Fan against Fan?

[Louth]

Over the last few months I've read that Tan has set fan against fan. This is supposedly down to the change to red.
Being from Ireland I'm no expert, but I can't keep thinking this is a load of bollox. I didn't hear this when we won the championship. I didn't hear this in the premiership either.
As mentioned I'm no expert, but do fans feel a small minority walked away because of the mindset of some fans?
Lack of so called mindset? NP was no St. James's Park, no matter what **** say. We turned into a family club, something that I'm proud about.
These so called fans walked away on principle? Yet were happy to put up with Clemo, Terlezki, Grogan (9 seated plane) Hamman and Risdale?
Personally I think many of them miss a side of CCFC that most of us are delighted to see the end of.

I've had a few pints, I might be waffling a bit here.

[Louth]

I read that again, I've definitely drunk too much.

[Croesy Blue]

Do you live in Ireland? I thought you would have mentioned that once or twice before!

[Louth]

Yes I do.

[Superdad]

Over the last few months I've read that Tan has set fan against fan. This is supposedly down to the change to red.
Being from Ireland I'm no expert, but I can't keep thinking this is a load of bollox. I didn't hear this when we won the championship. I didn't hear this in the premiership either.
As mentioned I'm no expert, but do fans feel a small minority walked away because of the mindset of some fans?
Lack of so called mindset? NP was no St. James's Park, no matter what **** say. We turned into a family club, something that I'm proud about.
These so called fans walked away on principle? Yet were happy to put up with Clemo, Terlezki, Grogan (9 seated plane) Hamman and Risdale?
Personally I think many of them miss a side of CCFC that most of us are delighted to see the end of.

I've had a few pints, I might be waffling a bit here.

Clemo was the chairman with the 9 seated plane. Grogan was apparently pretty decent , but he was way before my time.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Over the last few months I've read that Tan has set fan against fan. This is supposedly down to the change to red.
Being from Ireland I'm no expert, but I can't keep thinking this is a load of bollox. I didn't hear this when we won the championship. I didn't hear this in the premiership either.
As mentioned I'm no expert, but do fans feel a small minority walked away because of the mindset of some fans?
Lack of so called mindset? NP was no St. James's Park, no matter what **** say. We turned into a family club, something that I'm proud about.
These so called fans walked away on principle? Yet were happy to put up with Clemo, Terlezki, Grogan (9 seated plane) Hamman and Risdale?
Personally I think many of them miss a side of CCFC that most of us are delighted to see the end of.

I've had a few pints, I might be waffling a bit here.

Ok, so let's get this straight. You live in Ireland so, presumably, didn't see some of the incidents and arguments I saw at CCS. Yet, from your vantage point in the Emerald Isles, you feel qualified enough to dismiss it as "bollux".

Please tell me you are exempt from things such as Jury service.

[Louth]

Ok, so let's get this straight. You live in Ireland so, presumably, didn't see some of the incidents and arguments I saw at CCS. Yet, from your vantage point in the Emerald Isles, you feel qualified enough to dismiss it as "bollux".

Please tell me you are exempt from things such as Jury service.

Attendances were higher when we played in red while in the Championship.

Please tell me you're a member of the local drama group

I attend several games a season. Many friends are ST holders. Not once have I heard about this.
Yo

[tomm]

Attendances were higher when we played in red while in the Championship.

Please tell me you're a member of the local drama group

I attend several games a season. Many friends are ST holders. Not once have I heard about this.
Yo

People still had the Riddler's price freeze back then. They counted ST holders who didn't show up. The telling thing is the number of ST holders that didn't renew after that offer expired

[BuyingManCityTickets]

Attendances were higher when we played in red while in the Championship.

Please tell me you're a member of the local drama group

I attend several games a season. Many friends are ST holders. Not once have I heard about this.
Yo

a good part of that was the cut off point for season ticket purchases being well before the end of the premier league season.

So people were buying them in hope we'd stay up, then being lumped with watching the most unorganised football I've have ever witnessed with Solskjaer

edit - but I suppose we were red when we got promoted werent we...

[insider]

We`ve obviously got a problem with returning fans and thats for them to decide in my book.
from getting to the FA cup final to the change of colour and relegation from the Premier league we had added about 8 thousand fans on top of the 15 to 16 thousand we had averaged for 10 years before that.
Those extra fans did n`t need much of excuse to disappear it`s as simple as that.
I would concede there was a group of hard core support in that 8 thousand that would still be going if we never changed colour.

[Former Labour leader]

We`ve obviously got a problem with returning fans and thats for them to decide in my book.
from getting to the FA cup final to the change of colour and relegation from the Premier league we had added about 8 thousand fans on top of the 15 to 16 thousand we had averaged for 10 years before that.
Those extra fans did n`t need much of excuse to disappear it`s as simple as that.
I would concede there was a group of hard core support in that 8 thousand that would still be going if we never changed colour.

I doubt if that hard core is over 1k. It would be interesting to know.

[Harry Monk]

We`ve obviously got a problem with returning fans and thats for them to decide in my book.
from getting to the FA cup final to the change of colour and relegation from the Premier league we had added about 8 thousand fans on top of the 15 to 16 thousand we had averaged for 10 years before that.
Those extra fans did n`t need much of excuse to disappear it`s as simple as that.
I would concede there was a group of hard core support in that 8 thousand that would still be going if we never changed colour.

They'll all be driving taxis in Cardiff in a few years time "I haven't been down the City since they changed the shirt colour". The "sold Toshack" taxi drivers will be dead by then.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Attendances were higher when we played in red while in the Championship.

Please tell me you're a member of the local drama group

I attend several games a season. Many friends are ST holders. Not once have I heard about this.
Yo


A Keep Cardiff Blue meeting was gate crashed by a few fans who hurled abuse and threats at those in attendance.

A march before the Man City league game (I was at the march, but not at the game) saw a number of fans throwing insults at each other.

I was pushed by 2 blokes when doing a blue scarf raising protest at one game and was told "we play in effing red now".

Which part of fan v fan do those incidents fail to meet?

[BlueWales]

As far as the 1927 Club was concerned red certainly turned fan against fan.

Half stopped going and the other half are now called London Bluebirds.

Only one or two anti reds have come back to watch City.

[dml1954]

As far as the 1927 Club was concerned red certainly turned fan against fan.

Half stopped going and the other half are now called London Bluebirds.

Only one or two anti reds have come back to watch City.

If true, thats their loss. We are Cardiff City and play in blue again now. Whats the point in having a protest about wearing the red and then not coming back when they won the argument and the colurs were changed back ?.

[NYCBlue]

If true, thats their loss. We are Cardiff City and play in blue again now. Whats the point in having a protest about wearing the red and then not coming back when they won the argument and the colurs were changed back ?.

They're probably still protesting the Tan regime. And the indignity of having to have a Chinese dragon incorporated into our club crest.

[dml1954]

They're probably still protesting the Tan regime. And the indignity of having to have a Chinese dragon incorporated into our club crest.


Possibly but I dont remember them bringing that into the argument at the time - they just wanted the colours changed back, which they were. Perhaps they will never be happy. Dont see a problem with the altered crest personally - the bluebird is prominent and the dragon is important in Wales as well. Most clubs change their crest/badge regularly.

[Gofer Blue]

Possibly but I dont remember them bringing that into the argument at the time - they just wanted the colours changed back, which they were. Perhaps they will never be happy. Dont see a problem with the altered crest personally - the bluebird is prominent and the dragon is important in Wales as well. Most clubs change their crest/badge regularly.

So they can sell more replica shirts at absurd prices.

[NYCBlue]

Possibly but I dont remember them bringing that into the argument at the time - they just wanted the colours changed back, which they were. Perhaps they will never be happy. Dont see a problem with the altered crest personally - the bluebird is prominent and the dragon is important in Wales as well. Most clubs change their crest/badge regularly.

I don't know. I'm just speculating. They obviously have their reasons.

[Hilts]

Fan v Fan was a myth. Didnt see one argument over Tan ever. Not saying there werent any but if there was a big issue im sure id have seen something.

[thehumblegringo]

It's gone now and it's something I'd like to see left in the past.

[J R Hartley]

Groundhog Day. Boring. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Igovernor]

They're probably still protesting the Tan regime. And the indignity of having to have a Chinese dragon incorporated into our club crest.
Actually it's a Welsh dragon tail pointing up, chinese dragon tail is down

[jamieccfc]

Fan v Fan was a myth. Didnt see one argument over Tan ever. Not saying there werent any but if there was a big issue im sure id have seen something.

I've seen a few arguments nearly come to blows where one is just trying to say let it go and support the team but only at away games. I don't get how bis can make out it was the red bullying blue because that simply wasn't true

[NYCBlue]

Actually it's a Welsh dragon tail pointing up, chinese dragon tail is down

You better tell Tan that.

“The new crest has been designed in house at Cardiff City,” said Tan. “It is very good and I am happy. The dragon this time is an Oriental dragon".

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Fan v Fan was a myth. Didnt see one argument over Tan ever. Not saying there werent any but if there was a big issue im sure id have seen something.

Of course it's a myth. Fans bursting into meetings issuing threats was all made up. History being conveniently rewritten here.

[Lawnmower]

I've seen a few arguments nearly come to blows where one is just trying to say let it go and support the team but only at away games. I don't get how bis can make out it was the red bullying blue because that simply wasn't true

There were some alleged threats at the start and then lots of arguments, but fan v fan was unnecessary and anything that went beyond arguments is more a reflection on those .

Let's face it, we didn't need Tan to set fan v fan it's been going on as long as I can remember.

Even now we bizarrely have ex fans who delight in anything that doesn't go right and thus setting themselves against the remaining fans and they without doubt are the instigators now as those who still go have moved on without them

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I've seen a few arguments nearly come to blows where one is just trying to say let it go and support the team but only at away games. I don't get how bis can make out it was the red bullying blue because that simply wasn't true

Where did I say it was "red bullying blue"?

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

There were some alleged threats at the start and then lots of arguments, but fan v fan was unnecessary and anything that went beyond arguments is more a reflection on those .

Let's face it, we didn't need Tan to set fan v fan it's been going on as long as I can remember.

Even now we bizarrely have ex fans who delight in anything that doesn't go right and thus setting themselves against the remaining fans and they without doubt are the instigators now as those who still go have moved on without them

So much so that you run off to other forums to discuss one of those instigators! You haven't moved on, and neither has the club judging by the piss poor attendances in a promotion chasing season.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

They're probably still protesting the Tan regime. And the indignity of having to have a Chinese dragon incorporated into our club crest.

Most I know refuse to go until Tan has left. The current badge is not a source of angst from speaking to a number of people I know who no longer attend.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I doubt if that hard core is over 1k. It would be interesting to know.

We will not know - but the crowds are barely hitting 18000, and the last season pre rebrand saw crowds never dipping below 20000 and the team were doing not so well in the League.

[Louth]

We will not know - but the crowds are barely hitting 18000, and the last season pre rebrand saw crowds never dipping below 20000 and the team were doing not so well in the League.

Pre rebrand? So what was the average attendance the first season in red?

[NYCBlue]

Pre rebrand? So what was the average attendance the first season in red?

Over 22,000. Slightly higher than the previous couple of seasons.

[The Lone Gunman]

Kinda funny that this subject gets brought up today of all days. :-)

[Nobody's Rep]

There were some alleged threats at the start and then lots of arguments, but fan v fan was unnecessary and anything that went beyond arguments is more a reflection on those .

Let's face it, we didn't need Tan to set fan v fan it's been going on as long as I can remember.

Even now we bizarrely have ex fans who delight in anything that doesn't go right and thus setting themselves against the remaining fans and they without doubt are the instigators now as those who still go have moved on without them

I remember a Cardiff fan getting punched out cold into the canton stand at ninian for allegedly looking at someone else, I remember mark Watkins (rip) relating a story on here about a fan throwing up on his partners handbag I think, I saw a bloke have another bloke by the throat at the Carling cup final and on and on in terms of fan v fan - over different eras for different reasons - some people like to use physical strength to prove their point - that won't change what tends to change is the subject/issue

[dembethewarrior]

Do you live in Ireland? I thought you would have mentioned that once or twice before!

Relevant to the point he was making.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Kinda funny that this subject gets brought up today of all days. :-)

:hehe:

[dembethewarrior]

Like deja vu reading the same few people post the same lost almost word for word in the 15047382 thread.

Some people don't need to write their opinions, we know it word for word.

[jamieccfc]

There were some alleged threats at the start and then lots of arguments, but fan v fan was unnecessary and anything that went beyond arguments is more a reflection on those .

Let's face it, we didn't need Tan to set fan v fan it's been going on as long as I can remember.

Even now we bizarrely have ex fans who delight in anything that doesn't go right and thus setting themselves against the remaining fans and they without doubt are the instigators now as those who still go have moved on without them

I don't get it if I decided that was it which I don't think I could I wouldn't get involved in anything Cardiff city never mind looking for any negative I could against the club each to their own I suppose

[Lawnmower]

So much so that you run off to other forums to discuss one of those instigators! You haven't moved on, and neither has the club judging by the piss poor attendances in a promotion chasing season.

They were already discussing you. Nothing I haven't said on here or would to your face.
But then, unlike TLG, the late Mike Roderick etc.. all of whom I argued with, but got on with, ( argued the toss with Dave for bloody years before Tan was even thought of) because they were/are likeable people you are anonymous and seem only to want to try to bring everybody else down to your miserable level.

As for attendances that's a whole debate which has been done a thousand times before.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I don't get it if I decided that was it which I don't think I could I wouldn't get involved in anything Cardiff city never mind looking for any negative I could against the club each to their own I suppose

This is still a football board, is it not? I still watch football, I still talk about the game, and I still value the opinions and friendships I have formed on here. I will be going to watch Cardiff at some point in the future, I just refuse to do so whilst Tan is at the club.

My presence on this board only becomes an issue when I say something ludicrously anti-Cardiff like Bennett's tackle on Sane was awful, and Cardiff fans should show a bit more dignity instead of "Pray for Sane" type threads.

Strangely, lawnmower has taken the debate to other forums - I remember him enjoying a thread I had on here that was detailing what I thought Cardiff needed on an opponent by opponent basis. As always with the lawnmower, it only becomes an issue if you have the gall to disagree with him.

He's being completely selective in claiming that there's always been a fan v fan issue at Cardiff. There is at every club, but 2012-13 took it to low levels from my observations. That other people didn't see some of the things I mentioned doesn't really mean that those things didn't happen - or does it?

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

They were already discussing you. Nothing I haven't said on here or would to your face.
But then, unlike TLG, the late Mike Roderick etc.. all of whom I argued with, but got on with, ( argued the toss with Dave for bloody years before Tan was even thought of) because they were/are likeable people you are anonymous and seem only to want to try to bring everybody else down to your miserable level.

As for attendances that's a whole debate which has been done a thousand times before.

There's only one thing worse than being talked about, and that's not being talked about. :hehe:


If I gave you my name, what difference would it make?

[thehumblegringo]

Badly Ironed Shirt is Roath I'm 95% convinced of it

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Badly Ironed Shirt is Roath I'm 95% convinced of it

And, because you are convinced by this - it now becomes fact.

[Lawnmower]

This is still a football board, is it not? I still watch football, I still talk about the game, and I still value the opinions and friendships I have formed on here. I will be going to watch Cardiff at some point in the future, I just refuse to do so whilst Tan is at the club.

My presence on this board only becomes an issue when I say something ludicrously anti-Cardiff like Bennett's tackle on Sane was awful, and Cardiff fans should show a bit more dignity instead of "Pray for Sane" type threads.

Strangely, lawnmower has taken the debate to other forums - I remember him enjoying a thread I had on here that was detailing what I thought Cardiff needed on an opponent by opponent basis. As always with the lawnmower, it only becomes an issue if you have the gall to disagree with him.

He's being completely selective in claiming that there's always been a fan v fan issue at Cardiff. There is at every club, but 2012-13 took it to low levels from my observations. That other people didn't see some of the things I mentioned doesn't really mean that those things didn't happen - or does it?

Not just a case of disagreeing though is it. Check the thread. You would post about 4 times, mostly rubbish each time I mentioned anything, even when I was directly addressing someone else. Even when I agreed to disagree with him as it was becoming a waste of time.

I know I defend the club a lot and I'm certainly not ashamed of that. I think too few pander to those who hate us from the outside. If you look at other clubs there's plenty like me.

I also use my own personal experiences to make my mind up, rather than relying on others to do it for me.
I'm happy with that.


However you seem unwilling to admit that you jump on every negative forvthe club with glee. If you can't see how that pisses off loyal fans of the club and leads them to think you are a weirdo then there's something wrong with you.

I have plenty of good debate on here with the other posters, it's just you who I find ridiculous.

End of debate for me

I would put you on ignore, but this board doesn't seem to have an ignore button.

😂

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Not just a case of disagreeing though is it. Check the thread. You would post about 4 times, mostly rubbish each time I mentioned anything, even when I was directly addressing someone else. Even when I agreed to disagree with him as it was becoming a waste of time.

I know I defend the club a lot and I'm certainly not ashamed of that. I think too few pander to those who hate us from the outside. If you look at other clubs there's plenty like me.

I also use my own personal experiences to make my mind up, rather than relying on others to do it for me.
I'm happy with that.


However you seem unwilling to admit that you jump on every negative forvthe club with glee. If you can't see how that pisses off loyal fans of the club and leads them to think you are a weirdo then there's something wrong with you.

I have plenty of good debate on here with the other posters, it's just you who I find ridiculous.

End of debate for me

I would put you on ignore, but this board doesn't seem to have an ignore button.

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Just click on my profile and click on ignore user. Glad I can help you.

[Lawnmower]

Just click on my profile and click on ignore user. Glad I can help you.

Tried that. Doesn't work on the phone.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Tried that. Doesn't work on the phone.

Then you're stuck with me, and my objectivity. :hehe:

[Michael Morris]

Kinda funny that this subject gets brought up today of all days. :-)

2143

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

2143

:hehe:

[dembethewarrior]

2143

Was a kid in the family stand on the weekend with a red shirt, jacket open.

Seen red flags there against Man City also.

[tomm]

2143

Weirdest I’ve ever felt at the football. It was eye opening how many people lapped up those ****ing scarves.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Weirdest I’ve ever felt at the football. It was eye opening how many people lapped up those ****ing scarves.

I saw people carrying 4 or 5. I remember a few of us with blue scarves giving other blue scarf wearers a thumbs up. Weirdest I've ever felt at football too, and I only watched 2 games at Cardiff after that night. It was plainly obvious that PL football won the battle over club history about 17-0 that night.

[Baloo]

Weirdest I’ve ever felt at the football. It was eye opening how many people lapped up those ****ing scarves.
A steward mocked me as I entered the ground because I refused one.

[Superdad]

They're probably still protesting the Tan regime. And the indignity of having to have a Chinese dragon incorporated into our club crest.

:hehe:

[Superdad]

Your a bitter man Jirga

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Your a bitter man Jirga

Says he who responds to everything I say on this subject :hehe:

[BlueWales]

They're probably still protesting against the Tan regime. And the indignity of having to have a Chinese dragon incorporated into our club crest.

Just put that right for you ex pat.