What problems are facing the public sector in Wales?

[tommy31]

Hi all

I'm doing a bit of research into the public sector in Wales, and would appreciate any view points question. Obviously I have my view, but in order to get the best research I'd like a good range of view points.

Any answers would be appreciated, cheers.

[Heathblue]

Hi all

I'm doing a bit of research into the public sector in Wales, and would appreciate any view points question. Obviously I have my view, but in order to get the best research I'd like a good range of view points.

Any answers would be appreciated, cheers.

Allegedly
It's vastly overstaffed

[tommy31]

Allegedly
It's vastly overstaffed

This is true, along with those who get the jobs regularly being under qualified for them. 'jobs for the boys' type. also a hell of a lot of bureaucracy

[Heathblue]

This is true, along with those who get the jobs regularly being under qualified for them. 'jobs for the boys' type. also a hell of a lot of bureaucracy

This is dependent of how you term being under qualified

You could be faced with two candidates
Candidate 1, 20 years experience and proven skills
Candidate 2, 25 letters after their name but no proven experience

Which one is under qualified ?

[Rjk]

In my opinion the biggest problem facing public services in wales is funding.
Generally across the uk public services are poorly funded at the moment, but beyond that I think there are some specific challenges for wales.

As a historical legacy from the amount of heavy industry in wales and the way it's decline was mismanaged there are a disproportionately high number of people in socioeconomic groups in Wales that have greater demands on public services.
Put bluntly poorer people have more challenging schools and have more health problems throughout their life.
I don't think that the additional challenges faced here are given the extra funding they require.

[tommy31]

This is dependent of how you term being under qualified

You could be faced with two candidates
Candidate 1, 20 years experience and proven skills
Candidate 2, 25 letters after their name but no proven experience

Which one is under qualified ?

What I meant was the people getting jobs because they've got friends in high places, rather than the conundrum that you've given. Your example is a good one of education vs experience.


In my opinion the biggest problem facing public services in wales is funding.
Generally across the uk public services are poorly funded at the moment, but beyond that I think there are some specific challenges for wales.

As a historical legacy from the amount of heavy industry in wales and the way it's decline was mismanaged there are a disproportionately high number of people in socioeconomic groups in Wales that have greater demands on public services.
Put bluntly poorer people have more challenging schools and have more health problems throughout their life.
I don't think that the additional challenges faced here are given the extra funding they require.

good answer, hadn't thought of that. Thanks!

[life on mars]

I would say it more about how it uses its funds than funding itself,seen by the rush to spend the surplus at year end.
Overburdened with managers , who don't actually manage people or budgets and sit in what was known as a clerical role .
Make it a 24/7 run service including weekends and evenings ,not just your cosy 7am to 3pm with flex time
Cut the over generous leave policy to match private sector
Review all jobs and procure younger commercial skilled employees on lower wages
To many layers in Wales from Councils through too the Welsh Assembly
To many buildings occupied ,should look at sharing
To much duplication of services each councils mirrors its service provisions ?
Better value procurement from less councils for the same services across Wales needed.
Outsource schools funding ,run them via Universities as they are more efficient commercially and it would link together he education system together as a package .

[Heathblue]

I would say it more about how it uses its funds than funding itself,seen by the rush to spend the surplus at year end.
Overburdened with managers , who don't actually manage people or budgets and sit in what was known as a clerical role .
Make it a 24/7 run service including weekends and evenings ,not just your cosy 7am to 3pm with flex time
Cut the over generous leave policy to match private sector
Review all jobs and procure younger commercial skilled employees on lower wages
To many layers in Wales from Councils through too the Welsh Assembly
To many buildings occupied ,should look at sharing
To much duplication of services each councils mirrors its service provisions ?
Better value procurement from less councils for the same services across Wales needed.
Outsource schools funding ,run them via Universities as they are more efficient commercially and it would link together he education system together as a package .

This is a good example with the road departments being guilty

[Feedback]

the biggest single issue facing public services in Wales is the welsh government or more specifically welsh labour and more specifically again it's leftIst agenda

[Rjk]

Also may be interesting to consider the ambulance service.
Wales has a poorer and therefore less well population than England.
These services are under funded in the whole if the uk, but here we also have more challenging geography and transport infrastructure that has been chronically under developed for years compared to England.

[Rjk]

I would imagine (and it'd be pretty easy to check) that wales has an older population than the rest of the uk.
We have much less immigration, some youngsters move away looking for work and some old people retire here.
People's demands on public services increase hugely in old age.

[Barry Dragon]

A public that complain about things but are not willing to try and help fix anything. Recent litter complaints and a small public backlash against council backed volunteer litter pickings come to mind.

Transport issues. Though effort has been put in to resolve many pinch points around cardiff and wider issues are on their way to having solutions approved and implemented

Education, growing class sizes, plus a baby boom that is about to hit schools, this is going to be a big issue in the coming years.

And as mentioned above, getting council to stop being tw@ts and learn to share services. Too much of a tribal feel about some councils towards each other.

[life on mars]

Think the latest poor showing of Education in Wales , and the already known poor NHS performance speaks loudly to anyone who thinks value for money and performance is being delivered or managed appropriately

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/dec/06/english-schools-core-subject-test-results-international-oecd-pisa

[TH63]

In my view WAG, and it's many sub entities, aren't "joined up" and inefficient and in some cases plain incompetent.
My biggest concern though is funding, or rather lack of, when brexit is triggered.

[Heathblue]

Been destroyed by 2 generations of Welsh Labour.

[Bluebird since 1948]

The SNP have taken Scottish education backwards too, the left cannot be trusted with our childrens future. Could it be the case that devolution will keep our general population stupid? I am big fan of devo but unless the electorate vote for more right leaning parties then we are doomed I am afraid.

[Wales-Bales]

School need to go back to teaching, and stop conducting social experiments on our kids.

[tommy31]

You cant say that on here the Socialist will shout you down from every angle. The idea of the WAG is dumb everyone down so they are brain dead Labour voters for life mate

that's certainly the way it feels right now.

[life on mars]

In my view WAG, and it's many sub entities, aren't "joined up" and inefficient and in some cases plain incompetent.
My biggest concern though is funding, or rather lack of, when brexit is triggered.

The question I would ask , how well would we use funding ??

Wales has had huge amounts of cash from the European union and can we honestly say its been spent wisely ,perhaps we should accept we are manged poorly , we are a bit like the education and NHS league in terms of being not able to run a country in a efficient way and we are way down the league , and to not be trusted with too much funding or responsibility . I can't think of anyone in the Welsh government that fills be with optimism , never mind the woeful running of public services , that cant even buy a Xmas tree .

If I was in Westminster funding Wales post Brexit is going to be hard one ,as it cannot be wasted one could wonder if it has the ability to use the money efficiently.

The people of Wales naively voted for a Brexit to vent anger ,we should have been more grown up and followed Scotland's lead , the European union was good for Wales,and we turned our back on it,so lets bring on the pain .

[Heathblue]

Hi all

I'm doing a bit of research into the public sector in Wales, and would appreciate any view points question. Obviously I have my view, but in order to get the best research I'd like a good range of view points.

Any answers would be appreciated, cheers.

The Welsh public listened to the news today of, 28 years to fix the Rail Network and Welsh politicians expect the public to trust them to run Wales :xmashehe:

[tommy31]

The Welsh public listened to the news today of, 28 years to fix the Rail Network and Welsh politicians expect the public to trust them to run Wales :xmashehe:

To be fair to Welsh politicians here, they don't currently have any control over anything to do with the rail service, that's all down to Westminster. And the British politicians expect the public to trust them to run Wales :xmashehe:

[Heathblue]

To be fair to Welsh politicians here, they don't currently have any control over anything to do with the rail service, that's all down to Westminster. And the British politicians expect the public to trust them to run Wales :xmashehe:

To suggest that Welsh politicians can exercise zero influence of rail policy in Wales is rubbish and you know it Tommy

20 years of failure :thumbup: and that is your (The Welsh Mobs problem) every single thing that has gone south you deflect to Westminster, the electorate is now seeing through this and unfortunately are voting UKIP as a protest, as Labour are finished in Wales and PC will rapidly go the same way with the blame Westminster attitude.

Please explain how Westminster decide the shutting of queen street because there is a rugby game on :thumbup: