#Equal Play Equal Pay [Archive] - Cardiff City Online

Baloo

09-07-19, 06:32

According to BBC commercial rights are sold as a package with other men’s competitions so can’t be isolated in that way.

FIFA awarded over 10 times the prize money to men’s world cup compared to women’s.

Players are paid by their national associations so pay comparisons vary. In a couple of countries (NZ and Norway) men and women are paid the same when representing their country.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-48530498

life on mars

09-07-19, 06:52

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-9eMb3WkAAnYP6?format=jpg

Lovely ladies deserve my equality

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 07:47

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 07:50

Maybe they should separate them and pay each group their true worth, or do you think there is some benefit in keeping them together?

After decades of actively suppressing women's football, the authorities should give them more funding so they can grow the game.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 08:17

After decades of actively suppressing women's football, the authorities should give them more funding so they can grow the game.
So they should implement a subsidised renumeration model, instead of allowing market forces to determine the pay levels?

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 08:31

So they should implement a subsidised renumeration model, instead of allowing market forces to determine the pay levels?

If it grows the sport, makes it more popular and makes it a more viable business in the long run why not fund it?

Over 11 million watched the england semi final, the interest is there why not capatalise on it.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 08:33

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 08:40

Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women

$131 Million v $6 Billion

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/

Explained in 3 paragraphs :hehe:

Plus isn't the pay gap talking about the wages rather than just during the world cup?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

Plus the men's prize money for winning the world cup percentage wise of overall income is higher than the women's is too.

Seems a bit simplistic to reduce it to what he has. Especially when ignoring how popular the women's game could become with decent investment and decent wages.

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 08:42

Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women

$131 Million v $6 Billion

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/

Surely this is an approximation as the sponsorship is split between both tournaments? There's no facts or references to where their figures come from. Either way, the governing bodies actively stopped women from playing so they should get more money than they earn to grow the game, which in turn will make more money.

Eric the Half a Bee

09-07-19, 11:56

So they should implement a subsidised renumeration model, instead of allowing market forces to determine the pay levels?

What's wrong with investing in something that could have growth potential, but isn't realised without some investment?

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 12:52

What's wrong with investing in something that could have growth potential, but isn't realised without some investment?

Because the people receiving money don't have penises.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:00

What's wrong with investing in something that could have growth potential, but isn't realised without some investment?
I think they are demanding a lot of money before there is any growth. The men's prize money is $400m from a turnover of 6 Billion, while the turnover of the woman's world cup is only $131m.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:02

How much are they demanding?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:05

How much are they demanding?
Equal pay.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:08

Equal pay.
Equal with who and how much is that?

Why do you think they shouldn’t get equal pay?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:08

I think they are demanding a lot of money before there is any growth. The men's prize money is $400m from a turnover of 6 Billion, while the turnover of the woman's world cup is only $131m.
Correction: The men's prize money is $440m from a turnover of 6 Billion. So the women want to be paid $440m from a turnover of $131m.

Rjk

09-07-19, 13:09

Is it correct that the USA womens team generate more revenue than the USA mens team?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:10

Equal with who and how much is that?

Why do you think they shouldn’t get equal pay?
I'm getting the feeling that economics is not your strong point.

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:10

Correction: The men's prize money is $440m from a turnover of 6 Billion. So the women want to be paid $440m from a turnover of $131m.

How do you know the turnover is $131m when they don't split the advertising and TV revenue?

In the US, especially, it's probable that the women generate more income than the men.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:15

I'm getting the feeling that economics is not your strong point.

I get the feeling you’ve chosen a position without knowing any of the facts again and that’s why you can’t answer the question.

The equal pay equal play campaign and litigation that is currently ongoing is related to the wages the US national team players are played of which the USWNT brings in slightly more revenue.

The World Cup prize money has been discussed because percentage wise the men get a bigger cut but that’s not what the court case and campaign are about.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:16

How do you know the turnover is $131m when they don't split the advertising and TV revenue?

In the US, especially, it's probable that the women generate more income than the men.
That's the figure Forbes are reporting, you'd better take it up with them if you have any issues with it.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:17

The Wall Street Journal reports that from 2016 to 2018, U.S. women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men's games.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:18

I get the feeling you’ve chosen a position without knowing any of the facts again and that’s why you can’t answer the question.

The equal pay equal play campaign and litigation that is currently ongoing is related to the wages the US national team players are played of which the USWNT brings in slightly more revenue.

The World Cup prize money has been discussed because percentage wise the men get a bigger cut but that’s not what the court case and campaign are about.
News today that France earned $38 million from FIFA for winning soccer's World Cup in Russia, while the women's champion in France this summer will earn just $4 million, has prompted outrage.

The total prize money for the Women's World Cup in France this July will be $30 million compared with total prize money of $440 million for the men's teams at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

“The difference between the men’s and women’s prize money is ridiculous,” Tatjana Haenni, who oversaw women’s soccer for FIFA before stepping down in 2017, said, according to the Associated Press. “It’s really disappointing the gap between the men’s and women’s World Cups got bigger. It sends the wrong message.”

Optimistic Nick

09-07-19, 13:19

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:20

That's the figure Forbes are reporting, you'd better take it up with them if you have any issues with it.

That article doesn't quote any sources or references. It's hardly robust.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:21

News today that France earned $38 million from FIFA for winning soccer's World Cup in Russia, while the women's champion in France this summer will earn just $4 million, has prompted outrage.

The total prize money for the Women's World Cup in France this July will be $30 million compared with total prize money of $440 million for the men's teams at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

“The difference between the men’s and women’s prize money is ridiculous,” Tatjana Haenni, who oversaw women’s soccer for FIFA before stepping down in 2017, said, according to the Associated Press. “It’s really disappointing the gap between the men’s and women’s World Cups got bigger. It sends the wrong message.”

Like I said it’s being discussed because obviously it’s related and part of the wider issue. But the equal pay equal play campaign is relating to the wages of the USWNT and is related to the ongoing court case.

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:21

Not quite sure what the issue is here. If the point is that national football associations should pay women the same as men then yeah, some obvious logic in that. But what they get paid by their clubs is surely a matter of market forces?

And what is meant by the "equal play" bit?

They're saying they play the same game, so they want to be paid the same money. As Croesy is saying, it is a bit different in the states, as the USWNT seems to generate more money than the USMNT.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:22

That article doesn't quote any sources or references. It's hardly robust.
So suddenly Forbes are unreliable cos they don't agree with your opinion :biggrin:

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:25

So suddenly Forbes are unreliable cos they don't agree with your opinion :biggrin:

No, I've found it. That number relates to the Women's World Cup in 2011. Let's use 8 years old data and not question it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/questions-of-equal-pay-brought-to-light-after-womens-world-cup-win/

Also, any comment on this?

The Wall Street Journal reports that from 2016 to 2018, U.S. women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men's games.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:26

Surely basing the whole argument on income generated isn’t the point anyway, the women’s game given chance to grow the same way the men’s game has could generate a lot more money and paying the players more could help attract more people to the game and grow the women’s game too.

What’s wrong with that?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:29

FIFA’s record finances reignites World Cup pay parity debate

U.S. coach Jill Ellis, who is leading her team’s title defense in France, said she is disappointed with the financial rewards.

“You want to make sure there is a fair apportionment of winnings going out,” Ellis said.

Most upsetting to critics is the fact that the financial gulf appears to be growing. FIFA has doubled the overall prize money fund to $30 million since the last Women’s World Cup in Canada in 2015. But that total amount is less than the $40 million increase that men’s World Cup prize money will get in 2022 — for a total of $440 million in prize money.

https://www.apnews.com/e05ab72c3cb04a1485094cc923162e99

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:29

The Wall Street Journal reports that from 2016 to 2018, U.S. women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men's games.

Men. Women.
Games played 20. 20
Pay per win. $17,625. $1,359
Pay per loss. $5000. 0
Selected for WC. $68,000. $15,000
WC bonus. $9mill. $2mill.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:31

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:32

https://www.apnews.com/e05ab72c3cb04a1485094cc923162e99

Yes we've discussed this on the last page that it is part of the discussion because percentage wise men get more of the income generated compared to the women (14% to 7% I think)

But the equal pay equal play debate is to do with the wages paid to the US players.

Instead of just googling and posting links that you think back you up why not try and learn about a subject before having such a staunch opinion on it?

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:33

Is that how you would run a business by paying wages of 3.5 x your turnover?

Isn't that what men's football teams do?

Comparing the growth of a worldwide sport to a normal business is pretty disingenuous isn't it? Look at the worldwide audience for this world cup, there's potential there and if people are interested in making money growing the game could make millions.

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:35

The Wall Street Journal reports that from 2016 to 2018, U.S. women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men's games.

Wales-Bales, are you there? Hello?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:36

Isn't that what men's football teams do?

Comparing the growth of a worldwide sport to a normal business is pretty disingenuous isn't it? Look at the worldwide audience for this world cup, there's potential there and if people are interested in making money growing the game could make millions.
No.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:37

Yes we've discussed this on the last page that it is part of the discussion because percentage wise men get more of the income generated compared to the women (14% to 7% I think)

But the equal pay equal play debate is to do with the wages paid to the US players.

Instead of just googling and posting links that you think back you up why not try and learn about a subject before having such a staunch opinion on it?
They want more prize money .. a lot more!

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:39

They want more prize money .. a lot more!

That's not what the campaign is about though, it's about wanting equald wages because they play the same amount of games and bring in more revenue. Do you think that's fair?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:41

That's not what the campaign is about though, it's about wanting equald wages because they play the same amount of games and bring in more revenue. Do you think that's fair?
The US coach said they want more prize money!

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:41

They want more prize money .. a lot more!

Let's say it did only relate to the win bonus, Fifa couldn't possibly afford to increase the prize money and help grow the women's game and make it self suffficient after 10s of years of it being held back.

Infantino acknowledged that FIFA currently has vast cash reserves, more than $2.7 billion: “We don’t need all this money in the Swiss banks,” he said. “The Swiss banks have enough money.”

Would it make sense for the governing body of world football to increase prize money and investment into the womens' game after it's proven to be quite popular?

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:42

The US coach said they want more prize money!

And they do because the women don't get anywhere near the same percentage of revenue generated that the men do.

But the equal pay campaign has been going on for over a year and is based on the wages of the USWNT. why don't you just answer the question?

it's about wanting equald wages because they play the same amount of games and bring in more revenue. Do you think that's fair?

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:44

Wales-bales why are you against the prize money for the women's world cup being increased?

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:44

why don't you just answer the question?

Because he can't.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:45

Would it make sense for the governing body of world football to increase prize money and investment into the womens' game after it's proven to be quite popular?
FIFA should be disbanded cos they are corrupt, and men's and women's football should be run separately so that they can both maximise their own potential.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:46

Weird tangent to go on

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:47

FIFA should be disbanded cos they are corrupt, and men's and women's football should be run separately so that they can both maximise their own potential.

:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::h ehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::heh e:

Fair play, that made me laugh.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:47

Just to reiterrate even though prize money was mentioned after they won the world cup the real issue is the wages paid to both of the US teams:

Breaking...statement from spokesperson for @USWNT players involved in equal pay lawsuit v @ussoccer: “At this moment of tremendous pride for America, the sad equation remains all too clear, and Americans won’t stand for it anymore These athletes generate more revenue and garner higher tv ratings but get paid less simply because they are women. It is time for the Federation to correct this disparity once and for all.

I'll ask again is this fair?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:47

Wales-bales why are you against the prize money for the women's world cup being increased?
It's simple economics, they don't produce enough revenue to receive parity with the men's game.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:50

Just to reiterrate even though prize money was mentioned after they won the world cup the real issue is the wages paid to both of the US teams:

I'll ask again is this fair?
Like I said split them into two and let each look after their own interests, and then they can pay them according to revenue.

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:50

It's simple economics, they don't produce enough revenue to receive parity with the men's game.

The Wall Street Journal reports that from 2016 to 2018, U.S. women's games generated about $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for men's games..

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:52

:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::h ehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::heh e:

Fair play, that made me laugh.
That's how I would run a business, they are separate entities with different long-term objectives.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:53

It's simple economics, they don't produce enough revenue to receive parity with the men's game.

They don’t want parity on prize money though, they want it to be increased because they’re getting a much smaller cut of the revenue generated.

They want parity on wages because they earn more revenue than the men’s team.

What’s wrong with either of those things?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:53

.
I'm talking about the $440 million prize money.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:54

They don’t want parity on prize money though, they want it to be increased because they’re getting a much smaller cut of the revenue generated.

They want parity on wages because they earn more revenue than the men’s team.

What’s wrong with either of those things?
They get a bigger % of the revenue than the men do.

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 13:55

That's how I would run a business, they are separate entities with different long-term objectives.

Reading this thread you’d struggle to run a bath. You’ve tied yourself in knots furiously arguing against something you’ve got literally no idea about.

Why do you even care so much about this to have such a strong opinion on it?

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 13:57

Reading this thread you’d struggle to run a bath. You’ve tied yourself in knots furiously arguing against something you’ve got literally no idea about.

Why do you even care so much about this to have such a strong opinion on it?

Because it's WB. And sadly he's sucked me in.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 13:57

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 13:58

They get a bigger % of the revenue than the men do.

In terms of prize money they do not. Prize money was only mentioned in passing anyway.

The real issue is the USWNT want parity with the men because they generate more revenue, is that bad?

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 13:59

The solution is simple, if the women aren't happy they should break-away and run their own affairs.

Why?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:00

Because it's WB. And sadly he's sucked me in.
I'm not the one who is moaning about wanting more money. You always focus on other people instead of the subject under discussion :biggrin:

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:01

Why?
Because they have different objectives.

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 14:02

I'm not the one who is moaning about wanting more money. You always focus on other people instead of the subject under discussion :biggrin:

WB, for the love of all things holy, I have explained that the US women generate more money than the men. I have rammed this fact down your throat. You have willfully ignored it to spout other shite. The US women want to be paid the same as the men. If anything, they should be paid more, at least by your logic. Please, just stop.

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:03

I'm not the one who is moaning about wanting more money. You always focus on other people instead of the subject under discussion :biggrin:

Why do you not want them to have more money?

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:03

Because they have different objectives.

They both seem to want to play football and make a living from it don’t they?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:06

WB, for the love of all things holy, I have explained that the US women generate more money than the men. I have rammed this fact down your throat. You have willfully ignored it to spout other shite. The US women want to be paid the same as the men. If anything, they should be paid more, at least by your logic. Please, just stop.
I'm talking primarily about the world cup, so in the long rung the women are better off going it alone. The US is only one country, what about the rest of the players? They should develop the woman's game separately, and not be restricted by FIFA.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:17

They both seem to want to play football and make a living from it don’t they?
So do models, but the men get paid 75% less.

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:18

So do models, but the men get paid 75% less.

They should try and close the pay gap then.

What’s their pay got to do with prize money though?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:20

They should try and close the pay gap then.

What’s their pay got to do with prize money though?
Woman's fashion generates more money, so the female models get paid more. It's simple economics.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 14:20

So do models, but the men get paid 75% less.

The USWNT brings in more revenue than the men's team they should get equal pay.

Do male models bring in as much revenue as female models?

Not sure what that has got to do with prize money though?

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:21

Woman's fashion generates more money, so the female models get paid more.

So you agree the USA women’s team should get equal ( or more!) pay to the men’s team then?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:24

So you agree the USA women’s team should get equal ( or more!) pay to the men’s team then?
What about the female players in other countries?

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 14:25

What about the female players in other countries?

Who's talking about them? As long as they're fairly paid and happy that they're fairly paid I don't see a problem.

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:26

What about the female players in other countries?
Why haven’t you answered the question?

So you agree the USA women’s team should get equal ( or more!) pay to the men’s team then?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:27

Who's talking about them? As long as they're fairly paid and happy that they're fairly paid I don't see a problem.
It's a bit wierd only wanting one team to recieve equal pay. That's not the best way to develop women's football is it.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:29

Why haven’t you answered the question?

So you agree the USA women’s team should get equal ( or more!) pay to the men’s team then?
It's not important in the grand scheme of things (unless you are dating one of them!)

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 14:29

It's a bit wierd only wanting one team to recieve equal pay. That's not the best way to develop women's football is it.

It's wanting one team to recieve fair wages based on the income they generate. What's weird about that?

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:30

It's not important in the grand scheme of things (unless you are dating one of them!)
Why start a thread about and take such a strong counter point for 3 pages it if it isn’t important?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:31

It's wanting one team to recieve fair wages based on the income they generate. What's weird about that?
That's why I said they should break-away and run their own affairs, and then they can pay each other what they want.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 14:32

That's why I said they should break-away and run their own affairs, and then they can pay each other what they want.

They can pay each other what they want now.

Don't you think it wouldn't make sense to split away from them now after the most succesful and most watched tournement in the history of the womens' game?

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:34

Why start a thread about and take such a strong counter point for 3 pages it if it isn’t important?
So out of all the female players in the world, you only want 23 of them to recieve equal pay? That is a very bizarre viewpoint.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 14:36

They can pay each other what they want now.

Don't you think it wouldn't make sense to split away from them now after the most succesful and most watched tournement in the history of the womens' game?
The world cup is the big money spinner and they lost out on $30m due to being controlled by FIFA.

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 14:36

So out of all the female players in the world, you only want 23 of them to recieve equal pay? That is a very bizarre viewpoint.

Where have I said that?

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 14:38

The world cup is the big money spinner and they lost out on $30m.

How does that relate to what you're replying to?

JDerrida

09-07-19, 14:42

Men. Women.
Games played 20. 20
Pay per win. $17,625. $1,359
Pay per loss. $5000. 0
Selected for WC. $68,000. $15,000
WC bonus. $9mill. $2mill.

So what USWNT want is equal pay with their male counterparts at World Cups.

I can certainly see their argument based on their their comparative revenues they achieve.

It should NOT be based on results as evidently the USMNT have got a lot of catching up to do compared with other countries.

USWNT have taken a lead role in developing the women's game, hence their dominance.

The crux of the matter, however is the total revenue achieved at each gender's World Cup and relative share from those.

If USWNT want the same pay as their male counterparts, then that needs to come from the revenue achieved at the Women's World Cup. Their arguments will then be with the other Women's federations, as their percentage will be significantly higher than the winner of the men's World Cup.

The sums available to the other women's teams will be less.

Ultimately, USWNT want a bigger slice of a smaller cake.

Development of the women's game is a separate issue and should not cloud a potentially legal issue.

Croesy Blue

09-07-19, 14:44

So what USWNT want is equal pay with their male counterparts at World Cups.

No. They want equal wages for playing for the national team.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 15:00

No. They want equal wages for playing for the national team.
Don't the men get higher bonuses during qualification because the USSF can recoup a larger sum of money if they qualify for a world cup?

rudy gestede

09-07-19, 15:01

Don't the men get higher win bonuses during qualification because the USSF can recoup a larger sum of money if they qualify for a world cup?
Show us where you just googled this mate, ****ing shameless :hehe:

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 15:05

Show us where you just googled this mate, ****ing shameless :hehe:
As mentioned numerous times in this thread the prize pot is approximately 13.3 bigger for the men.

Wales-Bales

09-07-19, 15:07

So what USWNT want is equal pay with their male counterparts at World Cups.

I can certainly see their argument based on their their comparative revenues they achieve.

It should NOT be based on results as evidently the USMNT have got a lot of catching up to do compared with other countries.

USWNT have taken a lead role in developing the women's game, hence their dominance.

The crux of the matter, however is the total revenue achieved at each gender's World Cup and relative share from those.

If USWNT want the same pay as their male counterparts, then that needs to come from the revenue achieved at the Women's World Cup. Their arguments will then be with the other Women's federations, as their percentage will be significantly higher than the winner of the men's World Cup.

The sums available to the other women's teams will be less.

Ultimately, USWNT want a bigger slice of a smaller cake.

Development of the women's game is a separate issue and should not cloud a potentially legal issue.
You are not allowed to talk sense in this thread :redcard:

Pedro de la Rosa

09-07-19, 15:20

You are not allowed to talk sense in this thread :redcard:

FIFA don't pay the USWNT players.

JDerrida

09-07-19, 19:18

FIFA don't pay the USWNT players.

Who does?

Baloo

09-07-19, 21:46

Who does?
The national associations/federations.

Croesy Blue

10-07-19, 07:51

You are not allowed to talk sense in this thread :redcard:

Is that why you've posted non stop nonsense?

Croesy Blue

10-07-19, 07:52

FIFA don't pay the USWNT players.

I can't believe people have been arguing for 4 pages and didn't even realise this. Why take such a strong opinion on something that isn't fully understood?

lardy

10-07-19, 08:25

Out of interest, which of us will be affected should these American players earn more money?

I can't understand why some in this thread are so passionate.

Croesy Blue

10-07-19, 08:29

Out of interest, which of us will be affected should these American players earn more money?

I can't understand why some in this thread are so passionate.

Someone will be along shortly to shout economics at you.

The Gifaffe

10-07-19, 08:57

Equal play? Did they play against the men?

In what other industry other than sport do women get paid the same as men when they don't compete with the men?

Does Theresa May preside over the women's parliament?

Is Cressida Dick the Chief of the Metropolitan Policewomen only?

Does J.K.Rowling sell books only to women?

Ridiculous argument.

rudy gestede

10-07-19, 09:18

Equal play? Did they play against the men?

In what other industry other than sport do women get paid the same as men when they don't compete with the men?

Ridiculous argument.
Is it still a ridiculous argument when the women bring in more revenue than the men?

Why would it bother you if the women were Paid the same as men?

Croesy Blue

10-07-19, 09:19

The Bob Banker Spanker

10-07-19, 09:19

JDerrida

10-07-19, 09:32

I can't believe people have been arguing for 4 pages and didn't even realise this. Why take such a strong opinion on something that isn't fully understood?

For much this thread we were talking about the World Cup comparisons. Surely FIFA would be in charge of the purse strings for that.

If the federations pay, then surely it is quite simple.

The team should get an equal percentage of total receipts, irrespective of gender.

If USWNT generate more total receipts (gate money, merchandise, TV and advertising rights, etc.) than their male counterparts, then the should receive more money than their male counterparts.

That's great, what's the problem?

Croesy Blue

10-07-19, 09:46

JDerrida

10-07-19, 10:57

The thread is about equal pay equal play which is about the wages the USWNT receive. They receive much less than the men despite bringing in more revenue.

There is a side point that it would be good if the women’s prize money was increased, but not to the level of the men’s World Cup. I’m not talking about that but I don’t think increasing the prize money would be a bad thing.

You might not be talking about that, but many others were.

The women's game outside of the USA, may be careful what they wish for.

It really is down to the relative success of each team or individual.

That applies to virtually every sport.

Women's football wanting equal pay with their male counterparts is ridiculous.

It's a bit like the Solihull Moors players wanting the same money as Man City players.

They both play a game of football for the same number of minutes.

However, each team should be paid the same percentage of total receipts, irrespective of gender and capability.

USWNT will gain, the majority of the women's game will lose out.

Wales-Bales

10-07-19, 11:00

According to this they had different types of deals, per season and per match.

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/15277241/us-soccer-federation-says-uswnt-earns-only-22-percent-less-men

Wales-Bales

10-07-19, 11:06

You might not be talking about that, but many others were.

The women's game outside of the USA, may be careful what they wish for.

It really is down to the relative success of each team or individual.

That applies to virtually every sport.

Women's football wanting equal pay with their male counterparts is ridiculous.

It's a bit like the Solihull Moors players wanting the same money as Man City players.

They both play a game of football for the same number of minutes.

However, each team should be paid the same percentage of total receipts, irrespective of gender and capability.

USWNT will gain, the majority of the women's game will lose out.
They could also request the splitting of TV & sponsorship deals, to find out the true worth each team. At the moment one side is benefitting more than the other.

Croesy Blue

10-07-19, 11:40

According to this they had different types of deals, per season and per match.

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/15277241/us-soccer-federation-says-uswnt-earns-only-22-percent-less-men

If that's all correct what is the point ofthe court case? Just seems a comlpete waste of time.

Wales-Bales

10-07-19, 18:18

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The Gifaffe

10-07-19, 19:08

Why would it bother you if the women were Paid the same as men?

It wouldn't. What bothers me is that if I want a pay rise I either get promotion, change job or renegotiate my contract with my employer instead of bitching about it on social media. It pisses me off when I hear male footballers moan in the same way claiming they're some sort of slave, for instance.

In the case in point, it sounds like they may need a better agent.