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I can't think of any apart from Etheridge and Zohore initially, after that who has kicked on during his tenure? I wouldn't say that he makes players worse although he certainly doesn't refine their ability due to the way he plays. If players don't improve then things either stay the same if we're lucky or they go backwards especially if the a squad isn't improved, what are peoples thoughts.
J R Hartley
28-08-19, 20:36
I’m sure some more have improved but certainly nowhere the amount of players who seem to have got worse.
You only have to look at his record of signing players and not using them. I appreciate not all signings work but it’s alarming the amount of players we’ve signed in the last 4 windows who can’t get in the team or are not very good.
thehumblegringo
28-08-19, 20:38
Joe Ralls has to be fair
Do we need all these new threads about Warnock. Could we keep them all to one or two.
Getting ridiculous. You would think we were about to be relegated the amount of bandwagon jumping going on.
life on mars
28-08-19, 20:41
Paddy Kenny .
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J R Hartley
28-08-19, 20:42
Do we need all these new threads about Warnock. Could we keep them all to one or two.
Getting ridiculous. You would think we were about to be relegated the amount of bandwagon jumping going on.
Shock horror. New threads on a football forum.
Shock horror. New threads on a football forum.
Another hour another Warnock bashing thread when there's already plenty. Nothing wrong with the content, if that's your thing, but I don't get why it needs another when there's plenty discussing him already.
Another hour another Warnock bashing thread when there's already plenty. Nothing wrong with the content, if that's your thing, but I don't get why it needs another when there's plenty discussing him already.
Start some positive ones to combat it if they get you that wound up.
Tell us all about his plan B when plan A (if there is one) goes t!ts up and what it entails.
In response to the OP I think he initially improves players by getting into their heads and motivating them but many revert to type when the novelty wears off as seen with Zohore.
Another hour another Warnock bashing thread when there's already plenty. Nothing wrong with the content, if that's your thing, but I don't get why it needs another when there's plenty discussing him already.
I'm asking a genuine football question, i'm not insulting him or getting personal. I am critical of him and was during our promotion season as well. I've also given him credit when it has been deserved.
J R Hartley
28-08-19, 20:49
Another hour another Warnock bashing thread when there's already plenty. Nothing wrong with the content, if that's your thing, but I don't get why it needs another when there's plenty discussing him already.
It’s a completely separate topic. Does he improve players?
Surely the purpose of football message boards to discuss different football topics, especially ones that concern your own club?
Why don’t you start a topic if you feel so strongly against the ones currently on offer?
Start some positive ones to combat it if they get you that wound up.
Tell us all about his plan B when plan A (if there is one) goes t!ts up and what it entails.
In response to the OP I think he initially improves players by getting into their heads and motivating them but many revert to type when the novelty wears off as seen with Zohore.
Hardly much point in any positive threads right now, be ruined within minutes. Anyway I'm far from wound up, the thread content is fine, I just don't see why we can't all contribute to one or two longer threads
It’s a completely separate topic. Does he improve players?
Surely the purpose of football message boards to discuss different football topics, especially ones that concern your own club?
Why don’t you start a topic if you feel so strongly against the ones currently on offer?
My post wasn't even critical, i'm just asking a question and giving an opinion.
I'm asking a genuine football question, i'm not insulting him or getting personal. I am critical of him and was during our promotion season as well. I've also given him credit when it has been deserved.
Not a problem with it really, there's certainly an anti Warnock vibe atm but it's a forum so go for it. I just don't see how it couldn't have blended nicely into one of the others. They hardly all stick to the op anyway.
Least yours is about Warnock, in a Warnock thread it would have gone nicely.
Hardly much point in any positive threads right now, be ruined within minutes. Anyway I'm far from wound up, the thread content is fine, I just don't see why we can't all contribute to one or two longer threads
I understand your point but we could probably do that with loads of the football content on here, it sort of rolls into one.
Hardly much point in any positive threads right now, be ruined within minutes. Anyway I'm far from wound up, the thread content is fine, I just don't see why we can't all contribute to one or two longer threads
They're all separate topics though surely?
How can you lump 'Do players improve under Warnock?' in with 'Does Warnock have a plan B?' or something of that nature? It wouldn't flow and would be all over the shop reply wise.
Not a problem with it really, there's certainly an anti Warnock vibe atm but it's a forum so go for it. I just don't see how it couldn't have blended nicely into one of the others. They hardly all stick to the op anyway.
Least yours is about Warnock, in a Warnock thread it would have gone nicely.
Fair enough.
They're all separate topics though surely?
How can you lump 'Do players improve under Warnock?' in with 'Does Warnock have a plan B?' or something of that nature? It wouldn't flow and would be all over the shop reply wise.
But it basically all comes to the same point, it's all about Warnock, most of them all go off on a tangent anyway.
Other forums manage to get by with far far fewer threads.
The op wasn't being particularly critical but this one will morph into that soon enough, there's plenty of it on here already. Meh maybe I'm just being a miserable bastard.
The Lone Gunman
28-08-19, 21:10
Do we need all these new threads about Warnock.
Do you need to keep contributing to all these threads about Warnock?
But it basically all comes to the same point, it's all about Warnock, most of them all go off on a tangent anyway.
Other forums manage to get by with far far fewer threads.
The op wasn't being particularly critical but this one will morph into that soon enough, there's plenty of it on here already. Meh maybe I'm just being a miserable bastard.
But even if i am being critical that's fine, isn't it?
The Lone Gunman
28-08-19, 21:14
I can't think of any apart from Etheridge and Zohore initially, after that who has kicked on during his tenure? I wouldn't say that he makes players worse although he certainly doesn't refine their ability due to the way he plays. If players don't improve then things either stay the same if we're lucky or they go backwards especially if the a squad isn't improved, what are peoples thoughts.
How about Morrison? Would it be fair to say he improved under Warnock? Personally, I think he looked better in 2017/18 under Warnock than he did in any previous season at City and he didn't disgrace himself last season either.
He's looked pretty ropey this season, but maybe it's one season too many for him and 2017/18 was his peak.
Do you need to keep contributing to all these threads about Warnock?
Haha. Why not? What the forum is for. I'd prefer to post on fewer threads though. Not because it's particularly an arduous job to post on them but it just keeps the forum cleaner.
How about Morrison? Would it be fair to say he improved under Warnock? Personally, I think he looked better in 2017/18 under Warnock than he did in any previous season at City and he didn't disgrace himself last season either.
He's looked pretty ropey this season, but maybe it's one season too many for him and 2017/18 was his peak.
Agreed, I think this is a little like Warnock himself, one season too many. Everything has its time.
The Lone Gunman
28-08-19, 21:19
Haha. Why not? What the forum is for. I'd prefer to post on fewer threads though. Not because it's particularly an arduous job to post on them but it just keeps the forum cleaner.
It just amuses me to see people complaining about the content of a thread while contributing to it, therefore keeping it active. Happens all the time.
But even if i am being critical that's fine, isn't it?
Of course, each to their own mate, wasn't really a dig at you. The knives are out though and fewer threads might be easier for people to keep up with, maybe not.
A loss on Friday would mean a full page of it.
It just amuses me to see people complaining about the content of a thread while contributing to it, therefore keeping it active. Happens all the time.
Content is fine, don't agree with it all but it's fine, I just think most of these threads could go onto ones that are currently open. Maybe just me.
How about Morrison? Would it be fair to say he improved under Warnock? Personally, I think he looked better in 2017/18 under Warnock than he did in any previous season at City and he didn't disgrace himself last season either.
He's looked pretty ropey this season, but maybe it's one season too many for him and 2017/18 was his peak.
Maybe, has Warnock made him better or was it Morrison naturally peaking? I suppose that's a bit harsh so i'll credit Warmock. I'd say that Morrison looked more confident under Warnock, more of a leader and more willing to exert himself. Maybe that was Warnocks man management and maybe Morrison is the perfect kind of player for Warnock to motivate.
Etheridge's progress is probably down to Andy Dibble.
Morisson has looked far more comfortable, and has led well.
Bamba has arguably had some of his better form over the last few years.
Peltier similarly. When they first joined, Leeds fans would have pissed themselves laughing if you had mentioned Peltier and Bamba would be in the PL with us and putting in decent performances.
Etheridge as you mention.
Hoilett maybe for consistency during the championship season.
NML? Like etheridge he has come from a lower league and may have gone on to do well anyway but without Warnock giving them that chance and paying them they quite possibly wouldn't have.
I think his strength is making the game simple, players know their job, there's a clarity to it.
Other managers go out of their way to make it complicated when the game itself is quite simple.
Etheridge's progress is probably down to Andy Dibble.
Yup, although Warnock brought both Dibble and Etheridge to the club so i have to give him credit.
Morisson has looked far more comfortable, and has led well.
Bamba has arguably had some of his better form over the last few years.
Peltier similarly. When they first joined, Leeds fans would have pissed themselves laughing if you had mentioned Peltier and Bamba would be in the PL with us and putting in decent performances.
Etheridge as you mention.
Hoilett maybe for consistency during the championship season.
NML? Like etheridge he has come from a lower league and may have gone on to do well anyway but without Warnock giving them that chance and paying them they quite possibly wouldn't have.
I think his strength is making the game simple, players know their job, there's a clarity to it.
Other managers go out of their way to make it complicated when the game itself is quite simple.
I would say that he motivates the players you've mentioned and gives them belief and confidence as oppossed to improving them technically. That's great in the short term and with players it seems who aren't technically great. Could Warnock improve an already technically gifted player whether inexperienced or established? i have my doubts.
The Lone Gunman
28-08-19, 21:52
Maybe, has Warnock made him better or was it Morrison naturally peaking? I suppose that's a bit harsh so i'll credit Warmock. I'd say that Morrison looked more confident under Warnock, more of a leader and more willing to exert himself. Maybe that was Warnocks man management and maybe Morrison is the perfect kind of player for Warnock to motivate.
I think Morrison also flourished alongside Bamba (who Warnock brought in). He looks nowhere near as assured next to Flint.
thehumblegringo
28-08-19, 21:55
Morisson has looked far more comfortable, and has led well.
Bamba has arguably had some of his better form over the last few years.
Peltier similarly. When they first joined, Leeds fans would have pissed themselves laughing if you had mentioned Peltier and Bamba would be in the PL with us and putting in decent performances.
Etheridge as you mention.
Hoilett maybe for consistency during the championship season.
NML? Like etheridge he has come from a lower league and may have gone on to do well anyway but without Warnock giving them that chance and paying them they quite possibly wouldn't have.
I think his strength is making the game simple, players know their job, there's a clarity to it.
Other managers go out of their way to make it complicated when the game itself is quite simple.
I completely disagree with you last sentence and a perfect way to illustrate this is the case of Leeds United.
They were a basket case before Bielsa arrived at the club and you can say what you like say about them failing at the last hurdle etc, some of the football their players have been playing has been off the scale and that's down to Bielsa's coaching.
Another case in hand is Swansea under Martinez. Players like Monk and Tate were journeyman footballers til Martinez got hold of them and they managed to go through the divisions and make very good careers for themselves.
I think Morrison also flourished alongside Bamba (who Warnock brought in). He looks nowhere near as assured next to Flint.
Agree, Bamba is very good at 'mopping up' i suppose it gave Morrison confidence. Flint is poor.
Yup, although Warnock brought both Dibble and Etheridge to the club so i have to give him credit.
Wow, just realised that Andy Dibble was only 18 during our promotion season 82/83 a baby in goalkeeping terms. This was back when the game was still very physical.
I completely disagree with you last sentence and a perfect way to illustrate this is the case of Leeds United.
They were a basket case before Bielsa arrived at the club and you can say what you like say about them failing at the last hurdle etc, some of the football their players have been playing has been off the scale and that's down to Bielsa's coaching.
Another case in hand is Swansea under Martinez. Players like Monk and Tate were journeyman footballers til Martinez got hold of them and they managed to go through the divisions and make very good careers for themselves.
But bielsa and martinez are exceptional coaches. Other managers that don't have their talent or eye for tactics can make the game complicated when it's counter productive.
Warnock knows what he wants from his squad and he communicates that exceptionally well.
Some managers may have a fantastic grasp at tactics but have no player management skills.
As good as bielsa is, he oversaw a huge collapse last season, did they bottle it, were they overworked and ran out of steam? Either way it was a hell of a drop off in performance level.
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