View Full Version : The much maligned Flint
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
We've conceded 3 goals (so far) tonight against a Division 4 team.
life on mars
15-01-20, 21:26
Yes, poor defending is reported.
dembethewarrior
15-01-20, 21:28
That's the hung with stats..
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
Or evening out defensive errors. He's not in the team to score goals, that should be a bonus on top of good defending. If he has defended poorly tonight then the two goals he would've scored wont really mean that much to him. Maybe he should play upfront.
Llandaff Blue
15-01-20, 21:33
he's not a striker. his job is to defend
SunderlandBluebird
15-01-20, 21:41
And still in a negative on goal contributions.
Would be happy to bring him on up front for 20 mins every game to save him causing any problems at the back
Bobby Dandruff
15-01-20, 21:44
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
I suspect playing against teams like Carlisle is more his level as he certainly isn’t a Championship standard defender.
Not from what I have seen since he has been at Cardiff City anyway.
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
I've seen milk turn quicker than Flint
His distribution is woeful
He can't tackle
He's got no positional sense whatsoever
He was a very poor signing
He's an average League One defender
Apart from that he's fine
Jimmy the Jock
15-01-20, 21:52
I listened to Radio Cumbria .
They thought he was woeful .
Unfortunately .
Did he pay off his transfer fee tonight ? :hehe:
I've seen milk turn quicker than Flint
His distribution is woeful
He can't tackle
He's got no positional sense whatsoever
He was a very poor signing
He's an average League One defender
Apart from that he's fine
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
It proves nothing other than he had three good seasons with Bristol City. He wasn't rated at Boro and he's not rated many here. Even you have to admit he's cost more than his fair share of goals this season.
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
Okay you're right he's a fantastic signing worth twice the purported £4M we paid for him
He reminds me of Franz Beckenbaur and Rio Ferdinand all rolled into one
Majestic on the ball and could probably hold Bolt off over a quick sprint
He's ability to read the game is second to none and he will probably get called up for the Euros in the summer
dembethewarrior
15-01-20, 22:35
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
You've used goals and appearances to disprove a post saying he can't tackle, is slow at turning, he has poor distribution, he's got no positional sense... Sums you up :hehe:
He scored 15 League goals in one season a few years ago of Bristol City. Which is better than any of our strikers have done for years. But he's there to defend.
Eric the Half a Bee
15-01-20, 22:39
You've used goals and appearances to disprove a post saying he can't tackle, is slow at turning, he has poor distribution, he's got no positional sense... Sums you up :hehe:
:hehe: Spot on!
I listened to Radio Cumbria .
They thought he was woeful .
Unfortunately .
Wales Online have him as Man Of The Match!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-player-ratings-defensive-17575353
Based only on the club audio commentary, I am in Radio Cumbria's camp!
he's not a striker. his job is to defend
Maybe he should be?
A cheaper alternative than Moore and has scored more goals this season.
Eric the Half a Bee
15-01-20, 22:45
Maybe he should be?
A cheaper alternative than Moore and has scored more goals this season.
We could have a strike partnership of players who were brought in as a centre back and right back. So glad Warnock knew a forward when he saw one.....
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
40 goals conceded in his 26 league games tends to back up olderblue's assertions
Bobby Dandruff
15-01-20, 22:51
We could have a strike partnership of players who were brought in as a centre back and right back. So glad Warnock knew a forward when he saw one.....
Lol
Okay you're right he's a fantastic signing worth twice the purported £4M we paid for him
He reminds me of Franz Beckenbaur and Rio Ferdinand all rolled into one
Majestic on the ball and could probably hold Bolt off over a quick sprint
He's ability to read the game is second to none and he will probably get called up for the Euros in the summer
He reminds you of Beckenbaur and Ferdinand and you reckon he's as fast as Bolt, and you value him at £8m? Clueless about football
Okay you're right he's a fantastic signing worth twice the purported £4M we paid for him
He reminds me of Franz Beckenbaur and Rio Ferdinand all rolled into one
Majestic on the ball and could probably hold Bolt off over a quick sprint
He's ability to read the game is second to none and he will probably get called up for the Euros in the summer
In place of Harry Kane:hehe:
BlueArmy 86
16-01-20, 00:13
5 goals 4 assists? He should be playing in the hole. Just imagine
Pedro de la Rosa
16-01-20, 00:29
I suspect playing against teams like Carlisle is more his level as he certainly isn’t a Championship standard defender.
Not from what I have seen since he has been at Cardiff City anyway.
He's had good and bad games. Our defensive problems are not down to Flint, they're a team issue. Judging on his displays against Carlisle, there's a reason we've not seen Coxe in the league.
Moodybluebird
16-01-20, 00:54
[QUOTE=delmbox;5038892]He reminds you of Beckenbaur and Ferdinand and you reckon he's as fast as Bolt, and you value him at £8m? Clueless about football[/QUOTE
Umm I think that's called irony Delmbox.
He reminds you of Beckenbaur and Ferdinand and you reckon he's as fast as Bolt, and you value him at £8m? Clueless about football
Umm I think that's called irony Delmbox.
I think Delmbox was also doing a bit of the old irony.
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
dembethewarrior
16-01-20, 07:05
"so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence."
Everybody from actors, pop stars, athlete's, darts players, random famous people they all get criticised.
How many times have you seen a boxer get ripped to shreds (Price comes to mind) and just get on with it?
If a few people posting their opinions on him (he's slow, turns like he's tap dancing on honey etc) knock his confidence then he isn't strong enough to be here.
I'm not saying he should automatically have to take it, but it's there and it's part of the game and they are comments based on his ability, which as a pro will always come under scrutiny. But you love having a pop at the fans anyway don't you.
Bobby Dandruff
16-01-20, 07:34
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play)
So whereas the form of the other defenders and Etheridge HAS dipped, I don’t see how Flint’s time at the club can be seen as anything other than very poor.
First impressions are often right (it was evident that Madine was useless from the very first time I saw him!) and nothing that I have seen from Flint so far, at this level, has impressed me. In fact, I often wonder if the opposition (and their fans!) see him in the team and think ‘Great, get the ball on the floor and isolate him and we’ll cause problems’ - see Brentford and QPR)
Now, I remember that Morrison was similar to Flint when he arrived at the club and I had serious doubts, but has improved immeasurably so there IS hope.
That said, I just can’t see, and haven’t seen, a pairing of Morrison and Flint working (zero pace for example) and so having to be SO selective about who else to play alongside Flint severely limits team selection.
A bit like HAVING to play Pack as CDM and then fit the whole team around him as is is unable to play anywhere else. :-(
Currently he is possibly a squad player suited for games against lower league opposition like Carlisle, until he improves. Which is a very expensive was to spend £4m, or whatever he cost from Boro.
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play)
So whereas the form of the other defenders and Etheridge HAS dipped, I don’t see how Flint’s time at the club can be seen as anything other than very poor.
First impressions are often right (it was evident that Madine was useless from the very first time I saw him!) and nothing that I have seen from Flint so far, at this level, has impressed me. In fact, I often wonder if the opposition (and their fans!) see him in the team and think ‘Great, get the ball on the floor and isolate him and we’ll cause problems’ - see Brentford and QPR)
Now, I remember that Morrison was similar to Flint when he arrived at the club and I had serious doubts, but has improved immeasurably so there IS hope.
That said, I just can’t see, and haven’t seen, a pairing of Morrison and Flint working (zero pace for example) and so having to be SO selective about who else to play alongside Flint severely limits team selection.
A bit like HAVING to play Pack as CDM and then fit the whole team around him as is is unable to play anywhere else. :-(
Currently he is possibly a squad player suited for games against lower league opposition like Carlisle, until he improves. Which is a very expensive was to spend £4m, or whatever he cost from Boro.
It was very poor recruitment by Warnock in my view we lost Manga and replaced him with a player too similar to Morrison
I think Nelson was bought in as replacement for Sol, and I think he will make that position his own, I like the pairing of these two as I'm hopeful they will develop a Good partnership and understanding of each other's game.
Likewise I'm firmly in the camp of giving Glatzel and Whyte time to bed in and I think it's just plain daft to criticise a young fullbacks performance after two appearances.
Obviously I could be wrong about the lot of them, but I haven't seen anything in Flint or Pack which looks to me like they will be good additions to a team aiming for a top six finish.
Flint scored two goals against the team that is currently 21st ? In league two last night, more of a concern is how we shipped three goals against such lowly opposition!
LeningradCowboy
16-01-20, 09:30
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play)
So whereas the form of the other defenders and Etheridge HAS dipped, I don’t see how Flint’s time at the club can be seen as anything other than very poor.
First impressions are often right (it was evident that Madine was useless from the very first time I saw him!) and nothing that I have seen from Flint so far, at this level, has impressed me. In fact, I often wonder if the opposition (and their fans!) see him in the team and think ‘Great, get the ball on the floor and isolate him and we’ll cause problems’ - see Brentford and QPR)
Now, I remember that Morrison was similar to Flint when he arrived at the club and I had serious doubts, but has improved immeasurably so there IS hope.
That said, I just can’t see, and haven’t seen, a pairing of Morrison and Flint working (zero pace for example) and so having to be SO selective about who else to play alongside Flint severely limits team selection.
A bit like HAVING to play Pack as CDM and then fit the whole team around him as is is unable to play anywhere else. :-(
Currently he is possibly a squad player suited for games against lower league opposition like Carlisle, until he improves. Which is a very expensive was to spend £4m, or whatever he cost from Boro.
Morrison was 23 when we signed him. Flint is 30 and it's unlikely that he will improve at this stage of his career.
J R Hartley
16-01-20, 09:33
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
You swear you were a professional footballer the way you go on about your "playing career" ffs :hehe:
He was at fault for the first goal we conceded and actually turned his back on the 3rd goal before realising they had taken quickly and then reacted far too late.
He is a danger in the opposition box, there is no doubting that, but he is way too slow at the back and the way teams play today (Except us) you dont need a huge, commanding in the air centre half like you did in "your day".
As for Flints time at Boro he admitted himself he had a poor season so please stop trying to rewrite history to suit your argument.
The Hooded Claw
16-01-20, 09:59
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play).
He’s not the only difference, is he!
We’ve also lost Manga, brought in Nelson, used Coxe a little bit, Jazz has returned from injury, Sol has barely played and even used Bacuna a bit, too, so our defence is quite different to last season.
Saying that, I agree with the assessments here - he’s too slow and immobile. We shouldn’t be swayed by the goals scored, when the goals conceded are simply too high.
40 goals conceded in his 26 league games tends to back up olderblue's assertions
We'll be better with a centre two of Morrison and Nelson I feel.
Heisenberg
16-01-20, 12:03
You swear you were a professional footballer the way you go on about your "playing career" ffs :hehe:
He was at fault for the first goal we conceded and actually turned his back on the 3rd goal before realising they had taken quickly and then reacted far too late.
He is a danger in the opposition box, there is no doubting that, but he is way too slow at the back and the way teams play today (Except us) you dont need a huge, commanding in the air centre half like you did in "your day".
As for Flints time at Boro he admitted himself he had a poor season so please stop trying to rewrite history to suit your argument.
Didn't see say it was the worst season of his career? Pretty damning, if you ask me.
He was probably Boro's highest rated player on WhoScored.com though, so what does Flint know...
Heisenberg
16-01-20, 12:17
Didn't he say it was the worst season of his career? Pretty damning, if you ask me.
He was probably Boro's highest rated player on WhoScored.com though, so what does Flint know...
Corrected.
J R Hartley
16-01-20, 12:22
Didn't see say it was the worst season of his career? Pretty damning, if you ask me.
He was probably Boro's highest rated player on WhoScored.com though, so what does Flint know...
"Diabolical" was how he described his season in the article I read.
Jursset_BrisCity
16-01-20, 12:27
You play teams the standard of Carlisle United every week and I guarantee you Flint will score goals.
He is a menace at that level in the box and can head the ball powerfully from set pieces.
Sadly as my old man always said about him “he’s in the team to defend and not score and the fact he can head the ball means little at the back when he puts absolutely no direction on it at all”.
I like Big Aden. I always have because he always puts in effort and he cares.
But sadly in the Championship, he is exposed horrendously by faster, better players.
If you play Carlisle and the like each week he’ll do alright.
Sadly playing the likes of West Brom and Brentford, he looks awfully out of place.
In some ways I hope he goes back to L1 so he can enjoy his football.
I think Delmbox was also doing a bit of the old irony.
:hehe: :fishing:
Heisenberg
16-01-20, 12:36
"Diabolical" was how he described his season in the article I read.
Not quite as bad as I'd thought then :hehe:
“I'm hoping to improve this season – I mean it can't be hard to improve on last season because personally it was diabolical to be honest.”
dembethewarrior
16-01-20, 12:43
:hehe: :fishing:
Unbelievable how that wasn't spotted when he replied
I think Delmbox was also doing a bit of the old irony.
That old chestnut.
Bobby Dandruff
16-01-20, 13:22
It was very poor recruitment by Warnock in my view we lost Manga and replaced him with a player too similar to Morrison
I think Nelson was bought in as replacement for Sol, and I think he will make that position his own, I like the pairing of these two as I'm hopeful they will develop a Good partnership and understanding of each other's game.
Likewise I'm firmly in the camp of giving Glatzel and Whyte time to bed in and I think it's just plain daft to criticise a young fullbacks performance after two appearances.
Obviously I could be wrong about the lot of them, but I haven't seen anything in Flint or Pack which looks to me like they will be good additions to a team aiming for a top six finish.
Flint scored two goals against the team that is currently 21st ? In league two last night, more of a concern is how we shipped three goals against such lowly opposition!
Agree with all of that.
Bobby Dandruff
16-01-20, 13:22
Morrison was 23 when we signed him. Flint is 30 and it's unlikely that he will improve at this stage of his career.
That is a good point :-(
Bobby Dandruff
16-01-20, 13:28
He’s not the only difference, is he!
We’ve also lost Manga, brought in Nelson, used Coxe a little bit, Jazz has returned from injury, Sol has barely played and even used Bacuna a bit, too, so our defence is quite different to last season.
Saying that, I agree with the assessments here - he’s too slow and immobile. We shouldn’t be swayed by the goals scored, when the goals conceded are simply too high.
What I meant is that the first choice back 4 last year (in the Premier League!) was largely Pelts, Morrison, Bamba/Manga, Bennett.
The most significant change this season is Flint for Bamba/Manga. Coxe and Jazz have hardly played so far this season (Coxe has played twice I think and Jazz, maybe twice?), and Bacuna has been used infrequently in defence, and more in midfield.
Bobby Dandruff
16-01-20, 13:28
We'll be better with a centre two of Morrison and Nelson I feel.
Agreed.
The problem with flint is that he's so slow to react to danger and he struggles to adjust his feet. That's not his fault, that's just how he was made. He is strong in the air and he is good at attacking the ball but it's plainly obvious that he's not the type of defender who we want when teams are trying to create openings and pockets of space in or around the penalty box.
Morrison is a better defender and Nelson has better reactions and awareness than both of them. Flint and Morrison can't play together, they're to similar, they take up the same positions. Both of them need a player next to them who can read a situation and react quickly. Morrison is a better defender than flint.
Flint is the only player apart from Joe Ralls to score more than one goal in a game for us this season.
Bamba was 35 three days ago and has played 348 League games, with 148 of those in Scotland and 28 in Turkey and Italy.
Nelson is 26 and has already played 324 League games, most albeit at a lower level than the Championship.
Morrison is 29 and has played 320 League games (over 200 for us).
Flint is 30 and has played 338 League games, and scored 44 goals!
So we don't lack experience at the back, just getting the right combination, which I believe is Morrison and Nelson. In the home game v Carlisle though you could see that Morrison and Bamba work well together as they seemed to know exactly where the other one was and moved about like a unit, even though we combed two goals. The difference this season is obviously Flint replacing Manga. We can now with hindsight see how good Manga was for us and what he added to the defence. It's no coincidence that we are shipping goals now., he started 138 league games for us, and for the last two seasons under Warnock played 34 games at right back- what a waste .
splott parker
16-01-20, 14:15
It’s all very well being good in the air but directing the ball that’s won in the air is pretty vital. Just winning it isn’t enough at this level, well at any level really, heading it aimlessly forward normally results in the ball being picked up by opposing midfielders who are coming forward facing your goal. Flint and to a certain extent Morrison get caught out like this frequently, they win the aerial duel but are then caught flat footed when the ball is moved quickly forward by the opposing player who’s picked the loose ball up. An opposing coach’s dream, especially if he’s got a decent midfield, our centre backs are in effect starting an attack against us. Christ, I’m also saying our midfield isn’t up to it here as well as they aren’t making themselves available from clearances.......perhaps the best clearance would be the one of personnel.
Bobby Dandruff
16-01-20, 16:50
It’s all very well being good in the air but directing the ball that’s won in the air is pretty vital. Just winning it isn’t enough at this level, well at any level really, heading it aimlessly forward normally results in the ball being picked up by opposing midfielders who are coming forward facing your goal. Flint and to a certain extent Morrison get caught out like this frequently, they win the aerial duel but are then caught flat footed when the ball is moved quickly forward by the opposing player who’s picked the loose ball up. An opposing coach’s dream, especially if he’s got a decent midfield, our centre backs are in effect starting an attack against us. Christ, I’m also saying our midfield isn’t up to it here as well as they aren’t making themselves available from clearances.......perhaps the best clearance would be the one of personnel.
But that would be way too straight forward 😂😂
dembethewarrior
16-01-20, 17:43
It’s all very well being good in the air but directing the ball that’s won in the air is pretty vital. Just winning it isn’t enough at this level, well at any level really, heading it aimlessly forward normally results in the ball being picked up by opposing midfielders who are coming forward facing your goal. Flint and to a certain extent Morrison get caught out like this frequently, they win the aerial duel but are then caught flat footed when the ball is moved quickly forward by the opposing player who’s picked the loose ball up. An opposing coach’s dream, especially if he’s got a decent midfield, our centre backs are in effect starting an attack against us. Christ, I’m also saying our midfield isn’t up to it here as well as they aren’t making themselves available from clearances.......perhaps the best clearance would be the one of personnel.
Agree about the headed clearances, they're random. Also nobody there to pick them up if they did have some aim on them.
The midfield needs to protect the defence it gets walked through at times making it that much harder for the defenders, but yeah you are also spot in with your assessment of the defenders, it needs to get better, but they still need better protecting as well.
Agree about the headed clearances, they're random. Also nobody there to pick them up if they did have some aim on them.
The midfield needs to protect the defence it gets walked through at times making it that much harder for the defenders, but yeah you are also spot in with your assessment of the defenders, it needs to get better, but they still need better protecting as well.
We're shit with the second ball, and even when we do anticipate the clearance it can take our midfield three touches before the ball is under control. There's a severe lack of cohesiveness in our team. I don't think that Harris knows what he's doing, i've been quite concerned over some of our displays. I don't care that he hasn't had a transfer window or two, by now it should be evident what he is trying to implement on the field. I can honestly say that i haven't got a clue.
Jimmy the Jock
16-01-20, 18:06
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
I commented on the commentary . It was savage....I didn't see the game , you wont find me being negative about him anywhere else.
I have already stated this message board isn't the place for current Cardiff City football players.
I commented on the commentary . It was savage....I didn't see the game , you wont find me being negative about him anywhere else.
I have already stated this message board isn't the place for current Cardiff City football players.
I think that the criticism has generally been thought out, it's not personal. You can counter it and say what he does well or why he should be included in the starting 11.
I think that the criticism has generally been thought out, it's not personal. You can counter it and say what he does well or why he should be included in the starting 11.
Having watched the game highlights and goals I do have some sympathy as a Bamba was nowhere to be seen on many of the highlights where we are defending. However, he is one of the “liked” players so does not come in for much criticism.
I thinkFlint is a good back up should Morrisson or Nelson become injured.
He would be my replacement before a Bamba every time.
dembethewarrior
16-01-20, 18:28
Having watched the game highlights and goals I do have some sympathy as a Bamba was nowhere to be seen on many of the highlights where we are defending. However, he is one of the “liked” players so does not come in for much criticism.
I thinkFlint is a good back up should Morrisson or Nelson become injured.
He would be my replacement before a Bamba every time.
Thought you were at the game or had a working live stream the way you commented about coxe.
Having watched the game highlights and goals I do have some sympathy as a Bamba was nowhere to be seen on many of the highlights where we are defending. However, he is one of the “liked” players so does not come in for much criticism.
I thinkFlint is a good back up should Morrisson or Nelson become injured.
He would be my replacement before a Bamba every time.
On the first goal i don't know what Flint was doing, wrong side of the carlisle player, he didn't make things difficult for him then a midfield player wasn't picking up the guy who scored, second one was richards getting done and Coxe ball watching, third goal the whole team switched off.
Jimmy the Jock
16-01-20, 20:33
I think that the criticism has generally been thought out, it's not personal. You can counter it and say what he does well or why he should be included in the starting 11.
Fair comment .
He is one of those players who doesnt catch my eye , either positively or negatively .
The commentators were savage , to the point ,I wondered how bad was he?
I dont tend to write a player off after a couple of games , I always hope they will improve and be an asset to the team .
I may be wrong but weren't you quite critical of Coxe last week ? To me that is shocking , I saw him charging up and down the wing in the second half and got hauled off when he was being a positive force on the game, that was poor management , Harris took the wind out of our sails.
I had £50 on us at 4-1 at half time , Harris went down in my estimation :hehe:
Morrison recently came back from injury and he was shocking , I thought it would be a while before we saw him again . He played next game, he was fantastic and has been very good since.
Most of the comments on here regards our players are knee jerk , heroes one week , duds the next . Truth is, its a right few games before we should be slating players .
Unless, of course, we are judging Tomlin who is a genius at this level.
I am not blind enough to see he lost the ball a couple of times against Swansea that cost our defense a problem , still he is a genius in my eyes .
Thought you were at the game or had a working live stream the way you commented about coxe.
I did have radio commentary and they were extremely critical of both a City fullbacks, particularly Coxe.
If you check previous posts I have been very supportive of giving Coxe a chance but in both games against a Carlisle he has missed the chance to claim a spot.
Don Corleone
16-01-20, 20:47
We're shit with the second ball, and even when we do anticipate the clearance it can take our midfield three touches before the ball is under control. There's a severe lack of cohesiveness in our team. I don't think that Harris knows what he's doing, i've been quite concerned over some of our displays. I don't care that he hasn't had a transfer window or two, by now it should be evident what he is trying to implement on the field. I can honestly say that i haven't got a clue.
This is a big difference to the year we got promoted, then we seemed to win every 2nd ball so a headed clearance became a chance to push forward whereas you’re right, this season a headed clearance is a chance for the opposition to attack. The midfield have a lot to answer for, it will improve with Joe Ralls fit again
mazadona10
16-01-20, 20:48
Slow centre backs always are an easy target because if u stick a quick player behind and give them space theres little that can be done.
However it rarely happens in a game where its 1 ball into 40 yards of space.
Flint can do somethings well.others not so.
Some people are never going to be happy with him as want a different styld of football but he has a track record of being competent at this level.
dembethewarrior
16-01-20, 20:56
I did have radio commentary and they were extremely critical of both a City fullbacks, particularly Coxe.
If you check previous posts I have been very supportive of giving Coxe a chance but in both games against a Carlisle he has missed the chance to claim a spot.
Think a few of us have, but my point was you're better off judging with your own eyes and not taking the word if the commentators.
Slow centre backs always are an easy target because if u stick a quick player behind and give them space theres little that can be done.
However it rarely happens in a game where its 1 ball into 40 yards of space.
Flint can do somethings well.others not so.
Some people are never going to be happy with him as want a different styld of football but he has a track record of being competent at this level.
He's not as bad as some are making him out to be in my opinion, it's his style and demeanour that singles him out on occasion. He does have deficiencies, as have been raised in other posts, but with a player like flint and to a lesser extent Morrison, you can't leave them exposed, the fullbacks need to tuck in and help them. Bennett has improved over the past couple of games but i think it's fair to say that he's been terrible this season and hasn't helped Flint out when needed.
Think a few of us have, but my point was you're better off judging with your own eyes and not taking the word if the commentators.
True enough but I also threw in a few facts.
One of the worst sides in division 2, who have failed to average a goal a game, managed 5 goals (and a missed penalty) against us over 2 games. I did see the home game and Coxe disappointed.
Then commentators were saying that our full backs were getting “skinned” by their Carlisle attackers, then Harris subbed Coxe.
I am afraid I didn’t really need to be there to make a valid comment.
dembethewarrior
17-01-20, 11:38
True enough but I also threw in a few facts.
One of the worst sides in division 2, who have failed to average a goal a game, managed 5 goals (and a missed penalty) against us over 2 games. I did see the home game and Coxe disappointed.
Then commentators were saying that our full backs were getting “skinned” by their Carlisle attackers, then Harris subbed Coxe.
I am afraid I didn’t really need to be there to make a valid comment.
Seemed ok on the extended highlights to me first game.
Slow centre backs always are an easy target because if u stick a quick player behind and give them space theres little that can be done.
However it rarely happens in a game where its 1 ball into 40 yards of space.
Flint can do somethings well.others not so.
Some people are never going to be happy with him as want a different styld of football but he has a track record of being competent at this level.
I remember the same thing happened with Mark Hudson.
We had Roger Johnson and Glenn Loovens, two of our finest CH's in recent times IMHO, preceding him and he took some terrible flak.
After a period of time people warmed to him as although he was different compared to the previous two, perhaps not as quick and mobile, he had other attributes (his reading of the game and leadership).
Hudson was no spring chicken when he joined us either, a similar age to Flint.
Maybe Flint's best is to come?
dembethewarrior
17-01-20, 14:09
I remember the same thing happened with Mark Hudson.
We had Roger Johnson and Glenn Loovens, two of our finest CH's in recent times IMHO, preceding him and he took some terrible flak.
After a period of time people warmed to him as although he was different compared to the previous two, perhaps not as quick and mobile, he had other attributes (his reading of the game and leadership).
Hudson was no spring chicken when he joined us either, a similar age to Flint.
Maybe Flint's best is to come?
It's good to be positive but that's some top too wishful thinking, I don't think he's going to grow any faster overnight and I don't think he will suddenly get the sharpness that would stop him being turned by faster players when they at the ball around him.
He's definitely takes some stick on here (guilty) that may seem unfair but I don't think it's ever got personal, just simply pointing out his flaws, which will always be a part of his game.
Not sure why people (in general) get so precious over fans having an opinion on a player.
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