Brazil set to join the anti-globalists?

[Wales-Bales]

Already in the team are US, Russia, Japan, Turkey, China, India, Saudi Arabia and Italy. That's a lot of economic firepower! Why is Britain so keen to stay attached to the EU sinking ship?

[life on mars]

Already in the team are US, Russia, Japan, Turkey, China, India, Saudi Arabia and Italy. That's a lot of economic firepower! Why is Britain so keen to stay attached to the EU sinking ship?

Because politicians on both sides tell us so.

[Wales-Bales]

Because politicians on both sides tell us so.
Someone, somewhere, must have one hell of a big dirt file!

[Rjk]

Already in the team are US, Russia, Japan, Turkey, China, India, Saudi Arabia and Italy. That's a lot of economic firepower! Why is Britain so keen to stay attached to the EU sinking ship?

It's not really a team though is it? These nations aren't working together in any tangible way are they?
Italy won't be leaving the EU any time soon. The right wing party even dropped it As a policy because it wasn't popular.
And if you think that China isn't keen on globalization then you really haven't been paying attention, just they want it on their terms.

I have visited each of those countries and I would take the EU over any of them.

[Wales-Bales]

It's not really a team though is it? These nations aren't working together in any tangible way are they?
Italy won't be leaving the EU any time soon. The right wing party even dropped it As a policy because it wasn't popular.
And if you think that China isn't keen on globalization then you really haven't been paying attention, just they want it on their terms.

I have visited each of those countries and I would take the EU over any of them.
So you support stripping the wealth from the middle classes, outsourcing jobs which affects the working classes, while allowing the few at the top to accumulate great wealth?

[CardiffIrish2]

So you support stripping the wealth from the middle classes, outsourcing jobs which affects the working classes, while allowing the few at the top to accumulate great wealth?

Yeah you’re right, after all the ordinary working class folk in Russia, Saudi Arabia and China have so much wealth and freedom of choice compared to those living in France, Germany, Holland etc.....

[lardy]

Yeah you’re right, after all the ordinary working class folk in Russia, Saudi Arabia and China have so much wealth and freedom of choice compared to those living in France, Germany, Holland etc.....

:hehe:

As if all those things are unique to the EU.

[Wales-Bales]

Yeah you’re right, after all the ordinary working class folk in Russia, Saudi Arabia and China have so much wealth and freedom of choice compared to those living in France, Germany, Holland etc.....
Of course people are better off in those countries, as they have benefitted from the transfer of wealth. China was still in the stone age before the West off-shored all of their manufacturing there. Now they have a growing middle class and increasing prosperity at our expense.

[the other bob wilson]

Of course people are better off in those countries, as they have benefitted from the transfer of wealth. China was still in the stone age before the West off-shored all of their manufacturing there. Now they have a growing middle class and increasing prosperity at our expense.

So "China was still in the stone age before the West off-shored all of their manufacturing there" - you are saying that the Chinese people would not be enjoying the standard of living they are now if it wasn't for globalsists then? I would have thought that would be a good thing for them and that's what you appear to be saying, but obviously it cannot be the case because, as you are always telling us, everything the globalists do is pure evil.

[Wales-Bales]

So "China was still in the stone age before the West off-shored all of their manufacturing there" - you are saying that the Chinese people would not be enjoying the standard of living they are now if it wasn't for globalsists then? I would have thought that would be a good thing for them and that's what you appear to be saying, but obviously it cannot be the case because, as you are always telling us, everything the globalists do is pure evil.
China had strategic political goals. They knew that by taking away manufacturing capicity from western countries and offering them cheaper products in return, that they would ultimately weaken them. You just have to look at all the subsidized steel and aluminium that they were dumping onto the world markets. They were also interested in obtaining IP from the West by any means, especially the military stuff.

[Organ Morgan.]

Already in the team are US, Russia, Japan, Turkey, China, India, Saudi Arabia and Italy. That's a lot of economic firepower! Why is Britain so keen to stay attached to the EU sinking ship?

I'd love to know the reasons why globalists (AKA the powers that be for those who dislike the G-word) have allowed the world's population to grow to 7.6 billion [2018 UN estimate] when they always bemoan humankind's contribution to climate change and fret about the depletion of finite natural resources.

Deagel, a respected defence site, has been producing population and economic forecasts for the year 2025 since 2012, and predict the arch globalist countries and/or predominently white majority countries will suffer the most with Germany, Ireland, USA and especially the UK (whose population and GDP will decline by 75%+ and 90%+, respectively) enduring the greatest tumult.

Their reasoning is found at the foot of each page. The UK forecast is on page 2. http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx?pag=1&sort=GDP&ord=DESC

[Rjk]

China had strategic political goals. They knew that by taking away manufacturing capicity from western countries and offering them cheaper products in return, that they would ultimately weaken them. You just have to look at all the subsidized steel and aluminium that they were dumping onto the world markets. They were also interested in obtaining IP from the West by any means, especially the military stuff.

That doesn't appear to have answered the question.

[Wales-Bales]

That doesn't appear to have answered the question.
Maybe it wasn't a very good question or the answer is too complex for casual observers, but going back to the OP, Brazilians are one step away from turning their backs on globalism.

[Rjk]

I'd love to know the reasons why globalists (AKA the powers that be for those who dislike the G-word) have allowed the world's population to grow to 7.6 billion [2018 UN estimate] when they always bemoan humankind's contribution to climate change and fret about the depletion of finite natural resources.

Deagel, a respected defence site, has been producing population and economic forecasts for the year 2025 since 2012, and predict the arch globalist countries and/or predominently white majority countries will suffer the most with Germany, Ireland, USA and especially the UK (whose population and GDP will decline by 75%+ and 90%+, respectively) enduring the greatest tumult.

Their reasoning is found at the foot of each page. The UK forecast is on page 2. http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx?pag=1&sort=GDP&ord=DESC

That website is one of the more ludicrous anyone has posted here, and that is some achievement.
USA population reduced by 250 million
UK and Germany both reduced by 50 million

Do you honestly think this is going to happen?

[lardy]

The population of the UK is going to drop by 90% in the next seven (nearer six) years?

Organ Morgan uses "respected" in a different way to everyone else.

[Organ Morgan.]

65M to 14.5M population is around a 75%+ decline and if you care to peruse their UK GDP forecast it's 90%+ decline, which is what I wrote. Blaming the messenger is one thing, misquoting too is bad form.

[lardy]

65M to 14.5M population is around a 75%+ decline and if you care to peruse their UK GDP forecast it's 90%+ decline, which is what I wrote. Blaming the messenger is one thing, misquoting too is bad form.

My apologies. But let's be honest, it's like the difference between predicting City win 15-0 or 18-0 at anfield. Neither is going to happen. It does maintain your record of apocalyptic predictions though.

[Organ Morgan.]

That website is one of the more ludicrous anyone has posted here, and that is some achievement.
USA population reduced by 250 million
UK and Germany both reduced by 50 million

Do you honestly think this is going to happen?

No, I don't, nor do they they will prove accurate. They've explained their methodology... economic collapse resulting in mass emigration. They also say Western countries are cooking the economic books and producing fake stats.

If you care to check to quotes below, Trump did indeed say all of them.

"The unemployment numbers are fake." - Trump 2016.

"The Fed is being political keeping rates low." - Trump 2016.

"The economy is a big fat ugly bubble from low interest rates." - Trump 2016.

"The Fed should keep rates low to help me out." - Trump 2018.

"The economy is the best in history." - Trump 2018.

"The unemployment numbers prove everything is great." - Trump 2018.

19 times Trump called jobs numbers ‘fake’ before they made him look good: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a6ed0bcd388c

[Rjk]

No, I don't, nor do they they will prove accurate. They've explained their methodology... economic collapse resulting in mass emigration. They also say Western countries are cooking the economic books and producing fake stats.

If you care to check to quotes below, Trump did indeed say all of them.

"The unemployment numbers are fake." - Trump 2016.

"The Fed is being political keeping rates low." - Trump 2016.

"The economy is a big fat ugly bubble from low interest rates." - Trump 2016.

"The Fed should keep rates low to help me out." - Trump 2018.

"The economy is the best in history." - Trump 2018.

"The unemployment numbers prove everything is great." - Trump 2018.

19 times Trump called jobs numbers ‘fake’ before they made him look good: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a6ed0bcd388c

It's quite easy to look back at archived versions of that site where this fantasist has made predictions in the past.
In 2007 he was making predictions about the year 2017. His prediction for the UK was that GDP was going to be halved and millions of the population would leave taking it down to around 60 million.
I may not have been paying complete attention, but I don't remember either of those things happening.
But of course "western countries are cooking the books" so perhaps it did happen.

Perhaps this wasn't getting his website enough hits, because from then on he really started to crank up the apocalyptic nature of his predictions. For 2020 the prediction was a uk population of 50 million, 250 million for the US.

It is nothing more than a libertarian fantasy.

[life on mars]

So "China was still in the stone age before the West off-shored all of their manufacturing there" - you are saying that the Chinese people would not be enjoying the standard of living they are now if it wasn't for globalsists then? I would have thought that would be a good thing for them and that's what you appear to be saying, but obviously it cannot be the case because, as you are always telling us, everything the globalists do is pure evil.

I do find the anti capitalists/globalist rants funny , but enjoy its outputs

[the other bob wilson]

Maybe it wasn't a very good question or the answer is too complex for casual observers, but going back to the OP, Brazilians are one step away from turning their backs on globalism.

You're doing your David Brent impersonation in this thread aren't you. Fair play to you, you've got him down to a tee :hehe:.

All I'm doing is attempting to understand what you are trying to say in this thread. You start off talking about an anti globalist team (your word, not mine), but there appears to be a distinct lack of team spirit around if you are to be believed.

[CardiffIrish2]

Maybe it wasn't a very good question or the answer is too complex for casual observers, but going back to the OP, Brazilians are one step away from turning their backs on globalism.


Slightly condescending but as you’re going there it’s a ridiculous assertion to say there’s some sort of team between the aforementioned nations when two of them are engaging in a trade war.

[CardiffIrish2]

You're doing your David Brent impersonation in this thread aren't you. Fair play to you, you've got him down to a tee :hehe:.

All I'm doing is attempting to understand what you are trying to say in this thread. You start off talking about an anti globalist team (your word, not mine), but there appears to be a distinct lack of team spirit around if you are to be believed.


It’s too complex for us mere mortals TOBW, I feel suitably admonished by the ridiculous contradiction.

[lardy]

Slightly condescending but as you’re going there it’s a ridiculous assertion to say there’s some sort of team between the aforementioned nations when two of them are engaging in a trade war.

The next line will be that the mainstream media are keeping it all secret.

[Wales-Bales]

Slightly condescending but as you’re going there it’s a ridiculous assertion to say there’s some sort of team between the aforementioned nations when two of them are engaging in a trade war.
As the old saying goes the enemy of my enemy is my friend. China want a new international banking sytem to compete with the globalist one. Also the new Silk Road is not a globalist construct. With Trump on the scene the dynamics have changed, now it's about trade and national interest, so they are both on the same anti-globalist team.. which is growing and not shrinking.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Mr Bump

[Wales-Bales]

Mr Bump
And? They are obviously going to kick globalist butt whether they are good or bad, but they always seem to be universally bad without exception when it comes to the liberal media. When an article starts off with "far-right", you just know it's not going to end well! :biggrin:

[cyril evans awaydays]

And? They are obviously going to kick globalist butt whether they are good or bad, but they always seem to be universally bad without exception when it comes to the liberal media. When an article starts off with "far-right", you just know it's not going to end well! :biggrin:

Oh, that Bolsonaro!

[Wales-Bales]

Oh, that Bolsonaro!
I wish I could bump some of your posts, but you've never actually said anything original :biggrin:

[cyril evans awaydays]

I wish I could bump some of your posts, but you've never actually said anything original :biggrin:

You are confusing original with unsupported and easily rebutted! :-)

[Wales-Bales]

You are confusing original with unsupported and easily rebutted! :-)
It doesn't matter, Operation Crossfire Hurricane will decide all ... just hope you are on the right side of history :wink:

[cyril evans awaydays]

It doesn't matter, Operation Crossfire Hurricane will decide all ... just hope you are on the right side of history :wink:

The Storm, Nunes Memo, OIG report, Operation Crossfire Hurricane. The Snow Leopard is at more risk of being on the wrong side of history than your bombshell predictions!

[Wales-Bales]

The Storm, Nunes Memo, OIG report, Operation Crossfire Hurricane.
It's all the one and same thing!

[cyril evans awaydays]

It's all the one and same thing!

It would appear that whatever it has been called during its almost two year existence then that each time you promised a massive firework display all we saw was someone waving a sparkler for a couple of minutes.

[CardiffIrish2]

It would appear that whatever it has been called during its almost two year existence then that each time you promised a massive firework display all we saw was someone waving a sparkler for a couple of minutes.

Wait and see, November/December/January delete where appropriate is going to be very interesting and I will be sitting back watching the fun commence!
(Wales Bales standard reply 😃)

[Wales-Bales]

It would appear that whatever it has been called during its almost two year existence then that each time you promised a massive firework display all we saw was someone waving a sparkler for a couple of minutes.
Well, you can blame the DOJ for that.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Well, you can blame the DOJ for that.

Not your twitter feed then:shrug:

[Wales-Bales]

Not your twitter feed then:shrug:
No, even though we know most of what went on, the DOJ won't officially release the documents.

[City123]

Already in the team are US, Russia, Japan, Turkey, China, India, Saudi Arabia and Italy. That's a lot of economic firepower! Why is Britain so keen to stay attached to the EU sinking ship?
Well what we're seeing is an end to American hegemony as other powers rise. China have been pursuing a globalist policy, as you well know, so you're talking shite, again.

Saudi Arabia have been taking steps towards democratisation over recent years, helped by the drop in oil prices which means they have had to be more appeasing, these reforms including education and rights for women will lead to a larger middle class which, according to modernisation theory, should lead to a democratic state emerging. This democratisation will inevitably lead to an alignment with the West

Aside from that, none of these countries are working together, so where's this anti-globalist dream team?

[Wales-Bales]

Well what we're seeing is an end to American hegemony as other powers rise. China have been pursuing a globalist policy, as you well know, so you're talking shite, again.
China aren't globalists, they want to rule the world. America are currently offering them a trade deal on reduces terms, with less access to IP in order to keep them in check. None of them have plans for an open border utopia, only increased trade opportunities. We should join them.

[City123]

China aren't globalists, they want to rule the world. America are currently offering them a trade deal on reduces terms, with less access to IP in order to keep them in check. None of them have plans for an open border utopia, only increased trade opportunities. We should join them.
So you're suggesting we seek mutually advantageous trade deals with a foreign power? Sounds pretty globalist to me

[Eric Cartman]

So you're suggesting we seek mutually advantageous trade deals with a foreign power? Sounds pretty globalist to me

Oh dear, he's gone to look up what globalist means now.

[City123]

Oh dear, he's gone to look up what globalist means now.
:hehe: :hehe:

Me or him?

[Eric Cartman]

:hehe: :hehe:

Me or him?

Him, the right in America can't talk about globalism without tumbling down towards the open borders/Soros trope. WB takes his every cue from the right in America. It is why he uses lefty as an insult while saying he likes Corbyn. His motherboard is faulty from the obsession with American politics where things are a bit different.

[Wales-Bales]

Him, the right in America can't talk about globalism without tumbling down towards the open borders/Soros trope. WB takes his every cue from the right in America. It is why he uses lefty as an insult while saying he likes Corbyn. His motherboard is faulty from the obsession with American politics where things are a bit different.
You'll find the MAGA/Brexit aims in here from its arch proponant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juk7wCe0ZNg