View Full Version : Steven Caulker
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 16:12
Remeber him? That other donkey Malky paid 8m for.
Just signed for Dundee FC in the SPL.
Phil Silvers
08-02-18, 16:17
Didn't realise he is still only 26 years old!
Looked as if he had a great future when he played for the Jacks.
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 16:18
Didn't realise he is still only 26 years old!
Looked as if he had a great future when he played for the Jacks.
Ashley Williams was in his prime then, made Caulker look better than he was.
Didn't realise he is still only 26 years old!
Looked as if he had a great future when he played for the Jacks.
He has suffered mental heath issues. Nice lad.
Pedro de la Rosa
08-02-18, 16:22
Remeber him? That other donkey Malky paid 8m for.
Just signed for Dundee FC in the SPL.
He's backed off attackers that far he's ended up in Dundee. He's had his demons and I feel for him but we should have known that from Malky's "dossiers". Half the messageboard knew he was a pisshead when we signed him!
BuyingManCityTickets
08-02-18, 16:22
He has suffered mental heath issues. Nice lad.
Alcohol, gambling and depression.
I wouldnt laugh as his downfall. Someone like ravel morrison I would though. Still cant believe we were cheering for him a the time!!!
Alcohol, gambling and depression.
I wouldnt laugh as his downfall. Someone like ravel morrison I would though. Still cant believe we were cheering for him a the time!!!
Had to re read that to work out what you meant then.
Remeber him? That other donkey Malky paid 8m for.
Just signed for Dundee FC in the SPL.
Sold for about the same though? An average journeymen like most of the premier league these days. Quite mad to think England have no world class players these days
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 17:12
Sold for about the same though? An average journeymen like most of the premier league these days. Quite mad to think England have no world class players these days
Selling him for the same is scant consolation after being relegated and losing millions.
If Milky had spent the kitty Tan gave him wisely we could still be in the Prem. Albeit in red so every cloud and all that.
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 17:13
Sold for about the same though? An average journeymen like most of the premier league these days. Quite mad to think England have no world class players these days
Harry Kane is world class, so is Kyle Walker for his position.
Is Kane? What’s he done, he hasn’t even won a trophy yet? Leagues, nothing at all in Europe and let’s not talk about England hey....this summer we might see how good he is in Russia. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a class act but not world class yet
Steven Caulker was 22 when we signed him, an England international, had previously played brilliantly for Swansea in the Premier League and was talked about as a a future England captain. Spurs fans were seething when we picked him up for £8m.
He was viewed as a great signing at the time, unfortunately he's had mental health issues and I wish him all the best
I thought he was decent when we signed him. Didn't we get back what we paid for him?
OurManFlint II
08-02-18, 17:43
Steven Caulker was 22 when we signed him, an England international, had previously played brilliantly for Swansea in the Premier League and was talked about as a a future England captain. Spurs fans were seething when we picked him up for £8m.
He was viewed as a great signing at the time, unfortunately he's had mental health issues and I wish him all the best
Exactly.
Thought he was one of our better performers that year. Went on to play another 25 plus games the following season in the premier league, albeit in another relegation side.
Don't understand some of these comments.
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 17:49
For mental health issues read pisshead and a gambler.
And before anyone jumps on my case I’ve suffered depression, ironically because I was gambling and drinking too much, so I know it’s just a self pitying cop out to blame the mental health for the gambling and drinking.
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 17:50
Exactly.
Thought he was one of our better performers that year. Went on to play another 25 plus games the following season in the premier league, albeit in another relegation side.
Don't understand some of these comments.
He’s been relegated more times than Sunderland
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 17:52
Steven Caulker was 22 when we signed him, an England international, had previously played brilliantly for Swansea in the Premier League and was talked about as a a future England captain. Spurs fans were seething when we picked him up for £8m.
He was viewed as a great signing at the time, unfortunately he's had mental health issues and I wish him all the best
Future England captain😂
I remember some fool on **** claiming we had the future spine of the England team in Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell 😂😂
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 17:53
I thought he was decent when we signed him. Didn't we get back what we paid for him?
We could have signed Curtis Davies for a quarter of the price and he done a better job in keeping Hull in the division.
ccfc_is_my_life
08-02-18, 18:06
Exactly.
Thought he was one of our better performers that year. Went on to play another 25 plus games the following season in the premier league, albeit in another relegation side.
Don't understand some of these comments.
Mistake prone, often caught out of position.
If we'd bought him from say Leyton Orient he'd have been absolutely slaughtered for those mistakes.
Caulker looked good alongside Williams at Swansea. Every other club he's basically been crap. Liverpool bizarrely loaned him and he played more up front than at the back! Based upon that I'd say Wiliams made him look better than he really is.
But someone on here said he was a GREAT player. !!!!!
:popcorn:
:hehe:
Future England captain��
I remember some fool on **** claiming we had the future spine of the England team in Moore, Caulker, Mutch and Campbell ����
22 and an England international, touted as a future regular and looked like he was a future captain
Hindsight is 20/20 but I can't recall people calling for Curtis Davies when we signed Caulker
22 and an England international, touted as a future regular and looked like he was a future captain
Hindsight is 20/20 but I can't recall people calling for Curtis Davies when we signed Caulker
Seems like his mental state has led him astray somewhat. When he was younger at spurs he must have been ok, he seemed ok with us but obv needed someone string next to him like Williams, who was in his prime then. He did score a memorable goal that beat the jacks and took us above Man Utd I think.....
Steve the Tea
08-02-18, 19:47
Steven Caulker was 22 when we signed him, an England international, had previously played brilliantly for Swansea in the Premier League and was talked about as a a future England captain. Spurs fans were seething when we picked him up for £8m.
He was viewed as a great signing at the time, unfortunately he's had mental health issues and I wish him all the best
Well said, City123. There's much that could be said about these revisionists but Malky was the best manager during my time following Cardiff City followed by Jimmy Scoular.
For a matter of balance, whatever Caulker and Medel cost us we recouped the fees when they were subsequently sold so I doubt they were overpriced. It appears Malky's two major targets when we went up were Wanyama and Vardy. A failure to inctease both bids, by £1m and £0.2m respectively ended our interest in the players. That we didn't get them was a decision made by others at the Club.
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If we'd signed Curtis Davies and Hull signed Caulker, the same would have happened. We went down because we were dreadfully disorganised from January onwards, not because of the quality of first teamer we had.
ccfc_is_my_life
08-02-18, 19:56
Well said, City123. There's much that could be said about these revisionists but Malky was the best manager during my time following Cardiff City followed by Jimmy Scoular.
For a matter of balance, whatever Caulker and Medel cost us we recouped the fees when they were subsequently sold so I doubt they were overpriced. It appears Malky's two major targets when we went up were Wanyama and Vardy. A failure to inctease both bids, by £1m and £0.2m respectively ended our interest in the players. That we didn't get them was a decision made by others at the Club.
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Oh so it wasn't the decision of the players then?
Wanyama and Vardy were chased by other clubs in better positions than we were. Even if we increased transfer offers for those, it hardly follows those players would have wanted to be here.
OurManFlint II
08-02-18, 20:29
Mistake prone, often caught out of position.
If we'd bought him from say Leyton Orient he'd have been absolutely slaughtered for those mistakes.
Caulker looked good alongside Williams at Swansea. Every other club he's basically been crap. Liverpool bizarrely loaned him and he played more up front than at the back! Based upon that I'd say Wiliams made him look better than he really is.
Like i said one of our better performers that season. 3rd top goal scorer that year.
If we'd signed Curtis Davies and Hull signed Caulker, the same would have happened. We went down because we were dreadfully disorganised from January onwards, not because of the quality of first teamer we had.
We were poor throughout the season, not just after january.
From an Xg point of view we looked doomed from early days, just a few surprising results kept us above the waterline, but that was never sustainable.
Caulker was a bit of a gamble, if he had fulfilled his potential and became a mainstay for England he would have been worth many times what we paid for him. He didn't and with hindsight we would have been better off signing some hardened veteran defender who might only have a couple of seasons left in him, but would have been a guaranteed performer.
Exactly the same gamble we made with Cornelius. Neither came off.
As it happens I dont mind that particular kind of gamble, if we went up again.
ccfc_is_my_life
08-02-18, 21:08
Like i said one of our better performers that season. 3rd top goal scorer that year.
3rd top goal scorer for us that year isn't exactly an achievement.
Immune from any criticism as people bought into the Echo "Premiership star" hype.
Croesy Blue
08-02-18, 21:11
Is Kane? What’s he done, he hasn’t even won a trophy yet? Leagues, nothing at all in Europe and let’s not talk about England hey....this summer we might see how good he is in Russia. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a class act but not world class yet
Do you have to win something to be world class? He’s scored 20 goals plus in all his full top flight seasons and Real Madrid want to sign him.
By your measure if Messi was playing for Aston Villa he wouldn’t be world class any more but Park Ji Sung who won it all with man united would be.
Croesy Blue
08-02-18, 21:48
For mental health issues read pisshead and a gambler.
And before anyone jumps on my case I’ve suffered depression, ironically because I was gambling and drinking too much, so I know it’s just a self pitying cop out to blame the mental health for the gambling and drinking.
Didn’t realise you were a medical professional
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 21:54
Didn’t realise you were a medical professional
You don’t realise a lot of things Snowflake
J R Hartley
08-02-18, 21:58
If we'd signed Curtis Davies and Hull signed Caulker, the same would have happened. We went down because we were dreadfully disorganised from January onwards, not because of the quality of first teamer we had.
We went down because the team that got promoted were not good enough and the players we added were not up to the task either.
We spent 35m that summer, probably the equivalent of 70-80m now, and spent it poorly, whilst Hull spent a third of that but bought Premiership experience.
And it’s not hindsight I said it at the time.
The fact we got our money back for Caulker and Mendel is scant consolation after being relegated.
Exactly.
Thought he was one of our better performers that year. Went on to play another 25 plus games the following season in the premier league, albeit in another relegation side.
Don't understand some of these comments.
OMG THIS POST JUST MADE ME SPIT MY TEA ALL OVER MYSELF LOL
what a ****ing joke!!!!
the other bob wilson
09-02-18, 03:50
3rd top goal scorer for us that year isn't exactly an achievement.
Immune from any criticism as people bought into the Echo "Premiership star" hype.
Or they actually watched the games and judged him on what he was doing rather than indulge in a warped version of hindsight years later. Caulker acknowledged himself that he had an opportunity he didn't take at Cardiff, so he shares some of the blame for our failure - of course he does. However, if we'd had ten more who played to the standard Caulker did throughout 13/14 I believe we would have stayed up - it's old territory that has been gone over many times before, but, for me, the appointment of Ole was the single thing which did for us, rather than signings like Caulker and Medel (I accept Cornelius was a terrible buy at that price).
What cannot be proved is whether we would have stayed up under Mackay or not, but what is fact is that, with seventeen points from eighteen matches at the time he was dismissed, we would have stayed up if we had managed to double that figure in the twenty matches which remained - about a third of which were at home to sides who were in relegation trouble themselves at the time Mackay was sacked. What is also fact is that we had beaten the only two sides in relegation trouble we had faced at home up to then with the winning goal coming from Caulker in the win over the jacks - on paper, we had an easier fixture list to come under Ole than we went through under Mackay.
Anyway, back to Caulker. The facts are for all those who want to slag him off that he played for three more Premier League clubs after he left us, so there were still plenty of clubs out there who thought he was a chance worth taking despite the issues he had which were becoming more apparent by the season - I'm not going to kick someone when they're down, in fact I wish him all the best at Dundee.
Or they actually watched the games and judged him on what he was doing rather than indulge in a warped version of hindsight years later. Caulker acknowledged himself that he had an opportunity he didn't take at Cardiff, so he shares some of the blame for our failure - of course he does. However, if we'd had ten more who played to the standard Caulker did throughout 13/14 I believe we would have stayed up - it's old territory that has been gone over many times before, but, for me, the appointment of Ole was the single thing which did for us, rather than signings like Caulker and Medel (I accept Cornelius was a terrible buy at that price).
What cannot be proved is whether we would have stayed up under Mackay or not, but what is fact is that, with seventeen points from eighteen matches at the time he was dismissed, we would have stayed up if we had managed to double that figure in the twenty matches which remained - about a third of which were at home to sides who were in relegation trouble themselves at the time Mackay was sacked. What is also fact is that we had beaten the only two sides in relegation trouble we had faced at home up to then with the winning goal coming from Caulker in the win over the jacks - on paper, we had an easier fixture list to come under Ole than we went through under Mackay.
Anyway, back to Caulker. The facts are for all those who want to slag him off that he PLAYED for three more Premier League clubs after he left us, so there were still plenty of clubs out there who thought he was a chance worth taking despite the issues he had which were becoming more apparent by the season - I'm not going to kick someone when they're down, in fact I wish him all the best at Dundee.
Cumon now, even for a level headed person like yourself, played is stretching the truth a little bit.
Yes he played 50 games in QPR's relegation, but to then say he played for Southamton and Liverpool, 6 games in total, is as I say, stretching it a bit.
Croesy Blue
09-02-18, 08:33
You don’t realise a lot of things Snowflake
Exactly and I know it, hence why I don’t make sweeping generalisations and assume I’m correct. Maybe if you could do the same you wouldn’t come across so ignorant and bitter.
We were poor throughout the season, not just after january.
From an Xg point of view we looked doomed from early days, just a few surprising results kept us above the waterline, but that was never sustainable.
Caulker was a bit of a gamble, if he had fulfilled his potential and became a mainstay for England he would have been worth many times what we paid for him. He didn't and with hindsight we would have been better off signing some hardened veteran defender who might only have a couple of seasons left in him, but would have been a guaranteed performer.
Exactly the same gamble we made with Cornelius. Neither came off.
As it happens I dont mind that particular kind of gamble, if we went up again.
For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.
Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 09:24
Exactly and I know it, hence why I don’t make sweeping generalisations and assume I’m correct. Maybe if you could do the same you wouldn’t come across so ignorant and bitter.
I think youll find you do it all the time. State your opinion as fact.
Anyway, go and find Croesy if you want a spat, not here to be a substitue for him.
Lets keep the thread on point theres a good lad.
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 09:30
For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.
Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 09:36
Or they actually watched the games and judged him on what he was doing rather than indulge in a warped version of hindsight years later. Caulker acknowledged himself that he had an opportunity he didn't take at Cardiff, so he shares some of the blame for our failure - of course he does. However, if we'd had ten more who played to the standard Caulker did throughout 13/14 I believe we would have stayed up - it's old territory that has been gone over many times before, but, for me, the appointment of Ole was the single thing which did for us, rather than signings like Caulker and Medel (I accept Cornelius was a terrible buy at that price).
What cannot be proved is whether we would have stayed up under Mackay or not, but what is fact is that, with seventeen points from eighteen matches at the time he was dismissed, we would have stayed up if we had managed to double that figure in the twenty matches which remained - about a third of which were at home to sides who were in relegation trouble themselves at the time Mackay was sacked. What is also fact is that we had beaten the only two sides in relegation trouble we had faced at home up to then with the winning goal coming from Caulker in the win over the jacks - on paper, we had an easier fixture list to come under Ole than we went through under Mackay.
Anyway, back to Caulker. The facts are for all those who want to slag him off that he played for three more Premier League clubs after he left us, so there were still plenty of clubs out there who thought he was a chance worth taking despite the issues he had which were becoming more apparent by the season - I'm not going to kick someone when they're down, in fact I wish him all the best at Dundee.
That is not a fact. West Brom had 36 points. If we double 17 thats 34, and even calculating Malkys points per game rate after 18 games over the course of 38 games doesnt get you to 36 points.
Besides, other games not involving us could have played out differently had we managed to get closer to safety so its specualtion not fact.
A Quiet Monkfish
09-02-18, 09:39
We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.
Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 09:39
For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.
Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
For the 2nd half of the season we had to go away to most of the top half of the table. And our home games were mainly against teams also scrapping for their lives so theres an argument to make that 2nd half of the season was a more difficult set of fixtures.
Either way the squad wasnt good enough, not considering what Malky had at his disposal in the summer, and what OGS added wasnt good enough either, albeit he didnt have a fraction of what Malky had to spend. Two very poor transfer windows.
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 09:41
Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...
Hull and Palace squads were no better equipped at the end of the Championshop season before but they used their (much lower) budgets far wiser than we did.
We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.
Thanks for repeating your point again but thats not what the post you quoted addressed.
For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.
Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
Ourselves and Fulham had the worst xG throughout the season , and unsurprisingly we ended up in the bottom 2 positions.
Not sure if I still have the data but I'll look.
Badly Ironed Shirt
09-02-18, 10:02
At the time Caulker signed, I remember it being lauded as a great signing on here. Hindsight vision is 20-20.
Pedro de la Rosa
09-02-18, 10:06
Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...
Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.
Pedro de la Rosa
09-02-18, 10:07
At the time Caulker signed, I remember it being lauded as a great signing on here. Hindsight vision is 20-20.
We didn't know he was a gambling, alcoholic but people in football did. We did know he was banned from clubs and pubs in Swansea though, and if we knew that clubs would know more.
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 10:13
We didn't know he was a gambling, alcoholic but people in football did. We did know he was banned from clubs and pubs in Swansea though, and if we knew that clubs would know more.
Malkys dossiers should have picked this up
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 10:18
Thanks for repeating your point again but thats not what the post you quoted addressed.
I dont think that point was repeated was it? Not on this thread anyway?
Just offering a reason (besides the obvious - OGS) why we were worse in the 2nd half of the season, and agreeing with the post you replied to that we were poor throughout the season not just after January.
Malkys dossiers should have picked this up
It was posted on here at the time we signed him, that the only reason spurs got rid of him was he'd got steaming drunk at a club function and became abusive to friends of the chairman
Croesy Blue
09-02-18, 10:39
I think youll find you do it all the time. State your opinion as fact.
Anyway, go and find Croesy if you want a spat, not here to be a substitue for him.
Lets keep the thread on point theres a good lad.
I don’t think I do I think it’s more you are such a “snowflake” yourself that you don’t seem to be able to handle any contrary opinion to your own narrow world view.
J R Hartley
09-02-18, 11:27
I don’t think I do I think it’s more you are such a “snowflake” yourself that you don’t seem to be able to handle any contrary opinion to your own narrow world view.
The irony meter just smashed into a million pieces.
I see he scored for Dundee last night.
I see he scored for Dundee last night.
And conceded 3 against 10 men
dembethewarrior
14-02-18, 15:30
Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.
How many failed dossiers did Malky have?
Pedro de la Rosa
14-02-18, 15:38
How many failed dossiers did Malky have?
His signings in the Championship were very good.
Mackay signed Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Amondarain, KTC, Odemwingie and Medel in the Premier League season. Only Caulker and Medel contributed to any real extent and we lost money on the rest.
dembethewarrior
14-02-18, 15:45
His signings in the Championship were very good.
Mackay signed Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Amondarain, KTC, Odemwingie and Medel in the Premier League season. Only Caulker and Medel contributed to any real extent and we lost money on the rest.
I know and agree.
But surely if people in foot all circles knew about caulker then Malky would have? Can't criticise his performances for us a great deal , but these "dossiers" need to be questioned.
Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.
I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.
BuyingManCityTickets
14-02-18, 15:50
I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.
Cornelius was a dreadful buy that is clear as day.
I mean we saw so much of his ability after his 8 appearances off the bench in the premier league. All in the dying seconds of the game and the majority coming off a long term injury
dembethewarrior
14-02-18, 15:57
I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.
16 from 30 million being good buys first season in the PL has to be seen as poor (just my opinion)
You need as much value as possible with not much room for error, 50 percent of the money spent wasn't "good value"
Pedro de la Rosa
14-02-18, 16:30
I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.
Including Caulker, we bought 2 players that were PL quality. The rest weren't, and our squad wasn't. Cornelius absolutely had to come off if we had any chance to survive, and we all know what happened there. Mackay signed Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Amondarain, KTC, Odemwingie and Medel in the Premier League season. Caulker was a drunk and Medel was asked to put out fires all over the pitch.
ccfc_is_my_life
14-02-18, 18:14
Cornelius was a dreadful buy that is clear as day.
I mean we saw so much of his ability after his 8 appearances off the bench in the premier league. All in the dying seconds of the game and the majority coming off a long term injury
For £10m he was a dreadful buy.
Remember our manager at the time touted him as being able to score the goals that would keep us in the Prem, handed him the no 9 shirt... then in quick fashion downgraded him to "one for the future".
At £1m, lower wages he'd have been a non-issue and given more time.
OurManFlint II
14-02-18, 18:21
For £10m he was a dreadful buy.
Remember our manager at the time touted him as being able to score the goals that would keep us in the Prem, handed him the no 9 shirt... then in quick fashion downgraded him to "one for the future".
At £1m, lower wages he'd have been a non-issue and given more time.
Gary Madine at 6mm could quite easily surpass any previous purchase for that coveted 'waste of money' signing top spot. I couldn't believe my ears when they quoted that figure last night on the commentary. :angry:
Spot on - I still can’t see where we think 6m is a decent price.
Tan had his fingers burnt before, perhaps he’s agreed as he now has a get out if he fails to deliver.
ccfc_is_my_life
14-02-18, 18:46
That assumes the figure was £6m.
May well involve addons that could take it to that if the clauses are achieved.
Cornelius was a dreadful buy that is clear as day.
I mean we saw so much of his ability after his 8 appearances off the bench in the premier league. All in the dying seconds of the game and the majority coming off a long term injury
I rate Caulker as a worse signing, just 2 million less and did 20x more dmg to our survival hopes.
That assumes the figure was £6m.
May well involve addons that could take it to that if the clauses are achieved.
I thought that when the dust had settled and the Bolton statement had been released we were left with a £5m fee (not the £6m that was touted earlier) that included performance add-ons but that Cardiff had agreed to pay the core fee (the part that excludes add-ons) immediately and not by annual instalments (over several years) which seems to be the normal practice. Still a high price but maybe not as OTT as some have suggested.
dembethewarrior
14-02-18, 19:36
I thought that when the dust had settled and the Bolton statement had been released we were left with a £5m fee (not the £6m that was touted earlier) that included performance add-ons but that Cardiff had agreed to pay the core fee (the part that excludes add-ons) immediately and not by annual instalments (over several years) which seems to be the normal practice. Still a high price but maybe not as OTT as some have suggested.
So possibly say 3.5-4 million in one hit rather than over 5 years.. 1-1.5 dependent on whatever add ons they agreed to?
OurManFlint II
14-02-18, 20:47
So possibly say 3.5-4 million in one hit rather than over 5 years.. 1-1.5 dependent on whatever add ons they agreed to?
The guys on CCFC world who work for City said 6. Didn't go into the structure but clearly said 6 than clarified it was 6 when the co-commentator, like myself questioned it. I trust them when they say 6.
dembethewarrior
14-02-18, 21:32
The guys on CCFC world who work for City said 6. Didn't go into the structure but clearly said 6 than clarified it was 6 when the co-commentator, like myself questioned it. I trust them when they say 6.
I have no idea, but it's just I treating to speculate.
Like I made a thread About, it's given Ken a boot up the arse so could be worth it alone to get him going, and from wjat I've seen of Madine he looks just fine.
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