Time to change to Plaid??

[life on mars]

Time to act
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48122227

[trampie09]

Labour became a right wing party 30 odd years ago after Michael Foot lost to Mrs Thatcher, any bona fide Socialist in Wales at that point should have been voting Plaid, I did being one of the first of many out of the door all those decades ago.
Look at the recent leaders of Plaid, its a fair shout that they would have been old Labour if they had been born a few decades earlier, same go's for lots of the politicians in the SNP.
Labour abandoned the working class and no doubt the founding fathers of Labour would be turning in their graves at what became of their party after Foot.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Labour became a right wing party 30 odd years ago after Michael Foot lost to Mrs Thatcher, any bona fide Socialist in Wales at that point should have been voting Plaid, I did being one of the first of many out of the door all those decades ago.
Look at the recent leaders of Plaid, its a fair shout that they would have been old Labour if they had been born a few decades earlier, same go's for lots of the politicians in the SNP.
Labour abandoned the working class and no doubt the founding fathers of Labour would be turning in their graves at what became of their party after Foot.

I think you've made a powerful argument there. Except that Plaid have been led by absolute plums for as long as I can remember.

[trampie09]

I think you've made a powerful argument there. Except that Plaid have been led by absolute plums for as long as I can remember.
The current leader is seen by many as the best politician in the UK after winning award after award when being in Westminster, the previous one is the most genuine conviction politician I have ever heard off and then in the past they have had top Oxbridge bods and Nobel prize nominees.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The current leader is seen by many as the best politician in the UK after winning award after award when being in Westminster, the previous one is the most genuine conviction politician I have ever heard off and then in the past they have had top Oxbridge bods and Nobel prize nominees.

Just 10.4% of the vote in Wales in 2017, wasn't it?

[CCFCC3PO]

Time to act
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48122227

Yes, and any pro-European in Wales should vote for them. Labour and the Tories are in cahoots over Europe, both seeming to think that the shift to pro-Remain parties last week is a signal that the people want Brexit!

[CCFCC3PO]

Just 10.4% of the vote in Wales in 2017, wasn't it?

That's because, with our system, people see it as a wasted vote. "I'd vote Party Y but they have no chance". That's why General Elections only really involve a small number of people in the UK. There are seats that have returned Tory MPs for more than a century

[Taunton Blue Genie]

That's because, with our system, people see it as a wasted vote. "I'd vote Party Y but they have no chance". That's why General Elections only really involve a small number of people in the UK. There are seats that have returned Tory MPs for more than a century

Proportional representation would be fairer all round but thr two main parties won't vote for it as they benefit from the current system.