View Full Version : Suggestion for Director of Football
CardiffCitySince1927
13-06-19, 16:01
Dave Jones?
Look at the players he brought in for the fees aswell. Whitts, McNaughton, Marshall, Chopra, Bothroyd, McCormack etc.
What u think?
I would rather look at the qualities and experience that the most successful DOFs have (however that is defined) and create a DOF profile from that for our club.
Then recruit against that profile.
There are some attractions to looking a people with a club connection - especially if they understand the culture and the area - but that would be a bonus, not the central requirement.
CardiffCitySince1927
13-06-19, 17:23
I would rather look at the qualities and experience that the most successful DOFs have (however that is defined) and create a DOF profile from that for our club.
Then recruit against that profile.
There are some attractions to looking a people with a club connection - especially if they understand the culture and the area - but that would be a bonus, not the central requirement.
I’d say he fits with that as he was with the club for a while being our manager
Divine Wright
13-06-19, 18:26
Can’t see us going in this direction for at least another season. Warnock is not going to be up for that type of change in his last season. I’m not sure that the club will be up for it even after that as Tan seems like the type that prefers working with business minded middle men .
Jones is not a bad shout though. However, a lot of the people in this role at PL level are not necessarily former footballers and I’d echo the point previously made about profiling other DOFs.
Organ Morgan.
13-06-19, 19:03
Dirty Dai Jones, we don't want that surly Scouser back, and I am unanimous in that!
Besides, he'd be hopeless as he'd spend most of his time watching netball games looking for someone to nob.
https://thecount.com/wp-content/uploads/BadGrannyS.jpeg
It took far too long to get rid of Jones.
442 dinosaur.
He might be able to show Warnock how to spend transfer money on a decent player, because Warnock hasn't got a good track record of that with us.
Dave Jones?
Look at the players he brought in for the fees aswell. Whitts, McNaughton, Marshall, Chopra, Bothroyd, McCormack etc.
What u think?
DJ - no. But we ought to be looking to bring in somebody as back up should results not go right / or to plan for next season if they do.
Dirty Dai Jones, we don't want that surly Scouser back, and I am unanimous in that!
Besides, he'd be hopeless as he'd spend most of his time watching netball games looking for someone to nob.
https://thecount.com/wp-content/uploads/BadGrannyS.jpeg
:hehe: :thumbup:
life on mars
13-06-19, 20:16
It would be nice to have a modern thinker
It would be nice to have a modern thinker
For that to happen you would need to have a modern thinker as a manager. Having a modern thinker with a dinosaur manager simply wouldn't work.
Eric the Half a Bee
13-06-19, 22:04
Dave Jones?
Look at the players he brought in for the fees aswell. Whitts, McNaughton, Marshall, Chopra, Bothroyd, McCormack etc.
What u think?
I would say the club as a whole did reasonably well in terms of transfers for some of his tenure. Glenn Loovens is an example of someone who did well for us but was certainly nothing to do with Jones. Ridsdale signed him against Jones' wishes. I wonder if Fowler and Hasselbaink were as much Ridsdale signings as well.
In the same way, Swansea have, until more recently, done very well in the transfer market for a decade or so. I wouldn't suggest that was all down to the manager, at least as much due to the contacts numerous at the club had.
CardiffCitySince1927
14-06-19, 06:53
It took far too long to get rid of Jones.
442 dinosaur.
He wouldn’t be in charge of tactics. That's a manager
the other bob wilson
14-06-19, 07:31
Doubt it very much if Alan Curtis could be persuaded at his age to come to Cardiff for a second time, but he's the type of person I'd like to see being considered for such a role at Cardiff - it's never going to happen while this manager is here though.
I would say the club as a whole did reasonably well in terms of transfers for some of his tenure. Glenn Loovens is an example of someone who did well for us but was certainly nothing to do with Jones. Ridsdale signed him against Jones' wishes. I wonder if Fowler and Hasselbaink were as much Ridsdale signings as well.
In the same way, Swansea have, until more recently, done very well in the transfer market for a decade or so. I wouldn't suggest that was all down to the manager, at least as much due to the contacts numerous at the club had.
Jones talked Fowler into coming here, after he met him on holiday in Mexico
CardiffCitySince1927
14-06-19, 08:04
Jones talked Fowler into coming here, after he met him on holiday in Mexico
Warnock convinced Camarasa and Arter to come here during 90 minutes of Bournemouth vs Betis.
Wales-Bales
14-06-19, 08:07
Jones talked Fowler into coming here, after he met him on holiday in Mexico
You just convinced me that Jones is not the right person for the job :biggrin:
Wales-Bales
14-06-19, 08:09
Warnock convinced Camarasa and Arter to come here during 90 minutes of Bournemouth vs Betis.
Send him upstairs and get a proper manager downstairs :thumbup:
Ok I can see where this is going, and if it really keeps you all happ
Send him upstairs and get a proper manager downstairs :thumbup:
I don't think the skills needed for a dof align well at all with the skill set that Warnock has
NottinghamBlue
14-06-19, 08:26
SSN are reporting that Jones is interested in managing in Scotland.
Wales-Bales
14-06-19, 08:30
I don't think the skills needed for a dof align well at all with the skill set that Warnock has
He got Camarasa and Arter to come here during 90 minutes of Bournemouth vs Betis though.
He got Camarasa and Arter to come here during 90 minutes of Bournemouth vs Betis though.
That doesn't invalidate my statement
CardiffCitySince1927
14-06-19, 18:35
That doesn't invalidate my statement
That persuasion is ridiculous
There are very few teams in the premier League that have a former manager as director of football. And almost all of them have someone in that role these days.
Clearly we are behind the curve on this. To me it would make sense to try to poach someone who has been working with one of the clubs who have been working really well in this area then at least they know what things to put in place to be successful. Clearly we would need to target someone more junior so the role was a step up, or from a smaller club.
thehumblegringo
15-06-19, 10:36
There are very few teams in the premier League that have a former manager as director of football. And almost all of them have someone in that role these days.
Clearly we are behind the curve on this. To me it would make sense to try to poach someone who has been working with one of the clubs who have been working really well in this area then at least they know what things to put in place to be successful. Clearly we would need to target someone more junior so the role was a step up, or from a smaller club.
The director of football or sporting director as it now seems to be all encompassing with a number of roles, the biggest being setting out a lasting and permanent vision for the club's playing identity.
I have watched some superb interviews with Stuart Webber of Norwich lately and he seems to be excelling both at Norwich and Huddersfield in this area in recent years.
A clear vision that is sustainable, that involves building a culture that is aligned throughout the club and at Norwich in particular has involved promoting youth players like Max Aaron's.
https://youtu.be/jw5WL5AMDq0
https://youtu.be/6K9UBRvGR0k
https://youtu.be/5CZNpYubs38
https://youtu.be/eCleZxHgcEw
Both Dave Jones and Warnock are big no no's for me
the other bob wilson
15-06-19, 11:11
The director of football or sporting director as it now seems to be all encompassing with a number of roles, the biggest being setting out a lasting and permanent vision for the club's playing identity.
I have watched some superb interviews with Stuart Webber of Norwich lately and he seems to be excelling both at Norwich and Huddersfield in this area in recent years.
A clear vision that is sustainable, that involves building a culture that is aligned throughout the club and at Norwich in particular has involved promoting youth players like Max Aaron's.
https://youtu.be/jw5WL5AMDq0
https://youtu.be/6K9UBRvGR0k
https://youtu.be/5CZNpYubs38
https://youtu.be/eCleZxHgcEw
Both Dave Jones and Warnock are big no no's for me
I think you make an important point when you talk about the number of roles such a job encompasses - first of all we need to know what a Director of Football would do!
Earlier in the thread, I suggested Alan Curtis - I was thinking of someone who would play a leading role in player recruitment for the first team and act as a liaison between the club Board and manager when I suggested him, I don't see him as being a good idea really for the sort of job you're talking about.
Rhiwbina Blues
15-06-19, 11:39
i think Warnck and Jones are very similar in style and nither would promote young players. They do seem to be able to deal with the more troubled player but if you want a blueprint for the future then we need to look elsewhere?
I think we need to be looking at a coach who can bring so new ideas to the club as Blackwell and Jepson are too similar
It would show a limited understanding of what is considered an important role in modern football if we picked based on an older head who had pre-existing relationship with the club.
Can’t understand why no-one has put “WALES-BALES” name forward???
He can spot a player when it’s still in the womb :hehe::hehe:
thehumblegringo
15-06-19, 13:35
Can’t understand why no-one has put “WALES-BALES” name forward???
He can spot a player when it’s still in the womb :hehe::hehe:
:hehe:
I think everyone was thinking about Wales Bales when discussing this thread but it was too obvious
Wales-Bales
15-06-19, 13:49
Can’t understand why no-one has put “WALES-BALES” name forward???
He can spot a player when it’s still in the womb :hehe::hehe:
It's not a difficult job, and for some reason people seem to be in awe of anybody who works in professional football. The truth is the industry is controlled by gatekeepers, so it's virtually impossible for the likes of you and me to have the opportunity. Besides that, I wouldn't want to be involved in football on a daily basis anyway. I have other interests that are far more rewarding.
Llandaff Blue
15-06-19, 18:39
It's not a difficult job, and for some reason people seem to be in awe of anybody who works in professional football. The truth is the industry is controlled by gatekeepers, so it's virtually impossible for the likes of you and me to have the opportunity. Besides that, I wouldn't want to be involved in football on a daily basis anyway. I have other interests that are far more rewarding.
do you get paid to shitpost on here all day or what?
Wales-Bales
15-06-19, 18:44
do you get paid to shitpost on here all day or what?
I know loads of ex-pros, and half of them are a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but they would have no problem getting a job in football if they had the right contacts.
Llandaff Blue
15-06-19, 18:55
I know loads of ex-pros, and half of them are a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but they would have no problem getting a job in football if they had the right contacts.
i feel blessed to be in your presence
Wales-Bales
15-06-19, 19:02
i feel blessed to be in your presence
It's a game that consists of people running around a field chasing a ball. They are not employed for their intellect, so I'm not sure why you are trying to put them on a pedestal. And football is a closed shop. It's very hard to get in if you haven't been through the system. There are plenty of people who are very knowledgeable about football, but they would have little chance of getting a job without having played professionally.
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