the veracity of the links which have been provided, in which case I'll read them, or you don't.

It's not complicated.

John Pilger gives an interview on the subject and Vladmir Putin has also addressed it to a roomful of international journalists. Both links are there for you to read and watch.

[Barry Dragon]

Barry, you need to go away and sit down with a cup of tea and have a good long hard think about what issues you want to discuss and debate about, in a political forum devoted to debate and discussion.

Is what you post political? I would say barely and thats being generous.

You just have to look at the replies you get to say that you dont exactly put forward a debate, and I never see you debate with people who debate with you. You either throw away what they say, or change the topic completely.

I think sir you need to heed your own advice.

[Barry Dragon]

The issue is about Western involvement in Syria, pure and simple. Either you have countervailing evidence which casts doubt on the veracity of the links which have been provided, in which case I'll read them, or you don't.

It's not complicated.

John Pilger gives an interview on the subject and Vladmir Putin has also addressed it to a roomful of international journalists. Both links are there for you to read and watch.

John pilger seems to suggest that the suppressive government in iraq libya and syria are a good thing? Would you agree. I agree what we have is a very undesirable situation, but is leaving a government to kill people at will for any reason a good thing. John seems to suggest the countries were fine before we got there. I dont think thousands being killed for little misdemeanors or having a different opinion is a great country!

And with regard to your OP, Do you want to post comment about the possibility that there is an agreement between syria and the UK for grounds troops?

[Splott Dave]

John pilger seems to suggest that the suppressive government in iraq libya and syria are a good thing? Would you agree.

I've been to all three of those countries and they had functioning governments excellent social and education systems, along with relative security for their inhabitants.

Were they perfect models of democracy? No but then so what. They're complete basket cases now as a result of Western intervention, invasion and one-sided wars.

I agree what we have is a very undesirable situation, but is leaving a government to kill people at will for any reason a good thing. John seems to suggest the countries were fine before we got there. I dont think thousands being killed for little misdemeanors or having a different opinion is a great country!


This is pure nonsense. It's very simplistic and sounds good as part of Western propaganda but the reality is they were stable countries. The only people who left any of them, left for political reasons. The same as happens in the Gulf Region.

And with regard to your OP, Do you want to post comment about the possibility that there is an agreement between syria and the UK for grounds troops?

We have had a PM demanding that Assad must go! Britain is no friend of the Assad government, if it was you wouldn't have had Cameron bleating on about the mythical '70,000 moderates' that deserve our support.

[TruBlue]

John pilger seems to suggest that the suppressive government in iraq libya and syria are a good thing? Would you agree. I agree what we have is a very undesirable situation, but is leaving a government to kill people at will for any reason a good thing. John seems to suggest the countries were fine before we got there. I dont think thousands being killed for little misdemeanors or having a different opinion is a great country!

And with regard to your OP, Do you want to post comment about the possibility that there is an agreement between syria and the UK for grounds troops?

The UK ground troops in Syria comes from a BBC article. As Splotty doesn't believe a word the BBC says, how come this is different?

[Packerman]

The UK ground troops in Syria comes from a BBC article. As Splotty doesn't believe a word the BBC says, how come this is different?

twas in the daily mail too :hehe:

[Splott Dave]

The UK ground troops in Syria comes from a BBC article. As Splotty doesn't believe a word the BBC says, how come this is different?

Multiple sources have quoted it TB. The point being is that we have no right to be there. It's an incursion into a sovereign territory. It's not like it was some kind of hot pursuit from Jordan across poorly defined border regions in the desert.

We are aiding Jihadists against the legitimate government of Syria. What if the Syrian government started to aid terrorists who wanted to carry out attacks in Britain by way of retaliation?

[goslow]

What if the Syrian government started to aid terrorists who wanted to carry out attacks in Britain by way of retaliation?


Like gaddafi?

[TruBlue]

Multiple sources have quoted it TB. The point being is that we have no right to be there. It's an incursion into a sovereign territory. It's not like it was some kind of hot pursuit from Jordan across poorly defined border regions in the desert.

We are aiding Jihadists against the legitimate government of Syria. What if the Syrian government started to aid terrorists who wanted to carry out attacks in Britain by way of retaliation?

It might well be listed in numerous places, but the photos are obtained by the BBC. So why do you believe the BBC this time?

Here Sputnik News reference it

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160809/1044076708/uk-ground-troops-syria.html

They clearly say "Photographs obtained by the BBC"

I'm only interested in why you believe these photos are genuine?

[Splott Dave]

It might well be listed in numerous places, but the photos are obtained by the BBC. So why do you believe the BBC this time?

Here Sputnik News reference it

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160809/1044076708/uk-ground-troops-syria.html

They clearly say "Photographs obtained by the BBC"

I'm only interested in why you believe these photos are genuine?

"Photographs obtained by the BBC" is an attribution only. They could have been purchased by the BBC. Have a word with City photographer Carl and he'll explain all about how his photos of City games don't always get attributed to him by msm.

The BBC operates at the behest of the state pure and simple. We saw it at the time of the attack on Libya also on Iraq. The BBC did not dissent from the government line at the time. True journalism is about questioning government not cosying up to them, or worse still, just regurgitating press statements left right and center.

Who knows why they've chosen to show photographs that are almost two months old now. We can only speculate at this stage. there was an interview as well which accompanied the photographs. It could be used to prepare the public for the idea of larger forces being sent into Syria. At this stage we don't know.

Whatever the reason their very being there is illegal and could be construed as an act of war by the UK against the state of Syria. One thing's for sure they're not there assisting the Syrian government. They're not there by invitation as the Russians were.

[Splott Dave]

Like gaddafi?

What was not to like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

[goslow]

What was not to like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek

He's likeable now.

[TruBlue]

"Photographs obtained by the BBC" is an attribution only. They could have been purchased by the BBC. Have a word with City photographer Carl and he'll explain all about how his photos of City games don't always get attributed to him by msm.

The BBC operates at the behest of the state pure and simple. We saw it at the time of the attack on Libya also on Iraq. The BBC did not dissent from the government line at the time. True journalism is about questioning government not cosying up to them, or worse still, just regurgitating press statements left right and center.

Who knows why they've chosen to show photographs that are almost two months old now. We can only speculate at this stage. there was an interview as well which accompanied the photographs. It could be used to prepare the public for the idea of larger forces being sent into Syria. At this stage we don't know.

Whatever the reason their very being there is illegal and could be construed as an act of war by the UK against the state of Syria. One thing's for sure they're not there assisting the Syrian government. They're not there by invitation as the Russians were.

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.

[Splott Dave]

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

The BBC purchase lots of things TB including independently produced programmes and photo-journalist's shots which are of interest to them. You'll recall that Richard Gutjahr explained that he gave 80 live broadcasts and then copyrighted his pictures. Don't take my word for it, speak to Carl down the City.

We live in an internet age TB so if they were not real the news of it would be all over the alternative news websites by now.


As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

I said no such thing. You're doing it again.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.


There is an absence of any credible countervailing claims with regard to these photos.

[Splott Dave]

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.

Have we finished with this now TB?

https://www.rt.com/uk/355369-sas-marines-syria-isis/

[TruBlue]

The thing is you seem to be just accepting that these photos are real and so is the story. The BBC are the ones saying they "purchased" them. How do we know that is the truth, and it's not just released by the BBC? Has anyone admitted to selling them to the BBC?

If we are to agree that the BBC are a government mouthpiece or at least cosy up to the government. What is to suggest that these haven't been deliberately released by the government, but they aren't really the truth? Who knows what the agenda could be?

You seem to have just accepted they are real, with no evidence other than the BBCs word that they "purchased" them.

The BBC purchase lots of things TB including independently produced programmes and photo-journalist's shots which are of interest to them. You'll recall that Richard Gutjahr explained that he gave 80 live broadcasts and then copyrighted his pictures. Don't take my word for it, speak to Carl down the City.

We live in an internet age TB so if they were not real the news of it would be all over the alternative news websites by now.


As you've said, the BBC aren't trustworthy so why are we trusting them on this issue.

I said no such thing. You're doing it again.

Too many questions about an unknown "purchase" to believe this story, for a person such as yourself who always checks the sources of the stories.


There is an absence of any credible countervailing claims with regard to these photos.

Now you are talking nonsense. If these photos aren't real they'd not be rubbished by RT, Radioislam, PressTC, Sputnik etc as it suits their agenda.

How does anyone counterclaim anything if it's just been made up.

Come on, you often say to research your own sources. You've no idea if these photos are genuine or if the BBC really bought them. You believe they are as it suits your viewpoint.

That's fine, but at least admit you are happy to trust the BBC as a source and not be so quick to dismiss them next time someone uses them.

[Splott Dave]

Now you are talking nonsense. If these photos aren't real they'd not be rubbished by RT, Radioislam, PressTC, Sputnik etc as it suits their agenda.


You're doing it again.

How does anyone counterclaim anything if it's just been made up.

Really? Look at the counterclaims for the SITE beheadings.

Come on, you often say to research your own sources. You've no idea if these photos are genuine or if the BBC really bought them. You believe they are as it suits your viewpoint.


RT have moved the story on now TB


That's fine, but at least admit you are happy to trust the BBC as a source and not be so quick to dismiss them next time someone uses them.


I will continue to look at msm on a case by case basis as I have always done, thankyou.

[Splott Dave]

Now you are talking nonsense. If these photos aren't real they'd not be rubbished by RT, Radioislam, PressTC, Sputnik etc as it suits their agenda.

How does anyone counterclaim anything if it's just been made up.

Come on, you often say to research your own sources. You've no idea if these photos are genuine or if the BBC really bought them. You believe they are as it suits your viewpoint.

That's fine, but at least admit you are happy to trust the BBC as a source and not be so quick to dismiss them next time someone uses them.

Maybe Russia bombing the same base that has been used by UK special forces and the news today that hundreds more marines will be sent, may make some ask why we and parliament have not been asked about this?

http://www.anonews.co/russia-us-base/

https://www.rt.com/uk/355369-sas-marines-syria-isis/

[TruBlue]

I will continue to look at msm on a case by case basis as I have always done, thankyou.

As I said, it's believable when you like the story and worthy of contempt when you don't.

[Splott Dave]

As I said, it's believable when you like the story and worthy of contempt when you don't.

So you agree that they're there.They shouldn't be as they're uninvited and now it looks as if we're sending Royal Marines to train Jihadist head chopping mercenaries, who change their name by the month.

What could possibly go wrong..?

[TruBlue]

So you agree that they're there.They shouldn't be as they're uninvited and now it looks as if we're sending Royal Marines to train Jihadist head chopping mercenaries, who change their name by the month.

What could possibly go wrong..?

Where did I say I agree they are there?

[Mrs Steve R]

A blog operated by half a dozen people called "uprooted palestinians" is hardly a paragon of unbiased and accurate reporting is it now?
It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.

Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/


https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c

[goslow]

It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.



Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/


https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c

The so called palestinians are experts on faking bomb scenes so thats probably where they got the idea from.
Oddly enough before bin splott got banned someone used a link to a blog to counter some half truth/propoganda that splotto was spouting and the derision and scorn that he poured on the poster for using a blog and not some dodgy website was quite staggering.

[Mrs Steve R]

The so called palestinians are experts on faking bomb scenes so thats probably where they got the idea from.
Oddly enough before bin splott got banned someone used a link to a blog to counter some half truth/propoganda that splotto was spouting and the derision and scorn that he poured on the poster for using a blog and not some dodgy website was quite staggering.
I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.

[goslow]

I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.


Trouble with bin splottos links are they are almost always single issue websites blaming all the worlds ills on a single religious grouping(big noses no 4skins)

[goslow]

Some good newsfor a change-

London schoolgirl who flew to Syria to join IS 'feared dead'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37053699

[Mrs Steve R]

Some good newsfor a change-

London schoolgirl who flew to Syria to join IS 'feared dead'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37053699
That's what I like about you goslow, your sensitivity :biggrin: me and gluey were talking about that story when it first came out, I can't remember what they were now but there were many things that didn't add up about it.

Someone else who is not a fan of the BBC..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX4-wNPIps

[Splott Dave]

That's what I like about you goslow, your sensitivity :biggrin: me and gluey were talking about that story when it first came out, I can't remember what they were now but there were many things that didn't add up about it.

Someone else who is not a fan of the BBC..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX4-wNPIps



Just count the times that the BBC, et al have used the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights as the authoritative organisation to quote, when it comes to 'news reports' from inside Syria.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a war monitor, said helicopters dropped explosive barrels on the neighbourhoods of Seif al Dawla and Zubdiya, leading to the death of a woman and her child from suffocation.

All fine and good until you start to look at just what this organisation is in terms of news reporting. It's run from a residential house in Coventry by a man who owns a T-shirt shop there. Do the research on it then look at all of the global msm news organisations that have used it as a reliable source for the last five years.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1276933

[TruBlue]

Just count the times that the BBC, et al have used the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights as the authoritative organisation to quote, when it comes to 'news reports' from inside Syria.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a war monitor, said helicopters dropped explosive barrels on the neighbourhoods of Seif al Dawla and Zubdiya, leading to the death of a woman and her child from suffocation.

All fine and good until you start to look at just what this organisation is in terms of news reporting. It's run from a residential house in Coventry by a man who owns a T-shirt shop there. Do the research on it then look at all of the global msm news organisations that have used it as a reliable source for the last five years.


http://www.dawn.com/news/1276933

:hehe:

Maybe we should treat the link in the OP with a pinch of salt then if the BBC get up to such underhand tactics......

[goslow]

That's what I like about you goslow, your sensitivity :biggrin: me and gluey were talking about that story when it first came out, I can't remember what they were now but there were many things that didn't add up about it.

Someone else who is not a fan of the BBC..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTX4-wNPIps


You can't beat a bit of Darwinism :hehe:

[Splott Dave]

:hehe:

Maybe we should treat the link in the OP with a pinch of salt then if the BBC get up to such underhand tactics......

What it demonstrates is that to remain properly informed on issues, you have to widen your choices of sources, as Organ has pointed out this morning.

[ian gibson]

The bbc are c*nts. Their deliberate, shameful behaviour at Orgreave, where they set out to discredit and turn the nation against the striking miners, showed them for what they are really all about, and it isn't impartial journalism.

[Splott Dave]

I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.



More mainstream games?
http://www.romaniajournal.ro/false-russian-mercenary-filmed-by-sky-news-reporters-disclosed/

[Splott Dave]

As I said, it's believable when you like the story and worthy of contempt when you don't.

Maybe you should start to take a closer look at what is going on and how it's spun as 'news' to an unsuspecting public?

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/08/aleppo-six-killed-pediatricians-sign-letter-to-obama-.html#

[Mrs Steve R]

You can't beat a bit of Darwinism :hehe:
:hehe:

What it demonstrates is that to remain properly informed on issues, you have to widen your choices of sources, as Organ has pointed out this morning.
What it demonstrates is that the BBC don't do these things off their own back.


The bbc are c*nts. Their deliberate, shameful behaviour at Orgreave, where they set out to discredit and turn the nation against the striking miners, showed them for what they are really all about, and it isn't impartial journalism.
That reversed footage thing was pretty evil, it shows how easily they can show the same event in a totally different light with just a little bit of trickery, it was so long ago too, how many stories have they manipulated or made up since then? I really dread to think.

For anyone interested
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/22/orgreave-truth-police-miners-strike

[Splott Dave]

:hehe:

Maybe we should treat the link in the OP with a pinch of salt then if the BBC get up to such underhand tactics......


Sky News are at as well, fabricating 'news stories' for a gullible public.

http://www.romaniajournal.ro/sky-news-journalist-stuart-ramsay-to-be-called-for-a-lie-detector-test-lawyer-says/

[Splott Dave]

:hehe:

What it demonstrates is that the BBC don't do these things off their own back.


That reversed footage thing was pretty evil, it shows how easily they can show the same event in a totally different light with just a little bit of trickery, it was so long ago too, how many stories have they manipulated or made up since then? I really dread to think.

For anyone interested
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/22/orgreave-truth-police-miners-strike



CNN's 'heroes on the ground' for Al-Qaeda?

https://twitter.com/theLemniscat/status/763773637732294656

[Splott Dave]

I'm not getting involved in that one :biggrin: I do notice many questionable things on the news though, even Steve has had 'wtf' moments where he has rewound the tv because something looks dodgy, we are deceived more than we realise I think.

Like with people I judge web sites on their content, just because somebody does not have an expensive flashy web site it does not mean they are not honest, I also find links to lots of links to information I might not have come across had I not been on a blog site.

Here's old Rami from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the favourite go-to 'news agency' of Sky News, BBC and most mainstream newspapers in the UK.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=123357

[Splott Dave]

It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.

Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/


https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c




Yet another exposure on how the public have been duped by UK's mainstream media when it comes to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/317372-nimrod-kamer-syrian-observatory/


All of these faux news agencies have a similar theme to them. They're all against any country that Israel has deemed as an 'enemy'.

[Splott Dave]

It's hard to know what sites to trust, I think it's easier to find out which ones you don't trust first, if you have ever wondered why I'm not a fan of the BBC here is one of the many reasons, Panorama's 'Saving Syria’s Children' I have followed this story from the night it was on tv as I felt there were things not right about it, the whole programme felt fake, I must have rewound the part where they enter the room full of bomb "victims" a hundred times because I could not believe what I was watching.

Robert Stuart is a former newspaper reporter, he believes it was fabricated, in his blog you will find all correspondence between him and the BBC, independent reports and commentary, details of FOI requests ect, was it fabricated? take a look and decide for yourself, personally I think it was.

"Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged." https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/


https://youtu.be/lu6TlmHnd4c



http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36477200/brits-who-went-to-syria-by-mistake-admit-their-story-is-fake

[goslow]

Yet another exposure on how the public have been duped by UK's mainstream media when it comes to Syria.

https://www.rt.com/news/317372-nimrod-kamer-syrian-observatory/


All of these faux news agencies have a similar theme to them. They're all against any country that Israel has deemed as an 'enemy'.


So all the other links were just padding to build up to where you heading all along :hehe:

[TruBlue]

Sky News are at as well, fabricating 'news stories' for a gullible public.

http://www.romaniajournal.ro/sky-news-journalist-stuart-ramsay-to-be-called-for-a-lie-detector-test-lawyer-says/

I'm not sure if you've got this the wrong way around or not but it is you that is using the BBC as a source in this thread not me.

You must be one of those "gullible public".

You need to widen your horizons, as Organ mentioned. :thumbup:

[Splott Dave]

I'm not sure if you've got this the wrong way around or not but it is you that is using the BBC as a source in this thread not me.

You must be one of those "gullible public".

You need to widen your horizons, as Organ mentioned. :thumbup:

I have already stated, the BBC is a state run media organisation, thus its news side of the organisation simply will never put out any items which are not considered to be in the public interest, or items which compromise UK security.

The likely purpose for putting out a two month old photograph as a news item, is to prepare the British public for more military involvement to come. This further element involving Royal Marines has already been reported by RT. It's on the thread.

[life on mars]

I should imagine we have active uninvited forces in many parts of the world ,keeping an eye on the areas of the world that pose danger to normal democratic peaceful societies, I'm grateful for their watching brief.

[Splott Dave]

I should imagine we have active uninvited forces in many parts of the world ,keeping an eye on the areas of the world that pose danger to normal democratic peaceful societies, I'm grateful for their watching brief.

How does a civil war and differences in political ideology 'pose a danger to normal democratic peaceful societies'? Those 'normal democratic peaceful societies' are the same ones who initiated acts of war against states that they did not like.

Take what we now know about Libya for example:

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/e-mails-to-clinton-reveal-sarkozyfrance-supported-terrorists-in-libya-to-replace-gaddafi-motive-oil/