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Norbiton Dragon
06-12-16, 13:20
Watching the results and performances under Warnock it seems we've made a step in the right direction but are still stuck in the relegation zone.
I wanted to see if what seems to be an improvement actually is and if it's enough to keep us up?
So here's my look at how Warnock has changed us over his time here and whether its working:
http://theonlystat.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/has-neil-warnock-improved-cardiff.html
Hope you enjoy it and I'd be very happy for any feedback.
the other bob wilson
06-12-16, 13:40
Watching the results and performances under Warnock it seems we've made a step in the right direction but are still stuck in the relegation zone.
I wanted to see if what seems to be an improvement actually is and if it's enough to keep us up?
So here's my look at how Warnock has changed us over his time here and whether its working:
http://theonlystat.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/has-neil-warnock-improved-cardiff.html
Hope you enjoy it and I'd be very happy for any feedback.
I'll start with a bit of a moan - I would have been very interested to have read those charts you produced, but couldn't do so because the print was so small and I don't think the coloured text helped either.
Apart from that though, I enjoyed it and it's good to see what I think is a general feeling that we've improved under Warnock backed up by statistics.
I agree with you about the selling of the two goalkeepers. To be fair to Ben Amos, who I was pretty critical of before he'd played a game for us, I've not seen him concede many goals that he could be blamed for, but, by the same token, it's hard to think of many outstanding saves from him either - might there be some goals he has let in that Marshall, or even Moore, might have prevented?
Regarding those defensive stats, the conclusion I arrive at when reading is that we should not be conceding as many goals as we are doing (there are still only two sides in the division who have let in more than us). Therefore, I wonder if sheer bad luck might be a factor in why we concede so many? I'm thinking in particular here of Huddersfield's second goal which would not have flown in like it did on nine out of ten occasions - also, we are conceding an awful lot of penalties this season.
Norbiton Dragon
06-12-16, 13:58
Sorry about the charts Bob. If you click the image it will expand to a much bigger and readable version. (I've added a line in the piece to make that clear as well.)
I think our poor defensive record is a combination of factors.
For example, Tomlin's goal when we were already 2-0 up vs Bristol City was a poor one to concede by Amos and I suspect Marshall or Moore would have stopped that.
And the penalties are a concern. Some of that is down to bad luck, but also down to poor defensive play.
Llanedeyrnblue
06-12-16, 14:49
Good read :xmasthumbup:
Has Colin improved our style of play
Has Colin improved our squad
Has Colin improved our goal scoring
Has Colin improved our under 18/23 set up
Has Colin improved our attendance
Has Colin improved our chance of survival
I'd have to say there is very little improvement if any. We have taken 4 points from the last 5 games and 3 of the games were home.
On that sort of form we are screwed.
Norbiton Dragon
06-12-16, 18:28
Thanks for the appreciation Rjk and LlanedeyrnBlue.
Think I'm missing something Tandy, sorry.
Basically we've won 3 drawn 2 and lost 3 - mid table form, from a far more difficult run of fixtures than the ones Trollope achieved relegation form in so yes, he's improved us a lot.
Thanks for the appreciation Rjk and LlanedeyrnBlue.
Think I'm missing something Tandy, sorry.
It's not you, it's Tandy.
He's missing his dad Russell.
As well as a few brain cells
It's not you, it's Tandy.
He's missing his dad Russell.
As well as a few brain cells
He will be on in a minute saying you are Liverpool fan.:xmashehe:
He will be on in a minute saying you are Liverpool fan.:xmashehe:
No, you are the Liverpool fan and TH63 is a Eric Bristow fan :xmashehe:
No, you are the Liverpool fan and TH63 is a Eric Bristow fan :xmashehe:
:xmashehe:Nasty man.
life on mars
06-12-16, 19:40
Basically we've won 3 drawn 2 and lost 3 - mid table form, from a far more difficult run of fixtures than the ones Trollope achieved relegation form in so yes, he's improved us a lot.
That about sums it up nicely and simply :thumbup:
No, you are the Liverpool fan and TH63 is a Eric Bristow fan :xmashehe:
Fwiw I can't stand Bristow, I just didn't see too much wrong with his first tweet, the subsequent tweets were a different matter.
That about sums it up nicely and simply :thumbup:
Agreed, Trollope got us into this mess, warnock is doing a decent job of trying to get us out of it.
Not yet but he will get us better...... Bout halfway up the league but sadly a decline compared to last season and at what cost?
Fwiw I can't stand Bristow, I just didn't see too much wrong with his first tweet, the subsequent tweets were a different matter.
yea yea
its all too late now, Casual has taken your " Chief Inspector of the CCMB Morality Police " badge of you, you will have to do some serious moral policing to get it back now
Norbiton Dragon
06-12-16, 20:50
That about sums it up nicely and simply :thumbup:
Yes, but *anyone* can win a few games through a bit of footballing luck, I wanted to see if what Warnock's done is likely to be sustainable. From the stats so far, it seems to be.
yea yea
its all too late now, Casual has taken your " Chief Inspector of the CCMB Morality Police " badge of you, you will have to do some serious moral policing to get it back now
He's welcome to it :hehe:
Penarth Blues
06-12-16, 21:07
Yes, but *anyone* can win a few games through a bit of footballing luck, I wanted to see if what Warnock's done is likely to be sustainable. From the stats so far, it seems to be.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to produce that analysis. It was genuinely illuminating and reassuring. I hope the stats do tell the tale in this case...
Yes, but *anyone* can win a few games through a bit of footballing luck, I wanted to see if what Warnock's done is likely to be sustainable. From the stats so far, it seems to be.
I wasnt knocking your hard work, more a response to Tandy's rather bizarre post.
I wasnt knocking your hard work, more a response to Tandy's rather bizarre post.
Not a lot of difference between Warnock and Slade's teams. Warnock is a bit more animated but, with cold analysis, we are better off than we were with Trollope, and about 25% off what we were with Slade.
If Warnock came from a teaching background, he'd be vilified here. It's only his reputation that is keeping the fanbase on side.
Penarth Blues
07-12-16, 00:07
Not a lot of difference between Warnock and Slade's teams. Warnock is a bit more animated but, with cold analysis, we are better off than we were with Trollope, and about 25% off what we were with Slade.
If Warnock came from a teaching background, he'd be vilified here. It's only his reputation that is keeping the fanbase on side.
I've been watching Cardiff for many years now and I completely disagree. Whether results are better or not, I feel a damn sight better inclined towards Warnock's teams than Slade's. This is because he seems to have a plan to take us forward and not just about do enough. Whether Slade would have been able to take this next step with the backing he'd have needed is debatable - mainly because no-one cared about the team any more regardless of the results. If you didn't feel that too then I'm surprised.
I've been watching Cardiff for many years now and I completely disagree. Whether results are better or not, I feel a damn sight better inclined towards Warnock's teams than Slade's. This is because he seems to have a plan to take us forward and not just about do enough. Whether Slade would have been able to take this next step with the backing he'd have needed is debatable - mainly because no-one cared about the team any more regardless of the results. If you didn't feel that too then I'm surprised.
Slade's "doing just about enough" never saw his team in the bottom three. I know Warnock inherited a bad set of results from Trollope, but where is the turnaround? We've had the new manager effect, it's worn off, it's time for Warnock to live up to your expectations. Not mine, I've long thought he is over-rated.
Norbiton Dragon
07-12-16, 00:26
I wasnt knocking your hard work, more a response to Tandy's rather bizarre post.
No worries. Thansk and apologies for the mis-understanding.
the other bob wilson
07-12-16, 05:05
Slade's "doing just about enough" never saw his team in the bottom three. I know Warnock inherited a bad set of results from Trollope, but where is the turnaround? We've had the new manager effect, it's worn off, it's time for Warnock to live up to your expectations. Not mine, I've long thought he is over-rated.
If we're looking purely at first team results, then you might have a point. With one exception, Warnock's team have not produced anything that could be called entertaining yet, but he's got the excuse that he inherited a team in the bottom three that was shaping up for a season long battle against the drop - what was Slade's excuse for the boring football his sides produced for two seasons? I say one exception because the Huddersfield match was a good game of football that was only equalled during Slade's time by the match with Brighton where I'm still trying to work out which of the two teams had been nobbled - maybe they both were?
Let's face it, Slade never did anything to suggest that he was interested in what was happening below first team level, whereas Warnock is attempting to shake up an Academy/Development team system which stagnated so much under our Russell. Also, Warnock's only been here about seven weeks and he's already met fans at Cardiff City Stadium, Pontypridd and Maesteg as well as paying a goodwill visit to that a company near Merthyr I believe it was, he's putting Slade (who, as far as I can recall, had just the one meeting with fans in two years) to shame in that department.
Don't judge all Slade critics by the same standards, I was supportive of him when he first arrived and defended him against those who, wrongly in my view, were against him from day one, but, after about six weeks or so, it became clear that all he could offer was a holding operation.
If a manager was only assessed on first team results, then Slade could be said to have done a decent job in testing circumstances, but there's more to it than that and he was either out of his depth or wasn't bothered about things like youth development (he's the worst Cardiff manager I've seen as far as that goes) or being an ambassador for the club - put that together with a transfer record which was mixed at best and it's clear that Warnock is as much in a different league to Slade as the two men's managerial record would suggest.
Average possession per game under Trolls - 45%
Average possession per game under Colin - 37%
Is that an improvement or is the question to complicated for you?
Average possession per game under Trolls - 45%
Average possession per game under Colin - 37%
Is that an improvement or is the question to complicated for you?
This from opta.
Opta now record possession in a football match by means of an automated calculation based on the number of passes that a team has in a game. We have two analysts, each monitoring one of the teams and they log each event in a game, totalling between 1600 and 2000 events per match.
Possession stats really mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
A shitload of 5yd passes between the defenders will boost your stats but wont indicate any dominance in a game.
Trolls 11 games in charge and his teams achieved over 50% possession on 6 occasions.
Colin 8 games in charge and his teams have yet to achieve 50% possession on any occasion.
Is that an improvement?
This from opta.
Opta now record possession in a football match by means of an automated calculation based on the number of passes that a team has in a game. We have two analysts, each monitoring one of the teams and they log each event in a game, totalling between 1600 and 2000 events per match.
Possession stats really mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
A shitload of 5yd passes between the defenders will boost your stats but wont indicate any dominance in a game.
Never mind a shed load of excuses Just answer the question. :facepalm:
Never mind a shed load of excuses Just answer the question. :facepalm:
No excuse, but if you're going to cling to possession stats to win a debate then you should know how worthless they really are.
Just had a quick look and Swansea had 40% possession against spurs on the weekend and from the result you can see how well that worked out for them.
In my opinion there is an ongoing improvement which will continue through the season, interesting to see what kind of business Warnock can get done in January.
No excuse, but if you're going to cling to possession stats to win a debate then you should know how worthless they really are.
Just had a quick look and Swansea had 40% possession against spurs on the weekend and from the result you can see how well that worked out for them.
In my opinion there is an ongoing improvement which will continue through the season, interesting to see what kind of business Warnock can get done in January.
you are trying to push water uphill
you are trying to push water uphill
Yep.
No excuse, but if you're going to cling to possession stats to win a debate then you should know how worthless they really are.
Just had a quick look and Swansea had 40% possession against spurs on the weekend and from the result you can see how well that worked out for them.
In my opinion there is an ongoing improvement which will continue through the season, interesting to see what kind of business Warnock can get done in January.
Are you saying that all football statistics are worthless or just the ones that you think are worthless?
Tell us all which statistics you think are not worthless. To lend credibility to your debate.
Are you saying that all football statistics are worthless or just the ones that you think are worthless?
Tell us all which statistics you think are not worthless. To lend credibility to your debate.
The only completely worthwhile stat is the final score, all the rest are just dressing.
I grew up watching football before stats were a thing,back then an assist was known as a pass or a cross.
Watching a game will give you a much better understanding of how a game went than umpteen stats telling you info that generally mean nothing.
Its just ,to me that possession stats are particularly worthless as they are judged on number of passes. The Swansea example should tell you that.
The OP is full of stats which you didn't question? Yet when I reply with some stats of my own you render them worthless.
The OP is trying to prove that we are improving under Colin using stats, I am countering is argument using some stats of my own.
I think the possession stat is the most important, you may believe a couple of 5 yard passes are meaningless but we seem to struggle to achieve such a feat.
The OP is full of stats which you didn't question? Yet when I reply with some stats of my own you render them worthless.
The OP is trying to prove that we are improving under Colin using stats, I am countering is argument using some stats of my own.
I think the possession stat is the most important, you may believe a couple of 5 yard passes are meaningless but we seem to struggle to achieve such a feat.
I haven't looked at the link from the OP as i'm not a lover of stats in football,that's why i haven't made any mention of them.
You posted two possession stats and asked a question of them,which i did reply to just to point out how they are arrived at, not to question the validity of them.
If you think they are important,fine. I don't, particularly through knowing how they are calculated.
thehumblegringo
07-12-16, 11:43
The more i witness Tandy's inane dribblings the more i'm leaning towards believing it's some nobhead like Barnett
This from opta.
Opta now record possession in a football match by means of an automated calculation based on the number of passes that a team has in a game. We have two analysts, each monitoring one of the teams and they log each event in a game, totalling between 1600 and 2000 events per match.
Possession stats really mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
A shitload of 5yd passes between the defenders will boost your stats but wont indicate any dominance in a game.
I used to pay a lot of attention to those stats but if you were to check our friends down west, they have higher possession stats than the opposition in virtually every game and they are bottom of the league.:sherlock:
Taunton Blue Genie
07-12-16, 12:28
Apart from the Trollopesque performance last Saturday, which was truly dire, I do think that he will get us out of the bottom three - particularly as he will be able to wheel and deal in the transfer/loan market next month.
Taunton Blue Genie
07-12-16, 12:29
I haven't looked at the link from the OP as i'm not a lover of stats in football,that's why i haven't made any mention of them.
You posted two possession stats and asked a question of them,which i did reply to just to point out how they are arrived at, not to question the validity of them.
If you think they are important,fine. I don't, particularly through knowing how they are calculated.
It's not how long you hang on to the ball but what you do with it.
You are more likely to do something with it the longer you hang on to it. It's not rocket science:facepalm:
You are more likely to do something with it the longer you hang on to it. It's not rocket science:facepalm:
Is that a quote from a sex manual.:xmashehe:
Is that a quote from a sex manual.:xmashehe:
:xmashehe:
I got that quote from the book of inane dribblings, written by GRINGO the king of the village idiots.
Eric the Half a Bee
07-12-16, 15:51
Trolls 11 games in charge and his teams achieved over 50% possession on 6 occasions.
Colin 8 games in charge and his teams have yet to achieve 50% possession on any occasion.
Is that an improvement?
Can you enlighten us as to why you believe this is important? Slade's teams often veered towards 30% possession yet I can't remember you moaning then, you duplicitous bellend.
Eric the Half a Bee
07-12-16, 16:11
You are more likely to do something with it the longer you hang on to it. It's not rocket science:facepalm:
Last season's Premier League champions had overall possession stats of 44.8%. Only Sunderland and West Brom had less of the ball. Obviously not keeping possession was a huge problem for the champions. In fact, none of the worst 5 teams in terms of possession were relegated. Leicester also had the 2nd worst pass success rate.
This season, Crystal Palace are 9th in the possession stats.
In the Championship, currently only 3 of the top 6 are in the top 3 in terms of possession stats - Birmingham are ranked 22nd. Wigan, 23rd in the table, are 7th in the possession stakes yet are the lowest scorers in the division.
You might want to keep masturbating furiously about possession stats to try and suit your agenda, but the reality is that they mean bugger all in the overall scheme of things. It's a pity you haven't the sense to notice this; actually, maybe not a pity in the sense that virtually everyone else is openly mocking your stupidity.
The top 6 teams in the premiership have the best possession percentages.
Anyone who thinks possession is not a relevant factor is as thick as shit.
We all know Eric is not the sharpest tool he's made a right tit of himself on this one.:xmashehe:
Eric the Half a Bee
07-12-16, 17:03
The top 6 teams in the premiership have the best possession percentages.
Anyone who thinks possession is not a relevant factor is as thick as shit.
No they don't. Check them.
While you're at it, can you explain Leicester's success without possession, or Wigan's utter failure with lots of it, or are you going to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda?
No they don't. Check them.
While you're at it, can you explain Leicester's success without possession, or Wigan's utter failure with lots of it, or are you going to ignore this because it doesn't suit your agenda?
Yes they do. Check them.
Anyone with an ounce of sense will realise Leicester winning the league with that possession percentage was a one off. Have a look at the last ten winners of the Prem and their percentages then come back you clown. Or are you going to ignore that because it don't suit YOUR agenda?
To get back to the main thread i doubt warnock will take us much further than safety if he too has to perticipate in the pantomime that is ccfc transfer committee!!!!
After all it has been an embarrassing disaster
Burnley won The Championship last season with equal 17th highest possession stats.
If we're looking purely at first team results, then you might have a point. With one exception, Warnock's team have not produced anything that could be called entertaining yet, but he's got the excuse that he inherited a team in the bottom three that was shaping up for a season long battle against the drop - what was Slade's excuse for the boring football his sides produced for two seasons? I say one exception because the Huddersfield match was a good game of football that was only equalled during Slade's time by the match with Brighton where I'm still trying to work out which of the two teams had been nobbled - maybe they both were?
Let's face it, Slade never did anything to suggest that he was interested in what was happening below first team level, whereas Warnock is attempting to shake up an Academy/Development team system which stagnated so much under our Russell. Also, Warnock's only been here about seven weeks and he's already met fans at Cardiff City Stadium, Pontypridd and Maesteg as well as paying a goodwill visit to that a company near Merthyr I believe it was, he's putting Slade (who, as far as I can recall, had just the one meeting with fans in two years) to shame in that department.
Don't judge all Slade critics by the same standards, I was supportive of him when he first arrived and defended him against those who, wrongly in my view, were against him from day one, but, after about six weeks or so, it became clear that all he could offer was a holding operation.
If a manager was only assessed on first team results, then Slade could be said to have done a decent job in testing circumstances, but there's more to it than that and he was either out of his depth or wasn't bothered about things like youth development (he's the worst Cardiff manager I've seen as far as that goes) or being an ambassador for the club - put that together with a transfer record which was mixed at best and it's clear that Warnock is as much in a different league to Slade as the two men's managerial record would suggest.
Best performance under Slade was Wolves away
Burnley won The Championship last season with equal 17th highest possession stats.
Because possession stats really are only a small part of the story.
Look at the away game at Forest. We had far far more decent chances yet only 30%. of possession.
Stats often used by people to back up spurious claims and this is a clear case of that
Because possession stats really are only a small part of the story.
Look at the away game at Forest. We had far far more decent chances yet only 30%. of possession.
Stats often used by people to back up spurious claims and this is a clear case of that
* this - being Tandys sudden obsession with possession stats
WJ99mobile
07-12-16, 20:50
I feel a lot more confident going forward, in an attacking sense, with NW than with Slade or PT.
Simple as that.
Eric the Half a Bee
07-12-16, 22:07
ERic - it doesnt matter about stats - the only stat at the moment that matters is - did we win or draw. At the moment I dont think care about passing stats, shots, possession etc.
Watford used to have a terrible possession rate as well as passing rate - mainly because they lumped it from the back for the tall guy to head down for someone to score - 3 touches, 3 passes. Their stats would look terrible on paper - but if they keep winning no - and I mean no one will care.
I guess there are stats, stats and damn lies to coin a phrase
Absolutely right! :)
Eric the Half a Bee
07-12-16, 22:32
Yes they do. Check them.
Anyone with an ounce of sense will realise Leicester winning the league with that possession percentage was a one off. Have a look at the last ten winners of the Prem and their percentages then come back you clown. Or are you going to ignore that because it don't suit YOUR agenda?
Stop being an arse. Not one person in this thread thinks you are talking sense.
I'll ask again. Last season Cardiff City's possession stats under Slade were ranked 14th. We finished 8th. Above Cardiff in the possession table were Brentford, Wolves, Fulham, MK Dons, Leeds, Reading and Huddersfield. 7 teams that had more possession than us but finished below us in the table. Should they have finished above us?
What is maybe interesting is that Fulham, Reading and Huddersfield had far better possession stats last season than their league position warranted (according to your reckoning). This season they are now top half teams instead of being close to relegation.
On the opposite side, Ipswich, Cardiff, QPR, Birmingham and Preston all had better league finishes than their possession stats warranted (according to your reckoning). This season, all of those, bar Birmingham, are now bottom half teams that are struggling.
If possession is such an important thing, then those teams that had good possession stats last season have reaped the benefit, while those with poor possession stats have had the opposite and seen their sides plummet.
Given all the above, the importance of possession etc, then the rot with Cardiff City was undoubtedly set last season. I wonder who was manager then?
Has Colin improved our style of play
Has Colin improved our squad
Has Colin improved our goal scoring
Has Colin improved our under 18/23 set up
Has Colin improved our attendance
Has Colin improved our chance of survival
I'd have to say there is very little improvement if any. We have taken 4 points from the last 5 games and 3 of the games were home.
On that sort of form we are screwed.
Style of play is subjective of course, but in my opinion we have more purpose going forward and are more of a goal threat nowadays and that, in my opinion is an improved style of play
Yes he has, the acquisitions of Bamba and Hoilett have improved the squad massively
Yes, under Trollope we scored 0.72 goals per game, under Warnock we've scored 1.25 goals per game
He's been here 7 weeks so I don't think we judge whether or not he's improved the youth setup, although the interest he is taking in it is positive and a step in the right direction
Yes. Average attendance under Trollope was 15,132, under Warnock it is 17,346
Yes, under Trollope I was quite concerned about the prospect of relegation, now less so
Eric the Half a Bee
07-12-16, 22:48
* this - being Tandys sudden obsession with possession stats
He's only trying to look clever, but he just makes more of an arse of himself.
*** G L O V E S ***
08-12-16, 08:39
Be careful what you say - his wife may be watching!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4010732/Neil-Warnock-wife-s-cancer-treatment-come-retirement-SEVENTH-time-charge-Cardiff-Sharon-s-ill-wanted-feet.html
the other bob wilson
08-12-16, 08:50
Best performance under Slade was Wolves away
I disagree, Wolves only managed seven home wins all last season and had only won four out of fourteen when we played up there - we played well, but benefited greatly from two of the sort of shoots from Craig Noone that have been flying into the stands for the last three seasons actually finding the net.
By contrast, Brighton were only beaten twice on their travels during the regular season last year and ended up well beaten by a City team which played with a fluency barely ever seen under Slade - the Brighton Argus headline for that game of “Sorry Albion blown away by stylish Cardiff” sticks in my mind because that adjective has been applied to a City performance only rarely in my more than half a century of supporting them and it was surely a one off under Slade's management.
GRUMPYS DEN
08-12-16, 09:03
* this - being Tandys sudden obsession with possession stats
No- he has an obsession with anything negative about CCFC as does chepstow.
No- he has an obsession with anything negative about CCFC as does chepstow.
That's rich coming from you Mr negativity, I remember when you and countless others slagged Slade off every week.
You might think Colin is doing a good job but I don't think he's doing any better than Trolls or Slade.
That's my opinion if you don't like it TOUGH.
No- he has an obsession with anything negative about CCFC as does chepstow.
I try to avoid the negative stuff now. I got so fed up of reading all last season from planks like you. I stick to facts now. Like we are third from the bottom of the champ when we finished 8th last season. Like we bought in at least 5 players in the last transfer window which 4 months later we dont want anymore even though we let better players go (Fabio, Turner, Marshall) to accomodate them. We have a transfer committee who presided over the club two first teams goakeepers being sold in 7 days?
They are negatives...... they are facts!!
We are a basket club and will be on our third manager this season before the seasons out.... not a fact an "opinion"
Pedro de la Rosa
08-12-16, 12:01
That's rich coming from you Mr negativity, I remember when you and countless others slagged Slade off every week.
You might think Colin is doing a good job but I don't think he's doing any better than Trolls or Slade.
That's my opinion if you don't like it TOUGH.
Slade you can probably argue with, I'd disagree with you but at least you can back it up, but Trollope? Come on man, stop talking out of your arse. Trollope had 12 games, we won 2, drew 2 and lost 8. Warnock has won 3, drawn 2 and lost 3. Points per game, Trollope has 0.5, Warnock has 1.375, and we've played much better opposition than under PT. That's the stat that matters most of all as well. If Warnock's form was replicated throughout a full season, we'd have got 63 points, good enough to finish 10th last season, 5 points behind us last year. If Trollope's record continued, we'd have 23 points, 7 points behind Bolton in 24th.
GRUMPYS DEN
08-12-16, 12:12
That's rich coming from you Mr negativity, I remember when you and countless others slagged Slade off every week.
You might think Colin is doing a good job but I don't think he's doing any better than Trolls or Slade.
That's my opinion if you don't like it TOUGH.
Give me a link -usual bluster without foundation.
GRUMPYS DEN
08-12-16, 12:20
I try to avoid the negative stuff now. I got so fed up of reading all last season from planks like you. I stick to facts now. Like we are third from the bottom of the champ when we finished 8th last season. Like we bought in at least 5 players in the last transfer window which 4 months later we dont want anymore even though we let better players go (Fabio, Turner, Marshall) to accomodate them. We have a transfer committee who presided over the club two first teams goakeepers being sold in 7 days?
They are negatives...... they are facts!!
We are a basket club and will be on our third manager this season before the seasons out.... not a fact an "opinion"
Planks lol-pot,kettle,black!!!Comparing where we finished last season with where we are now is hardly a good analogy-unless you have an agenda of course.Good thing us 'planks' can see right through it.Come back in May when you will have a realistic comparison to give us all.
There's a really interesting thread on **** which asks very similar questions:
http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180021
grange_end1927 has done some fine analysis there. Well done to him!
There's a really interesting thread on **** which asks very similar questions:
http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180021
grange_end1927 has done some fine analysis there. Well done to him!
I can understand copying a thread as it is a good discussion point, but how come they never credit where the original post came from?
A lot of fans read both message boards (even if they don't post) so most would know anyway.
Jimmy the Jock
08-12-16, 15:38
There's a really interesting thread on **** which asks very similar questions:
http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180021
grange_end1927 has done some fine analysis there. Well done to him!
WOW ...This Norbiton geezer has copied him almost word for word..
WOW ...This Norbiton geezer has copied him almost word for word..
But without the stats grids to back the argument up...
A bit trickier to copy and paste.
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