Chris Hughton

[Bruce Foxton]

Firstly,let me qualify what I am about to ask by saying that I love Neil Warnock and what he has done for the club since he became manager.BUT....legend has it that Chris Hughton was interviewed for the City job when Dave Jones was sacked,but his PowerPoint presentation had the badges of another club on it(West Ham?)Obviously this didn’t go down too well with his prospective employers,and Malky Mackay was given the job.The question I am asking is,would you rather be where we are now,or would you rather Hughton was given the job and his career played out as it has at Brighton?Bear in mind the Malky racism episode which caused so much bad feeling, and the subsequent poor replacements,but also remember the red would probably have happened as well.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Firstly,let me qualify what I am about to ask by saying that I love Neil Warnock and what he has done for the club since he became manager.BUT....legend has it that Chris Hughton was interviewed for the City job when Dave Jones was sacked,but his PowerPoint presentation had the badges of another club on it(West Ham?)Obviously this didn’t go down too well with his prospective employers,and Malky Mackay was given the job.The question I am asking is,would you rather be where we are now,or would you rather Hughton was given the job and his career played out as it has at Brighton?Bear in mind the Malky racism episode which caused so much bad feeling, and the subsequent poor replacements,but also remember the red would probably have happened as well.

You can't know what would have happened had Hughton taken the job. As I remember, the board seemed more keen on getting the big named Alan Shearer to Cardiff. There are no guarantees that Hughton would have achieved at Cardiff what he later achieved at Brighton. However, he would have had a large transfer budget that would have helped him along. He wouldn't have survived the Premier League season, the club had laid its foundations on quick sand and the empire was always doomed to topple over.

It has a better chance next season when they are in the Premier League.

The Malky racism tweets were discovered AFTER he was sacked. Not saying that makes them okay - far from it - but he wasn't sacked because of them.

[Bruce Foxton]

You can't know what would have happened had Hughton taken the job. As I remember, the board seemed more keen on getting the big named Alan Shearer to Cardiff. There are no guarantees that Hughton would have achieved at Cardiff what he later achieved at Brighton. However, he would have had a large transfer budget that would have helped him along. He wouldn't have survived the Premier League season, the club had laid its foundations on quick sand and the empire was always doomed to topple over.

It has a better chance next season when they are in the Premier League.

The Malky racism tweets were discovered AFTER he was sacked. Not saying that makes them okay - far from it - but he wasn't sacked because of them.

It’s a very good point you make about having a better chance next season.Its a hypothetical question I’m asking though,and it’s asked on the assumption that Hughton’s career plays out the same as it has at Brighton.Who knows,Tan might have had a better working relationship with Hughton and better recruitment would have been in place :shrug:

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

It’s a very good point you make about having a better chance next season.Its a hypothetical question I’m asking though,and it’s asked on the assumption that Hughton’s career plays out the same as it has at Brighton.Who knows,Tan might have had a better working relationship with Hughton and better recruitment would have been in place :shrug:

He may, possibly, have bought with an eye on the bigger picture. I thought that Mackay was buying promotion in 2013, and he wasn't looking beyond that. Hughton strikes me as a more confident person who, as a result of that confidence, may have recruited players that could have competed in a higher division. In fact, he has done it at Brighton.

Hughton has got Brighton to survive one season in the PL, so given that he would have been a better option than Mackay,

Cardiff's difficulties next season are that they will not be better than Wolves nor Fulham (if Fulham go up). When Cardiff win on Sunday, fans should be backing Derby in the play-offs because Derby will be straight back down. I also think that Cardiff need Huddersfield and Swansea to stay up this season. If they do, and if Fulham don't win the play-offs, there are already three teams worse than Cardiff in the Premier League. The other problem will be Warnock. Those tactics will cost them.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

You can't know what would have happened had Hughton taken the job. As I remember, the board seemed more keen on getting the big named Alan Shearer to Cardiff. There are no guarantees that Hughton would have achieved at Cardiff what he later achieved at Brighton. However, he would have had a large transfer budget that would have helped him along. He wouldn't have survived the Premier League season, the club had laid its foundations on quick sand and the empire was always doomed to topple over.

It has a better chance next season when they are in the Premier League.

The Malky racism tweets were discovered AFTER he was sacked. Not saying that makes them okay - far from it - but he wasn't sacked because of them.

As has been proven, trusting YOUR memory is not something to be relied upon

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

As has been proven, trusting YOUR memory is not something to be relied upon

So, Cardiff weren't trying to get Alan Shearer then?

Everyone's memory is fallible. It's a scientific fact.

[Bruce Foxton]

I seem to remember the tweets were made public after he was sacked,but the implication was Tan knew about them beforehand and subsequently led to his sacking.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

I seem to remember the tweets were made public after he was sacked,but the implication was Tan knew about them beforehand and subsequently led to his sacking.

His poor memory almost certainly means your observation is spot on

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I seem to remember the tweets were made public after he was sacked,but the implication was Tan knew about them beforehand and subsequently led to his sacking.

We will probably never know. What we do know is that Cardiff had been hammered by Southampton the day before (3-0), and people on this board were claiming that directors left the director's box and went to the board room to discuss things whilst the game was ongoing. It seems more of a "footballing" decision to me, especially after Mackay complained he needed more money to buy players just a week or so earlier.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

We will probably never know. What we do know is that Cardiff had been hammered by Southampton the day before (3-0), and people on this board were claiming that directors left the director's box and went to the board room to discuss things whilst the game was ongoing. It seems more of a "footballing" decision to me, especially after Mackay complained he needed more money to buy players just a week or so earlier.

Are you sure people on this board were claiming that?

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

His poor memory almost certainly means your observation is spot on

Yes, and it was just a coincidence Cardiff were hammered the day before with Tan calling director's into the boardroom whilst the game was ongoing.

After beating Swansea on November 3rd, Cardiff won 1 in 8 games. The manager was publicly asking for more money. In my opinion, it was a footballing decision and the evidence points that way.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Are you sure people on this board were claiming that?

Yes I am. I know I wasn't at the game, and I know I read things of that nature on here at the time, and indeed I commented on them. I am not saying that that is what happened, but I am saying those were the reports.

Here is the match report from WalesOnline - Tan left his seat with 5 minutes to go according to the reporter.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-match-reports/cardiff-city-0-3-southampton-malky-6446298

[dembethewarrior]

You can't know what would have happened had Hughton taken the job. As I remember, the board seemed more keen on getting the big named Alan Shearer to Cardiff. There are no guarantees that Hughton would have achieved at Cardiff what he later achieved at Brighton. However, he would have had a large transfer budget that would have helped him along. He wouldn't have survived the Premier League season, the club had laid its foundations on quick sand and the empire was always doomed to topple over.

It has a better chance next season when they are in the Premier League.

The Malky racism tweets were discovered AFTER he was sacked. Not saying that makes them okay - far from it - but he wasn't sacked because of them.

Can't say we would have gone up, but can say we WOULD have come down :hehe: have a night off you thick ****.

The scenario proposed was "The question I am asking is,would you rather be where we are now,or would you rather Hughton was given the job and his career played out as it has at Brighton?"

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

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Dembe - I am really sorry, no idea if you are replying to me or not - but you do seem to crop up a lot when I post. I have you on ignore, I can't really remember why, but I suspect I had a good reason to do it, and I have no reason to reverse it. Sorry fella, just thought I'd let you know to save you the effort (if you are actually responding to me).

[Father Dougal]

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Dembe - I am really sorry, no idea if you are replying to me or not - but you do seem to crop up a lot when I post. I have you on ignore, I can't really remember why, but I suspect I had a good reason to do it, and I have no reason to reverse it. Sorry fella, just thought I'd let you know to save you the effort (if you are actually responding to me).

You should take him off ignore. He was being very complimentary in his post about you actually.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

You should take him off ignore. He was being very complimentary in his post about you actually.

Vanity is not a valid reason that take him off ignore. I can't remember why I did put him on ignore but it would have been a valid reason. After all, I have yet to come up with a reason n to put you on ignore, no matter how hard I try!

[Father Dougal]

Vanity is not a valid reason that take him off ignore. I can't remember why I did put him on ignore but it would have been a valid reason. After all, I have yet to come up with a reason n to put you on ignore, no matter how hard I try!

More memory problems?

(Jokes.........)

Nos da.

[thehumblegringo]

As has been proven, trusting YOUR memory is not something to be relied upon

Didn't Vincent Tan phone Carl while he was interviewing Shearer for his opinion or something?

[The Bob Banker Spanker]

Didn't Vincent Tan phone Carl while he was interviewing Shearer for his opinion or something?

:hehe: baD dESisHuN

[dml1954]

He may, possibly, have bought with an eye on the bigger picture. I thought that Mackay was buying promotion in 2013, and he wasn't looking beyond that. Hughton strikes me as a more confident person who, as a result of that confidence, may have recruited players that could have competed in a higher division. In fact, he has done it at Brighton.

Hughton has got Brighton to survive one season in the PL, so given that he would have been a better option than Mackay,

Cardiff's difficulties next season are that they will not be better than Wolves nor Fulham (if Fulham go up). When Cardiff win on Sunday, fans should be backing Derby in the play-offs because Derby will be straight back down. I also think that Cardiff need Huddersfield and Swansea to stay up this season. If they do, and if Fulham don't win the play-offs, there are already three teams worse than Cardiff in the Premier League. The other problem will be Warnock. Those tactics will cost them.

How do you know that we wont be better than Wolves or Fulham if we are in the Premier League next year. Do you have a crystal ball ?. You have no idea who we will sign or how much we will spend. Wolves and Fulham will also lose players like Neves, Jota, Sessegnon etc to bigger clubs. You make it up as you go along. Why dont you try and say something positive about City for a change.

[thehumblegringo]

:hehe: baD dESisHuN


Don't worry Carl missed the call cos he was out social eyesing with Athletico Balaeres fans (for those interested) :hehe:

[sneggyblubird]

How do you know that we wont be better than Wolves or Fulham if we are in the Premier League next year. Do you have a crystal ball ?. You have no idea who we will sign or how much we will spend. Wolves and Fulham will also lose players like Neves, Jota, Sessegnon etc to bigger clubs. You make it up as you go along. Why dont you try and say something positive about City for a change.

I'm quite confident that promotion to the PL will see a change of style somewhat.For me,endorsed when apparently the other night on the Debate(sky)Bellamy's answer to Murphy's assertion that Cardiff won't survive playing our current style was answered with "lets see when we get there first"hinting that the current managerial encumbant is well aware of our shortcommings in relation to the PL.

[Father Dougal]

I'm quite confident that promotion to the PL will see a change of style somewhat.For me,endorsed when apparently the other night on the Debate(sky)Bellamy's answer to Murphy's assertion that Cardiff won't survive playing our current style was answered with "lets see when we get there first"hinting that the current managerial encumbant is well aware of our shortcommings in relation to the PL.

Warnock has already said it would be to model on Burnley.

Which means to get relegated in first season (everyone forgets dyche took Burnley straight back down) then have a go at going back up and surviving.

[the other bob wilson]

Are you sure people on this board were claiming that?

It was being claimed at the time that Tan left the ground at half time (Southampton scored all of their goals in the first half an hour I think).

[the other bob wilson]

We will probably never know. What we do know is that Cardiff had been hammered by Southampton the day before (3-0), and people on this board were claiming that directors left the director's box and went to the board room to discuss things whilst the game was ongoing. It seems more of a "footballing" decision to me, especially after Mackay complained he needed more money to buy players just a week or so earlier.

It's not my recollection that Tan knew about the racist tweets before Mackay was sacked. Wasn't there something about Tan getting an injunction to search Mackay and Moody's homes months after they were dismissed by City and it was then that they were found?

This piece would appear to confirm that because it says they were discovered in 2014.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/cardiff-city/11047646/Malky-Mackay-texts-scandal-the-damning-evidence-discovered-by-Cardiff-chairman-Vincent-Tan.html

As for Chris Hughton, he was sacked as Norwich manager a few weeks before their relegation along with us was confirmed and he signed a big money striker in Ricky van Wolfswinkel who was almost as much of a disaster as Andreas Cornelius was. However, Hughton's managerial record over a number of years has been a good one and I reckon he would have been an excellent appointment for us.

[Harry Monk]

Firstly,let me qualify what I am about to ask by saying that I love Neil Warnock and what he has done for the club since he became manager.BUT....legend has it that Chris Hughton was interviewed for the City job when Dave Jones was sacked,but his PowerPoint presentation had the badges of another club on it(West Ham?)Obviously this didn’t go down too well with his prospective employers,and Malky Mackay was given the job.The question I am asking is,would you rather be where we are now,or would you rather Hughton was given the job and his career played out as it has at Brighton?Bear in mind the Malky racism episode which caused so much bad feeling, and the subsequent poor replacements,but also remember the red would probably have happened as well.

I think that Tan was too involved in signing players and picking the team on occasions, so the same would have happened who ever was manager. The change to red gave the club a toxic atmosphere, and the "we'll always be blue" chants at every game were probably not conducive to a good supporting atmosphere (and I mean supporting for the players on the pitch), making the stadium seem quite negative. This isn't a criticism of the chants, because I was one chanting at every game and who never bought anything with the Tan crest or in red (In fact, whilst we have the red ferret on the badge, I still haven't bought any merchandise). However, the protest ensured we went back to blue, so achieved what was intended - leaving the team to develop as it has.

[dembethewarrior]

Tans team selections this season have pretty much been spot on, his decision to loan out Tomlin may work in our favour too.