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Penarth Blues
21-10-18, 09:09
Particularly interested to hear from our resident fly fisher who is normally prolific in his posts
Particularly interested to hear from our resident fly fisher who is normally prolific in his posts
Also a certain arachnologist :sherlock:
Particularly interested to hear from our resident fly fisher who is normally prolific in his posts
Why? he's pretty forthright in his views and I don't agree with him on everything, but in my opinion he hasn't been far off the mark. Yesterday we played differently, Camarasa and Reid were playing a higher line and we were actually breaking their midfield line by getting past them as opposed to everything being played in front of them, the play was much quicker with higher intensity and a belief that I've not really seen in our players. Maybe the penny has dropped that we have to take risks and leave spaces in order to create chances. Even our defence played a higher line with Bamba playing on the front foot-a style that suits him, he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'Cautious' I don't know what your opinion of our style of play has been over the first eight games, I've documented that we have been too cautious and toe dipping as opposed to a quicker more positive style that was evident yesterday. So, to conclude, wouldn't it be more fitting to ask the question to those fans who were of the thinking that our style of play before yesterday was satisfactory rather than to those who had been critical?
Why? he's pretty forthright in his views and I don't agree with him on everything, but in my opinion he hasn't been far off the mark. Yesterday we played differently, Camarasa and Reid were playing a higher line and we were actually breaking their midfield line by getting past them as opposed to everything being played in front of them, the play was much quicker with higher intensity and a belief that I've not really seen in our players. Maybe the penny has dropped that we have to take risks and leave spaces in order to create chances. Even our defence played a higher line with Bamba playing on the front foot-a style that suits him, he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'Cautious' I don't know what your opinion of our style of play has been over the first eight games, I've documented that we have been too cautious and toe dipping as opposed to a quicker more positive style that was evident yesterday. So, to conclude, wouldn't it be more fitting to ask the question to those fans who were of the thinking that our style of play before yesterday was satisfactory rather than to those who had been critical?
We have been playing like that all season. I think the OP was also referring to you in his comment - you are one of the worst offenders and have been having a go at Warnock and individuals in the team for weeks.
We have been playing like that all season. I think the OP was also referring to you in his comment - you are one of the worst offenders and have been having a go at Warnock and individuals in the team for weeks.
Judge Judy has logged on. We haven't been playing like that all season. Produce some evidence that I've been having a go at Warnock and individuals for weeks xx
I'm not a fan of Paterson up front but he was immense yesterday, Morrison on the other hand I just don't know what's happened to him he's having a mare so far this season he must have one of the worst first touches in professional football and it's visible how slow he actually is which comes to Bamba fair play he won the ball yesterday but as soon as he doesn't win one of those balls so high up we are in big trouble
Penarth Blues
21-10-18, 10:37
Why? he's pretty forthright in his views and I don't agree with him on everything, but in my opinion he hasn't been far off the mark. Yesterday we played differently, Camarasa and Reid were playing a higher line and we were actually breaking their midfield line by getting past them as opposed to everything being played in front of them, the play was much quicker with higher intensity and a belief that I've not really seen in our players. Maybe the penny has dropped that we have to take risks and leave spaces in order to create chances. Even our defence played a higher line with Bamba playing on the front foot-a style that suits him, he doesn't know the meaning of the word 'Cautious' I don't know what your opinion of our style of play has been over the first eight games, I've documented that we have been too cautious and toe dipping as opposed to a quicker more positive style that was evident yesterday. So, to conclude, wouldn't it be more fitting to ask the question to those fans who were of the thinking that our style of play before yesterday was satisfactory rather than to those who had been critical?
There’s forthright and then there’s straightforwardly negative and non-constructive. We all have our views on what could be done better but we’ve been finding our feet and that takes time. I think we’ve played well since the Arsenal match but quite a few fans seem unable to see that.
Your views are different to mine - doesn’t make either of us right - but I’m glad to see the crowds at the games don’t subscribe to the woe is me attitude quite a few on here seem to have.
The Lone Gunman
21-10-18, 10:41
Also a certain arachnologist
Congratulations on a first victory in six months. I'm only sad I wasn't there to see it, having been at the previous three home games. It sounds like the win was well-deserved. It's a pity that Liverpool are up next and it's not another home game against a mid-ranking side like Leicester or Brighton, as it would have been good to try to build on the confidence and feelgood factor that yesterday's victory has brought. Having said that, if Kadeem Harris is scoring Premier League goals, then anything's possible and getting something at Anfield isn't entirely out of the question.
The table this morning makes for interesting reading. This time last year, after nine games the bottom three were on 8 points (Stoke), 7 points (Bournemouth) and 3 points (Palace), while the two sides who were eventually relegated alongside Stoke were on 8 points (Swansea) and 10 points (West Brom). Huddersfield were sat in 11th position with 12 points.
People have already been talking about teams staying up this season with a record low points total. While that's obviously premature, the gap between the top clubs and those at the bottom is certainly bigger this time around. Chelsea were 4th on 16 points after 9 games last year, while West Ham were 17th with 8 points. This year, Spurs are 4th with 21 points and City are 17th with 5 points - a 16 point gap now compared to an 8 point gap then.
There’s forthright and then there’s straightforwardly negative and non-constructive. We all have our views on what could be done better but we’ve been finding our feet and that takes time. I think we’ve played well since the Arsenal match but quite a few fans seem unable to see that.
Your views are different to mine - doesn’t make either of us right - but I’m glad to see the crowds at the games don’t subscribe to the woe is me attitude quite a few on here seem to have.
We did alright against Arsenal and should've got a draw in my opinion. We have been finding our feet, agree with you. What pisses me off a little is that some fans can't see what's in front of them or choose not too. Yesterday was a concerted effort to play in a different way, it was no accident, Gunnar helped, he was more mobile and more positive than Ralls. Why aren't we discussing the fact that when we became more positive with a fair bit of quality and licence, we looked and performed much better. Maybe my expectations are higher than most on here, but it's my belief that we have the players to compete with anyone in the bottom half of this division and that Warnock and his staff were not getting that message across.
Congratulations on a first victory in six months. I'm only sad I wasn't there to see it, having been at the previous three home games. It sounds like the win was well-deserved. It's a pity that Liverpool are up next and it's not another home game against a mid-ranking side like Leicester or Brighton, as it would have been good to try to build on the confidence and feelgood factor that yesterday's victory has brought. Having said that, if Kadeem Harris is scoring Premier League goals, then anything's possible and getting something at Anfield isn't entirely out of the question.
The table this morning makes for interesting reading. This time last year, after nine games the bottom three were on 8 points (Stoke), 7 points (Bournemouth) and 3 points (Palace), while the two sides who were eventually relegated alongside Stoke were on 8 points (Swansea) and 10 points (West Brom). Huddersfield were sat in 11th position with 12 points.
People have already been talking about teams staying up this season with a record low points total. While that's obviously premature, the gap between the top clubs and those at the bottom is certainly bigger this time around. Chelsea were 4th on 16 points after 9 games last year, while West Ham were 17th with 8 points. This year, Spurs are 4th with 21 points and City are 17th with 5 points - a 16 point gap now compared to an 8 point gap then.
:hehe:
The winless streak in June & July really hurt our confidence to be fair
Looking ahead at the next few home games and we have Leicester, Brighton, Wolves and Southampton. We've got to be expecting no less than 8 points from those if we want to gain some momentum. With our recent performances, I believe we are capable of doing that.
As for looking at the league table, it's not really much of an indicator really, at least until after the January window. We've got to be looking at winning a minimum of 10 games and we have one chalked off. Fortress CCS is going to have to be as loud as it was yesterday and with our high impact play we are going to smash a few rivals.
Judge Judy has logged on. We haven't been playing like that all season. Produce some evidence that I've been having a go at Warnock and individuals for weeks xx
Dont have to go back very far - you are obviously suffering from selective memory loss. Just look at the thread headed Warnock started on 19/10 in which you have a right go at Warnock and the whole of the team in a number of posts. There are many more examples over the last few months. We have been playing more positive attacking football all season, especially in the Arsenal and Burnley games but you appear incapable of recognising this in your quest to denegrate the teams efforts and managers tactics.
Dont have to go back very far - you are obviously suffering from selective memory loss. Just look at the thread headed Warnock started on 19/10 in which you have a right go at Warnock and the whole of the team in a number of posts. There are many more examples over the last few months. We have been playing more positive attacking football all season, especially in the Arsenal and Burnley games but you appear incapable of recognising this in your quest to denegrate the teams efforts and managers tactics.
Judy, have a look at what i said, you'll see that we implemented a fair portion of what I believed we should do in order to get a result. If you understood football then you would have noticed that for the first time this season our midfield were playing a higher line and not allowing Fulham time to settle or get anything going from the back. Bamba was also doing a great job of stepping into the midfield. We played with more tempo and urgency, something we have to do at home in order to pick up points. You are wrong-again.
We did alright against Arsenal and should've got a draw in my opinion. We have been finding our feet, agree with you. What pisses me off a little is that some fans can't see what's in front of them or choose not too. Yesterday was a concerted effort to play in a different way, it was no accident, Gunnar helped, he was more mobile and more positive than Ralls. Why aren't we discussing the fact that when we became more positive with a fair bit of quality and licence, we looked and performed much better. Maybe my expectations are higher than most on here, but it's my belief that we have the players to compete with anyone in the bottom half of this division and that Warnock and his staff were not getting that message across.
We were decent against Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, but unlucky and also beaten by real quality.
We dominated against Burnley far more than we did yesterday and were extremely unlucky.
Yesterday we got the breaks and the 3 points that we deserved to have picked up in previous games.
If Fulham had Burnley’s back 4 and keeper then yesterday would have been a lot different.
We also played our most effective front 3 which really helped.
We were decent against Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, but unlucky and also beaten by real quality.
We dominated against Burnley far more than we did yesterday and were extremely unlucky.
Yesterday we got the breaks and the 3 points that we deserved to have picked up in previous games.
If Fulham had Burnley’s back 4 and keeper then yesterday would have been a lot different.
We also played our most effective front 3 which really helped.
Agree about Arsenal, I was disappointed we didn't take a point, didn't see the spurs game so i'll take your word for it, don't agree with you about Chelsea, unless you count the scoreline only being 2-1 for quite a long period, because they outplayed us. Against Burnley we were not at the tempo we were yesterday and allowed them too much time on the ball in my opinion, Burnley were there for the taking. Yes, we had a bit of luck, but I believe that you create that by being adventurous and taking risks. Camarasa and reid were five yards further up the pitch, I can't understand why others can't see that. We played on the front foot. Obviously, against better teams we'll get opened up, but what I've seen is that in this league, teams will give you a sniff because they have more quality and are prepared to open up. We played differently yesterday and Warnock has semi endorsed that by saying at half time that our season starts now. Fulham were helpful-thanks very much-but there was an intensity that I have only seen sporadically. Gunnar made a big difference for me as he was prepared to carry the ball, something Ralls doesn't do. Great result and a bouncing atmosphere.
G rangetown Blue
21-10-18, 16:43
I'm not a fan of Paterson up front but he was immense yesterday, Morrison on the other hand I just don't know what's happened to him he's having a mare so far this season he must have one of the worst first touches in professional football and it's visible how slow he actually is which comes to Bamba fair play he won the ball yesterday but as soon as he doesn't win one of those balls so high up we are in big trouble
"Having a mare" ? .........Care to expand on that?
He's by far the best centre back at the club, and probably the best we've ever had IMO.
Agree about Arsenal, I was disappointed we didn't take a point, didn't see the spurs game so i'll take your word for it, don't agree with you about Chelsea, unless you count the scoreline only being 2-1 for quite a long period, because they outplayed us. Against Burnley we were not at the tempo we were yesterday and allowed them too much time on the ball in my opinion, Burnley were there for the taking. Yes, we had a bit of luck, but I believe that you create that by being adventurous and taking risks. Camarasa and reid were five yards further up the pitch, I can't understand why others can't see that. We played on the front foot. Obviously, against better teams we'll get opened up, but what I've seen is that in this league, teams will give you a sniff because they have more quality and are prepared to open up. We played differently yesterday and Warnock has semi endorsed that by saying at half time that our season starts now. Fulham were helpful-thanks very much-but there was an intensity that I have only seen sporadically. Gunnar made a big difference for me as he was prepared to carry the ball, something Ralls doesn't do. Great result and a bouncing atmosphere.
At Chelsea we didn’t sit back, but went for it , at 2-1 with 10 minutes to go we were still in it. Yes, we were 2nd best, but look at the players they have.
I don’t think yesterday was our first good performance. We’ve been playing well for weeks. Just not having the luck and Burnley 19 shots to 3 was even more dominant than yesterday’s 22-9 reflection.
We were just immensely unlucky that day and their back 4 and keeper superb- something Fulham’s weren’t .
Burnley were also very well organised- unlike Fulham who at night me point had 2 defenders stepping out for offside whilst 2 were running back 😂
Gunnar does add tempo and runs with the ball as he’s not a very good passer or shooter. It may be that this suits us better, his wrestling and tackling was also very good yesterday. Hope it continues as we are still thin on the ground in the middle.
The front 3 for me are our best mix and I’m looking forward to seeing how they do in the next few weeks against stronger opposition.
Judy, have a look at what i said, you'll see that we implemented a fair portion of what I believed we should do in order to get a result. If you understood football then you would have noticed that for the first time this season our midfield were playing a higher line and not allowing Fulham time to settle or get anything going from the back. Bamba was also doing a great job of stepping into the midfield. We played with more tempo and urgency, something we have to do at home in order to pick up points. You are wrong-again.
I thought our approach to the Burnley game was similar to yesterday, but we didn’t benefit from comedy defending on that occasion.
I don’t think the penny suddenly dropped yesterday, I think there have been several prior signs that we’re trying to be more positive in games. On current form Fulham are probably the ideal team to face to get a result from it.
"Having a mare" ? .........Care to expand on that?
He's by far the best centre back at the club, and probably the best we've ever had IMO.
At the start of the season i would've agreed him being head and shoulders above the others but this season he looks a shadow of himself making multiple mistakes per game and just looks plain uncomfortable and as for best we've ever had :hehe: "give over lad"
I thought our approach to the Burnley game was similar to yesterday, but we didn’t benefit from comedy defending on that occasion.
I don’t think the penny suddenly dropped yesterday, I think there have been several prior signs that we’re trying to be more positive in games. On current form Fulham are probably the ideal team to face to get a result from it.
Better out than I managed.
Also a fair shout from Tuerto that we pushed up more, but that was also due to having 3 very hard working front players who were prepared to do it . Patterson ‘s strength and commitment along with the pace and work rate of the other 2 helped, along with Fulham’s midfield not really being able to take advantage when they did get past these 3
sneggyblubird
21-10-18, 17:19
"Having a mare" ? .........Care to expand on that?
He's by far the best centre back at the club, and probably the best we've ever had IMO.
Nah,not as good as Mike England.
I thought our approach to the Burnley game was similar to yesterday, but we didn’t benefit from comedy defending on that occasion.
I don’t think the penny suddenly dropped yesterday, I think there have been several prior signs that we’re trying to be more positive in games. On current form Fulham are probably the ideal team to face to get a result from it.
Fair shout, same with Tim, I acknowledge that we have tried to win games, it's just my opinion that we have lacked that bit of risk taking that was needed against Burnley and Arsenal, I believe that if we had got at both those teams a little more we would be four points better off, although can't excuse the defensive mistakes in those games. Agree that Fulham were ideal opponents. Yesterday there was more urgency than the Burnley game and more support from midfield. Well pleased with what I saw and enjoyed Patterson showing a fantastic attitude up front and getting infront of defenders to win headers.
dandywarhol
21-10-18, 17:35
It just proves I know duck all about football coaching.
It was particularly nice to hear Callum Paterson say he had dreamt of scoring in the premier league since he was 5 years of age.
J R Hartley
21-10-18, 18:06
Particularly interested to hear from our resident fly fisher who is normally prolific in his posts
Prolific? I barely post on here these days ffs, and this is one of the reasons why.
If you have dare express a different opinion to the Warnock can do no wrong brigade you get the usual snowflakes reacting as if I’ve spat in their face, or shagged their wife.
My main gripe has been the negative vibes coming from Warnock in his press conference, repeating himself how we more or less don’t belong in this league, whilst blowing smoke up the arse of the opposition.
Yesterday it worked for the first time in 8 matches. Well done. Maybe next Friday he will be singing the praises of our lads but with Liverpool next up I highly doubt it.
I still stand by I think a centre half taking long throws in the opposition half is a ridiculous tactic in the premier league.
I don’t know if we were doing that yesterday? Unfortunately even though I had tickets (typical I miss the best game of the season) I couldn’t get to the game for reasons I don’t wish to go into with strangers on here, and reasons which are far more important than a game of football.
Also happy to eat some humble pie on Callum Patterson, I understand he played really well. I still don’t think long term he’s the answer in this league but happy to proved wrong and eat some humble pie ever week.
In the words of Warnock, hey-ho.
Penarth Blues
21-10-18, 18:24
Prolific? I barely post on here these days ffs, and this is one of the reasons why.
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Really? :hehe:
I'm like a tame poodle compared to a lot of the stuff posted on here. However, apart from the gentle dig, I was also genuinely interested in your take on the match yesterday as someone who had been so critical of us. I'm sorry you had to miss it for reasons which sound serious.
We did play really well, and with Gunnars back I don't recall Morrison taking a single long throw - so perhaps your grumbles have been heard.
Hope the non-football side of your life sorts itself out positively and that you get to see us play like we did yesterday at some point soon.
J R Hartley
21-10-18, 18:35
Really? :hehe:
I'm like a tame poodle compared to a lot of the stuff posted on here. However, apart from the gentle dig, I was also genuinely interested in your take on the match yesterday as someone who had been so critical of us. I'm sorry you had to miss it for reasons which sound serious.
We did play really well, and with Gunnars back I don't recall Morrison taking a single long throw - so perhaps your grumbles have been heard.
Hope the non-football side of your life sorts itself out positively and that you get to see us play like we did yesterday at some point soon.
:thumbup:
thehumblegringo
21-10-18, 19:21
I also couldn't make the game yesterday as I was watching my little lad play. Whilst I was jumping around the car hearing the goals go in on the way home I do find it hard to an express a proper opinion when I haven't seen the game.
I've now watched the game on sky and the atmosphere sounded great, we created a lot of chances and it was great to see Reid and Murphy on the pitch together.
Rocco Siffredi
21-10-18, 19:35
I got bollocksed and spent today feeling like shit , too much euphoria and wine watching motd
G rangetown Blue
22-10-18, 22:03
Nah,not as good as Mike England.
Yeah, I'll give you that. Although England was past his best when he came to us.
Morrisson is without question the best in the last 30 odd years.
G rangetown Blue
22-10-18, 22:07
At the start of the season i would've agreed him being head and shoulders above the others but this season he looks a shadow of himself making multiple mistakes per game and just looks plain uncomfortable and as for best we've ever had :hehe: "give over lad"
As some have pointed out, Mike England was a class act, but Morrisson is certainly the best for many many years.
My main gripe has been the negative vibes coming from Warnock in his press conference, repeating himself how we more or less don’t belong in this league, whilst blowing smoke up the arse of the opposition.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45932277
He knows what he's doing. Are you with me?
Divine Wright
23-10-18, 07:12
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45932277
He knows what he's doing. Are you with me?
Fairplay, his hairdo makes him look like a woodlouse though.
As some have pointed out, Mike England was a class act, but Morrisson is certainly the best for many many years.
Personally I liked Turner.
Thought he was excellent for us in the Prem
I kno he had his knickers with his long balls, but he rarely made a mistake or lost any battles. It’s what I want from a centre half.
But probably overall the best we’ve had is Gabbidon, who went on to bigger things, but was then , like Turner cruelly hit by injuries.
Collins has probably been the most successful in the last 30 years, playing hundreds of Premier league games for West Ham
Pedro de la Rosa
23-10-18, 07:41
Personally I liked Turner.
Thought he was excellent for us in the Prem
I kno he had his knickers with his long balls, but he rarely made a mistake or lost any battles. It’s what I want from a centre half.
But probably overall the best we’ve had is Gabbidon, who went on to bigger things, but was then , like Turner cruelly hit by injuries.
Collins has probably been the most successful in the last 30 years, playing hundreds of Premier league games for West Ham
We've had some superb centre halves in recent years. Gabbidon, Collins, Purse, Loovens, Johnson, Hudson, Turner, Morrison, Manga and Bamba. Connolly was our player of the season in 15/16 too. Someone in our scouting department knows how to identify a good centre back, which is odd because we've rarely been blessed with good full backs in that time.
We've had some superb centre halves in recent years. Gabbidon, Collins, Purse, Loovens, Johnson, Hudson, Turner, Morrison, Manga and Bamba. Connolly was our player of the season in 15/16 too. Someone in our scouting department knows how to identify a good centre back, which is odd because we've rarely been blessed with good full backs in that time.
Going back, Murray, CHARLES, Harris, Ratcliffe, Rankmore !!!!!!!
Best we've ever had !!!!!!!! He's not in the top twenty. :hehe::hehe:
PS:---- Not forgetting Joe, but you'll most probably say our most games played player, played at a lower level.
G rangetown Blue
23-10-18, 12:43
We've had some superb centre halves in recent years. Gabbidon, Collins, Purse, Loovens, Johnson, Hudson, Turner, Morrison, Manga and Bamba. Connolly was our player of the season in 15/16 too. Someone in our scouting department knows how to identify a good centre back, which is odd because we've rarely been blessed with good full backs in that time.
Not too many played in a league anything like as good as the Premier league to be fair.
Morrisson is top class, playing against the Worlds best strikers week in week out.
Collins obviously was class, but not for us in the premier league unfortunately.
We've had some superb centre halves in recent years. Gabbidon, Collins, Purse, Loovens, Johnson, Hudson, Turner, Morrison, Manga and Bamba. Connolly was our player of the season in 15/16 too. Someone in our scouting department knows how to identify a good centre back, which is odd because we've rarely been blessed with good full backs in that time.
I’ve thought that myself in the past.
Joe Bennett aside, as he is class
Judy, have a look at what i said, you'll see that we implemented a fair portion of what I believed we should do in order to get a result. If you understood football then you would have noticed that for the first time this season our midfield were playing a higher line and not allowing Fulham time to settle or get anything going from the back. Bamba was also doing a great job of stepping into the midfield. We played with more tempo and urgency, something we have to do at home in order to pick up points. You are wrong-again.
I may not be an 'expert' like you think you are but I obviously understand football a lot better than you do. Your only interest is constantly criticising the managers tactics and individual players. You are now trying to take credit for previously identifying the tactics to enable our win on Saturday but we actually played very simlarly against Arsenal, Burnley and Newcastle without any luck. Perhaps you missed those games whilst you were off having your ego massaged. You asked me for an example of your critiscism and I gave it to you. There are many more over recent months.
The Lone Gunman
24-10-18, 16:18
I may not be an 'expert' like you think you are but I obviously understand football a lot better than you do.
:hehe::hehe::hehe:
You're such a plum. Very funny, but a plum all the same.
I'd love it if we could compare Tuerto's football credentials with yours, but sadly he's not that sort of person. Tell you what, though - he's one of the best judges of the game I've ever met.
As for playing very similarly against Newcastle and Arsenal, you must be taking the piss.
Elwood Blues
24-10-18, 17:29
Going back, Murray, CHARLES, Harris, Ratcliffe, Rankmore !!!!!!!
Best we've ever had !!!!!!!! He's not in the top twenty. :hehe::hehe:
PS:---- Not forgetting Joe, but you'll most probably say our most games played player, played at a lower level.
And of course Danny Malloy.
Never saw him play myself ( I saw my first game the season after he left) but my dad always said how good he was.
splott parker
24-10-18, 17:40
And of course Danny Malloy.
Never saw him play myself ( I saw my first game the season after he left) but my dad always said how good he was.
Gary Bennett was no slouch👍
I may not be an 'expert' like you think you are but I obviously understand football a lot better than you do.
This could well be the greatest post I've ever seen on here :hehe:
This could well be the greatest post I've ever seen on here :hehe:
Lets be fair, a village idiot would understand football more than Tuerto and you do, so its no great claim by me is it.
StraightOuttaCanton
25-10-18, 10:21
:hehe::hehe::hehe:
You're such a plum. Very funny, but a plum all the same.
I'd love it if we could compare Tuerto's football credentials with yours, but sadly he's not that sort of person. Tell you what, though - he's one of the best judges of the game I've ever met.
As for playing very similarly against Newcastle and Arsenal, you must be taking the piss.
To be fair your own football credentials were found to be somewhat lacking judging by your recent comments and perhaps expectations as to how Fulham would perform against Cardiff City.
Personally I liked Turner.
Thought he was excellent for us in the Prem
I know he had his knickers with his long balls, but he rarely made a mistake or lost any battles. It’s what I want from a centre half.
But probably overall the best we’ve had is Gabbidon, who went on to bigger things, but was then , like Turner cruelly hit by injuries.
Collins has probably been the most successful in the last 30 years, playing hundreds of Premier league games for West Ham
"I know he had his knickers with his long balls...."
No wonder he left for Burton. The shame of it :-)
GRUMPYS DEN
25-10-18, 11:03
Interesting how some dismiss the claims of some they never saw by saying they never played at the level of Morrison.I would say the likes of Malloy, Murray,Montgomery, Pontin would fair very favourably with Sean.who I happen to think is a very good centre half.How anyone can dismiss players they never saw play is beyond me
:hehe::hehe::hehe:
You're such a plum. Very funny, but a plum all the same.
I'd love it if we could compare Tuerto's football credentials with yours, but sadly he's not that sort of person. Tell you what, though - he's one of the best judges of the game I've ever met.
As for playing very similarly against Newcastle and Arsenal, you must be taking the piss.
The fact that you think he is one of 'the best judges of the game that you have ever met' is not very comforting for him but very comforting for me, given the load of rubbish that you have posted on here over the years. Also, how do you know how we played against Newcastle or Arsenal bearing in mind that you never go to watch. I also included Burnley in my post but see that you failed to include them - perhaps because it doesnt help your argument ?
Why is everyone going on about the Burnley game like it was some sort of massacre? Yes, we had the better of the game but we only scored once and we shipped two soft goals. So we lost. It's hardly a travesty. It's football.
Also, how do you know how we played against Newcastle or Arsenal bearing in mind that you never go to watch
In fairness he has already mentioned that he was at the previous thee games.
With reference to the Bluetit thread regarding omens/superstitions, seeing as we beat Fulham with him not there, perhaps TLG should go back to doing what he was doing over the last few seasons and do something else on Saturday? :biggrin:
To be fair your own football credentials were found to be somewhat lacking judging by your recent comments and perhaps expectations as to how Fulham would perform against Cardiff City.
Perhaps a bit premature?
I'm sure he will eventually reply to the many posts in that thread questioning his judgement, backed up with a whole bunch of statistics derived from his dirty great big spreadsheet and thus prove that he was, in fact, not entirely wrong :hehe:
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 16:11
To be fair your own football credentials were found to be somewhat lacking judging by your recent comments and perhaps expectations as to how Fulham would perform against Cardiff City.
Other than watching Cardiff City for 40+ years, I have no football credentials. Never claimed to have any either. I've never played, coached or managed the game at any kind of a serious level.
As for my recent comments regarding Fulham, what were they? I remember somebody else (Pedro I think) claiming they were rubbish and me saying something along the lines of we'll see how rubbish they are when they play City. Apart from that, I can't remember saying anything about them. Turns out they are indeed rubbish, or at least their defence is (if it can be described as a defence).
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 16:14
Also, how do you know how we played against Newcastle or Arsenal bearing in mind that you never go to watch. I also included Burnley in my post but see that you failed to include them - perhaps because it doesnt help your argument ?
I watched the Newcastle game on TV. It was pretty dire. Meanwhile, I was present at the Arsenal, Man City and Burnley games. Everyone I've talked to who did see Saturday's game (I only saw the highlights) suggested City were much-improved. In fairness, that wouldn't have taken much and they were up against one of the worst defences in Europe right now, but everything I've seen and heard suggests it was a much better effort that the previous home games this season.
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 16:18
With reference to the Bluetit thread regarding omens/superstitions, seeing as we beat Fulham with him not there, perhaps TLG should go back to doing what he was doing over the last few seasons and do something else on Saturday?
Well I'm not going to Anfield, that's for sure. :thumbup:
I don't think me not being present had anything to do with Saturday's result. After all, I've seen City beat Fulham plenty of times over the years. Most Bluebirds who have followed the club for any length of time have. Indeed, I saw City win 5-2 and 4-1 away at Fulham.
cyril evans awaydays
25-10-18, 16:30
Well I'm not going to Anfield, that's for sure. :thumbup:
I don't think me not being present had anything to do with Saturday's result. After all, I've seen City beat Fulham plenty of times over the years. Most Bluebirds who have followed the club for any length of time have. Indeed, I saw City win 5-2 and 4-1 away at Fulham.
Glad you edited your post. The idea of your present would have had me searching under my seat for False Widows at the Leicester game:thumbup:
StraightOuttaCanton
25-10-18, 16:38
Other than watching Cardiff City for 40+ years, I have no football credentials. Never claimed to have any either. I've never played, coached or managed the game at any kind of a serious level.
As for my recent comments regarding Fulham, what were they? I remember somebody else (Pedro I think) claiming they were rubbish and me saying something along the lines of we'll see how rubbish they are when they play City. Apart from that, I can't remember saying anything about them. Turns out they are indeed rubbish, or at least their defence is (if it can be described as a defence).
I just followed your lead on comparing credentials - you don’t have to have played, coached or managed to claim to have them, though I think it helps - nice to see you displaying some humility though.... it suits you 👍.
Must have just been my misinterpretation of what you’d said then regarding Fulham being rubbish.... I think you’d asked someone
If they were serious when they suggested Fulham were rubbish after spending £100m(ish) and I thought you’d followed that up with what I’d interpreted as a patronising “righto” - we’ll see how rubbish they are when they play Cardiff (or words to that effect).
As it turns out I was wrong and you actually did identify that Fulham are indeed rubbish, which was probably your intention all along.
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 16:45
As it turns out I was wrong and you actually did identify that Fulham are indeed rubbish, which was probably your intention all along.
:hehe:
Personally, I think it's still a bit too early to be sure who really is rubbish and who isn't.
life on mars
25-10-18, 17:48
Interesting how some dismiss the claims of some they never saw by saying they never played at the level of Morrison.I would say the likes of Malloy, Murray,Montgomery, Pontin would fair very favourably with Sean.who I happen to think is a very good centre half.How anyone can dismiss players they never saw play is beyond me
Yes Pontin was great player . not your normal lump up the field central defender ,quite a cultured player , sadly developed dementia in his later years .
splott parker
25-10-18, 17:50
:hehe:
Personally, I think it's still a bit too early to be sure who really is rubbish and who isn't.
Don’t think any Premier League side are rubbish, I’d prefer the reason for losing is that the other lot are just the better team. I don’t buy it that we were rubbish against Man City, it’s just that they seemed to have 22 players to our 11. It’s a common thing amongst football fans to justify a rival beating another rival with the reasoning ‘You only beat them cos they’re shit’. I reckon we beat Fulham because we were the better team & took our chances, any team that has a player who can score a goal like their first aren’t rubbish.
Don’t think any Premier League side are rubbish, I’d prefer the reason for losing is that the other lot are just the better team. I don’t buy it that we were rubbish against Man City, it’s just that they seemed to have 22 players to our 11. It’s a common thing amongst football fans to justify a rival beating another rival with the reasoning ‘You only beat them cos they’re shit’. I reckon we beat Fulham because we were the better team & took our chances, any team that has a player who can score a goal like their first aren’t rubbish.
A good post:thumbup:
Don’t think any Premier League side are rubbish, I’d prefer the reason for losing is that the other lot are just the better team. I don’t buy it that we were rubbish against Man City, it’s just that they seemed to have 22 players to our 11. It’s a common thing amongst football fans to justify a rival beating another rival with the reasoning ‘You only beat them cos they’re shit’. I reckon we beat Fulham because we were the better team & took our chances, any team that has a player who can score a goal like their first aren’t rubbish.
I like that Steve
I watched the Newcastle game on TV. It was pretty dire. Meanwhile, I was present at the Arsenal, Man City and Burnley games. Everyone I've talked to who did see Saturday's game (I only saw the highlights) suggested City were much-improved. In fairness, that wouldn't have taken much and they were up against one of the worst defences in Europe right now, but everything I've seen and heard suggests it was a much better effort that the previous home games this season.
I doubt even the most one eyed Jack would try to put down the Fulham win by describing their defence (ok they are poor) as one of the worst in Europe. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I doubt even the most one eyed Jack would try to put down the Fulham win by describing their defence (ok they are poor) as one of the worst in Europe. ��������������
Just a bitter little man:thumbup:
I just followed your lead on comparing credentials - you don’t have to have played, coached or managed to claim to have them, though I think it helps - nice to see you displaying some humility though.... it suits you 👍.
Must have just been my misinterpretation of what you’d said then regarding Fulham being rubbish.... I think you’d asked someone
If they were serious when they suggested Fulham were rubbish after spending £100m(ish) and I thought you’d followed that up with what I’d interpreted as a patronising “righto” - we’ll see how rubbish they are when they play Cardiff (or words to that effect).
As it turns out I was wrong and you actually did identify that Fulham are indeed rubbish, which was probably your intention all along.
Hmmm.
I did wonder whether I should hold my hand up on this one as I had commented in that "Warnock will walk" thread too.
However on reflection, I don't think that you or I, or the others who commented, got the wrong end of the stick at all.
We all know what Pedro was trying to get across.
Basically that City aren't as bad as people are making out, and that we had every chance against moneybags Fulham, although calling Fulham shit was, as he'd admitted afterwards, a bit strong.
TLG though did reply in what I thought was a rather condescending way with a short sharp 'are you serious?' ('oh dear' being another of his favourites') and I took this to mean that he had taken a contrary view.
Taking the post in isolation, one could be duped into thinking it was a nothing statement but TLG hasn't been gushing with optimism these past months, seeming only to surface after a bad performance.
Warnock has taken a lot of stick in the close season and up until Saturday, he did a job on the dillusional BIG spenders and I think that he deserves some credit for the way he went about taking on Fulham last week. Credit, or at least a more balanced view, from the posters who dished much of the stick out and not just the usual swipe upon the next defeat.
StraightOuttaCanton
25-10-18, 21:19
Hmmm.
I did wonder whether I should hold my hand up on this one as I had commented in that "Warnock will walk" thread too.
However on reflection, I don't think that you or I, or the others who commented, got the wrong end of the stick at all.
We all know what Pedro was trying to get across.
Basically that City aren't as bad as people are making out, and that we had every chance against moneybags Fulham, although calling Fulham shit was, as he'd admitted afterwards, a bit strong.
TLG though did reply in what I thought was a rather condescending way with a short sharp 'are you serious?' ('oh dear' being another of his favourites') and I took this to mean that he had taken a contrary view.
Taking the post in isolation, one could be duped into thinking it was a nothing statement but TLG hasn't been gushing with optimism these past months, seeming only to surface after a bad performance.
Warnock has taken a lot of stick in the close season and up until Saturday, he did a job on the dillusional BIG spenders and I think that he deserves some credit for the way he went about taking on Fulham last week. Credit, or at least a more balanced view, from the posters who dished much of the stick out and not just the usual swipe upon the next defeat.
You choose condescending. I choose patronising. We’re both accurate.
Sorry if my response sounded conciliatory.
We’re a bottom 6 side in this league... of that there is no doubt, but in a league of 20 you will have a best team and a worst team. It’s common language to call the worst team in any league shit and even though we’re at the smelly end of the spectrum ourselves the truth is that on the great to shit PL scale, Fulham were totally shit on Saturday.
I’m SERIOUS 😂😂😂
You choose condescending. I choose patronising. We’re both accurate.
Sorry if my response sounded conciliatory.
We’re a bottom 6 side in this league... of that there is no doubt, but in a league of 20 you will have a best team and a worst team. It’s common language to call the worst team in any league shit and even though we’re at the smelly end of the spectrum ourselves the truth is that on the great to shit PL scale, Fulham were totally shit on Saturday.
I’m SERIOUS 😂😂😂
They weren’t total shit. They were pretty good going forward. They’ve got some very good players.
However , defensively they were a shambles.
That was the difference between them and Burnley. We had more of the game v Burnley, but their keeper and back 4 were better than Fulham’s and they were organised.
We also had more of the run of the ball against Fulham than we’ve had in other games .
It’s a fine line.
StraightOuttaCanton
25-10-18, 22:20
They weren’t total shit. They were pretty good going forward. They’ve got some very good players.
However , defensively they were a shambles.
That was the difference between them and Burnley. We had more of the game v Burnley, but their keeper and back 4 were better than Fulham’s and they were organised.
We also had more of the run of the ball against Fulham than we’ve had in other games .
It’s a fine line.
Sorry you missed my point. Of course they’re not totally shit. They’re a PL team so they’re one of the top 20 of 92 teams in the UK but my point was that in a black and white world relative to Man City they were totally shit. I’d even argue that 2nd half on Saturday they wouldn’t have beaten 50% of the Championship. Other than a worldy goal and a couple of other attacks they really
didn’t trouble us for 90 mins
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 22:40
I reckon we beat Fulham because we were the better team & took our chances, any team that has a player who can score a goal like their first aren’t rubbish.
OK, so Fulham aren't rubbish, and I was right to question someone who suggested they were. I think. But I'm not sure. Seems I'm getting mixed messages from the great and good of CCMB.....
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 22:48
I doubt even the most one eyed Jack would try to put down the Fulham win by describing their defence (ok they are poor) as one of the worst in Europe. ��������������
I was merely quoting Sky Sports, who are not one-eyed Jacks as far as I'm aware. As things stand, in statistical terms, Fulham's defence are indeed the worst in the top five leagues in Europe.
The list is as follows:
Fulham - 25 goals conceded from 9 games (Premier League)
Chievo - 24 goals conceded from 9 games (Serie A)
Frosinone - 24 goals conceded from 9 games (Serie A)
SD Huesca - 20 goals conceded from 9 games (La Liga)
Cardiff City - 19 goals conceded from 9 games (Premier League)
FC Nurnberg - 19 goals from 8 games (Bundesliga)
That's not an opinion. It's just statistics.
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 22:54
Taking the post in isolation, one could be duped into thinking it was a nothing statement but TLG hasn't been gushing with optimism these past months, seeming only to surface after a bad performance.
:hehe:
You only see what you want to see. I've posted occasionally during the last three months, but not regularly. My posts have followed no pattern at all. However, you and other dopey ****ers like you accuse me of only surfacing after a bad performance. The team has won one game in ten this season. I posted the day after it. Nevertheless, I'm accused of "only seeming to surface after a bad performance."
The Lone Gunman
25-10-18, 22:56
They weren’t total shit. They were pretty good going forward. They’ve got some very good players.
So they're not 'rubbish' then?
Don't let Straight Outta canton hear you say that.....
:hehe:
You only see what you want to see. I've posted occasionally during the last three months, but not regularly. My posts have followed no pattern at all. However, you and other dopey ****ers like you accuse me of only surfacing after a bad performance. The team has won one game in ten this season. I posted the day after it. Nevertheless, I'm accused of "only seeming to surface after a bad performance."
A few points...
I do seem to remember that you did post the day after the fulham game, when called out, and spouted some irrelevant stats.
Your posts do in fact follow a pattern.
They are often derogatory ^^^ and negative.
Just bits of a post ^^^ are often pasted and analysed with other more relevant bits ignored.
Also, "seeming".... appearing to be real or true but not necessarily so
:wave:
Divine Wright
26-10-18, 00:04
Are people suggesting Warnock is up to the task after winning one game?
Whilst it’s easy to come down on a manager after going through a bad run, I don’t think even the “pro-warnock” camp can defend him as a manager who is likely to keep us up. You can list the reasons/excuses why he is handicapped in his attempts but ultimately supporting Warnock up till last weeks game was essentially an emotional one.
I think those who don’t declare the same kind of support are probably thinking in a more “matter-of-fact” way. This is perfectly reasonable as long as it’s not too knee-jerk. After a quarter of the season, I don’t think it’s sacrilegious to air the suggestion that Warnock might be out of his depth.
I hope Warnock can keep us up but if he goes on another run of 9 games picking up 2,3 or 4 points, I’m not going to ignore the inadequacies and keep my mouth shut out of the fear of being shouted down by the emotionally righteous.
I support the team. I want them to succeed but this is a place for debate, not soley for providing moral support.
The Lone Gunman
26-10-18, 16:59
A few points...
I do seem to remember that you did post the day after the fulham game, when called out, and spouted some irrelevant stats.
Your posts do in fact follow a pattern.
They are often derogatory ^^^ and negative.
Just bits of a post ^^^ are often pasted and analysed with other more relevant bits ignored.
Also, "seeming".... appearing to be real or true but not necessarily so
Called out indeed? How old are you?!?
Sunday is the day I most regularly post these days as I'm usually lazing around not doing very little. If I post after a Cardiff defeat (and let's be honest, there are likely to be plenty of those this season), whatever I write is viewed as derogatory or negative, or I'm somehow perceived as gloating, which is odd as I don't support any of City's opponents. On the other hand, if I post after a victory, it's apparently because I've been "called out" and whatever I write is deemed irrelevant.
I appreciate that, having dared to oppose Tan's re-brand and fallen out of love with the football club in the process, I'm now seen as the enemy by some of the morons who post on here. That's no big deal as I've never taken this message board seriously anyway, but to be honest it is getting a bit boring now. I go to the occasional game, keep in touch with what's going at the club and talk about City regularly with the many friends I have who still actively support it (and some who don't), but it seems that pretty much any opinion I offer on here will be derided by a small herd of anonymous morons, regardless of what I've actually said or how accurate it may be.
Well, I won't be posting this Sunday or at any time during the next week whatever the result at Anfield is as I'll be elsewhere and otherwise engaged, so you can 'call me out' to your heart's content but you won't get a response.
:thumbup:
Particularly interested to hear from our resident fly fisher who is normally prolific in his posts
Which posters are yet to comment on yesterday's shit fest?
Penarth Blues
04-11-18, 16:14
Which posters are yet to comment on yesterday's shit fest?
No idea. If that's aimed at me I've commented on the match thread and other threads.
We were poor yesterday after the first 30 minutes, and we seemed to lose shape too easily in the second half. We seem to be getting caught between playing in two different ways - we have started to play the ball around a bit in the final third (and we seem to be quite good at it too) but are not prepared to do that too often in other parts of the pitch.
I also think Reid is not imposing himself enough in the final third and needs to find out how to do so quickly.
Finally, there were more bizarre passes, slices, poor touches and walking the ball into touch yesterday than I have seen in many years. I'm prepared to write yesterday off as just a bizarre day for all concerned but we can't play like that again if we're to have any hope of staying up this season.
No idea. If that's aimed at me I've commented on the match thread and other threads.
We were poor yesterday after the first 30 minutes, and we seemed to lose shape too easily in the second half. We seem to be getting caught between playing in two different ways - we have started to play the ball around a bit in the final third (and we seem to be quite good at it too) but are not prepared to do that too often in other parts of the pitch.
I also think Reid is not imposing himself enough in the final third and needs to find out how to do so quickly.
Finally, there were more bizarre passes, slices, poor touches and walking the ball into touch yesterday than I have seen in many years. I'm prepared to write yesterday off as just a bizarre day for all concerned but we can't play like that again if we're to have any hope of staying up this season.
Ignore him. I thought he might have disappeared for good after his multiple account humiliation.😂😂😂
No idea. If that's aimed at me I've commented on the match thread and other threads.
We were poor yesterday after the first 30 minutes, and we seemed to lose shape too easily in the second half. We seem to be getting caught between playing in two different ways - we have started to play the ball around a bit in the final third (and we seem to be quite good at it too) but are not prepared to do that too often in other parts of the pitch.
I also think Reid is not imposing himself enough in the final third and needs to find out how to do so quickly.
Finally, there were more bizarre passes, slices, poor touches and walking the ball into touch yesterday than I have seen in many years. I'm prepared to write yesterday off as just a bizarre day for all concerned but we can't play like that again if we're to have any hope of staying up this season.
:facepalm:
Sorry, I thought it was a weekly thread.
William Treseder
04-11-18, 17:03
:facepalm:
Sorry, I thought it was a weekly thread.
How the **** can it be a weekly thread with the word “win” in the title??
Penarth Blues
04-11-18, 17:34
How the **** can it be a weekly thread with the word “win” in the title??
I think that was his attempt at humour...
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